how the fck did I get to be absolutely cooked (my side profile ruins everything)

[TritonMTN]

I have the worst side profile possible. I have a more or less normal low MTN front, but my side profile ruining my whole life. I'm also 180 cm tall, and it doesn't stop me from talking to girls as long as they don't see me from the side. (I specially removed the curls to show you).
what the fuck do I have to do to fix this shit, why is it so terrible?
Orthodontists also fucked me over braces with elastics and wisdom teeth extraction at 14-15.
I have enough money, if it were possible to have an operation in my country now at my age, I would do it. Even the fucking alt-girl with 4 breast sizes who date me a month ago went to a tajik who just had a lot better profile than me, but less appeal and 0 cash, the real BP moment
I'm 16.5 yo now. Of course, no one will make a hardmax for me at the moment, but at least tell me what to prepare for?
Which really fucking helps me? And don't write trolling shit like debloating, because I saw myself with 9% body fat and it looked terrible anyway, i decided to eat more animal products + gym and gain weight, rather than engage in nonsense like a debloat.
At the moment, I'm wearing permanent 6-tooth retainers on the bottom and top.

I'm going to a new orthodontist on January 24, can I offer him something? I'm already tired of dealing with these devices and operations. Is there really anyone who understands this?

 

[WhiteMan]

look at @Zeta hes htn and had 4 molars extracted at 12 yrs old to fix his malocclusion. i assume his wisdom teeth grew in properly. his face is sort of small because of that if u look at him without fillers. now he pouts his lips when he mews because his molars were extracted even tho he has good genes

wtf? just wtf.

 

[Sushifart]

i developed breathing problems from the further recession of the mandible after lower wisdom teeth extraction. i have a overbite. do u think braces and optimizing my growth hormoones as a 15 yr old would help fix the recession of the mandible?

I can't say since I never had braces. "Optimizing growth hormones" is a given, you should be doing this anyways so you can grow taller and such.

I would look into palate expanders though because I've heard negative things about braces being bad long term and causing a flatter face. I also don't know your exact face and situation.

 

[Loruki]

I can't say since I never had braces. "Optimizing growth hormones" is a given, you should be doing this anyways so you can grow taller and such.

I would look into palate expanders though because I've heard negative things about braces being bad long term and causing a flatter face. I also don't know your exact face and situation.

i think i might get class II correctors for the lower jaw along with braces. i have a overbite & a recessed mandible. after lower wisdom teeth extraction, i didnt get any bone grafts and my mandible retracted causing my maxilla to be less prominent than it was before.

 

[TheoRaven]

Hard to give you a proper diagnosis and plan without actual scans.

But here's 2 options.

• Either your occlusal plane is bad and you can go the bimax route with a decent amount of rotation to bring everything into proper alignment.
• Or your occlusal plane is fine in which case you should think about genio.

It's quite obvious why you think your profile is bad once you adjust the photo to the frankfurt plane. Right now I think the former is more likely, but its hard to tell without a ceph.

 

[Loruki]

I can't say since I never had braces. "Optimizing growth hormones" is a given, you should be doing this anyways so you can grow taller and such.

I would look into palate expanders though because I've heard negative things about braces being bad long term and causing a flatter face. I also don't know your exact face and situation.

im getting braces to primariily fix my overbite and uneven bite because my teeth underwent grinding as i chewed gum when i was 13-14 to get flared out gonions which i did get. but it caused my face to become asymmetrical because i would be chewing more on my left than my right.

my right side has more prominence because i chewed more on the left which wore down the cartilage i now have to reverse possibly through braces and class II correctors. then i have to fucking increase hgh and igf-1 so it can grow back.


left side of my face wore down more because i chewed on synthetic gum too much. the cartilage wore down making my ramus shorter, cheekbone smaller, and temple more inward because of the strain on that side caused by extreme tmj and malocclusion.

i am now recovering from this and hopefully braces and hormones can save me

 

[Loruki]

Hard to give you a proper diagnosis and plan without actual scans.

But here's 2 options.

• Either your occlusal plane is bad and you can go the bimax route with a decent amount of rotation to bring everything into proper alignment.
• Or your occlusal plane is fine in which case you should think about genio.

It's quite obvious why you think your profile is bad once you adjust the photo to the frankfurt plane. Right now I think the former is more likely, but its hard to tell without a ceph.

i might consider it when im 22 years old as a last resort (genioplasty)

 

[TritonMTN]

look at @Zeta hes htn and had 4 molars extracted at 12 yrs old to fix his malocclusion w/ braces. i assume his wisdom teeth grew in properly. his face is sort of small because of that if u look at him without fillers. now he pouts his lips when he mews because his molars were extracted even tho he has good genes

Well, he's still much better than us, even considering that removing molars is even worse than removing wisdom teeth, because many now have missing wisdom teeth or not erupting from birth.

 

[Loruki]

Well, he's still much better than us, even considering that removing molars is even worse than removing wisdom teeth, because many now have missing wisdom teeth or not erupting from birth.

he got braces for 4 years and he mews. so hes prolly our inspiration as he surpassed his genetic predisposition

 

[TritonMTN]

he got braces for 4 years and he mews. so hes prolly our inspiration as he surpassed his genetic predisposition

bro, this topic is just about the fact that braces, especially with elastics, only make it worse and negatively affect forward growth.
removing molars kills everything, but in his case, he's still a slayer. thank God they only removed my wisdom teeth, which were growing incorrectly, although that could have been stopped too.

 

[lurking truecel]

he got braces for 4 years and he mews. so hes prolly our inspiration as he surpassed his genetic predisposition

There is many people who removed 4 molars and still look good. 95% is just genes. It's only bad if you have short jaws which is small to begin with. Because the difference is not big. And also the extraction on small jaws is needed if you are not taking a extremly expensive route. And yes if you say mewing can help etc, no it won't help, most people have crowding since birth litteraly. Most of it is genetics. Mouth breathing can make it a lot worse and make you grow downwards but it doesn't prevent the growth which is genetic. So many copers think they would look like top models without extractions etc but in reality it doesn't so much.( I have extractions 4 molars myself, but even I can see it was the same before and after) What's also is important is to have good bite hitting more teeth when biting which most people don't, and that's whats creates bad stuff. Also resorption from having crowded teeth will make the bone less for sure.

 

[lurking truecel]

bro, this topic is just about the fact that braces, especially with elastics, only make it worse and negatively affect forward growth.
removing molars kills everything, but in his case, he's still a slayer. thank God they only removed my wisdom teeth, which were growing incorrectly, although that could have been stopped too.

Do you have any side profile pics from being younger so we can see the difference ?

 

[TritonMTN]

Do you have any side profile pics from being younger so we can see the difference ?

honestly, I would like to find them, but there is no clean profile. I have already realized that the negative impact was not from the removal of wisdom teeth, but from the treatment on elastics.

 

[lurking truecel]

honestly, I would like to find them, but there is no clean profile. I have already realized that the negative impact was not from the removal of wisdom teeth, but from the treatment on elastics.

You mean it drags the maxilla down or prevent forward growth ?

 

[TritonMTN]

You mean it drags the maxilla down or prevent forward growth ?

I mean, the elastics pulled the upper jaw back. they certainly made the lower one better, but it wasn't worth it.

 

[lurking truecel]

I mean, the elastics pulled the upper jaw back. they certainly made the lower one better, but it wasn't worth it.

I mean how bad was your bite before ? Not hitting all your teeth right is can cause condylar resorption and make the ramus shorter and also recess the lower jaw

 

[TritonMTN]

I mean how bad was your bite before ? Not hitting all your teeth right is can cause condylar resorption and make the ramus shorter and also recess the lower jaw

To be honest, I don't really remember what happened when I was 13. I had a distal occlusion, as I understand it, all my life before the removal of wisdom teeth and braces with elastics at 14. Orthodontists did not offer me surgery, they all offered me braces with elastics or springs.

 

[lurking truecel]

To be honest, I don't really remember what happened when I was 13. I had a distal occlusion, as I understand it, all my life before the removal of wisdom teeth and braces with elastics at 14. Orthodontists did not offer me surgery, they all offered me braces with elastics or springs.

I mean I think that malocclusion caused more bad problems then wearing elastics to fix it. Because not hitting your all you teeth and having a subpar occlusion during the first 12 years when the mandible grows the most will create less stimulation of the muscles that helps bonegrowth

 

[veggiedietcell]

look at @Zeta hes htn and had 4 molars extracted at 12 yrs old to fix his malocclusion w/ braces. i assume his wisdom teeth grew in properly. his face is sort of small because of that if u look at him without fillers. now he pouts his lips when he mews because his molars were extracted even tho he has good genes

Doesn’t zeta have good bone structure?

 

[zemult]

Did not read a single pixel, just saw the pictures and made the conclusion that you're an attention seeker.

 

[Loruki]

Bump

 

[lurking truecel]

To be honest, I don't really remember what happened when I was 13. I had a distal occlusion, as I understand it, all my life before the removal of wisdom teeth and braces with elastics at 14. Orthodontists did not offer me surgery, they all offered me braces with elastics or springs.

And also ofc they didn't offer you surgery, as surgeries that fix this is extremely rare. Bsso which is the most common one should not be done on children who is growing, ideally the earliest should be at 21 when growing is finished. And it also means your lower jaw was always recessed

 

[TritonMTN]

I mean I think that malocclusion caused more bad problems then wearing elastics to fix it. Because not hitting your all you teeth and having a subpar occlusion during the first 12 years when the mandible grows the most will create less stimulation of the muscles that helps bonegrowth

if it is understood correctly, the presence of malocclusion during the first 12 years of life has a very negative impact?

 

[TritonMTN]

Did not read a single pixel, just saw the pictures and made the conclusion that you're an attention seeker.

what nonsense you just wrote.

 

[TritonMTN]

Did not read a single pixel, just saw the pictures and made the conclusion that you're an attention seeker.

Open up my latest serious topic, not rage. everything about orthodontic treatment and my problem is detailed there.

 

[lurking truecel]

if it is understood correctly, the presence of malocclusion during the first 12 years of life has a very negative impact?

Yes more bad than any Ortho treatment there will ever be

 

[TritonMTN]

Yes more bad than any Ortho treatment there will ever be

By the way, you've noticed that well. Apparently it was my parents who were stupid, but there's nothing I can do, I don't blame them. As soon as I regained consciousness at the age of 13, I realized that something was wrong with me and decided to go to the orthodontist myself. But as I understand it, the return of a good bite at 14-15 did not give any boost.

 

[lurking truecel]

By the way, you've noticed that well. Apparently it was my parents who were stupid, but there's nothing I can do, I don't blame them. As soon as I regained consciousness at the age of 13, I realized that something was wrong with me and decided to go to the orthodontist myself. But as I understand it, the return of a good bite at 14-15 did not give any boost.

I mean considering you had a recessed lower jaw because that's literally what distal occlusion is, so they just dragged the upper maxilla back to match it which obv didn't help. And even if it did help slightly it's not gonna reverse even the changes to get the good bite in the first place(elastics). You would have needed like imdo which is only done with a few surgeon in the world. But yes no one has class 2 bite without something going wrong. I can't say what really but your parents made something wrong

 

[TritonMTN]

I mean considering you had a recessed lower jaw because that's literally what distal occlusion is, so they just dragged the upper maxilla back to match it which obv didn't help. And even if it did help slightly it's not gonna reverse even the changes to get the good bite in the first place(elastics). You would have needed like imdo which is only done with a few surgeon in the world. But yes no one has class 2 bite without something going wrong. I can't say what really but your parents made something wrong

doesn't the lower jaw move forward with a distal bite? they seem to be meeting each other halfway, due to the elastics. Yes, it definitely kills the upper jaw, but it also pushes out the lower one.

 

[lurking truecel]

doesn't the lower jaw move forward with a distal bite? they seem to be meeting each other halfway, due to the elastics. Yes, it definitely kills the upper jaw, but it also pushes out the lower one.

Firstly elastics moves the teeth almost only, so you probably flared out the lower teeth(not making the lower jaw bone come forward) and the you tilted the upper teeth more in. Their is no elastics that can put pressure so the whole lower jaw grows forward hahaha. It's the teeth moving, you got compensated. I mean if you had correct had posture in your profile pic you will see lower jaw is still back more then the upper

 

[TritonMTN]

Firstly elastics moves the teeth almost only, so you probably flared out the lower teeth(not making the lower jaw bone come forward) and the you tilted the upper teeth more in. Their is no elastics that can put pressure so the whole lower jaw grows forward hahaha. It's the teeth moving, you got compensated. I mean if you had correct had posture in your profile pic you will see lower jaw is still back more then the upper

so in your opinion, elastics could not have killed the upper jaw? I have absolutely even posture in the photo, but since the bite is smooth now, I can't understand a little what's the matter.

 

[lurking truecel]

so in your opinion, elastics could not have killed the upper jaw? I have absolutely even posture in the photo, but since the bite is smooth now, I can't understand a little what's the matter.

It's your lower jaw that was killed, and then you killed the upper a little to match it, you obv is still retruded in the lower jaw. High gonial angle downturned chin. I mean you could have skipped the elastics and lived with the bad bite untill you fix it with jaw surgery but then you have had to wait untill 19 earliest. But it's still not to bad and looks average, but optimally this should have been the way instead of tilting and compensating the teeth without fixing the underlying skeletal problem

 

[TritonMTN]

It's your lower jaw that was killed, and then you killed the upper a little to match it, you obv is still retruded in the lower jaw. High gonial angle downturned chin. I mean you could have skipped the elastics and lived with the bad bite untill you fix it with jaw surgery but then you have had to wait untill 19 earliest. But it's still not to bad and looks average, but optimally this should have been the way instead of tilting and compensating the teeth without fixing the underlying skeletal problem

what was I supposed to do, and now is the only solution a trimax?

 

[lurking truecel]

what was I supposed to do, and now is the only solution a trimax?

Or genio

 

[TritonMTN]

Or genio

trimax is bimax + genio, right?

 

[TritonMTN]

wouldn't a face mask and MSE help me at least a little now? After I do the CT scan, I will definitely send it to my last topic and also mention you, we will think.

Or genio

 

[lurking truecel]

wouldn't a face mask and MSE help me at least a little now? After I do the CT scan, I will definitely send it to my last topic and also mention you, we will think.

It can't because face mask doesn't adress lower jaw which is your main problem, you can't drag upper maxilla forward. It might reverse the effect of elastics but your will have class 2 bite again(malocclusion)

 

[TritonMTN]

It can't because face mask doesn't adress lower jaw which is your main problem, you can't drag upper maxilla forward. It might reverse the effect of elastics but your will have class 2 bite again(malocclusion)

at the moment, are there any orthodontic devices that extend the lower jaw? If I do a face mask treatment and then bimax, it will be much better than bimax without a face mask?

 

[lurking truecel]

at the moment, are there any orthodontic devices that extend the lower jaw? If I do a face mask treatment and then bimax, it will be much better than bimax without a face mask?

Yes it could would be better, but the price is bad bite for some time which might fuck things up

 

[TritonMTN]

Yes it could would be better, but the price is bad bite for some time which might fuck things up

bimax is only an operation on the lower jaw, and then i will have to take lefo 1 with it?

 

[lurking truecel]

bimax is only an operation on the lower jaw, and then i will have to take lefo 1 with it?

Bimax is double jaw surgery, bsso(lower jaw) + leforte 1 (lower maxilla)

 

[TritonMTN]

Bimax is double jaw surgery, bsso(lower jaw) + leforte 1 (lower maxilla)

Okay, I got it. Before that, I thought it was just for the lower jaw.

Going back to the question earlier. at the moment, are there any orthodontic devices that extend the lower jaw?
And the second question is how people who have had a distal bite get a good profile.

 

[lurking truecel]

Okay, I got it. Before that, I thought it was just for the lower jaw.

Going back to the question earlier. at the moment, are there any orthodontic devices that extend the lower jaw?
And the second question is how people who have had a distal bite get a good profile.

Not really, imdo is something for Lowe jaw, but it's surgical aswell. And yes it is with trimax you get good sideprofile..maybe implants too

 

[Nameless King]

looks like some issue with teeth positioning, the exact sort of thing an ortho would know how to fix

consider yourself lucky

 

[TritonMTN]

looks like some issue with teeth positioning, the exact sort of thing an ortho would know how to fix

consider yourself lucky

Where did you see that something was wrong with my teeth?

 

[TritonMTN]

Not really, imdo is something for Lowe jaw, but it's surgical aswell. And yes it is with trimax you get good sideprofile..maybe implants too

Okay I just thought that nowadays there are orthodontic devices that would improve my situation, still im 16.

 

[lurking truecel]

Okay I just thought that nowadays there are orthodontic devices that would improve my situation, still im 16.

Yes sure there might be some special devices out there but they are extremely expensive like with imdo

 

[Nameless King]

Where did you see that something was wrong with my teeth?

I’m no dentist, but it was because your mouth is positioned a bit forward in your side profile

Might be an overbite or something?

 

[TritonMTN]

I’m no dentist, but it was because your mouth is positioned a bit forward in your side profile

Might be an overbite or something?

I have the right bite now. my lip and chin look like shit because I used to have a distal bite.

 

[TritonMTN]

Yes sure there might be some special devices out there but they are extremely expensive like with imdo

the problem is not the money, but the fact that I really don't know what will help me or who to turn to.

 

[Nameless King]

I have the right bite now. my lip and chin look like shit because I used to have a distal bite.

doesn’t look like shit, it’s fairly minor

plus orthodontics will help alot