How to actually trade

Seth Walsh

Seth Walsh

Iconoclast
Contributor
Joined
Jan 12, 2020
Posts
9,803
Reputation
19,624
I am making this thread so no one will DM me with the same question.

Will try to be as clear and coherent as possible.

Rule 1. The goal is not smooth returns or being right often. It is no-ruin geometric compounding. Survival first. Treat every risk as if you will take it repeatedly forever, because a small ruin probability repeated enough times becomes ruin.

Behaviour? Nonpredictive, opportunistic, positive-skew. Accept many small losses and a few very large gains. Focus on exposure, not forecasts. It is better to be convex than merely right.

No portfolio leverage. No dependence on stable correlations. No optimizer-driven allocation games. No systematic short-vol/carry that earns pennies and hides a steamroller. No book whose “hedge” only works if markets stay continuous.

What to trade? Trade markets that are liquid and only trade them when they are trending. What is a "trend"? A trend is when price is persistently moving away from a level with momentum.

If bearish, I would use puts, put spreads, or other defined-loss structures, almost never naked shorts.

When I'd trade? When there is a clear TREND, and when downside is explicit and small, upside is multiple times larger, and the trade does not require precision on timing, correlations, or path. When others are forced, benchmarked, levered, or have career risk and I do not. This is why retards always say "Why is Seth saying buy when the price is at an all time high?", not knowing it's the best time to enter. The trend either continues, or breaks. If it breaks, you get out with minimal loss. If it continues you ride it out. Forced selling/buying from stoploss clusters and collective liquidation levels can push price if your favour; then your only job is to protect the downside by placing your stoploss.

When would I not trade?: In ALL other market conditions.

When would I especially not trade?: When the edge is mostly a story. When the book needs calm markets to survive. When the PnL is suspiciously smooth. When I feel pressure to be active. When I cannot explain the worst-case loss in one sentence.

In conclusion:

I trade rarely, hold a lot of dry powder, tolerate looking wrong or inactive for long stretches, and build the book so disorder helps me more than it hurts me.

Roller Coaster Dog GIF by SkyDog Social
 
  • +1
Reactions: lnceIs, Aldi, Duckmaxxer and 6 others
high iq + mirin + bookmarked
 
  • +1
Reactions: Aldi, Pony and Seth Walsh
was this thread made cuz of our yesterday talk?
 
  • +1
Reactions: Aldi
high iq + mirin + bookmarked
Thanks.

Remember, trading every day is something hedge funds must only do because investors need daily/weekly/monthly reporting. To assume that hedge fund or discretionary/systematic strategies from non-HFTs are profitable across regimes is nonsense.

I always hear people saying "hedge funds" have edge or inside info. They don't, unless they are actually doing insider trading. Their obligation to trade daily, across a defined contract set, is one of the biggest performance dampeners for them. Their goal is to gather external AUM and skim the fees. Different incentive structure altogether. The selling point of many hedge fund strats is to deliver "absolute returns", which basically means a cumulative RoR stream that's structurally decorrelated to the main US equity indices.

The high frequency trading firms play a different game again. Yes, they do make money every day. And they do trade every day. And no, no one can compete.

Discretionary trading success actually comes down to pretty simple things. 1) Survival. 2) Trading only when the markets are ripe. 3) Cutting short your losses, letting your winners run on. 4) Compounding your home runs

Rule 0 is to basically ensure it's impossible for any trade to blow your bankroll.
 
  • +1
Reactions: Aldi and Seven
Thanks.

Remember, trading every day is something hedge funds must only do because investors need daily/weekly/monthly reporting. To assume that hedge fund or discretionary/systematic strategies from non-HFTs are profitable across regimes is nonsense.

I always hear people saying "hedge funds" have edge or inside info. They don't, unless they are actually doing insider trading. Their obligation to trade daily, across a defined contract set, is one of the biggest performance dampeners for them. Their goal is to gather external AUM and skim the fees. Different incentive structure altogether. The selling point of many hedge fund strats is to deliver "absolute returns", which basically means a cumulative RoR stream that's structurally decorrelated to the main US equity indices.

The high frequency trading firms play a different game again. Yes, they do make money every day. And they do trade every day. And no, no one can compete.

Discretionary trading success actually comes down to pretty simple things. 1) Survival. 2) Trading only when the markets are ripe. 3) Cutting short your losses, letting your winners run on. 4) Compounding your home runs

Rule 0 is to basically ensure it's impossible for any trade to blow your bankroll.
i see
thanks man

tag me in yo threads
they are hella helpful
so i wont miss
 
  • +1
Reactions: Aldi
i see
thanks man

tag me in yo threads
they are hella helpful
so i wont miss
I will start tagging you once you prove yourself.
 
  • Hmm...
  • +1
Reactions: Aldi and Seven
Goat of the money making sub section
 
  • +1
  • Love it
Reactions: Seth Walsh, Seven and Aldi
I have no idea how to trade, or any thing crypto. My cousin was big into this since 2013 and my friend aswell since 2021. My brain just can’t grasp trading and how it works and stuff.
 

Similar threads

Blondetall_Chadlite
Replies
8
Views
643
sklzto_
sklzto_
Seth Walsh
Replies
13
Views
299
Seth Walsh
Seth Walsh
Miami
Replies
82
Views
513
Miami
Miami
SBHBmozuchi
Replies
33
Views
720
swordsinsanee
swordsinsanee

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top