How relevant is culture and environment in what we perceive as attractive?

[Deleted member 6531]

I am reading this book and I saw this very interesting paragraph.

It says that African American males preferred white female faces and black female faces with more Caucasian features. I'm assuming this means thinner noses, smaller lips etc.

This also explains why African American men date out very much with white women.

What's interesting is that black males who have grown up in Africa tend to find females with more typical black features attractive.

It got me thinking, how relevant do you think the culture and environment in which we grow up in (ie the west) influences what we find attractive?

We are constantly as ethnics bombarded with images of attractive white people from a young age and maybe that has an influence on why a lot of ethnics hate themselves and features and worship white people.

Obviously some features are undesirable not because of race but just because they're objectively unattractive such as weak chins, long midfaces, recessed mandibles etc and therefore has nothing to do with culture and environment.

Do you think that if ethnics grew up in a country ie their home country in which white media/ white people barely exist, they would not be as self hating and dislike their own race?.


Can I have some thoughts guys.

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[Deleted member 756]

It plays a role but some features are universal such as height, eye colour and jaw

 

[Looks234]

It plays a role but some features are universal such as height, eye colour and jaw

Eye color isn’t a universal attractive trait. It’s serves no purpose evolutionary.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Another essay by @Aquiillaxo that I can only legit react and reply with this gif

 

[Deleted member 756]

Eye color isn’t a universal attractive trait

It is now due to globalization
An ethnic with light eyes has increased attractiveness

 

[gamma]

We are constantly as ethnics bombarded with images of attractive white people from a young age

Medias are promoting asians now though
That's why asians slay in Canada

 

[Deleted member 756]

Medias are promoting asians now though
That's why they slay in Canada

K pop?

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Medias are promoting asians now though
That's why asians slay in Canada

Meanwhile every east asian guy in my country is alone

 

[gamma]

K pop?

Indeed

 

[Jason Voorhees]

One thing I can tell you is that most of psl f is based on caucasoid features. Almost all the features that are desirable are caucasoid. Not white but caucasoid.

 

[volcelfatcel]

Media pill is a meme
unlike what @Biggdink says
No matter how much media or portrayal you give of south asian-east asian People, they'll never be attractive as whites objective features that make men dimorphic are missing that whites have the most common and it's quite literally a part of their skull in europe.
Round chins, short chins, round jaws, bad orbitals for south asian
Flat maxillas, neotenous features, for east asians
Coloring is the final nail in the coffin, the MERE EXISTENCE OF BLUE EYES IS BECAUSE OF LOOKISM JFL.

These are all objective beauty features that you can analyze. Blacks are amplified by media sure i'll admit that but they are also dimorphic and have redeeming features. Asians in general have barely any.

No media attention will amplify that, it's better now for east asians with kpop and that niche but it's not close to what whites have. Even if whites are portrayed as evil racists and a ton of other bad things by the media, that will never tank their SMV because they are objectively the aesthetically ideal race

 

[Deleted member 6531]

It plays a role but some features are universal such as height, eye colour and jaw

How much of a role is what I'm truly asking.

Is there a way to determine HOW much culture and environment such as eurocentrism affects what we find attractive?

 

[Deleted member 756]

How much of a role is what I'm truly asking.

Is there a way to determine HOW much culture and environment such as eurocentrism affects what we find attractive?

Not anymore

 

[Jason Voorhees]

One thing I can tell you is that most of psl f is based on caucasoid features. Almost all the features that are desirable are caucasoid. Not white but caucasoid.

Caucasoid and europid are different btw. Europid is the new classification It’s still astounding to me some people believe caucasian features are exclusive to whites. They aren’t and they’ve never been.

 

[Deleted member 6531]

One thing I can tell you is that most of psl f is based on caucasoid features. Almost all the features that are desirable are caucasoid. Not white but caucasoid.

Can you explain why Wikipedia says caucasoid is a outdated facial classification?

I haven't studied this but I was hoping you would know why it has been disproven according t Wikipedia

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Can you explain why Wikipedia says caucasoid is a outdated facial classification?

I haven't studied this but I was hoping you would know why it has been disproven according t Wikipedia

Read this

Caucasoid and europid are different btw. Europid is the new classification It’s still astounding to me some people believe caucasian features are exclusive to whites. They aren’t and they’ve never been.

 

[AsGoodAsItGets]

I am reading this book and I saw this very interesting paragraph.

It says that African American males preferred white female faces and black female faces with more Caucasian features. I'm assuming this means thinner noses, smaller lips etc.

This also explains why African American men date out very much with white women.

What's interesting is that black males who have grown up in Africa tend to find females with more typical black features attractive.

It got me thinking, how relevant do you think the culture and environment in which we grow up in (ie the west) influences what we find attractive?

We are constantly as ethnics bombarded with images of attractive white people from a young age and maybe that has an influence on why a lot of ethnics hate themselves and features and worship white people.

Obviously some features are undesirable not because of race but just because they're objectively unattractive such as weak chins, long midfaces, recessed mandibles etc and therefore has nothing to do with culture and environment.

Do you think that if ethnics grew up in a country ie their home country in which white media/ white people barely exist, they would not be as self hating and dislike their own race?.


Can I have some thoughts guys.

Tagging decently intelligent people @volcelfatcel @tyronelite
@kjsbdfiusdf @MakinItHappen @PrestonYnot @Wallenberg @SubhumanCurrycel @wanttobeattractive @reptiles @Maesthetic @turkproducer @

smart

 

[Looks234]

One thing I can tell you is that most of psl f is based on caucasoid features. Almost all the features that are desirable are caucasoid. Not white but caucasoid.

Such as?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Such as?

Deep seated eyes, strong nasal bridge, tall chin, thin noses and doli skulls.

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Media pill is a meme
unlike what @Biggdink says
No matter how much media or portrayal you give of south asian-east asian People, they'll never be attractive as whites objective features that make men dimorphic are missing that whites have the most common and it's quite literally a part of their skull in europe.
Round chins, short chins, round jaws, bad orbitals for south asian
Flat maxillas, neotenous features, for east asians
Coloring is the final nail in the coffin, the MERE EXISTENCE OF BLUE EYES IS BECAUSE OF LOOKISM JFL.

These are all objective beauty features that you can analyze. Blacks are amplified by media sure i'll admit that but they are also dimorphic and have redeeming features. Asians in general have barely any.

No media attention will amplify that, it's better now for east asians with kpop and that niche but it's not close to what whites have. Even if whites are portrayed as evil racists and a ton of other bad things by the media, that will never tank their SMV because they are objectively the aesthetically ideal race

So in your perspective you believe that culture/environment doesn't really have an impact on what we find attractive and what we don't?.

And that beauty is objective basically and that it favours some races over others?

 

[Looks234]

Deep seated eyes, strong nasal bridge, tall chin, thin noses and doli skulls.

Doli skulls aren’t a white trait. You can find them in africans.

 

[volcelfatcel]

So in your perspective you believe that culture/environment doesn't really have an impact on what we find attractive and what we don't?.

And that beauty is objective basically and that it favours some races over others?

Yup, exactly that. There was a time before media where the sole passing of blue eyes as a genetic mutation (of 1 human) was because women liked the color and found it sexually attractive that should say everything this was not even a Survival trait merely an aesthetic trait. We instinctually prefer European/White features there's no changing that unironically.

Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor

New research shows that people with blue eyes have a single, common ancestor. Scientists have tracked down a genetic mutation which took place 6,000-10,000 years ago and is the cause of the eye color of all blue-eyed humans alive on the planet today.

www.sciencedaily.com

No matter how much media you give to indians they'll never be attractive since they don't have objectively attractive features such as a Tall Chin, non rounded jaws, good orbitals and most important of all coloring.
Same with east asians, they have flat maxillas, which lead to far more problems with their other bones.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Basically just be white

 

[Beetlejuice]

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Doli skulls aren’t a white trait. You can find them in africans.

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Would these people fit more European beauty standards than compared to other black populations that don't have the same skulls?

 

[Looks234]

Would these people fit more European beauty standards than compared to other black populations that don't have the same skulls?

Yes. But technically it’s not a white trait.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Doli skulls aren’t a white trait. You can find them in africans.

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Yea I never said white. I said caucasoid

Read this. I've said this a 100 times before but still sfcels want to cope

Caucasoid and europid are different btw. Europid is the new classification It’s still astounding to me some people believe caucasian features are exclusive to whites. They aren’t and they’ve never been.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Yea I never said white. I said caucasoid

Read this. I've said this a 100 times before but still sfcels want to cope

Define exclusive
Some austronesians can have blonde hair but it’s a mutation not the norm

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Define exclusive
Some austronesians can have blonde hair but it’s a mutation not the norm

I'm not talking about mutation. I'm talking about the caucasoid race.

usually included ancient and modern populations from all or parts of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.[6

 

[Deleted member 7580]

Media pill is a meme
unlike what @Biggdink says
No matter how much media or portrayal you give of south asian-east asian People, they'll never be attractive as whites objective features that make men dimorphic are missing that whites have the most common and it's quite literally a part of their skull in europe.
Round chins, short chins, round jaws, bad orbitals for south asian
Flat maxillas, neotenous features, for east asians
Coloring is the final nail in the coffin, the MERE EXISTENCE OF BLUE EYES IS BECAUSE OF LOOKISM JFL.

These are all objective beauty features that you can analyze. Blacks are amplified by media sure i'll admit that but they are also dimorphic and have redeeming features. Asians in general have barely any.

No media attention will amplify that, it's better now for east asians with kpop and that niche but it's not close to what whites have. Even if whites are portrayed as evil racists and a ton of other bad things by the media, that will never tank their SMV because they are objectively the aesthetically ideal race

 

[volcelfatcel]

 

[Deleted member 756]

I'm not talking about mutation. I'm talking about the caucasoid race.

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Half of these groups are mixed with non Caucasian so not really so.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Half of these groups are mixed with non Caucasian so not really so.

Again, these physical traits are not exclusive to people hailing from Europe, as they’re very common in lots of other people.

 

[Deleted member 756]

Again, these physical traits are not exclusive to people hailing from Europe, as they’re very common in lots of other people.

Light eyes are very rare in non Europeans for example

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Light eyes are very rare in non Europeans for example

Caucasoid is used as an umbrella term for phenotypically similar groups from these different regions, with a focus on skeletal anatomy, and especially cranial morphology, without regard to skin tone/colouring

 

[Deleted member 6273]

It's an interesting question to ask, but I don't think this is the right place to ask it cause people will think your some kind of degenerate lefty, if you don't give the answer they expect.

Imo I definitely do think that culture and environment affect what we generally consider attractive, which is why things like KPOP actually improve asians SMV especially to women who are into Asian culture, that's what basically happened but to a much larger scale with Europeans cause much of the mordern world has adopted European lifestyles, culture and religions to varying degrees.

 

[fukmylyf]

jbw

 

[Deleted member 6531]

I'm not talking about mutation. I'm talking about the caucasoid race.

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So you believe the caucasoid race exists contrary to Wikipedia saying it doesn't and is outdated and false.

But I'm guessing you believe that north/west Europe, east Europe/ south europe. Belong to the category known as europids.

Am I correct?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

So you believe the caucasoid race exists contrary to Wikipedia saying it doesn't and is outdated and false.

But I'm guessing you believe that north/west Europe, east Europe/ south europe. Belong to the category known as europids.

Am I correct?

Yea @africancel can expand on this. He's done more research than me

 

[volcelfatcel]

It's an interesting question to ask, but I don't think this is the right place to ask it cause people will think your some kind of degenerate lefty, if you don't give the answer they expect.

Imo I definitely do think that culture and environment affect what we generally consider attractive, which is why things like KPOP actually improve asians SMV especially to women who are into Asian culture, that's what basically happened but to a much larger scale with Europeans cause much of the mordern world has adopted European lifestyles, culture and religions to varying degrees.

objectively speaking, euro features are just prefered instinctually i'd say

the sole reason blue eyes exist is because women sexually thought it was attractive, all blue eyes can be traced back to 1 ancestor who had a genetic mutation.

no media for indians subhuman short chins and shit orbitals on top of that the worst coloring

 

[Deleted member 6531]

It's an interesting question to ask, but I don't think this is the right place to ask it cause people will think your some kind of degenerate lefty, if you don't give the answer they expect.

Imo I definitely do think that culture and environment affect what we generally consider attractive, which is why things like KPOP actually improve asians SMV especially to women who are into Asian culture, that's what basically happened but to a much larger scale with Europeans cause much of the mordern world has adopted European lifestyles, culture and religions to varying degrees.

So you believe that eurocentrism is just ingrained into the modern world compared to other cultures hence why we find European people more attractive?

Also eurocentism is probably more ingrained because of things like colonization, generally literally being published by Europeans etc

 

[curryslayerordeath]

media pill is legit as fuck

white bitches love Sosa

 

[volcelfatcel]

So you believe that eurocentrism is just ingrained into the modern world compared to other cultures hence why we find European people more attractive?

Also eurocentism is probably more ingrained because of things like colonization, generally literally being published by Europeans etc

Eurocentrism looks wise is engrained instinctually. There was no media 10000 years ago but blue eyes exist because they were though to be attractive by 1 man that had a genetic mutation.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

It's all about representation really.Ppl here don't get this but the mass media is very powerful.It can influence individual personal choices and public opinions drastically.Whites are always shown as heroes and guardians,Latinos as romantic lovers and blacks as low inhib bad boys these races are shown in a positive light that's why their SMV is high while curries and asians are shown in negative light. So their SMV is low. Mere exposure theory at play.Same case with gosling,Driver and Sandler. I also recently learned that this sandcel is considered to be the hottest guy in Germany.

 

[volcelfatcel]

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media pill is legit as fuck

white bitches love Sosa

Blacks at least have positives, media amplifies it.

Curries are nerdy, have shit orbitals, have shit short chins, have shit fucking rounded jaws and look like shit because of coloring (most of the common phenos) no media for that sadly

 

[Looks234]

Eurocentrism looks wise is engrained instinctually. There was no media 10000 years ago but blue eyes exist because they were though to be attractive by 1 man that had a genetic mutation.

Cope. The guys probably had good faces.

Blue eyed genetic dead ends still existed

 

[volcelfatcel]

Cope. The guys probably had good faces.

Blue eyed genetic dead ends still existed

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No blue eyes existence are all traced back to 1 ancestor is what I mean. What he looked like we may never know but women thought the blue eyes were attractive so he fucked a lot and made them common relatively.

But it's clear humans instinctually prefer Euro features such as tall chins, high cheekbones etc.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Blacks at least have positives, media amplifies it.

Curries are nerdy, have shit orbitals, have shit short chins, have shit fucking rounded jaws and look like shit because of coloring (most of the common phenos) no media for that sadly

Insane cope

Look at this video, brown boys getting it out the mud


white supermodels want Nav's nuts on their face

 

[volcelfatcel]

Insane cope

Look at this video, brown boys getting it out the mud


white supermodels want Nav's nuts on their face

1 bug eyed curry raper that is 5'7 and still fits the stereotypes. I guess he has improved Indian smv but even Bollywood failos us with how fucking shit the production is.

Regardless the nav pill broke me

 

[Deleted member 6273]

objectively speaking, euro features are just prefered instinctually i'd say

the sole reason blue eyes exist is because women sexually thought it was attractive, all blue eyes can be traced back to 1 ancestor who had a genetic mutation.

no media for indians subhuman short chins and shit orbitals on top of that the worst coloring

tbh, I can't say that definitively, I think some traits like lighter eyes might have a universal appeal in sexual selection though but when you look at studies on remote tribal communities they have weird preferences, not in line in what we would expect.

Preferences for symmetry in human faces in two cultures: data from the UK and the Hadza, an isolated group of hunter-gatherers

Many studies show agreement within and between cultures for general judgements of facial attractiveness. Few studies, however, have examined the attractiveness of specific traits and few have examined preferences in hunter-gatherers. The current study ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous population (i.e., Yali of Papua, inhabiting the mountainous terrain east of the Baliem valley). A total of 53 women and 52 men participated in the study. Study sites differed in distance from Wamena, the biggest settlement in the region, and frequency of tourists’ visits. We found that the mate preferences among Yali men and women for WHR, LBR, and SDS were not exactly the same as in Western samples. Yali preferred low women’s WHR and relatively high women’s (but not men’s) LBR. Women’s and men’s ratings of each SDS set were similar, which suggests that the “male-taller norm” in Yali tribe was far weaker than in Western cultures. Additionally, the observed preferences were modified by contact with different cultures, age, and accessibility of food resources (pig possession). Our results suggest that human norms of attractiveness are malleable and can change with exposure to different environments and conditions.