I wouldn’t cut down to 12 mabye 15 cause imo its about longevity.
when is a safe age to cut down to 12?
Inb4 botbTable of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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nah not this alone mabye with the part 2
did hernan know the methodTable of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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?
jfl
he would fit in the fat nigger section.
i think lol
Nice thread and thanks for tagging me!Table of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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Seeing everything in black and white is a common sign of being on the spectrum
Had to do the same ngl. I look pufferfish 100 kg at 15%
bro i swim so i burn carbs like there is no tomorrow so my body fat stays at around 8-11 but im still eating around 4000 calories a day, sadly i cant eat fully healthy if i want to hit that but i still get too lean without building the muscle i want, its a fuck ass life, eat a lot till i burst -> stay the same, eat normal -> turn into a fucking minecraft skeletonTable of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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Don’t swimmers put on a fuck ton of muscle cause you’re using a balance of every muscle and depending on how fast you go the water acts as a weight. Correct me if I’m wrong.
your right but many olympic swimmers combine weightlifting and swim and that combo is what really builds muscle, also if your doing sprints then you build muscle but i do disrance
this is actually true at 13 i was going to the gym and my facial development was pretty good i was like 15% - 16% bf and then i started boxing and the coach made me lose from 65 kg to 57 kg for a fight and i lost so much weight looked like a dead slinny skeleton you wont believe how much face changed from 13-14-15 i literally descended looked like a rat i became so ugly and my friends even were saying i was so skinny and and i got nerfed but good thing now i look way better right now after gaining weight i just turned 17 last monthTable of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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W threadTable of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
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How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
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Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
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How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
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Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
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What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
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Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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W speedTable of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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Thanks for letting me know
Read.
Yeah I said chubby not obese. Look at Henry Cavill he was around that maybe slightly more
I always misunderstand by what people mean when they say chubby sorry
.
I grew up cubbish like the thread suggested and I do in fact have full infras.DNR
Nothing surgery can't fix
Terrible?
lemme break it down
Table of Contents will include:
- Introduction: Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-termHow
- Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
- Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
- How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
- Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
- What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
- Why Cutting or staying too Lean Too Young Can Backfire
- Conclusion
Why youth bodyfat determines your face long-term
So to start off, for facial fat pads there are both superficial and deep fat compartments in the face, not just one blob of fat. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17519724/
Superficial pads are just under the skin, above the SMAS (a key soft-tissue layer).
https://entokey.com/2-aesthetic-anatomy-of-the-upper-face/?
Deep pads lie beneath that, closer to the bone, which also provides structural support.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30698919/
Most guys think face shape is just “muh bone structure”, but your soft-tissue “architecture” holds/determines pretty much what you’ll look like during childhood, teen years and adolescence as well. The fat pads in your face don’t stay the same size your whole life. They grow, shrink, stretch, and adapt depending on the long term load placed on them (aka bf% mainly).
This is obviously long term over the span of years.
Holding more body fat when you’re young doesn’t just give a “chubby face.” It actually influences the actual volume/capacity of your facial fat pads especially the ones in the midface which then affects how your adult face looks even when you cut later on.
View attachment 4334196
How Facial Fat Pads Develop during Youth
Your face has a bunch of separate pockets, each with its own blood supply and boundaries. During youth, these compartments are more plastic, meaning they adapt more to upward or downward pressure.
If you stay lean your whole youth, you never “challenge” those compartments.
If you stay at a higher BF%, you give them more long-term volume and they’ll expand their holding capacity.
This is why some guys who were chubby as kids end up having that naturally round, full midface even when they later get lean. The compartments formed around more volume.
View attachment 4334205
Why Higher BF% in Childhood/Teen Years Makes the Midface Look Rounder
The malar and medial cheek pads respond the most when retaining fat in your face. When they stay filled for years, the actual envelope that holds them becomes more spacious. Not like a balloon stretching once more like a soft material adapting to whatever sits inside it long-term.
So when you cut later, instead of deflating into a hollow, old ish midface, you get rounder, more youthful
Examples are: some dudes stay lean year-round and end up looking older or gaunt at 19, while others were bulkier as kids and have that “baby faced” fullness forever.
View attachment 4334211
How Retaining Ligaments Respond to Long-Term Volume
Retaining ligaments anchor your soft tissue to the bone. They don’t just “hold fat pads in place.” They actually respond to the weight/volume sitting on them over years.
Examples of more volume:
• more downward tension
• more ligament stretch
• slightly looser boundaries
This is why someone who stayed very high BF% their whole youth might end up with:
- looser midface tissue
- earlier sagging
- deeper nasolabial lines later in life
View attachment 4334216
Midface, Eye Area, Buccal Fat, bigonial/bizygos, What Actually Changes?
Midface (Infraorbital and Malar Area)
This is where most of the long-term changes happen. Youth volume gives you permanent “support” under the eye.
Buccal Fat
Buccal fat is different because it has a main body and branches and it’s more resistant to shrinking. People who were fatter young keep a bit more buccal fullness for life.
Parotid + Jowl Fat Pads
These pads don’t “grow” the same way, but long-term youth fullness prevents the skin from becoming paper-thin early.
Under-Eye Tear Trough
Youth fat keeps the ligament tight and the pad supported. Lean kids lose fat here permanently, leading to sunken eyes.
Bigonial/Bizygos
This is where people get confused. Fat doesn’t change bone, but it changes how strong your cheekbones read visually.
- If you were too lean growing up, the cheeks never develop that “upper volume,” so when you cut later, you look narrow, basically like your zygos don’t project.
- If you grew up with a bit more fullness, the malar fat pads, the cheekbones. So when you finally go lean at 18–22, the zygos will be viewed as enlarged, because they’re sitting above a softly filled midface instead of collapsing.
This is literally why former chubby kids sometimes look like they have ” high bone mass” the moment they lean down.
View attachment 4334219
What’s the “Best” BF% for Your Face During Youth?
TlDR Based on anatomy patterns
- Too lean (sub-10% at like age 12–17)
You’re basically preventing fat pad growth lol, this should be pretty water. These guys grow up with hollow midfaces and look like shit..- Moderate (15–20%)
Ideal. Keeps the face youthful but doesn’t overstretch ligaments.- Fat nigger (25%+) You’ll gain more fat pad volume, but you risk ligament stretching and sagging later on (aka looking like some deformed fag).
View attachment 4334226
Why Cutting Too Lean Too Young Can be retarded
Your face isn’t done developing (fat pads etc.) until your early 20’s,
Yeah so stay lean at 13,14, 15,16 with low nutrition and low BF%, and you basically fuck yourself and the compartments during the period when they were supposed to form.
Conclusion/TLDR
End your life if you can’t put yourself to spend 5 minutes reading.
Also don’t bother commenting.
@unon @BigBallsLarry @Orka @chadisbeingmade @SlayerJonas@idkmanimao Helped make the thread.@Aryan Incel @Volksstaffel @aids @Org3cel @Blackpillirony
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JFL at linking 3 sources to "prove" the existence of deep fat compartments
On 22 females, which can easily be explained by hormones, low testosterone alone explains it; no need to dig further.Holy fearmongering
you're the retard here
Your genes set it and show what you're getting by late childhood.
Dang loser 3 hours and 30 minutes of you thinking and typing absolute shit just for me to not read itJFL at linking 3 sources to "prove" the existence of deep fat compartments
& no source for your actual claim
Wannabe Mike Mew
Just spew bs & ask the retarded chatbot whether it's true or not, which will say anything.
I bet you didn't even read a single study & took GPT hallucinations seriously after few prompts.
Reading this thread to address the points was just painful. I would have addressed every point, but there is nothing to address. My response to all your other points would be the same.
Pure GPT copy-paste with 0 studies to back it up, while you linked 3 just to prove the existence of permanent fat.
I tried finding studies that could provide some backing to your claim, but nothing backed it up
1 co-relation study by J. E. Bates and M. P. Harvati. with P = 0.047
If you go by hormones & genes, the co-relational would be way higher.
Holy fearmongering
straight-up reducing competition
just don't leanmax or you won't have good malar fat bro
you're the retard here
Your genes set it and show what you're getting by late childhood.
Just look at changes in eye area fat and malar fat from pre-teens to full development. It more or less looks the same.
Don't even think about gaining deep fat in puberty by obese-maxxing JFL
Just save up and get fat grafting in the peri-orbital region once you're an adult.
Do you seriously thinking I was thinking the entire 3.5 hours to debunk this grey 80-IQ guide of yours?Dang loser 3 hours and 30 minutes of you thinking and typing absolute shit just for me to not read it
Haters gonna hate.
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