How long to return to baseline levels after stopping trt without pct

[GatoradeTRZ8]

Been on about 170 mg for 5 months, decided not worth it as its a not high enough boost over my natty levels and blasting would be bad cause my bone age is 16.5

Overall a very dumb decision

I was taking aromasin too and hgh

Now stopped everything

Please only answers from roidheads

And should i just quit taking test or taper down then quit? Or continue trt till old enough to blast

 

[Bryce]

Overall a very dumb decision

At least you admitted it

 

[Yeagerist]

why you stop

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

You’ll be fine. I did 2 month of rad then 2 months of a retarded dbol cycle and got out with it fine. You may have a bit lower energy for like a week or two

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

I would stay on high trt tho if I didnt want to blast. Like 250-375

 

[repulse]

Why u taking test if ur natty levels are high when u don't wanna blast? It also depends on how high ur levels were + how long, u may not be that supressed if u took something to also stimulate LH or FSH during cycle

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

You’ll be fine. I did 2 month of rad then 2 months of a retarded dbol cycle and got out with it fine. You may have a bit lower energy for like a week or two

You took a test base right?

I would stay on high trt tho if I didnt want to blast. Like 250-375

Idk even with lowered e2 by ai I dont know if its safe long term as androgens still accelerate growth plate closure

Maybe the reddit users/old roidheads werd right all along, no ai‘s, no roids, maybe just gh or nothing at all

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

Why u taking test if ur natty levels are high when u don't wanna blast? It also depends on how high ur levels were + how long, u may not be that supressed if u took something to also stimulate LH or FSH during cycle

Was too scared to blast because of the possibility i fuck up any few cm of height growth i got left and brain development

5 months, didnt took anything and dont plan to pct, might taper down then quit, last injection test e was about a week ago

 

[repulse]

Was too scared to blast because of the possibility i fuck up any few cm of height growth i got left and brain development

5 months, didnt took anything and dont plan to pct, might taper down then quit, last injection test e was about a week ago

how tall are you? Some people grew after they took test too so idk

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

You took a test base right?

Idk even with lowered e2 by ai I dont know if its safe long term as androgens still accelerate growth plate closure

Maybe the reddit users/old roidheads werd right all along, no ai‘s, no roids, maybe just gh or nothing at all

Nah I thought dbol was fine as a test base. Which it can but not optimal.

Why would roid accelerate growth plate closure. The only way I can see this ( except E2 obvs ) is the amount of stress put in the body as oxidative stress which would be anyway so negligeable. Tbh you would need to choose between being dimorphic, low inhib and happy or 1/2 cm taller if not less.

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

Was too scared to blast because of the possibility i fuck up any few cm of height growth i got left and brain development

5 months, didnt took anything and dont plan to pct, might taper down then quit, last injection test e was about a week ago

Brain development is cope.

 

[svarddre]

Go see an endocrinologist

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

Nah I thought dbol was fine as a test base. Which it can but not optimal.

Why would roid accelerate growth plate closure. The only way I can see this ( except E2 obvs ) is the amount of stress put in the body as oxidative stress which would be anyway so negligeable. Tbh you would need to choose between being dimorphic, low inhib and happy or 1/2 cm taller if not less.

Did you recover fine? Are you taning something rn? I assume you didnt do labs

Androgens and e2 accelerate growth plate closure, of course e2 plays a much bigger part but androgens also accelerate them

And yeah at the end with my bone age i will grow max 3-4 cm (probably 2cm) either way. Test would may add or take 1-2cm, no idea. But defenitely not safe for brain developement if you play around with your body like that, except hgh which shouldnt cause any issues if you dont have cancer.

 

[repulse]

Did you recover fine? Are you taning something rn? I assume you didnt do labs

Androgens and e2 accelerate growth plate closure, of course e2 plays a much bigger part but androgens also accelerate them

And yeah at the end with my bone age i will grow max 3-4 cm (probably 2cm) either way. Test would may add or take 1-2cm, no idea. But defenitely not safe for brain developement if you play around with your body like that, except hgh which shouldnt cause any issues if you dont have cancer.

does ur age match with ur bone age?

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

does ur age match with ur bone age?

No, my bone age is younger
I did a xray

 

[GigaAryenMaxxer]

Did you recover fine? Are you taning something rn? I assume you didnt do labs

Androgens and e2 accelerate growth plate closure, of course e2 plays a much bigger part but androgens also accelerate them

And yeah at the end with my bone age i will grow max 3-4 cm (probably 2cm) either way. Test would may add or take 1-2cm, no idea. But defenitely not safe for brain developement if you play around with your body like that, except hgh which shouldnt cause any issues if you dont have cancer.

yes I did recover fine, not much mental side of stopping except sexdrive and I lost the inflated look dbol gave me. Test alone at low to medium dosage is safe for brain, id guess other compound such as all the nandrolones derivatives arent tho.

 

[m0glit3]

Been on about 170 mg for 5 months, decided not worth it as its a not high enough boost over my natty levels and blasting would be bad cause my bone age is 16.5

Overall a very dumb decision

I was taking aromasin too and hgh

Now stopped everything

Please only answers from roidheads

And should i just quit taking test or taper down then quit? Or continue trt till old enough to blast

You should do just fine tbh, without doing a pct expect a minimum of 6 months of recovery to be realistic, I also did a experiment with test and im taking 425mg and going on 3-4 months.

But i feel as if I need more then 3 months of test in my system to see progress and ill prob cap out at 450mg.

 

[aids]

Your bone age is 16.5, implying that you're around that age.
Why the fuck would you take basically what is a TRT dose at ~16.5yo?
"just suppress hpta for slightly above par test levels" theory.
Your HPTA will recover without PCT, yes, but I don't know why you wouldn't just stay on whilst you run HCG, then hop off and take Enclo to recover.

 

[aids]

Actually read your post.

Been on about 170 mg for 5 months, decided not worth it as its a not high enough boost over my natty levels and blasting would be bad cause my bone age is 16.5

Overall a very dumb decision

Good you realised.

I was taking aromasin too and hgh

Ok.

Now stopped everything

Ok.

Please only answers from roidheads

And should i just quit taking test or taper down then quit? Or continue trt till old enough to blast

Don't taper, run the same dose and supplement with HCG.
You don't need Aromasin at your dosage. You also shouldn't be running a steroidal AI if your goal is height, which I'm assuming is the goal given your reference to your bone age and usage of HGH.
Then take Enclo for a month and you'll be close to baseline. Next time don't jump into this shit like a retard. Glad you realised though.

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

Your bone age is 16.5, implying that you're around that age.
Why the fuck would you take basically what is a TRT dose at ~16.5yo?
"just suppress hpta for slightly above par test levels" theory.
Your HPTA will recover without PCT, yes, but I don't know why you wouldn't just stay on whilst you run HCG, then hop off and take Enclo to recover.

Im older but i was a very late bloomer
The xray i took said 16.5-17 bone age
So one year growth left (~2cm i guess)

Actually read your post.

Good you realised.


Ok.


Ok.


Don't taper, run the same dose and supplement with HCG.
You don't need Aromasin at your dosage. You also shouldn't be running a steroidal AI if your goal is height, which I'm assuming is the goal given your reference to your bone age and usage of HGH.
Then take Enclo for a month and you'll be close to baseline. Next time don't jump into this shit like a retard. Glad you realised though.

Some old roidhead on a Bodybuilding forum said pct can fuck me up since im young. Also seems like not worth the risk as it increases e2 and the recovery will be basically the same only a bit longer.
Yeah I wasnt thinking, it really was retarded. And what do you mean with I shouldnt run an ai for height? As it helps for height by delaying growth plate closure. But dont know if one or two extra cm is worth the side effects of using ai especially for Brain Development. Right now i dont take anything, even stopped hgh.

I will take hgh again but probably without any ai.

Also i just quit cold turkey without pct, do you think I should have tapered down my testo dose then quit? And would you advise taking ai along hgh if I take hgh again?

I will start hgh again, but dont know if it will be effective in the recovery phase after dropping test, zero anabolism in my body so I dont know if it makes sense to take hgh before I start producing test naturally, but probably no harm in doing so.

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

I hope working at my job will be fun with 0 test lol

 

[Will_381231]

no offense but this is a really fucking stupid choice. starting test at 16 is a smart choice, doing 170mg is a dumbass choice, stopping is even dumber. its crucial you have testosterone and dht during your prime time to develop. get on 300-400mg asap.

I read that you said androgens accelerate growth plate closure but thats no really true. TESTOSTERONE WILL NOT CLOSE YOUR PLATES AS LONG AS YOU KEEP ESTROGEN LOW, the only teenagers stunting their growth with gear are the dumbasses that hop on with no AI/ do an oral only cycle with no ai or even test base

 

[Will_381231]

Brain development is cope.

"but saaaaar you're messing up going on an AI at teenage years estrogen is responsible for brain development" i dont give a fuck. iq doesn't matter when you're a boneless manlet

 

[GatoradeTRZ8]

no offense but this is a really fucking stupid choice. starting test at 16 is a smart choice, doing 170mg is a dumbass choice, stopping is even dumber. its crucial you have testosterone and dht during your prime time to develop. get on 300-400mg asap.

I read that you said androgens accelerate growth plate closure but thats no really true. TESTOSTERONE WILL NOT CLOSE YOUR PLATES AS LONG AS YOU KEEP ESTROGEN LOW, the only teenagers stunting their growth with gear are the dumbasses that hop on with no AI/ do an oral only cycle with no ai or even test base

Wait till you learn that e2 is not the only thing that contributes to growth plate closure
Androgens do too and 300-400mg is androgenic asf

"but saaaaar you're messing up going on an AI at teenage years estrogen is responsible for brain development" i dont give a fuck. iq doesn't matter when you're a boneless manlet

Test wont change your face noticeably, its all genetics. Look at jay cutler hes been blasting since hes 19 and still the same face. If any changes happen it wont be major.

Me myself after 6 months hgh and 5 months test e at 170mg (about 50% extra boost compared to my natty levels) my zygos got wider, looks better now, but really no one beside me would notice it, its not a big difference. And hgh fucked up my side profile with downgrowth so wasnt worth it.

And i dont know if its really worth gaining 1-2cm of height because you used ai at the cost of being less smart

 

[repulse]

No, my bone age is younger
I did a xray

so how old are you then

 

[repulse]

Wait till you learn that e2 is not the only thing that contributes to growth plate closure
Androgens do too and 300-400mg is androgenic asf


Test wont change your face noticeably, its all genetics. Look at jay cutler hes been blasting since hes 19 and still the same face. If any changes happen it wont be major.

Me myself after 6 months hgh and 5 months test e at 170mg (about 50% extra boost compared to my natty levels) my zygos got wider, looks better now, but really no one beside me would notice it, its not a big difference. And hgh fucked up my side profile with downgrowth so wasnt worth it.

And i dont know if its really worth gaining 1-2cm of height because you used ai at the cost of being less smart

It depends u can gain bones during puberty if u take Test and a DHT derivatives and maybe HGH

 

[Will_381231]

Wait till you learn that e2 is not the only thing that contributes to growth plate closure
Androgens do too and 300-400mg is androgenic asf


Test wont change your face noticeably, its all genetics. Look at jay cutler hes been blasting since hes 19 and still the same face. If any changes happen it wont be major.

Me myself after 6 months hgh and 5 months test e at 170mg (about 50% extra boost compared to my natty levels) my zygos got wider, looks better now, but really no one beside me would notice it, its not a big difference. And hgh fucked up my side profile with downgrowth so wasnt worth it.

And i dont know if its really worth gaining 1-2cm of height because you used ai at the cost of being less smart

i responded to your previous thread. you seem to be pretty low IQ so i will not be taking advice from you. im guessing you just asked chatgpt about androgens speeding up growth plate closure because thats not accurate. look into the actual data, the main thing that closes growth plates is estrogen, if that is controlled you will not close your plates.

 

[Deleted member 110398]

Been on about 170 mg for 5 months, decided not worth it as its a not high enough boost over my natty levels and blasting would be bad cause my bone age is 16.5

Overall a very dumb decision

I was taking aromasin too and hgh

Now stopped everything

Please only answers from roidheads

And should i just quit taking test or taper down then quit? Or continue trt till old enough to blast

You need to transition boy

 

[aids]

Im older but i was a very late bloomer
The xray i took said 16.5-17 bone age
So one year growth left (~2cm i guess)



Some old roidhead on a Bodybuilding forum said pct can fuck me up since im young. Also seems like not worth the risk as it increases e2 and the recovery will be basically the same only a bit longer.

Old roidheads are notorious for their bro science and resistance to acknowledging any new information if it comes from another source because it tarnishes their ego and they have the "if it aint broke dont fix it" mentality despite their understandings hanging on by threads.

Yeah I wasnt thinking, it really was retarded. And what do you mean with I shouldnt run an ai for height? As it helps for height by delaying growth plate closure. But dont know if one or two extra cm is worth the side effects of using ai especially for Brain Development. Right now i dont take anything, even stopped hgh.

I said specifically steroidal AI. Not AI.
If you're already off and don't feel like absolute shit then stay off. If you've only been off for a few days, then you probably aren't feeling the effects of low test yet given I'm assuming you used test e specifically. Even with test p, you wouldn't feel like shit after only a few days.
I would hop back on, and buy PCT, then follow the protocol I specified to cycle off.

I will take hgh again but probably without any ai.

See previous reply for my opinion on this.

Also i just quit cold turkey without pct, do you think I should have tapered down my testo dose then quit?

I already answered this question cunt. Don't make me repeat myself; read what I said.

And would you advise taking ai along hgh if I take hgh again?

It depends on what you want to take HGH for dude. You obviously don't need an AI in conjunction with HGH but if you want to prolong the time you have to grow taller, yes, you can take a non-steroidal AI.

I will start hgh again, but dont know if it will be effective in the recovery phase after dropping test, zero anabolism in my body so I dont know if it makes sense to take hgh before I start producing test naturally, but probably no harm in doing so.

How about you don't be a fucking retard and go gung-ho into a new stack, and instead get yourself back to baseline?

 

[aids]

i responded to your previous thread. you seem to be pretty low IQ so i will not be taking advice from you. im guessing you just asked chatgpt about androgens speeding up growth plate closure because thats not accurate. look into the actual data, the main thing that closes growth plates is estrogen, if that is controlled you will not close your plates.

You're both low IQ because you're both wrong at different things.
Gear won't increase/alter facial development beyond what you are already genetically predetermined, to any noticeable extent. OP is right in that regard.
But don't know where the fuck the consensus that androgens (???) affecting epiphyseal plate closure, came from. Only way I could interpret that is certain orals (AAS) are going to aromatise into E2 which is responsible for growth plate closure.

 

[Will_381231]

You're both low IQ because you're both wrong at different things.
Gear won't increase/alter facial development beyond what you are already genetically predetermined, to any noticeable extent. OP is right in that regard.
But don't know where the fuck the consensus that androgens (???) affecting epiphyseal plate closure, came from. Only way I could interpret that is certain orals (AAS) are going to aromatise into E2 which is responsible for growth plate closure.

"increasing the hormones responsible for masculinizing you will not result in any more masculinized features" fucking retard

 

[aids]

"increasing the hormones responsible for masculinizing you will not result in any more masculinized features" fucking retard

Hahahaha, good stuff, you can make assumptions. Unfortunately you're wrong. You'll realise eventually, brainlet.
Any tangible change will stem from usage pre-puberty in which it's retarded to take AAS anyway.

 

[Will_381231]

Hahahaha, good stuff, you can make assumptions. Unfortunately you're wrong. You'll realise eventually, brainlet.
Any tangible change will stem from usage pre-puberty in which it's retarded to take AAS anyway.

please explain to me how im wrong. and dont you fucking dare ask for any studies. of course they are no studies giving perfectly healthy non-hypogonadal teenagers exogenous testosterone. its basic fucking logic

 

[aids]

please explain to me how im wrong. and dont you fucking dare ask for any studies. of course they are no studies giving perfectly healthy non-hypogonadal teenagers exogenous testosterone. its basic fucking logic

Then show me a valid anecdote.
You can't.

Edit: Hypogonadal teenagers should theoretically benefit from TRT, to the extent that they see facial masculinisation, regardless. So the fact you can't provide literature for that either implies something.
Either way, you can't find an anecdote. And you haven't made reference to my comment:
"Any tangible change will stem from usage pre-puberty in which it's retarded to take AAS anyway."

 

[Will_381231]

Hahahaha, good stuff, you can make assumptions. Unfortunately you're wrong. You'll realise eventually, brainlet.
Any tangible change will stem from usage pre-puberty in which it's retarded to take AAS anyway.

literally just look at any case of tranny's using exogenous testosterone, see how it affects their face. were they genetically predetermined to look like a man? no, hormones play a role. anyone who says otherwise is a fucking retard

 

[Will_381231]

Then show me a valid anecdote.
You can't.

Edit: Hypogonadal teenagers should theoretically benefit from TRT, to the extent that they see facial masculinisation, regardless. So the fact you can't provide literature for that either implies something.
Either way, you can't find an anecdote. And you haven't made reference to my comment:
"Any tangible change will stem from usage pre-puberty in which it's retarded to take AAS anyway."

i just explained why i cant provide studies you fuck tard. I can't believe there are people stupid enough to come on this forum and say "gear during puberty wont change your face"

 

[aids]

i just explained why i cant provide studies you fuck tard. I can't believe there are people stupid enough to come on this forum and say "gear during puberty wont change your face"

An anecdote is not a study, good job showing that you are a brainlet that doesn't know the difference between the two.
Testosterone or any other exogenous hormone for that matter, is not going to lead to some miraculous change in bone volume beyond what you would be genetically predetermined to have reached, unless that intervention had occurred pre-puberty, as I mentioned.
Any change in a transgender person's appearance stems from hypertrophy of muscles in their face, not a change to the volume of their bones.
If you can't provide a reasonable anecdote, which you can't, because you are wrong, then reasonably explain to me the pharmacodynamics of your assumptions. Do not misconstrue bone volume with bone density.
Either way, you've proven yourself to be an absolute fucking retard to not understand the difference between anecdotes and clinical literature, so anything you say beyond this should be taken with a grain of salt. Probably won't acknowledge you further.

 

[Will_381231]

An anecdote is not a study, good job showing that you are a brainlet that doesn't know the difference between the two.
Testosterone or any other exogenous hormone for that matter, is not going to lead to some miraculous change in bone volume beyond what you would be genetically predetermined to have reached, unless that intervention had occurred pre-puberty, as I mentioned.
Any change in a transgender person's appearance stems from hypertrophy of muscles in their face, not a change to the volume of their bones.
If you can't provide a reasonable anecdote, which you can't, because you are wrong, then reasonably explain to me the pharmacodynamics of your assumptions. Do not misconstrue bone volume with bone density.
Either way, you've proven yourself to be an absolute fucking retard to not understand the difference between anecdotes and clinical literature, so anything you say beyond this should be taken with a grain of salt. Probably won't acknowledge you further.

you wont acknowledge me because you know im right. what a fucking retard. "An anecdote is not a study" when the fuck did I bring up either of those?

i didnt say gear is going to make you a fucking chad orge, but saying it wont make a difference WHEN USED DURING PUBERTY is just fucking wrong.

 

[aids]

you wont acknowledge me because you know im right. what a fucking retard. "An anecdote is not a study" when the fuck did I bring up either of those?

Then show me a valid anecdote.
You can't.

Edit: Hypogonadal teenagers should theoretically benefit from TRT, to the extent that they see facial masculinisation, regardless. So the fact you can't provide literature for that either implies something.
Either way, you can't find an anecdote. And you haven't made reference to my comment:
"Any tangible change will stem from usage pre-puberty in which it's retarded to take AAS anyway."

i just explained why i cant provide studies you fuck tard. I can't believe there are people stupid enough to come on this forum and say "gear during puberty wont change your face"

Here, I didn't ask for a study at any point of my reply.
But still you say "i just explained why i cant provide studies you fuck tard."
Hahahaha, you're retarded and blind. Must suck to just be genetically inferior in every aspect.

i didnt say gear is going to make you a fucking chad orge, but saying it wont make a difference WHEN USED DURING PUBERTY is just fucking wrong.

During puberty can be 10 and it can be 16 fucktard, be more specific.
If the former, obviously it will yield changes to your face. But no reasonable 10yo is taking exogenous hormones, the argument is in relation to US on this forum specifically of which I'd hope you're 15+, at such a point where it wouldn't yield said changes.
Get a grip, you idiot. You are so moronic. Cage at every reply because you just discredit yourself even further with every new sentence.

 

[Will_381231]

Here, I didn't ask for a study at any point of my reply.
But still you say "i just explained why i cant provide studies you fuck tard."
Hahahaha, you're retarded and blind. Must suck to just be genetically inferior in every aspect.

calling me genetically inferior? how about you post a picture of your face.

clearly genetics didn't help you out with your intelligence, you are a fucking retard

 

[llane9]

Been on about 170 mg for 5 months, decided not worth it as its a not high enough boost over my natty levels and blasting would be bad cause my bone age is 16.5

Overall a very dumb decision

I was taking aromasin too and hgh

Now stopped everything

Please only answers from roidheads

And should i just quit taking test or taper down then quit? Or continue trt till old enough to blast

did you post this on meso too? feel like i read this a few days ago

 

[Will_381231]

Here, I didn't ask for a study at any point of my reply.
But still you say "i just explained why i cant provide studies you fuck tard."
Hahahaha, you're retarded and blind. Must suck to just be genetically inferior in every aspect.



During puberty can be 10 and it can be 16 fucktard, be more specific.
If the former, obviously it will yield changes to your face. But no reasonable 10yo is taking exogenous hormones, the argument is in relation to US on this forum specifically of which I'd hope you're 15+, at such a point where it wouldn't yield said changes.
Get a grip, you idiot. You are so moronic. Cage at every reply because you just discredit yourself even further with every new sentence.

Second to fourth digit ratio and face shape - PMC

The average human male face differs from the average female face in size and shape of the jaws, cheek-bones, lips, eyes and nose. It is possible that this dimorphism is determined by sex steroids such as testosterone (T) and oestrogen (E), and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[aids]

calling me genetically inferior? how about you post a picture of your face.

clearly genetics didn't help you out with your intelligence, you are a fucking retard

Hahahaha cope harder bro.

should i use proviron at 15

i look like a femboy and have 0 bonemass, ill hop on test at like 16 but i cba rn. im short compared to my dad rn (6'2) so i was wondering how height safe it is. I know it doesn't suppress testosterone significantly or at all, and doesn't aromatase either (it may actually reduce estrogen...

looksmax.org

"i look like a femboy and have 0 bonemass"
You are genetically inferior as per your own words.
I'm not going to post a photo of my face because I'm not a retard that would doxx myself for no reason outside of trying to gain credibility in an argument where I am evidently right anyway. You could be diagnosed as clinically retarded if you think I'm in any way unreasonable there.

Also, good stuff NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THE REST OF MY REPLY WHERE I DISCREDIT YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A BRAINLET CUNT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Let's go back to you not knowing the difference between an anecdote and a study
Or anything else I said

should i go with aromasin, letrozole, or arimidex

im starting 400mg testosterone very soon, I already have the needles ordered and i'm just earning a couple hundred more mowing lawns to buy the testosterone vials. one crucial thing so I dont fuck up and keep my plates open is an AI, at first i was looking at aromasin but i dont think its...

looksmax.org

You don't even know what AI to use, you think Aromasin as a steroidal AI isn't powerful and you want to nuke your own E2 into the ground to try and prolong height growth.
Absolute retard, if you had read anything regarding endocrinology or a height protocol, you would know that the only studied AI for height is non-steroidal AI unlike Aromasin.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and you are genetically inferior as per your own threads.
Dig yourself a deeper hole you fucking ugly manlet. I'll laugh in my leather throne.

 

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Second to fourth digit ratio and face shape - PMC

The average human male face differs from the average female face in size and shape of the jaws, cheek-bones, lips, eyes and nose. It is possible that this dimorphism is determined by sex steroids such as testosterone (T) and oestrogen (E), and ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Good job, you can read the abstract from a 1981 study where it is theorised, not proven.
Also makes an explicit reference of a testosterone-to-oestrogen ratio, because low oestrogen relative to testosterone means that closure of epiphyseal plates in the face will occur at a later period relative to a lower ratio.
You are so fucking stupid, you can't even interpret your own literature correctly. I wouldn't even take steroids at this point with how fucking much your IQ is clearly suffering from the other retarded shit you must do cunt

 

[Will_381231]

Dig yourself a deeper hole you fucking ugly manlet. I'll laugh in my leather throne.

fucking nigga nerd. i literally provided a study.

you took the time to look through my whole profile and all my post history, what a fucking looser. keep rotting on this forum. clearly you are genetically inferior because you've been here for a year and have 2000+ posts, if you looked half decent you would leave this place and forget it

 

[Will_381231]

Good job, you can read the abstract from a 1981 study where it is theorised, not proven.
Also makes an explicit reference of a testosterone-to-oestrogen ratio, because low oestrogen relative to testosterone means that closure of epiphyseal plates in the face will occur at a later period relative to a lower ratio.
You are so fucking stupid, you can't even interpret your own literature correctly. I wouldn't even take steroids at this point with how fucking much your IQ is clearly suffering from the other retarded shit you must do cunt

brother do your own research. im not going to waste even more time arguing with you but saying male hormones don't masculinize your face any more especially when used during adolescence is a crazy wrong statement.

 

[Will_381231]

you think Aromasin as a steroidal AI isn't powerful and you want to nuke your own E2 into the ground to try and prolong height growth.

aromasin is quite literally weaker than letrozole and arimidex

 

[aids]

fucking nigga nerd. i literally provided a study.

you took the time to look through my whole profile and all my post history, what a fucking looser. keep rotting on this forum. clearly you are genetically inferior because you've been here for a year and have 2000+ posts, if you looked half decent you would leave this place and forget it

Hahahaha, took less than 30 seconds.
I thought studies didn't exist for this though?
Dumbass doesn't know the difference between the word "thought" versus its absence. Theory versus theorem you brainlet hahahaha We can go back and forth with irrelevant theories all day long. That's all they are, theories.

I have been here for a year and have 2000+ posts, you have been here for 10 days and have 272. Let's look at what is more concerning mate ahahaha I'm caging, your logic is so flawed, in every argument you make, and you can't even see it because you're so fucking stupidddddd hahahahahaha

brother do your own research. im not going to waste even more time arguing with you but saying male hormones don't masculinize your face any more especially when used during adolescence is a crazy wrong statement.

Good stuff, you can also misconstrue my words. I later clarified, put simply, that there would be no noticeable change to bone volume unless taken pre-puberty. "during adolescence" could mean 10 and it could mean 16 as I fucking said, but you still don't provide any explicit age because you think your argument can be cushioned by the fact you could fall back on a claim that you actually meant very early teens, or even pre-teens, when you say "adolescence".

aromasin is quite literally weaker than letrozole and arimidex

Maybe one day your IQ will exceed that of an Indigenous Australian dude. I won't be praying for you though

Won't be replying further because as anybody can see from this thread, you've dug yourself a hole to China with how fucking stupid you are.
Kill yourself. I don't want to see your genetics among my kids.

 

[Will_381231]

Absolute retard, if you had read anything regarding endocrinology or a height protocol, you would know that the only studied AI for height is non-steroidal AI unlike Aromasin.

i have read those studies. just because aromasin hasn't been studied doesn't mean its not effective, there have been studies in males with short stature using letrozole at 1mg per day I think which increased predicted height outcome significantly.

aromasin will do the same thing lmao, just different drugs, same outcome

 

[Will_381231]

Hahahaha, took less than 30 seconds.
I thought studies didn't exist for this though?
Dumbass doesn't know the difference between the word "thought" versus its absence. Theory versus theorem you brainlet hahahaha We can go back and forth with irrelevant theories all day long. That's all they are, theories.

I have been here for a year and have 2000+ posts, you have been here for 10 days and have 272. Let's look at what is more concerning mate ahahaha I'm caging, your logic is so flawed, in every argument you make, and you can't even see it because you're so fucking stupidddddd hahahahahaha


Good stuff, you can also misconstrue my words. I later clarified, put simply, that there would be no noticeable change to bone volume unless taken pre-puberty. "during adolescence" could mean 10 and it could mean 16 as I fucking said, but you still don't provide any explicit age because you think your argument can be cushioned by the fact you could fall back on a claim that you actually meant very early teens, or even pre-teens, when you say "adolescence".


Maybe one day your IQ will exceed that of an Indigenous Australian dude. I won't be praying for you though

Won't be replying further because as anybody can see from this thread, you've dug yourself a hole to China with how fucking stupid you are.
Kill yourself. I don't want to see your genetics among my kids.

lmao you are just insulting me rather than providing any proof. just admit that you are wrong bhai, the average indian is smarter than you.