How relevant is culture and environment in what we perceive as attractive?

[volcelfatcel]

Insane cope

Look at this video, brown boys getting it out the mud


white supermodels want Nav's nuts on their face

Nav is a Christian Kerala mallu as well FYI

 

[Deleted member 6273]

So you believe that eurocentrism is just ingrained into the modern world compared to other cultures hence why we find European people more attractive?

Also eurocentism is probably more ingrained because of things like colonization, generally literally being published by Europeans etc

Yes, it's kind of ridiculous that people think that modern rap music, jews and blacked has significantly improved SMV of blacks but somehow European culture, civilization, religion media etc which to this point have become global have absolutely no effect in how we perceive Europeans

 

[Deleted member 6531]

tbh, I can't say that definitively, I think some traits like lighter eyes might have a universal appeal in sexual selection though but when you look at studies on remote tribal communities they have weird preferences, not in line in what we would expect.

Preferences for symmetry in human faces in two cultures: data from the UK and the Hadza, an isolated group of hunter-gatherers

Many studies show agreement within and between cultures for general judgements of facial attractiveness. Few studies, however, have examined the attractiveness of specific traits and few have examined preferences in hunter-gatherers. The current study ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous population (i.e., Yali of Papua, inhabiting the mountainous terrain east of the Baliem valley). A total of 53 women and 52 men participated in the study. Study sites differed in distance from Wamena, the biggest settlement in the region, and frequency of tourists’ visits. We found that the mate preferences among Yali men and women for WHR, LBR, and SDS were not exactly the same as in Western samples. Yali preferred low women’s WHR and relatively high women’s (but not men’s) LBR. Women’s and men’s ratings of each SDS set were similar, which suggests that the “male-taller norm” in Yali tribe was far weaker than in Western cultures. Additionally, the observed preferences were modified by contact with different cultures, age, and accessibility of food resources (pig possession). Our results suggest that human norms of attractiveness are malleable and can change with exposure to different environments and conditions.

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This study basically proves that culture and environment are strongly correlated to what we find as attractive.

We have been forcefully fed with couples in the media who are white in which the male is significantly taller than the female , yet in isolated populations like the ones in the study they do not care about such height differences

 

[volcelfatcel]

Yes, it's kind of ridiculous that people think that modern rap music, jews and blacked has significantly improved SMV of blacks but somehow European culture, civilization, religion media etc which to this point have become global have absolutely no effect in how we perceive Europeans

Black smv also relies on the fact that they are the most dimorphic race as well tbh. The other stuff amplifies it I doubt we'd ever see Indians get halod by media because South asians have objective shit features

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Nav is a Christian Kerala mallu as well FYI

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[volcelfatcel]

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[Jason Voorhees]

tbh, I can't say that definitively, I think some traits like lighter eyes might have a universal appeal in sexual selection though but when you look at studies on remote tribal communities they have weird preferences, not in line in what we would expect.

Preferences for symmetry in human faces in two cultures: data from the UK and the Hadza, an isolated group of hunter-gatherers

Many studies show agreement within and between cultures for general judgements of facial attractiveness. Few studies, however, have examined the attractiveness of specific traits and few have examined preferences in hunter-gatherers. The current study ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous population (i.e., Yali of Papua, inhabiting the mountainous terrain east of the Baliem valley). A total of 53 women and 52 men participated in the study. Study sites differed in distance from Wamena, the biggest settlement in the region, and frequency of tourists’ visits. We found that the mate preferences among Yali men and women for WHR, LBR, and SDS were not exactly the same as in Western samples. Yali preferred low women’s WHR and relatively high women’s (but not men’s) LBR. Women’s and men’s ratings of each SDS set were similar, which suggests that the “male-taller norm” in Yali tribe was far weaker than in Western cultures. Additionally, the observed preferences were modified by contact with different cultures, age, and accessibility of food resources (pig possession). Our results suggest that human norms of attractiveness are malleable and can change with exposure to different environments and conditions.

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Good post

 

[Deleted member 6531]

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No way that's spf and he wrote this

 

[Jason Voorhees]

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Caged irl the mallu god is everywhere

 

[Jason Voorhees]

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Caged irl the mallu god is everywhere

 

[AcneScars]

@PrestonYnot @AcneScars @Chadeep
CAGING

Fucking hell I laughed so hard

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Black smv also relies on the fact that they are the most dimorphic race as well tbh. The other stuff amplifies it I doubt we'd ever see Indians get halod by media because South asians have objective shit features

South Asians can only get media representation by tv shows and movies.

Not sports like black people.

If south Asians were to improve bollywood or start their own thing in the west with good looking south asian people of different skin tones and ethnicities but all south asian. It would halo us.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

its insanely important even tho negros here still try to pass the "muh everything is genetics" agenda

just look at how much blacks smv has raised in the last 2 decades, thats 100% related to blacks gaining more acceptance and good propaganda by the media

if you got back in the 60's, nobody would ever think about a black man being a sex symbol

now there is thousands of them and thats 100% because of propaganda

 

[volcelfatcel]

South Asians can only get media representation by tv shows and movies.

Not sports like black people.

If south Asians were to improve bollywood or start their own thing in the west with good looking south asian people of different skin tones and ethnicities but all south asian. It would halo us.

South Asian representation isn't the issue though

It's South Asian subhumanity, we have objectively bad features unless you go to mountain indids or the indo nordics

I doubt it, 95% of South asians aren't the good phenos so it would still fuck us over. Asians can at least look neotenous for kpop we South asians have downright objectively bad features and I'm sad to admit that.

 

[Deleted member 6531]

South Asian representation isn't the issue though

It's South Asian subhumanity, we have objectively bad features unless you go to mountain indids or the indo nordics

I doubt it, 95% of South asians aren't the good phenos so it would still fuck us over. Asians can at least look neotenous for kpop we South asians have downright objectively bad features and I'm sad to admit that.

There's always dudes out there like sendhil. I'm sure we can find more To represent us

 

[volcelfatcel]

There's always dudes out there like sendhil. I'm sure we can find more To represent us

The people like sendhil are in a 1 in 100000, barely any Indians have as good orbitals as him without a short chin failo.

 

[Deleted member 6531]

The people like sendhil are in a 1 in 100000, barely any Indians have as good orbitals as him without a short chin failo.

I mean there arent many guys who look like Ian somerhalder ( when do white guys have such strong thick eyebrows with that shape). Somerhalder would also be like 1/1000000

Yet they still cast these white men as actors, I mean the reason they're actors in the first place is because they deviate from the norm.

These white actors raise the smv of white men (not like it needs to be raised but it still helps)

More guys like sendhil would do the same and they exist just a very small minority of them

 

[volcelfatcel]

I mean there arent many guys who look like Ian somerhalder ( when do white guys have such strong thick eyebrows with that shape). Somerhalder would also be like 1/1000000

Yet they still cast these white men as actors, I mean the reason they're actors in the first place is because they deviate from the norm.

These white actors raise the smv of white men (not like it needs to be raised but it still helps)

More guys like sendhil would do the same and they exist just a very small minority of them

Ok somerhalder is the exception with the eyebrow shape but thickness is extremely common in Italy @gamma correct me if wrong.

White chads don't deviate much from the norm if at all.

I have never seen an Indian with hunter eyes irl, hell true hunter eyes on an Indian are in 1 million or something. People like sendhil are extreme exceptions even rarer than white chads.

 

[fras]

its insanely important even tho negros here still try to pass the "muh everything is genetics" agenda

just look at how much blacks smv has raised in the last 2 decades, thats 100% related to blacks gaining more acceptance and good propaganda by the media

if you got back in the 60's, nobody would ever think about a black man being a sex symbol

now there is thousands of them and thats 100% because of propaganda

Rhineland bastard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Miscegenation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"During and after slavery, most American whites regarded interracial marriage between whites and blacks as taboo. However, during slavery, many white American men and women did conceive children with black partners."

Blacks had reproductive success way before any media boost. SFcels coping on yet another day.

 

[gamma]

but thickness is extremely common in Italy @ /data/avatars/s/12/12252.jpg?1614449241 @gamma correct me if wrong.

It depends
South yes, North not so much

 

[Uglybrazilian]

It's an interesting question to ask, but I don't think this is the right place to ask it cause people will think your some kind of degenerate lefty, if you don't give the answer they expect.

Imo I definitely do think that culture and environment affect what we generally consider attractive, which is why things like KPOP actually improve asians SMV especially to women who are into Asian culture, that's what basically happened but to a much larger scale with Europeans cause much of the mordern world has adopted European lifestyles, culture and religions to varying degrees.

exactly, such a great analysis

you are a High IQ user ngl

 

[volcelfatcel]

It depends
South yes, North not so much

Even northies like dellisola have thicker brows than 99% of Europeans tbf

 

[Deleted member 6531]

Ok somerhalder is the exception with the eyebrow shape but thickness is extremely common in Italy @gamma correct me if wrong.

White chads don't deviate much from the norm if at all.

I have never seen an Indian with hunter eyes irl, hell true hunter eyes on an Indian are in 1 million or something. People like sendhil are extreme exceptions even rarer than white chads.

Ian somerhalder still doesn't represent white men well. He is chosen because he's exceptionally good looking compared to other white men he is very rare.

Sendhil doesn't represent indian men well because he is exceptionally good looking compared to other indian men.

Both do not represent their populations well, but white people are considered extremely attractive so they don't really need guys like Ian somerhalder anymore. However we need dudes like sendhil because it shows to people that good looking full indians do exist and not every indian man is the typical one you see on the street.

 

[Uglybrazilian]

Rhineland bastard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Miscegenation - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"During and after slavery, most American whites regarded interracial marriage between whites and blacks as taboo. However, during slavery, many white American men and women did conceive children with black partners."

Blacks had reproductive success way before any media boost. SFcels coping on yet another day.

im 100% sure there was interracial couples even during slavery and right after slavery times, but its also a fact that blacks smv is way higher now due to media representation

im not a stfcel im actually against their superstitious "white race objectively better at everything" agenda

 

[reptiles]

One thing I can tell you is that most of psl f is based on caucasoid features. Almost all the features that are desirable are caucasoid. Not white but caucasoid.

Seems like a cop out ngl i see plenty of good looking black and asian women in the media I dont know why people here act like there ugly.

Ngl though the average ethnic though i see IRL is a quadrillion x uglier than even your average white. The ones on tv are a about a trillion x better than your average white.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Seems like a cop out ngl i see plenty of good looking black and asian women in the media I dont know why people here act like there ugly.

Ngl though the average ethnic though i see IRL is a quadrillion x uglier than even your average white. The ones on tv are a about a trillion x better than your average white.

Blacks can have cacasoid features dude.

 

[reptiles]

tbh, I can't say that definitively, I think some traits like lighter eyes might have a universal appeal in sexual selection though but when you look at studies on remote tribal communities they have weird preferences, not in line in what we would expect.

Preferences for symmetry in human faces in two cultures: data from the UK and the Hadza, an isolated group of hunter-gatherers

Many studies show agreement within and between cultures for general judgements of facial attractiveness. Few studies, however, have examined the attractiveness of specific traits and few have examined preferences in hunter-gatherers. The current study ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Judgments of Sexual Attractiveness: A Study of the Yali Tribe in Papua

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Preferences for waist-to-hip ratio (WHR), sexual dimorphism in stature (SDS), and leg-to-body ratio (LBR) have been investigated predominantly in Western cultures. The aim of the present study was to examine the preferences of a relatively isolated, indigenous population (i.e., Yali of Papua, inhabiting the mountainous terrain east of the Baliem valley). A total of 53 women and 52 men participated in the study. Study sites differed in distance from Wamena, the biggest settlement in the region, and frequency of tourists’ visits. We found that the mate preferences among Yali men and women for WHR, LBR, and SDS were not exactly the same as in Western samples. Yali preferred low women’s WHR and relatively high women’s (but not men’s) LBR. Women’s and men’s ratings of each SDS set were similar, which suggests that the “male-taller norm” in Yali tribe was far weaker than in Western cultures. Additionally, the observed preferences were modified by contact with different cultures, age, and accessibility of food resources (pig possession). Our results suggest that human norms of attractiveness are malleable and can change with exposure to different environments and conditions.

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I mean parts of lookism is objective though.

Symmetrical people are more creative.

Forward protrusion of your upper jaw upper 3rd chin and lower jaw leads to a face which can breathe properly and has proper bite force for meals.


Dimorphism is beautiful because it helps gauge which spawn will be cpnsidered beautiful and which will not.

Averageness is more beautiful because thats what beauty standards ride of off the beauty standards always show people similar to average.

 

[reptiles]

Blacks can have cacasoid features dude.

Atheopians sure but there not the vast majority of blacks

 

[Deleted member 8461]

Attractiveness is mostly objective but I found a study a few years ago that I've never found ever again so I have nothing to back this up but apparently the ideal face varies per region depending on the men of that region. You know those composite faces that are a mix of a bunch of dudes faces:

Apparently the ideal face for a man is, in any given region, every man's face merged into one.

 

[tyronelite]

Definitely important. Different cultures & backgrounds are used to seeing specific looks.

Also what you were raised around influences what you find attractive as well

 

[Deleted member 14563]

I am reading this book and I saw this very interesting paragraph.

It says that African American males preferred white female faces and black female faces with more Caucasian features. I'm assuming this means thinner noses, smaller lips etc.

This also explains why African American men date out very much with white women.

What's interesting is that black males who have grown up in Africa tend to find females with more typical black features attractive.

It got me thinking, how relevant do you think the culture and environment in which we grow up in (ie the west) influences what we find attractive?

We are constantly as ethnics bombarded with images of attractive white people from a young age and maybe that has an influence on why a lot of ethnics hate themselves and features and worship white people.

Obviously some features are undesirable not because of race but just because they're objectively unattractive such as weak chins, long midfaces, recessed mandibles etc and therefore has nothing to do with culture and environment.

Do you think that if ethnics grew up in a country ie their home country in which white media/ white people barely exist, they would not be as self hating and dislike their own race?.


Can I have some thoughts guys.

Tagging decently intelligent people @volcelfatcel @tyronelite
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Yes I agree, to a certain degree. Culture & environment can influence your aesthetic preferences. Also, the fact that certain facial features are more attractive than others for example: deep set eyes, forward grown faces, high nose bridges, etc. are more attractive than prominent eyes, recessed faces, bulbous nose bridges, etc. Most facial facial features what we consider attractive are based off PSL & Eurocentric beauty standards. Also, can I get the name of the book you're reading?