HOW TO BECOME LIKE RICHARD RAMIREZ & TRENBOLONE ACETATE

[billysexcrime]

he was fat in young pics thats why you cant see his bones hahaha

 

[billymidnight]

how to become like Ramirez (Big bones, hollow cheeks, low inhib)

ALSO THE EFFECTS OF TRENBOLONE ACETATE (RICHARD RAMIREZ USED TRENBOLONE ACETATE)

THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR REAL MEN THAT ARENT SCARED TO INJECT NEEDLES, NOT FOR PUSSIES.

WITH THIS GUIDE YOU WON'T LIVE LONG BTW, LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG

1. Trenbolone
The most important part, Ramirez himself used trenbolone. Gives big bones and makes you low inhib.
About the health complications part that will come with the Tren, dw about it, unless you overdose like a retard. This will still shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years but who cares, live fast die young. Would you rather live a long life as an incel or a short life as a beast who got all the pussy.

Basically ramirez, died at which age, like 50? But had a crazy life tbh.

WILL:
Reduce UEE (better orbitals)
More compact orbitals
Visible ogee curve, even from the front in bad lighting
Very well defined prominent cheekbones
Strong browridge
Strong nose bridge
Well defined projected masculine chin
Strong jaw

IDEALLY, start with 0.4 or 0.5 grams. You don't wanna go too high because then you will have to use aromatase inhibitors or else you'll get gynecomastia and shit. And you definitely wouldn't want to use aromatase inhibitors because ramirez was high estrogen.

2. Starvemaxxing
You don't have to starve, either use DNP, clenbuterol or T3/T4 along with a calorie deficit, also hop on keto diet.

3. Other steroids (optional)
Other steroids..other than trenbolone, testosterone is good but none of them are as strong as tren, tren will make you low inhib and give u big bones af

YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE IF YOU KINDA WANT TO BE LIKE RAMIREZ BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DID, WASN'T A GENETIC FREAK OF NATURE OR ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE USED TO LOOK LIKE WHEN HE WAS 18 THEN LOOK AT HIM AT 20, HE USED TREN. I MEAN YOU'LL SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN BUT YOUR PREFERENCE.

GYMCELLING IS OPTIONAL BTW YOU CAN IF YOU WANT BUT NOT NECESSARY.

INB4 SOMEONE REACTS WITH JFL OR CALLS ME A TROLL
I'm not trolling, or this guide wasn't made to be reacted with the JFL emoji. Literally what ramirez did, yes, this guide will affect your overall health but it's all your choice after all. Me personally, I might do this myself for the bones, inhibition and other. Also look at lots of bodybuilders that use steroids but don't abuse them, they live long actually, the ones that live short are retards who overdosed. Arnold is like 70 rn.

BONES ARE LIFE
View attachment 2832018View attachment 2832020

DECENT PROOF RAMIREZ USED STEROIDS
THIS IS HIM AT YOUNG AGE
View attachment 2832021
View attachment 2832024

WEAK BONES AND SO CHILDISH LOOKING. TREN REALLY MATURED HIM HARD AND GAVE HIM INSANE BONES. LITERALLY CHANGED HIS WHOLE FACE. THE FIRST PIC WHEN HE WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, THE SECOND PIC WHEN HE WAS 18 WITH THE USA FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND. THE TRANSFORMATION OF HIM FROM 18 TO 20 IS FUCKING INSANE.

View attachment 2832030

LOOK AT HIM AT 20, INSANE CHANGE IN BONES AND OVERALL FACE. THAT'S JUST THE EFFECT OF TREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NATURAL BONES WITHOUT TREN OR ANY SURGERIES LIKE TYLER MAHER, HE HAD IT FROM CHILDHOOD, BUT RAMIREZ DIDN'T HAVE IN CHILDHOOD BUTr HE HAD IT IN ADULTHOOD BECAUSE HE USED TREN, HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS BTW THAT'S WHERE HE GOT HIS TREN, HE MIGHT HAVE USED TESTOSTERONE TOO BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, DEFINITELY USED TREN THOUGH.

HE WAS A LOWLIFE WHO LIVED LIKE SHIT, SHIT DIET, SHIT SLEEP. IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN, HOW DO YOU RETARDS THINK HE COULD'VE WENT AND KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE AT NIGHT, WHERE WOULD HE GET THE MOTIVATION IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO DO IT WITHOUT TREN.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN HIS BLOOD TEST IT SAID 1950 NG/DL. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE NATURALLY CONSIDERING HE HAD SHIT DIET AND SHIT SLEEP. NOT EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE WITH THE BEST SLEEP, DIET AND TRAINING. 1950 NG/DL IS FUCKING NUTS. DEFINITELY USED STEROIDS LIKE TRENBOLONE ACETATE OR TESTOSTERONE.

ALSO LOOK AT HIS FRAME, FUCKING INSANE WIDE CLAVICLES AND THEN LOOK AT HIS FRAME WHEN HE WAS A KID. INSANE DIFFERENCE. WITHOUT TREN HIS CLAVICLES WOULDN'T GROW THAT MUCH.

INB4 "HE WAS JUST A LATE BLOOMER" NOTE THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PROSTITUTE WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, SAID BY RAMIREZ HIMSELF IN A QUESTIONNAIRE SO HE DEFINITELY WASN'T A LATE BLOOMER. IF ANYTHING EARLY BLOOMER. SHOWS HOW STRONG TREN IS.

HE ALSO HAS DEEP VOICE, TREN IS KNOWN TO MAKE VOICE DEEPER. BODYBUILDERS VOICE GETS DEEPER AFTER TREN. DO YOU THINK A SOYBOY THAT ATE LIKE SHIT AND SLEPT LIKE SHIT WOULD HAVE A DEEP VOICE LIKE THAT WITHOUT TREN? HE USED TREN. REMEMBER HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS THAT HAD ACCESS TO STEROIDS.

REMEMBER HIS SLEEP AND DIET WAS SHIT, SO HE WOULD HAVE LOW LIBIDO AND LOW TEST BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HE HAD 1950 NG/DL FROM TREN (IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 1950NGDL WITHOUT STEROIDS) WHICH GAVE HIM INSANE HIGH LIBIDO AND HE HAD THE MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND RAPE (JUST SHOWING SIGNS THAT HE WAS ON TREN, I DONT SUPPORT RAPE OR ANY DEGENERATE SHIT LIKE THAT)

THIS DUDE HAD EVERY SIGN OF TREN JFL. ACNE ON CHIN TOO. EVERY SINGLE SIGN OF TREN.

Whole thread based on a Mexican haha

 

[Rea]

I'm buying some tren tonight

 

[smashingdirty6s]

how to become like Ramirez (Big bones, hollow cheeks, low inhib)

ALSO THE EFFECTS OF TRENBOLONE ACETATE (RICHARD RAMIREZ USED TRENBOLONE ACETATE)

THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR REAL MEN THAT ARENT SCARED TO INJECT NEEDLES, NOT FOR PUSSIES.

WITH THIS GUIDE YOU WON'T LIVE LONG BTW, LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG

1. Trenbolone
The most important part, Ramirez himself used trenbolone. Gives big bones and makes you low inhib.
About the health complications part that will come with the Tren, dw about it, unless you overdose like a retard. This will still shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years but who cares, live fast die young. Would you rather live a long life as an incel or a short life as a beast who got all the pussy.

Basically ramirez, died at which age, like 50? But had a crazy life tbh.

WILL:
Reduce UEE (better orbitals)
More compact orbitals
Visible ogee curve, even from the front in bad lighting
Very well defined prominent cheekbones
Strong browridge
Strong nose bridge
Well defined projected masculine chin
Strong jaw

IDEALLY, start with 0.4 or 0.5 grams. You don't wanna go too high because then you will have to use aromatase inhibitors or else you'll get gynecomastia and shit. And you definitely wouldn't want to use aromatase inhibitors because ramirez was high estrogen.

2. Starvemaxxing
You don't have to starve, either use DNP, clenbuterol or T3/T4 along with a calorie deficit, also hop on keto diet.

3. Other steroids (optional)
Other steroids..other than trenbolone, testosterone is good but none of them are as strong as tren, tren will make you low inhib and give u big bones af

YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE IF YOU KINDA WANT TO BE LIKE RAMIREZ BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DID, WASN'T A GENETIC FREAK OF NATURE OR ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE USED TO LOOK LIKE WHEN HE WAS 18 THEN LOOK AT HIM AT 20, HE USED TREN. I MEAN YOU'LL SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN BUT YOUR PREFERENCE.

GYMCELLING IS OPTIONAL BTW YOU CAN IF YOU WANT BUT NOT NECESSARY.

INB4 SOMEONE REACTS WITH JFL OR CALLS ME A TROLL
I'm not trolling, or this guide wasn't made to be reacted with the JFL emoji. Literally what ramirez did, yes, this guide will affect your overall health but it's all your choice after all. Me personally, I might do this myself for the bones, inhibition and other. Also look at lots of bodybuilders that use steroids but don't abuse them, they live long actually, the ones that live short are retards who overdosed. Arnold is like 70 rn.

BONES ARE LIFE
View attachment 2832018View attachment 2832020

DECENT PROOF RAMIREZ USED STEROIDS
THIS IS HIM AT YOUNG AGE
View attachment 2832021
View attachment 2832024

WEAK BONES AND SO CHILDISH LOOKING. TREN REALLY MATURED HIM HARD AND GAVE HIM INSANE BONES. LITERALLY CHANGED HIS WHOLE FACE. THE FIRST PIC WHEN HE WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, THE SECOND PIC WHEN HE WAS 18 WITH THE USA FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND. THE TRANSFORMATION OF HIM FROM 18 TO 20 IS FUCKING INSANE.

View attachment 2832030

LOOK AT HIM AT 20, INSANE CHANGE IN BONES AND OVERALL FACE. THAT'S JUST THE EFFECT OF TREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NATURAL BONES WITHOUT TREN OR ANY SURGERIES LIKE TYLER MAHER, HE HAD IT FROM CHILDHOOD, BUT RAMIREZ DIDN'T HAVE IN CHILDHOOD BUTr HE HAD IT IN ADULTHOOD BECAUSE HE USED TREN, HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS BTW THAT'S WHERE HE GOT HIS TREN, HE MIGHT HAVE USED TESTOSTERONE TOO BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, DEFINITELY USED TREN THOUGH.

HE WAS A LOWLIFE WHO LIVED LIKE SHIT, SHIT DIET, SHIT SLEEP. IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN, HOW DO YOU RETARDS THINK HE COULD'VE WENT AND KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE AT NIGHT, WHERE WOULD HE GET THE MOTIVATION IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO DO IT WITHOUT TREN.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN HIS BLOOD TEST IT SAID 1950 NG/DL. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE NATURALLY CONSIDERING HE HAD SHIT DIET AND SHIT SLEEP. NOT EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE WITH THE BEST SLEEP, DIET AND TRAINING. 1950 NG/DL IS FUCKING NUTS. DEFINITELY USED STEROIDS LIKE TRENBOLONE ACETATE OR TESTOSTERONE.

ALSO LOOK AT HIS FRAME, FUCKING INSANE WIDE CLAVICLES AND THEN LOOK AT HIS FRAME WHEN HE WAS A KID. INSANE DIFFERENCE. WITHOUT TREN HIS CLAVICLES WOULDN'T GROW THAT MUCH.

INB4 "HE WAS JUST A LATE BLOOMER" NOTE THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PROSTITUTE WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, SAID BY RAMIREZ HIMSELF IN A QUESTIONNAIRE SO HE DEFINITELY WASN'T A LATE BLOOMER. IF ANYTHING EARLY BLOOMER. SHOWS HOW STRONG TREN IS.

HE ALSO HAS DEEP VOICE, TREN IS KNOWN TO MAKE VOICE DEEPER. BODYBUILDERS VOICE GETS DEEPER AFTER TREN. DO YOU THINK A SOYBOY THAT ATE LIKE SHIT AND SLEPT LIKE SHIT WOULD HAVE A DEEP VOICE LIKE THAT WITHOUT TREN? HE USED TREN. REMEMBER HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS THAT HAD ACCESS TO STEROIDS.

REMEMBER HIS SLEEP AND DIET WAS SHIT, SO HE WOULD HAVE LOW LIBIDO AND LOW TEST BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HE HAD 1950 NG/DL FROM TREN (IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 1950NGDL WITHOUT STEROIDS) WHICH GAVE HIM INSANE HIGH LIBIDO AND HE HAD THE MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND RAPE (JUST SHOWING SIGNS THAT HE WAS ON TREN, I DONT SUPPORT RAPE OR ANY DEGENERATE SHIT LIKE THAT)

THIS DUDE HAD EVERY SIGN OF TREN JFL. ACNE ON CHIN TOO. EVERY SINGLE SIGN OF TREN.

Cope thread. My friend is on tren & test and he looks like shit now. Have good genetics or die a loser

 

[Orc]

you know why he was so skinny and lean?

appetite loss is one of the side effects of hepatitis C, which he had.

 

[actualunderstander]

Terrible advice. Nobody should ever be doing tren. For starters you don't want to be like that guy. He's a psychopath and a terrible person. Second, if you want to have the skinny, meth head look, just lift weights and eat at a calorie deficit and eventually you will have the same look. Dudes like 155 lb at 6 foot. He's skinny

Lastly, you won't have his face if you don't have the bones. The vast majority of people don't have that facial structure. So this post is basically just telling you to destroy your body for an easy to achieve physique, then be a terrible person who cares about nothing but himself and Satan. So don't listen to this OP lol

 

[20/04/2008]

how to become like Ramirez (Big bones, hollow cheeks, low inhib)

ALSO THE EFFECTS OF TRENBOLONE ACETATE (RICHARD RAMIREZ USED TRENBOLONE ACETATE)

THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR REAL MEN THAT ARENT SCARED TO INJECT NEEDLES, NOT FOR PUSSIES.

WITH THIS GUIDE YOU WON'T LIVE LONG BTW, LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG

1. Trenbolone
The most important part, Ramirez himself used trenbolone. Gives big bones and makes you low inhib.
About the health complications part that will come with the Tren, dw about it, unless you overdose like a retard. This will still shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years but who cares, live fast die young. Would you rather live a long life as an incel or a short life as a beast who got all the pussy.

Basically ramirez, died at which age, like 50? But had a crazy life tbh.

WILL:
Reduce UEE (better orbitals)
More compact orbitals
Visible ogee curve, even from the front in bad lighting
Very well defined prominent cheekbones
Strong browridge
Strong nose bridge
Well defined projected masculine chin
Strong jaw

IDEALLY, start with 0.4 or 0.5 grams. You don't wanna go too high because then you will have to use aromatase inhibitors or else you'll get gynecomastia and shit. And you definitely wouldn't want to use aromatase inhibitors because ramirez was high estrogen.

2. Starvemaxxing
You don't have to starve, either use DNP, clenbuterol or T3/T4 along with a calorie deficit, also hop on keto diet.

3. Other steroids (optional)
Other steroids..other than trenbolone, testosterone is good but none of them are as strong as tren, tren will make you low inhib and give u big bones af

YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE IF YOU KINDA WANT TO BE LIKE RAMIREZ BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DID, WASN'T A GENETIC FREAK OF NATURE OR ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE USED TO LOOK LIKE WHEN HE WAS 18 THEN LOOK AT HIM AT 20, HE USED TREN. I MEAN YOU'LL SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN BUT YOUR PREFERENCE.

GYMCELLING IS OPTIONAL BTW YOU CAN IF YOU WANT BUT NOT NECESSARY.

INB4 SOMEONE REACTS WITH JFL OR CALLS ME A TROLL
I'm not trolling, or this guide wasn't made to be reacted with the JFL emoji. Literally what ramirez did, yes, this guide will affect your overall health but it's all your choice after all. Me personally, I might do this myself for the bones, inhibition and other. Also look at lots of bodybuilders that use steroids but don't abuse them, they live long actually, the ones that live short are retards who overdosed. Arnold is like 70 rn.

BONES ARE LIFE
View attachment 2832018View attachment 2832020

DECENT PROOF RAMIREZ USED STEROIDS
THIS IS HIM AT YOUNG AGE
View attachment 2832021
View attachment 2832024

WEAK BONES AND SO CHILDISH LOOKING. TREN REALLY MATURED HIM HARD AND GAVE HIM INSANE BONES. LITERALLY CHANGED HIS WHOLE FACE. THE FIRST PIC WHEN HE WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, THE SECOND PIC WHEN HE WAS 18 WITH THE USA FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND. THE TRANSFORMATION OF HIM FROM 18 TO 20 IS FUCKING INSANE.

View attachment 2832030

LOOK AT HIM AT 20, INSANE CHANGE IN BONES AND OVERALL FACE. THAT'S JUST THE EFFECT OF TREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NATURAL BONES WITHOUT TREN OR ANY SURGERIES LIKE TYLER MAHER, HE HAD IT FROM CHILDHOOD, BUT RAMIREZ DIDN'T HAVE IN CHILDHOOD BUTr HE HAD IT IN ADULTHOOD BECAUSE HE USED TREN, HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS BTW THAT'S WHERE HE GOT HIS TREN, HE MIGHT HAVE USED TESTOSTERONE TOO BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, DEFINITELY USED TREN THOUGH.

HE WAS A LOWLIFE WHO LIVED LIKE SHIT, SHIT DIET, SHIT SLEEP. IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN, HOW DO YOU RETARDS THINK HE COULD'VE WENT AND KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE AT NIGHT, WHERE WOULD HE GET THE MOTIVATION IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO DO IT WITHOUT TREN.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN HIS BLOOD TEST IT SAID 1950 NG/DL. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE NATURALLY CONSIDERING HE HAD SHIT DIET AND SHIT SLEEP. NOT EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE WITH THE BEST SLEEP, DIET AND TRAINING. 1950 NG/DL IS FUCKING NUTS. DEFINITELY USED STEROIDS LIKE TRENBOLONE ACETATE OR TESTOSTERONE.

ALSO LOOK AT HIS FRAME, FUCKING INSANE WIDE CLAVICLES AND THEN LOOK AT HIS FRAME WHEN HE WAS A KID. INSANE DIFFERENCE. WITHOUT TREN HIS CLAVICLES WOULDN'T GROW THAT MUCH.

INB4 "HE WAS JUST A LATE BLOOMER" NOTE THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PROSTITUTE WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, SAID BY RAMIREZ HIMSELF IN A QUESTIONNAIRE SO HE DEFINITELY WASN'T A LATE BLOOMER. IF ANYTHING EARLY BLOOMER. SHOWS HOW STRONG TREN IS.

HE ALSO HAS DEEP VOICE, TREN IS KNOWN TO MAKE VOICE DEEPER. BODYBUILDERS VOICE GETS DEEPER AFTER TREN. DO YOU THINK A SOYBOY THAT ATE LIKE SHIT AND SLEPT LIKE SHIT WOULD HAVE A DEEP VOICE LIKE THAT WITHOUT TREN? HE USED TREN. REMEMBER HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS THAT HAD ACCESS TO STEROIDS.

REMEMBER HIS SLEEP AND DIET WAS SHIT, SO HE WOULD HAVE LOW LIBIDO AND LOW TEST BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HE HAD 1950 NG/DL FROM TREN (IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 1950NGDL WITHOUT STEROIDS) WHICH GAVE HIM INSANE HIGH LIBIDO AND HE HAD THE MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND RAPE (JUST SHOWING SIGNS THAT HE WAS ON TREN, I DONT SUPPORT RAPE OR ANY DEGENERATE SHIT LIKE THAT)

THIS DUDE HAD EVERY SIGN OF TREN JFL. ACNE ON CHIN TOO. EVERY SINGLE SIGN OF TREN.

not reading allat suck my mog

 

[20/04/2008]

how to become like Ramirez (Big bones, hollow cheeks, low inhib)

ALSO THE EFFECTS OF TRENBOLONE ACETATE (RICHARD RAMIREZ USED TRENBOLONE ACETATE)

THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR REAL MEN THAT ARENT SCARED TO INJECT NEEDLES, NOT FOR PUSSIES.

WITH THIS GUIDE YOU WON'T LIVE LONG BTW, LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG

1. Trenbolone
The most important part, Ramirez himself used trenbolone. Gives big bones and makes you low inhib.
About the health complications part that will come with the Tren, dw about it, unless you overdose like a retard. This will still shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years but who cares, live fast die young. Would you rather live a long life as an incel or a short life as a beast who got all the pussy.

Basically ramirez, died at which age, like 50? But had a crazy life tbh.

WILL:
Reduce UEE (better orbitals)
More compact orbitals
Visible ogee curve, even from the front in bad lighting
Very well defined prominent cheekbones
Strong browridge
Strong nose bridge
Well defined projected masculine chin
Strong jaw

IDEALLY, start with 0.4 or 0.5 grams. You don't wanna go too high because then you will have to use aromatase inhibitors or else you'll get gynecomastia and shit. And you definitely wouldn't want to use aromatase inhibitors because ramirez was high estrogen.

2. Starvemaxxing
You don't have to starve, either use DNP, clenbuterol or T3/T4 along with a calorie deficit, also hop on keto diet.

3. Other steroids (optional)
Other steroids..other than trenbolone, testosterone is good but none of them are as strong as tren, tren will make you low inhib and give u big bones af

YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE IF YOU KINDA WANT TO BE LIKE RAMIREZ BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DID, WASN'T A GENETIC FREAK OF NATURE OR ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE USED TO LOOK LIKE WHEN HE WAS 18 THEN LOOK AT HIM AT 20, HE USED TREN. I MEAN YOU'LL SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN BUT YOUR PREFERENCE.

GYMCELLING IS OPTIONAL BTW YOU CAN IF YOU WANT BUT NOT NECESSARY.

INB4 SOMEONE REACTS WITH JFL OR CALLS ME A TROLL
I'm not trolling, or this guide wasn't made to be reacted with the JFL emoji. Literally what ramirez did, yes, this guide will affect your overall health but it's all your choice after all. Me personally, I might do this myself for the bones, inhibition and other. Also look at lots of bodybuilders that use steroids but don't abuse them, they live long actually, the ones that live short are retards who overdosed. Arnold is like 70 rn.

BONES ARE LIFE
View attachment 2832018View attachment 2832020

DECENT PROOF RAMIREZ USED STEROIDS
THIS IS HIM AT YOUNG AGE
View attachment 2832021
View attachment 2832024

WEAK BONES AND SO CHILDISH LOOKING. TREN REALLY MATURED HIM HARD AND GAVE HIM INSANE BONES. LITERALLY CHANGED HIS WHOLE FACE. THE FIRST PIC WHEN HE WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, THE SECOND PIC WHEN HE WAS 18 WITH THE USA FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND. THE TRANSFORMATION OF HIM FROM 18 TO 20 IS FUCKING INSANE.

View attachment 2832030

LOOK AT HIM AT 20, INSANE CHANGE IN BONES AND OVERALL FACE. THAT'S JUST THE EFFECT OF TREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NATURAL BONES WITHOUT TREN OR ANY SURGERIES LIKE TYLER MAHER, HE HAD IT FROM CHILDHOOD, BUT RAMIREZ DIDN'T HAVE IN CHILDHOOD BUTr HE HAD IT IN ADULTHOOD BECAUSE HE USED TREN, HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS BTW THAT'S WHERE HE GOT HIS TREN, HE MIGHT HAVE USED TESTOSTERONE TOO BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, DEFINITELY USED TREN THOUGH.

HE WAS A LOWLIFE WHO LIVED LIKE SHIT, SHIT DIET, SHIT SLEEP. IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN, HOW DO YOU RETARDS THINK HE COULD'VE WENT AND KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE AT NIGHT, WHERE WOULD HE GET THE MOTIVATION IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO DO IT WITHOUT TREN.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN HIS BLOOD TEST IT SAID 1950 NG/DL. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE NATURALLY CONSIDERING HE HAD SHIT DIET AND SHIT SLEEP. NOT EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE WITH THE BEST SLEEP, DIET AND TRAINING. 1950 NG/DL IS FUCKING NUTS. DEFINITELY USED STEROIDS LIKE TRENBOLONE ACETATE OR TESTOSTERONE.

ALSO LOOK AT HIS FRAME, FUCKING INSANE WIDE CLAVICLES AND THEN LOOK AT HIS FRAME WHEN HE WAS A KID. INSANE DIFFERENCE. WITHOUT TREN HIS CLAVICLES WOULDN'T GROW THAT MUCH.

INB4 "HE WAS JUST A LATE BLOOMER" NOTE THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PROSTITUTE WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, SAID BY RAMIREZ HIMSELF IN A QUESTIONNAIRE SO HE DEFINITELY WASN'T A LATE BLOOMER. IF ANYTHING EARLY BLOOMER. SHOWS HOW STRONG TREN IS.

HE ALSO HAS DEEP VOICE, TREN IS KNOWN TO MAKE VOICE DEEPER. BODYBUILDERS VOICE GETS DEEPER AFTER TREN. DO YOU THINK A SOYBOY THAT ATE LIKE SHIT AND SLEPT LIKE SHIT WOULD HAVE A DEEP VOICE LIKE THAT WITHOUT TREN? HE USED TREN. REMEMBER HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS THAT HAD ACCESS TO STEROIDS.

REMEMBER HIS SLEEP AND DIET WAS SHIT, SO HE WOULD HAVE LOW LIBIDO AND LOW TEST BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HE HAD 1950 NG/DL FROM TREN (IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 1950NGDL WITHOUT STEROIDS) WHICH GAVE HIM INSANE HIGH LIBIDO AND HE HAD THE MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND RAPE (JUST SHOWING SIGNS THAT HE WAS ON TREN, I DONT SUPPORT RAPE OR ANY DEGENERATE SHIT LIKE THAT)

THIS DUDE HAD EVERY SIGN OF TREN JFL. ACNE ON CHIN TOO. EVERY SINGLE SIGN OF TREN.

tren dosesnt increase testosterone on bloodwork and no ramirez might have been using just using like 250 mg test cypionate or something to get 1900 mg cause ive seen people on 150 mg with 1000 tio 1250 ng per dl with an androgenic coumpound like a dht deriavtive cause it would have closed his growth plates that supposing in reality hernan dargo probably did nothing and everything you said about his test or that photo with a vial is fake

 

[20/04/2008]

probably will on low doses dont wanna ruin my health too much

and you tell me im crazy literraly 100 mg of tren is more taxing than my whole thread

 

[20/04/2008]

Terrible advice. Nobody should ever be doing tren. For starters you don't want to be like that guy. He's a psychopath and a terrible person. Second, if you want to have the skinny, meth head look, just lift weights and eat at a calorie deficit and eventually you will have the same look. Dudes like 155 lb at 6 foot. He's skinny

Lastly, you won't have his face if you don't have the bones. The vast majority of people don't have that facial structure. So this post is basically just telling you to destroy your body for an easy to achieve physique, then be a terrible person who cares about nothing but himself and Satan. So don't listen to this OP lol

steroids can change your bone structure bt the problem is out of all steroids he chose tren also tren doesnt increase testosterone levels onn bloodwork he was probably using like 250 mg of test enanthate i dont see him lifting weight or something i am sure it waas pprobably for the mental effect or for the libido effects

 

[20/04/2008]

Cope thread. My friend is on tren & test and he looks like shit now. Have good genetics or die a loser

genetics dose depondent response to drugs androgen receptor and so many other factorss

 

[20/04/2008]

he didnt use tren for his looks he used it for fun

i would have laughed but knowing this motherfucker yes he probably did it for that reason

 

[20/04/2008]

His cousin was like apparently a bodybuilder, so he had access to PEDs. I think he engaged in it, but I don't think that alone gave him his look, obviously.

my theory is that his that he had the genetics and is a gigh responder to gear but his hormones were fucked from the diet drugs sleep ect so when he strated taking test not tren in my opinion his bone mass skyrocketed also their s evidence that malnourished kids grow later in life

 

[RealNinja]

“Start low with 400-500mg of Tren”

 

[20/04/2008]

he was fat in young pics thats why you cant see his bones hahaha

He grew some bone mass you can’t deny it

 

[rrm_ss2]

DM ramirez lawyer he has the blood test and he actually responds to instagram DMs. dm him on insta.

You retarded fuck his lawyer died in 2010

 

[asdvek]

You retarded fuck his lawyer died in 2010

I meant sherrif detectives not lawyer, and watch ur mouth u fucking bitch or ill anal fuck ur mother

 

[rrm_ss2]

I meant sherrif detectives not lawyer, and watch ur mouth u fucking bitch or ill anal fuck ur mother

Nigga stfu with your fake ass threads almost everything you said was wrong none of his family members were body builders and he just had insane genetics fucking retarded subhuman

 

[asdvek]

Nigga stfu with your fake ass threads almost everything you said was wrong none of his family members were body builders and he just had insane genetics fucking retarded subhuman

They're true pal. Look in other pages there's even tren vial in his personal stuff. You just wanna believe what you want to. Keep coping. Or man up and inject tren. I hope you fucking die from cancer btw and your whole family suffers their whole lives and your bloodline completely ends and dies.

 

[Deleted member 78087]

how to become like Ramirez (Big bones, hollow cheeks, low inhib)

ALSO THE EFFECTS OF TRENBOLONE ACETATE (RICHARD RAMIREZ USED TRENBOLONE ACETATE)

THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR REAL MEN THAT ARENT SCARED TO INJECT NEEDLES, NOT FOR PUSSIES.

WITH THIS GUIDE YOU WON'T LIVE LONG BTW, LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG

1. Trenbolone
The most important part, Ramirez himself used trenbolone. Gives big bones and makes you low inhib.
About the health complications part that will come with the Tren, dw about it, unless you overdose like a retard. This will still shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years but who cares, live fast die young. Would you rather live a long life as an incel or a short life as a beast who got all the pussy.

Basically ramirez, died at which age, like 50? But had a crazy life tbh.

WILL:
Reduce UEE (better orbitals)
More compact orbitals
Visible ogee curve, even from the front in bad lighting
Very well defined prominent cheekbones
Strong browridge
Strong nose bridge
Well defined projected masculine chin
Strong jaw

IDEALLY, start with 0.4 or 0.5 grams. You don't wanna go too high because then you will have to use aromatase inhibitors or else you'll get gynecomastia and shit. And you definitely wouldn't want to use aromatase inhibitors because ramirez was high estrogen.

2. Starvemaxxing
You don't have to starve, either use DNP, clenbuterol or T3/T4 along with a calorie deficit, also hop on keto diet.

3. Other steroids (optional)
Other steroids..other than trenbolone, testosterone is good but none of them are as strong as tren, tren will make you low inhib and give u big bones af

YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE IF YOU KINDA WANT TO BE LIKE RAMIREZ BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DID, WASN'T A GENETIC FREAK OF NATURE OR ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE USED TO LOOK LIKE WHEN HE WAS 18 THEN LOOK AT HIM AT 20, HE USED TREN. I MEAN YOU'LL SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN BUT YOUR PREFERENCE.

GYMCELLING IS OPTIONAL BTW YOU CAN IF YOU WANT BUT NOT NECESSARY.

INB4 SOMEONE REACTS WITH JFL OR CALLS ME A TROLL
I'm not trolling, or this guide wasn't made to be reacted with the JFL emoji. Literally what ramirez did, yes, this guide will affect your overall health but it's all your choice after all. Me personally, I might do this myself for the bones, inhibition and other. Also look at lots of bodybuilders that use steroids but don't abuse them, they live long actually, the ones that live short are retards who overdosed. Arnold is like 70 rn.

BONES ARE LIFE
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DECENT PROOF RAMIREZ USED STEROIDS
THIS IS HIM AT YOUNG AGE
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WEAK BONES AND SO CHILDISH LOOKING. TREN REALLY MATURED HIM HARD AND GAVE HIM INSANE BONES. LITERALLY CHANGED HIS WHOLE FACE. THE FIRST PIC WHEN HE WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, THE SECOND PIC WHEN HE WAS 18 WITH THE USA FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND. THE TRANSFORMATION OF HIM FROM 18 TO 20 IS FUCKING INSANE.

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LOOK AT HIM AT 20, INSANE CHANGE IN BONES AND OVERALL FACE. THAT'S JUST THE EFFECT OF TREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NATURAL BONES WITHOUT TREN OR ANY SURGERIES LIKE TYLER MAHER, HE HAD IT FROM CHILDHOOD, BUT RAMIREZ DIDN'T HAVE IN CHILDHOOD BUTr HE HAD IT IN ADULTHOOD BECAUSE HE USED TREN, HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS BTW THAT'S WHERE HE GOT HIS TREN, HE MIGHT HAVE USED TESTOSTERONE TOO BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, DEFINITELY USED TREN THOUGH.

HE WAS A LOWLIFE WHO LIVED LIKE SHIT, SHIT DIET, SHIT SLEEP. IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN, HOW DO YOU RETARDS THINK HE COULD'VE WENT AND KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE AT NIGHT, WHERE WOULD HE GET THE MOTIVATION IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO DO IT WITHOUT TREN.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN HIS BLOOD TEST IT SAID 1950 NG/DL. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE NATURALLY CONSIDERING HE HAD SHIT DIET AND SHIT SLEEP. NOT EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE WITH THE BEST SLEEP, DIET AND TRAINING. 1950 NG/DL IS FUCKING NUTS. DEFINITELY USED STEROIDS LIKE TRENBOLONE ACETATE OR TESTOSTERONE.

ALSO LOOK AT HIS FRAME, FUCKING INSANE WIDE CLAVICLES AND THEN LOOK AT HIS FRAME WHEN HE WAS A KID. INSANE DIFFERENCE. WITHOUT TREN HIS CLAVICLES WOULDN'T GROW THAT MUCH.

INB4 "HE WAS JUST A LATE BLOOMER" NOTE THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PROSTITUTE WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, SAID BY RAMIREZ HIMSELF IN A QUESTIONNAIRE SO HE DEFINITELY WASN'T A LATE BLOOMER. IF ANYTHING EARLY BLOOMER. SHOWS HOW STRONG TREN IS.

HE ALSO HAS DEEP VOICE, TREN IS KNOWN TO MAKE VOICE DEEPER. BODYBUILDERS VOICE GETS DEEPER AFTER TREN. DO YOU THINK A SOYBOY THAT ATE LIKE SHIT AND SLEPT LIKE SHIT WOULD HAVE A DEEP VOICE LIKE THAT WITHOUT TREN? HE USED TREN. REMEMBER HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS THAT HAD ACCESS TO STEROIDS.

REMEMBER HIS SLEEP AND DIET WAS SHIT, SO HE WOULD HAVE LOW LIBIDO AND LOW TEST BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HE HAD 1950 NG/DL FROM TREN (IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 1950NGDL WITHOUT STEROIDS) WHICH GAVE HIM INSANE HIGH LIBIDO AND HE HAD THE MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND RAPE (JUST SHOWING SIGNS THAT HE WAS ON TREN, I DONT SUPPORT RAPE OR ANY DEGENERATE SHIT LIKE THAT)

THIS DUDE HAD EVERY SIGN OF TREN JFL. ACNE ON CHIN TOO. EVERY SINGLE SIGN OF TREN.

Nigga said start with 0.5 grams

 

[rrm_ss2]

They're true pal. Look in other pages there's even tren vial in his personal stuff. You just wanna believe what you want to. Keep coping. Or man up and inject tren. I hope you fucking die from cancer btw and your whole family suffers their whole lives and your bloodline completely ends and dies.

Nigga literally none of the people who were involved in his case have an instagram account fucking retarded nigger

 

[asdvek]

Nigga literally none of the people who were involved in his case have an instagram account fucking retarded nigger

They do search it up and kys faggot i hope u die

 

[rrm_ss2]

They do search it up and kys faggot i hope u die

nigga no literally none of the people who were involved in his case have an instagram account you retarded faggot kys nigger

 

[asdvek]

nigga no literally none of the people who were involved in his case have an instagram account you retarded faggot kys nigger

I HOPE U DIE HAAHAHAHHA I HOPE UR FAMILY DIES BAHAAHHAA

 

[halloweed]

how to become like Ramirez (Big bones, hollow cheeks, low inhib)

ALSO THE EFFECTS OF TRENBOLONE ACETATE (RICHARD RAMIREZ USED TRENBOLONE ACETATE)

THIS GUIDE IS ONLY FOR REAL MEN THAT ARENT SCARED TO INJECT NEEDLES, NOT FOR PUSSIES.

WITH THIS GUIDE YOU WON'T LIVE LONG BTW, LIVE FAST DIE YOUNG

1. Trenbolone
The most important part, Ramirez himself used trenbolone. Gives big bones and makes you low inhib.
About the health complications part that will come with the Tren, dw about it, unless you overdose like a retard. This will still shorten your lifespan by 10 to 20 years but who cares, live fast die young. Would you rather live a long life as an incel or a short life as a beast who got all the pussy.

Basically ramirez, died at which age, like 50? But had a crazy life tbh.

WILL:
Reduce UEE (better orbitals)
More compact orbitals
Visible ogee curve, even from the front in bad lighting
Very well defined prominent cheekbones
Strong browridge
Strong nose bridge
Well defined projected masculine chin
Strong jaw

IDEALLY, start with 0.4 or 0.5 grams. You don't wanna go too high because then you will have to use aromatase inhibitors or else you'll get gynecomastia and shit. And you definitely wouldn't want to use aromatase inhibitors because ramirez was high estrogen.

2. Starvemaxxing
You don't have to starve, either use DNP, clenbuterol or T3/T4 along with a calorie deficit, also hop on keto diet.

3. Other steroids (optional)
Other steroids..other than trenbolone, testosterone is good but none of them are as strong as tren, tren will make you low inhib and give u big bones af

YOU CAN DO ALL OF THESE IF YOU KINDA WANT TO BE LIKE RAMIREZ BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DID, WASN'T A GENETIC FREAK OF NATURE OR ANYTHING JUST LOOK AT WHAT HE USED TO LOOK LIKE WHEN HE WAS 18 THEN LOOK AT HIM AT 20, HE USED TREN. I MEAN YOU'LL SHORTEN YOUR LIFESPAN BUT YOUR PREFERENCE.

GYMCELLING IS OPTIONAL BTW YOU CAN IF YOU WANT BUT NOT NECESSARY.

INB4 SOMEONE REACTS WITH JFL OR CALLS ME A TROLL
I'm not trolling, or this guide wasn't made to be reacted with the JFL emoji. Literally what ramirez did, yes, this guide will affect your overall health but it's all your choice after all. Me personally, I might do this myself for the bones, inhibition and other. Also look at lots of bodybuilders that use steroids but don't abuse them, they live long actually, the ones that live short are retards who overdosed. Arnold is like 70 rn.

BONES ARE LIFE
View attachment 2832018View attachment 2832020

DECENT PROOF RAMIREZ USED STEROIDS
THIS IS HIM AT YOUNG AGE
View attachment 2832021
View attachment 2832024

WEAK BONES AND SO CHILDISH LOOKING. TREN REALLY MATURED HIM HARD AND GAVE HIM INSANE BONES. LITERALLY CHANGED HIS WHOLE FACE. THE FIRST PIC WHEN HE WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL, THE SECOND PIC WHEN HE WAS 18 WITH THE USA FLAG IN THE BACKGROUND. THE TRANSFORMATION OF HIM FROM 18 TO 20 IS FUCKING INSANE.

View attachment 2832030

LOOK AT HIM AT 20, INSANE CHANGE IN BONES AND OVERALL FACE. THAT'S JUST THE EFFECT OF TREN.

IF YOU LOOK AT PEOPLE THAT HAVE NATURAL BONES WITHOUT TREN OR ANY SURGERIES LIKE TYLER MAHER, HE HAD IT FROM CHILDHOOD, BUT RAMIREZ DIDN'T HAVE IN CHILDHOOD BUTr HE HAD IT IN ADULTHOOD BECAUSE HE USED TREN, HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS BTW THAT'S WHERE HE GOT HIS TREN, HE MIGHT HAVE USED TESTOSTERONE TOO BUT NOT SURE ABOUT THAT, DEFINITELY USED TREN THOUGH.

HE WAS A LOWLIFE WHO LIVED LIKE SHIT, SHIT DIET, SHIT SLEEP. IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN, HOW DO YOU RETARDS THINK HE COULD'VE WENT AND KILLED LOTS OF PEOPLE AT NIGHT, WHERE WOULD HE GET THE MOTIVATION IF HE DIDN'T USE TREN. HE WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH ENERGY TO DO IT WITHOUT TREN.

IT IS ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN HIS BLOOD TEST IT SAID 1950 NG/DL. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE NATURALLY CONSIDERING HE HAD SHIT DIET AND SHIT SLEEP. NOT EVEN FUCKING POSSIBLE WITH THE BEST SLEEP, DIET AND TRAINING. 1950 NG/DL IS FUCKING NUTS. DEFINITELY USED STEROIDS LIKE TRENBOLONE ACETATE OR TESTOSTERONE.

ALSO LOOK AT HIS FRAME, FUCKING INSANE WIDE CLAVICLES AND THEN LOOK AT HIS FRAME WHEN HE WAS A KID. INSANE DIFFERENCE. WITHOUT TREN HIS CLAVICLES WOULDN'T GROW THAT MUCH.

INB4 "HE WAS JUST A LATE BLOOMER" NOTE THAT HE HAD SEX WITH A PROSTITUTE WHEN HE WAS 12 YEARS OLD, SAID BY RAMIREZ HIMSELF IN A QUESTIONNAIRE SO HE DEFINITELY WASN'T A LATE BLOOMER. IF ANYTHING EARLY BLOOMER. SHOWS HOW STRONG TREN IS.

HE ALSO HAS DEEP VOICE, TREN IS KNOWN TO MAKE VOICE DEEPER. BODYBUILDERS VOICE GETS DEEPER AFTER TREN. DO YOU THINK A SOYBOY THAT ATE LIKE SHIT AND SLEPT LIKE SHIT WOULD HAVE A DEEP VOICE LIKE THAT WITHOUT TREN? HE USED TREN. REMEMBER HIS COUSIN AND UNCLES WERE BODYBUILDERS THAT HAD ACCESS TO STEROIDS.

REMEMBER HIS SLEEP AND DIET WAS SHIT, SO HE WOULD HAVE LOW LIBIDO AND LOW TEST BECAUSE OF THAT. BUT HE HAD 1950 NG/DL FROM TREN (IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 1950NGDL WITHOUT STEROIDS) WHICH GAVE HIM INSANE HIGH LIBIDO AND HE HAD THE MOTIVATION TO GO OUT AND RAPE (JUST SHOWING SIGNS THAT HE WAS ON TREN, I DONT SUPPORT RAPE OR ANY DEGENERATE SHIT LIKE THAT)

THIS DUDE HAD EVERY SIGN OF TREN JFL. ACNE ON CHIN TOO. EVERY SINGLE SIGN OF TREN.

Sutup @asdvek

 

[halloweed]

I HOPE U DIE HAAHAHAHHA I HOPE UR MOTHER DIES BAHAAHHAA

Hey! Not nice dude!

 

[rrm_ss2]

I HOPE U DIE HAAHAHAHHA I HOPE UR FAMILY DIES BAHAAHHAA

Nigga go to bed it’s passed you bed time already

 

[asdvek]

Nigga go to bed it’s passed you bed time already

Its 12 in the morning

 

[rrm_ss2]

Its 12 in the morning

Nigga where tf do you live

 

[asdvek]

Nigga where tf do you live

Ah yes, everyone lives in the same country, and it's the same time for everyone. You're actually so low IQ I can't believe it.

 

[rrm_ss2]

Ah yes, everyone lives in the same country, and it's the same time for everyone. You're actually so low IQ I can't believe it.

Nigga you literally avoided the question just kys you fucking faggot

 

[asdvek]

Nigga you literally avoided the question just kys you fucking faggot

I didn't avoid, but I'm not gonna tell you. Figure it out yourself where I live. Look at my post history and shit.

 

[rrm_ss2]

I didn't avoid, but I'm not gonna tell you. Figure it out yourself where I live. Look at my post history and shit.

Dude how old are you

 

[asdvek]

Dude how old are you

Find it from my post history. This is a quest for you.

 

[rrm_ss2]

Find it from my post history. This is a quest for you.

Eh too lazy

 

[3arsa]

you know why he was so skinny and lean?

appetite loss is one of the side effects of hepatitis C, which he had.

 

[Deleted member 91529]

I have a really long ramus and well developed jaw but my zygos, browridge, chin projection could be better. I'd def take this to grow those 3 things but I'm afraid my ramus and mandible would get too big, I already have a lot of bone mass there