How long does it take for AAS to cause some sort of permanent damage to your natural T production?

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How long can one consecutively cycle roids (Test, Tren...) without falling into hypogonadism after PCT?

 

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How long can one consecutively cycle roids (Test, Tren...) without falling into hypogonadism after PCT?

It depends on person dosage and the type of aas but generally really early, earlier than you would expect

 

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It depends on person dosage and the type of aas but generally really early, earlier than you would expect

Yea, I know after starting gear your natural t is suppressed as early as 2 weeks on it, but I mean after finishing your cycle (on the long term). Some guys end up with permanently lower T than their baseline or even on TRT for life.

For example, my gymcel friend blasted tren (200mg) & test (250mg) for over 3 months, then blasted 500mg test right after for lots of weeks as well, then cruised test for multiple months while blasting masterone (and some hCG i believe, forgot if he used it during the cycle). Now he's spamming hCG before starting PCT but I doubt he'll recover decent level of testosterone after almost 12 months of suppression.

On that note, some guys do. Theres a youtuber called BlakeSpeaks i think, he roided for 2 years straight and recovered his Testosterone. But idk, it isn't guaranteed.

 

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Yea, I know after starting gear your natural t is suppressed as early as 2 weeks on it, but I mean after finishing your cycle (on the long term). Some guys end up with permanently lower T than their baseline or even on TRT for life.

For example, my gymcel friend blasted tren (200mg) & test (250mg) for over 3 months, then blasted 500mg test right after for lots of weeks as well, then cruised test for multiple months while blasting masterone (and some hCG i believe, forgot if he used it during the cycle). Now he's spamming hCG before starting PCT but I doubt he'll recover decent level of testosterone after almost 12 months of suppression.

On that note, some guys do. Theres a youtuber called BlakeSpeaks i think, he roided for 2 years straight and recovered his Testosterone. But idk, it isn't guaranteed.

Depends on much stuff but generally you should be able to get back to natural levels with the pharmaceuticals of today that's why many people who do it right come off without problems. Ig the main problem is the compound tren for example bc they suppress the natural gonadial axis way harder and that's why recovering from that is way harder. From test only I assume you could go years with it and if you do it right recover and it should also work with other compounds just makes it a little bit harder. But many advanced people still come off cycle from time to time so maybe after your first 8 to 16week cycle check how your body handles the pct compounds.

 

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Depends on much stuff but generally you should be able to get back to natural levels with the pharmaceuticals of today that's why many people who do it right come off without problems. Ig the main problem is the compound tren for example bc they suppress the natural gonadial axis way harder and that's why recovering from that is way harder. From test only I assume you could go years with it and if you do it right recover and it should also work with other compounds just makes it a little bit harder. But many advanced people still come off cycle from time to time so maybe after your first 8 to 16week cycle check how your body handles the pct compounds.

Got it. A long cycle would need much more aggressive PCT then? hCG beforehand + 8--12 weeks of high dose SERMs + 8--12 weeks of low dose, if test doesn't recover after that then it's ggs. That's why tren cycles aren't as long (most do 12--16 weeks max) as other compounds. I might not run it at all, I want my balls in place.

 

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Got it. A long cycle would need much more aggressive PCT then? hCG beforehand + 8--12 weeks of high dose SERMs + 8--12 weeks of low dose, if test doesn't recover after that then it's ggs. That's why tren cycles aren't as long (most do 12--16 weeks max) as other compounds. I might not run it at all, I want my balls in place.

Yes very high iq answer you acc seem more educated than I am Just avoid tren in your first cycle or if you really want to implement it then really low dose but tren first cycle is kind of retarded.

 

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Yes very high iq answer you acc seem more educated than I am Just avoid tren in your first cycle or if you really want to implement it then really low dose but tren first cycle is kind of retarded.

I only know stuff cuz I spend 90% of my time researching and 10% actually taking action But yea, I won't do tren, I decided I'm not that desperate

 

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I only know stuff cuz I spend 90% of my time researching and 10% actually taking action But yea, I won't do tren, I decided I'm not that desperate

Interesting where do you do your research. I personally use Google scholar and Gemini but Ai only helps really badly