How do people trust and believe in religion?

[LowTierBateman]

notice how u first said nobody would back you up on a religion you made up, which was what you used as a sign for authenticity of a religion, but suddenly you switched the goalpost? Classic nigger tactics.

?both are saying the same thing

"Nobody" as in no large amount of people

12 people is not a large amount of people

 

[subtierjester]

Yes, there were historians in the time of Jesus who confirmed that these people did indeed claim to see Jesus resurrected

Nearly every historian even the skeptical ones believe that Jesus’ followers genuinely believed they saw him alive after his death

I will look into it more, thanks for answering

 

[LowTierBateman]

Actually those two that he mentioned are insanely famous incidents where a person managed to manipulate many others into suicide bcuz of the made up religion

If you ask 100 people you see how many will say they know about that

 

[Throw_Away]

?both are saying the same thing

"Nobody" as in no large amount of people

12 people is not a large amount of people

So by your logic Christianity was false until millions of people started believing it? When there were 12 disciples it was an invalid religion, but when more people started believing in it, suddenly it became an authentic and real one? Mirin IQ

 

[accinr]

When you're a child, you get indoctrinated with crap/ you get programmed to follow a book. Don't ask any further questions, just believe without having any proof.
"God can you answer me?"
.........
nope, nothing.
Supposedly created the whole fucking world in 7 days, but is unable to fucking answer.
"oh muh God moves in mysterious ways" cope.
That's all they got.

agreed always a cope out jfl at me for ever forcing myself to ever believe this crap i hate it so much

 

[subtierjester]

If you ask 100 people you see how many will say they know about that

Depends where, those two happend in america and if you were to ask people of age there surely atleast half would know, its not something noone has heard of

 

[Throw_Away]

I will look into it more, thanks for answering

By the way, the account for jesus' resurrection is often cited by Christians as "500 people saw him resurrect bro!", but it's actually ONE guy claiming 500 people saw him resurrect, making the claim even less defensible in all ways

 

[LowTierBateman]

So by your logic Christianity was false until millions of people started believing it? When there were 12 disciples it was an invalid religion, but when more people started believing in it, suddenly it became an authentic and real one? Mirin IQ

I cant prove jesus was raised from the dead and u cant disprove it so it was never a false religion millions wouldnt believe for so long if it was fake

 

[LowTierBateman]

Depends where, those two happend in america and if you were to ask people of age there surely atleast half would know, its not something noone has heard of

Maybe 10 max will say yes

 

[Throw_Away]

I cant prove jesus was raised from the dead and u cant disprove it so it was never a false religion millions wouldnt believe for so long if it was fake

Millions of people believe that if you just take cold showers and become confident, you will start picking up girls, billions even maybe, does this make the fact true? Are you on fucking .org or xitter bro?

 

[subtierjester]

I cant prove jesus was raised from the dead and u cant disprove it so it was never a false religion millions wouldnt believe for so long if it was fake

Youre basically saying its real and before you said noone can tell if its real or fake, youre contradicting yourself

 

[subtierjester]

Maybe 10 max will say yes

Definetly not, just because you dont know about something doesnt mean others dont know aswell, there are thousands of articles about those and similiar incidents on the internet

 

[LowTierBateman]

Youre basically saying its real and before you said noone can tell if its real or fake, youre contradicting yourself

Im saying people believe its real

Ive never said its real or fake u obv cant say if it is or not

 

[LowTierBateman]

Definetly not, just because you dont know about something doesnt mean others dont know aswell, there are thousands of articles about those and similiar incidents on the internet

Theres also thousands of articles on jaden ivey but not everyone knows about him

 

[subtierjester]

Im saying people believe its real

Ive never said its real or fake u obv cant say if it is or not

You said they wouldnt believe it if it was fake, but they do believe in it so youre saying theyre believing in something thats true and real

 

[KD6Imp33]

I cant prove jesus was raised from the dead and u cant disprove it so it was never a false religion millions wouldnt believe for so long if it was fake

If that would be true, God would have sent 1 of these people who raise from the dead every couple of years, to keep the proof alive and not let it sink into doubtfulness.

 

[subtierjester]

Theres also thousands of articles on jaden ivey but not everyone knows about him

Youre simply wrong, those were not some niche incidents people from all over the world know it

 

[LowTierBateman]

You said they wouldnt believe it if it was fake, but they do believe in it so youre saying theyre believing in something thats true and real

I said millions through history for so long wouldnt believe if it wasnt somewhat real

 

[User28823]

its just cope

they cant rationalize non existence

so there must be 'something' after

 

[LowTierBateman]

If that would be true, God would have sent 1 of these people who raise from the dead every couple of years, to keep the proof alive and not let it sink into doubtfulness.

What bro

 

[Lyndon]

How are some of you so religious? How can you trust something theres no proof about? Ive always felt like religions are just cults made up on fake stories and twisting history. I mean maybe you could fool people 2 thousand years ago about something but i dont see how its possible today? Prove me otherwise.

I mean it depends on what you count as "proof" and if you take metaphysics as a tool to make arguments about "x" things
I'm not going to write a full essay on it but basically it would be something like this. Basically the following scheme would work like
"We have x system → that system helps us to build arguments in favor of y"

• Metaphysics → God exists
• Philosophy → God is unique, intelligent, truthful, relational
• Philosophy of religion and modal logic → revelation is possible
• Historical signs and internal coherence... etc→ revelation is credible
• Faith → acceptance of revealed content
• Dogma → the Trinity as revealed truth
• Theology → conceptual explanation of the Trinity
  
  (This one would be in the case of Christianity and viceversa)

 

[subtierjester]

I said millions through history for so long wouldnt believe if it wasnt somewhat real

Big difference between real and somewhat real ( you didnt say somewhat real), jesus was on earth so that part makes it somewhat real but idk about miracles

 

[LowTierBateman]

Big difference between real and somewhat real ( you didnt say somewhat real), jesus was on earth so that part makes it somewhat real but idk about miracles

No fuck thats the whole point

"Idk about miracles" nobody does thats what im saying

 

[subtierjester]

its just cope

they cant rationalize non existence

so there must be 'something' after

Exactly, but once people are told it will be like the same thing before you were born (nothing) they always say that youre crazy

 

[khazarianmafia73]

if gods not real who created everything

 

[subtierjester]

No fuck thats the whole point

"Idk about miracles" nobody does thats what im saying

I was mainly talking about your inability to write consecutive logical sentences, which you didnt do, you managed to contradict yourself three times in five replys

 

[Throw_Away]

If that would be true, God would have sent 1 of these people who raise from the dead every couple of years, to keep the proof alive and not let it sink into doubtfulness.

Lucifer revolted against God, even though he shouldn't have had free will due to being an angel AND he knew God existed for a FACT, which means that there's literally zero point to God not revealing himself to humanity, because people could still just choose to not follow his ways despite knowing he is real, making the free will defense for this shit irrelevant

 

[LowTierBateman]

I was mainly talking about your inability to write consecutive logical sentences, which you didnt do, you managed to contradict yourself three times in five replys

Im not good with words but ive been meaning to say the same shit

 

[subtierjester]

if gods not real who created everything

Biology maybe, not saying that it is

 

[Lyndon]

its just cope

they cant rationalize non existence

so there must be 'something' after

I would say existence is more rational than non existence
I think there are greater arguments in favor of existence
What we would argue is that the "mode" of existence changes

 

[subtierjester]

Im not good with words but ive been meaning to say the same shit

No problem

 

[subtierjester]

I would say existence is more rational than non existence
I think there are greater arguments in favor of existence
What we would argue is that the "mode" of existence changes

Could you explain the mode thing further

 

[khazarianmafia73]

Biology maybe, not saying that it is

who created the processes behind biology?

 

[subtierjester]

who created the processes behind biology?

Why do we believe that theres a creator behind?

 

[fazehamster]

How are some of you so religious? How can you trust something theres no proof about? Ive always felt like religions are just cults made up on fake stories and twisting history. I mean maybe you could fool people 2 thousand years ago about something but i dont see how it’s possible today? Prove me otherwise.

2000 years ago people were fooled by religion now people are fooled by the jews and there’s people like u still stuck on the meaningless past of religion thinking you’ve discovered for not believing in it and living how live would be normally lived anyway you’re distracted from the current world

 

[khazarianmafia73]

Why do we believe that theres a creator behind?

Everything comes from something before it. When you were born you don’t just pop up, you were biologically made by your parents

 

[subtierjester]

2000 years ago people were fooled by religion now people are fooled by the jews and there’s people like u still stuck on the meaningless past of religion thinking you’ve discovered for not believing in it and living how live would be normally lived anyway you’re distracted from the current world

im not stuck, i just want to see whats others opinion on it

 

[khazarianmafia73]

2000 years ago people were fooled by religion now people are fooled by the jews and there’s people like u still stuck on the meaningless past of religion thinking you’ve discovered for not believing in it and living how live would be normally lived anyway you’re distracted from the current world

meaningless evendoe it was at the core of western civilization, culture, and development for a millennia

 

[subtierjester]

Everything comes from something before it. When you were born you don’t just pop up, you were biologically made by your parents

Why couldnt we say there just “was” something at the start

 

[subtierjester]

meaningless evendoe it was at the core of western civilization, culture, and development for a millennia

The same people that believed in ghosts and witches

 

[fazehamster]

meaningless evendoe it was at the core of western civilization, culture, and development for a millennia

yes meaningless because it’s not needed now the only thing religion has control over now is law

 

[Lyndon]

Could you explain the mode thing further

It would be something like this, I tried to simplify it so you can get a basic idea
Also there would be the "levels of reality or the being" and viceversa, I would recommend Scotus on that one.

• Actual → exists in reality here and now (e.g., a person).
• Potential → can come into existence (e.g., an unbuilt house).
• Necessary → cannot not exist (e.g., God in classical metaphysics).
• Contingent → exists but could fail to exist (e.g., animals, planets, universe).
• Abstract → exists as a concept or in logic/mind (e.g., numbers).
• Immaterial/Spiritual → exists without matter, according to metaphysical frameworks (e.g., soul, angels).

 

[khazarianmafia73]

yes meaningless because it’s not needed now the only thing religion has control over now is law

for the past 60 years the decline of tradition which was primarily based on religious values has led to mass nihilism, lawlessness, faggotry, and the downfall of civilization. If the people don’t believe in anything they become savages

 

[fazehamster]

for the past 60 years the decline of tradition which was primarily based on religious values has led to mass nihilism, lawlessness, faggotry, and the downfall of civilization. If the people don’t believe in anything they become savages

only if modern society kept. if we were still in tribes would’ve normal. it’s still like that in remote places of the amazon

 

[subtierjester]

It would be something like this, I tried to simplify it so you can get a basic idea
Also there would be the "levels of reality or the being" and viceversa, I would recommend Scotus on that one.

• Actual → exists in reality here and now (e.g., a person).
• Potential → can come into existence (e.g., an unbuilt house).
• Necessary → cannot not exist (e.g., God in classical metaphysics).
• Contingent → exists but could fail to exist (e.g., animals, planets, universe).
• Abstract → exists as a concept or in logic/mind (e.g., numbers).
• Immaterial/Spiritual → exists without matter, according to metaphysical frameworks (e.g., soul, angels).

Interesting, thanks for writing this all out

 

[khazarianmafia73]

The same people that believed in ghosts and witches

satanic pedophiles run the government and sacrifice and eat babies and you’re saying believing in ghosts and witches was irrational

 

[subtierjester]

satanic pedophiles run the government and sacrifice and eat babies and you’re saying believing in ghosts and witches was irrational

Are you saying it wasnt?

 

[gooner23]

If you take drugs to be happy your more of a loser than someone thats religious thats what I say, can say religion is stupid but it keeps people inline and virtuous so it could never be a bad thing even I aint believe in it

 

[khazarianmafia73]

Why couldnt we say there just “was” something at the start

Yeah that “something” was God

 

[subtierjester]

If you take drugs to be happy your more of a loser than someone thats religious thats what I say, can say religion is stupid but it keeps people inline and virtuous so it could never be a bad thing even I aint believe in it

I agree a religious community is better than an unreligious one