how much calorie surplus is ideal for a bulk?

[archef]

ive gotten different answers on here some saying dont bulk (because of bloating and whatever else),some said do a minimal surplus.

whats the move

 

[MTMM]

200-300 calorie surplus 1,5-2 g protein per kg 4-7 g carbs per kg

 

[Jesko]

ive gotten different answers on here some saying dont bulk (because of bloating and whatever else),some said do a minimal surplus.

whats the move

2000 extra