How not to grow taller!

[mirrormogger]

Is it rare to be verified?

it was

 

[Fartmaxxing]

There is no risk-free compound. It's only been getting riskier in my opinion, but I'd say something interesting that has come up in my research has been long-acting growth hormone therapies! Have only seen 1 source of it and it's UGL so the true purity will be hard to see but I find it very interesting.

What are the specific compound (s) used for this therapy

 

[AlphaLooksmaxxer666]

good guide

 

[blot]

So how would one raise IGF-1 levels besides administering exogenous HGH/GH inducing peptides? I haven't been able to find a source for Increlex or some other generic rhIGF-1 in Europe

 

[pentamogged9000]

Example #1: Not enough compounds

While I understand this is an extreme example and this person was coming from a place of ignorance (not stupidity), it showcases how often people try to grow taller without the proper foundation, as none of the compounds listed have ever been proven to provide significant height growth unless given to people dealing with malnutrition or serious mineral deficiencies. Almost every week, a stack like this is posted on the forum, but usually, it will at least contain MK677, and I want to tell anyone reading this that’s on a stack like this and doesn’t have a bone age of around 14-15.5, you most likely won’t grow more than a 1-2 cm’s if you are lucky.

most important part of thread tbh

 

[giga_aspie]

TLDR Summary:​

1. Avoid Estrogenic Lifestyle and Diet Choices
2. Avoid Excessive or Insufficient Intake of Compounds
3. Avoid Impatience and Quitting Your Stack Prematurely
4. Maintain Consistent Routine and Take Breaks
5. Avoid Not Getting a Blood Test/Checkup on Cycle

Introduction:​

Often on this forum, we see threads about how to grow taller, but rarely do we see any threads about the opposite. So today, I compiled a list of things not to do if you are interested in growing taller and can still grow taller! I tried to avoid mentioning the most obvious things that would significantly reduce height growth, like sleep deprivation and managing stress. The list pertains to all heightmaxxers, regardless if you use synthetic compounds or not to grow taller!

Word Bank:​

Cycle: Practice of using and taking synthetic substances for a specific length of time!
Stack: List of compounds/substances taken during cycle!
Both terms can be used somewhat interchangeably!

The List​

#1 CHOICE TO AVOID: Estrogenic Lifestyle Choices​

This is probably the biggest thing that you want to avoid doing if you want to grow taller. While increased estradiol (the primary form of estrogen) levels lead to an increased growth rate for a short period, it will also quickly mature your growth plates and reduce overall height growth. I strongly recommend that you try to reduce your estradiol levels for some time to maximize growth.

• This should first be attempted through losing body fat, as aromatase (the enzyme that converts test to estradiol) is highly active in body fat cells, so the more body fat that you have, the more conversion of test to estradiol.
• Next, while this tip could be considered pointless, avoiding overconsuming things like soy products, dairy products, and alcohol can help with reducing estradiol if it's a possible cause.
• Last but not least, using either natural or synthetic aromatase inhibitors will help the most with reducing estradiol levels to a point where you will be putting your body in the best position to grow. However, keep in mind, that if your estradiol gets too low without the presence of increased IGF-1 or HGH, you will have to suffer the consequences of low estradiol without any of the benefits. As lower estradiol leads to reduced IGF-1 levels, so make sure you are using something that boosts your HGH and IGF-1 levels alongside it!

#2 THING TO AVOID: DOING TOO MUCH OR DOING TOO LITTLE​

One thing that I noticed about heightmaxers is that after they have done their research, they either make a regiment that's too minimal in terms of substance and # of compounds, or a regiment that has too many compounds. To help showcase what I mean, I'll show two different stacks published on this website.

Example #1: Not enough compounds

While I understand this is an extreme example and this person was coming from a place of ignorance (not stupidity), it showcases how often people try to grow taller without the proper foundation, as none of the compounds listed have ever been proven to provide significant height growth unless given to people dealing with malnutrition or serious mineral deficiencies. Almost every week, a stack like this is posted on the forum, but usually, it will at least contain MK677, and I want to tell anyone reading this that’s on a stack like this and doesn’t have a bone age of around 14-15.5, you most likely won’t grow more than a 1-2 cm’s if you are lucky.

Suppose you are on a shorter budget and can't inject. In that case, you will need at a minimum both an aromatase inhibitor and growth hormone secretagogue and a few other natural compounds that also help increase IGF-1 and reduce estradiol.

Example #2: Too many compounds

While I also once thought that the bigger the stack, the better it is for height growth as you can maximize more factors that affect height growth with more compounds, I realized that this could lead to some overcomplication and more money being spent than needed. Looking at the example, while it would most likely lead to significant amounts of height growth gains, it will come at a cost that could’ve been reduced if better planning was implemented. The main issue is that the more compounds that you include, the more variables, and the less you know what is working or not. The person’s stack contains BPC, DSIP, and IGF-1 LRD3, and while those compounds seem like they’d help add even more height, in reality, none of them besides DSIP increases IGF-1, and DSIP desensitizes extremely quickly.

If any of these compounds were causing him side effects, he would be forced to essentially stop his whole stack because it would be hard to pinpoint which specific compound was causing his issues as many of the compounds in his stack have similar side effects. And this is not even mentioning the crazy amount of HGH he is doing. You should only consider 16 IU’s once you haven’t grown at all (not even a cm) for a very long period while on cycle (6-9 months) and you have tried every other dosage beforehand.

Overall, when you are making a stack, please use compounds that are scientifically proven to maximize a factor of height growth (thyroxine, IGF-1, estradiol, etc), and do not overlap each other in use. The best way to do this is by remembering that HGH will always be king over all other compounds, so mainly focus on HGH dosing and organize everything else accordingly afterward. Don’t confuse yourself with more advanced stuff like peptides (GHRPs, GHRHs, IGF-1 LR3, etc) and oral secretagogues if you can already afford to use high-dose HGH and don’t have a strong understanding of them. And if peptides and secretagogues are your only options, keep it simple, and use a GHRP and GHRH combo that you know how to dose and time properly before desensitization occurs.

#3 THING TO AVOID: BECOMING IMPATIENT AND STOPPING YOUR STACK​

This may be the most important thing to avoid if you want to grow taller, and that’s literally to not impatient and stop your stack/routine to maximize height. I am telling you, the biggest cause of failure to grow during your heightmaxxing journey aside from having growth plates closed beyond the point of return is becoming impatient and stopping your stack. There are hundreds of threads on this site where people have announced they are quitting their heightmaxxing journey prematurely because they feel like they aren’t seeing results fast enough, despite having x-ray scans showcasing they have open growth plates and growing recently in the past year.

What people fail to realize, especially as older teenagers (16-18 yrs old), height growth in most cases won’t come rapidly regardless of what drug you use as your growth plates are closer to being completely sealed. So you have to be patient. Humans don’t grow in a linear line, so while maybe for six months into your stack, you don’t grow a single centimeter, by the eighth or ninth month, you could grow an inch or two.

Furthermore, in one of the only studies ever published to give high-dose HGH and aromatase inhibitors to naturally short-stature adolescents who were older and had almost closed growth plates, the patients grew around 10 cm and they were dosed for 19 months.

While this is an extreme example, it showcases how you need to at least run your stack consistently for around a year and a half before officially giving up if you have seen no results in that period. If you stop before then and it’s not due to financial reasons, you are missing out on legitimate height growth gains that you could’ve got if you kept going!

#4 THING TO AVOID: NOT TAKING BREAKS OR HAVING A CONSISTENT ROUTINE​

Lastly, choosing not to take any breaks, having a consistent routine, or taking any blood tests, may seem obvious to some, but those 3 things are often the underlying cause of failure to get any results from your height growth stack.

Specifically, not taking any breaks during your cycle will lead to more intense side effects from your compounds, and often, can lead to your body creating a tolerance to some compounds, forcing you to increase dosage. Not taking any breaks in your cycle is usually a symptom of not having a consistent routine.

It would help if you were taking your compounds in the same order, time, and dose every day. You should also be taking the same amount of compounds each day, and if you want to introduce a new compound, it should be a slow and gradual process! This is so that you can reduce fluctuations in your hormone levels throughout the process and diminish possible side effects from fluctuations in your E2 and T levels! Things like weight gain, hair loss, acne, insomnia, and others can occur from constant hormone fluctuations from inconsistent dosing periods!

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#5 THING TO AVOID: NOT GETTING ANY BLOOD TESTS OR CHECKUPS DURING YOUR CYCLE!​

Never go through a cycle period without getting at least one blood test or a checkup at least once! While we often think we know our bodies very well, many times, people will experience intense side effects, but don’t even realize it and try to attribute it to something else in their life and not their cycle! There have been multiple instances where I’ve had people say to me that they aren’t experiencing any side effects from a compound, yet describe symptoms that match known side effects. This is common with aromatase inhibitors, where side effects may not be noticeable initially but develop gradually, making it difficult to distinguish them from other bodily changes.

And this is why it’s so important to get a blood test/doctor checkup of some kind while taking these compounds. I know depending on age, location, and budget, it can be difficult to get a blood test, but at the very least, you can get a checkup from your doctor and ask for a basic blood test. This will allow you to see if your stack has been causing changes in even your most basic of blood markers like your cholesterol levels, RBC, WBC, calcium levels, glucose levels, and many others! However, the best blood markers to get tested regularly if you can in regards to your height growth journey are total & free testosterone, estradiol, IGF-1, TSH, Free T3, Free T4, Calcium, Vitamin D, and GH! To get a more comprehensive blood test from your family doctor, you could simply tell them that you have been experiencing symptoms that are correlated to changes in the blood marker that you are looking to be tested for!

Doing this will allow you to go about this process much more safely and make appropriate changes to your stack based on your body's response to the compounds! I have seen cases where people have dealt with serious skin issues, blood sugar issues, water retention issues, and many others all because they never seriously checked up on their health throughout the entire process. If you don't want that to be you and are considering heightmaxxing, I recommend that you checkup on your body regularly. If you guys want me to make a more comprehensive thread on the best blood markers to test for in regards to heightmaxxing, just say it in the replies and I will!

I really wonder how some of you get access to this at 16 or younger.

 

[Inosebreathonly]

As lower estradiol leads to reduced IGF-1 levels,​

"As discussed above, it is clear that estrogens and SERMs are able to strongly decrease circulating levels of IGF1." I think estrsdiol decreases igf-1 but don't know about super low levels