How long should the ramus be in the front profile?

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Here I drew it on some examples. Basically how far down should the ramus end on the face? What’s the most ideal and not too ogre?

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Which is better, ramus ending above or below the mouth?

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below mouth
above mouth means the angle is fucked up, oprys gonial angle is fucked up but his other features are top tier
 
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30cm minimum tbh
 
below mouth
above mouth means the angle is fucked up, oprys gonial angle is fucked up but his other features are top tier
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What about this guy. His ramus is long from the side profile but it still doesn’t pass his mouth
 
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