How to CCW facepull?

[Asetric]

I need rotation for craniofacial dystrophy

 

[Deleted member 5385]

MARPE+ Bone anchored facemask- It's the only way
It's impossible with MSE since its on the back of palate
But don't expect dramatic changes, you will have after good base for further development but at the end of the day Super bimax will be a must have.

 

[SocietyIsSolipsistic]

Just get lefort 1 with ccw. Other things are mostly cope.

 

[Asetric]

lefort and ccw doesn't fix the entire cranium

 

[Asetric]

u can't pull it with bone anchor either

it's gonna prevent it from doing so

 

[Asetric]

this is the only solution

except i don't have enough room for the implants

 

[Asetric]

how are u gonna rotate the bone with this thing drilled into it?

 

[Asetric]

@Hunterslayer

 

[Lorsss]

lefort and ccw doesn't fix the entire cranium

JFL if you believe all the broscience PSL users say.
Maxillary protraction only affects the alveolar process, just like a lefort 1

 

[Deleted member 5385]

JFL if you believe all the broscience PSL users say.
Maxillary protraction only affects the alveolar process, just like a lefort 1

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So what from your point of view change whole maxilla. People have hope in facepulling because IT could fix whole face.Not because they are afraid of surgery. Lefort 1 with ccw is fuckin useless since it fix only this

Since whole face is downward growth fixing only area below nose makes uncanny results. Imagine someone with 0 undereye support, long nose, then with decent mandible and alveoral ringe. How unnatural IT would look

Also those studies you mentioned are about tooth anchored facepuller, which of course will do nothing. I know you can be sceptic because you use facepuller and IT only fix your bite, but it was some shit done by yourself.
I am not against bimax, I say you have to have firstly good base(short maxilla) to move it forward. .

 

[Deleted member 4430]

No one ever posted facepulling results on person older than 12. Even if its work, the whole processed is somekind of pipedream.

 

[Asetric]

still don't see how u gonna rotate it with a bone anchor though

 

[Asetric]

keeping the teeth together is probably the best solution

 

[betamanlet]

keeping the teeth together is probably the best solution

It is. The implanted rubber band solution you shared above would, at best, replicate the forces natural teeth contact would generate. You don't need CCW rotation, because CCW rotation is impossible. Your problem has two dimension to it: lack of alveolar forward development, and lack of maxillary 3D expansion. Teeth contact will take care of the first, tongue of the second. These together are what creates the illusion of CCW rotation.

 

[000]

MARPE+ Bone anchored facemask- It's the only way
It's impossible with MSE since its on the back of palate
But don't expect dramatic changes, you will have after good base for further development but at the end of the day Super bimax will be a must have.

@retard what do you think of impossible to pull with MSE?

 

[Deleted member 3020]

@retard what do you think of impossible to pull with MSE?

not impossible to pull with mse it’s just impossible to get a CCW rotation because the mse screws are in the back and middle maxilla. Pulling upward would probably pull the entire maxilla upward, pulling downward would pull the entire maxilla downward 100%

 

[000]

not impossible to pull with mse it’s just impossible to get a CCW rotation because the mse screws are in the back and middle maxilla. Pulling upward would probably pull the entire maxilla upward, pulling downward would pull the entire maxilla downward 100%

Why not just do MARPE? What does MARPE have that MSE doesn’t?

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

It is. The implanted rubber band solution you shared above would, at best, replicate the forces natural teeth contact would generate. You don't need CCW rotation, because CCW rotation is impossible. Your problem has two dimension to it: lack of alveolar forward development, and lack of maxillary 3D expansion. Teeth contact will take care of the first, tongue of the second. These together are what creates the illusion of CCW rotation.

Am I fucking myself over if I permanently jut my jaw and that way I can't keep my teeth together? Tbh that's the only way I can mew if I jut my jaw forward

 

[Deleted member 3020]

Why not just do MARPE? What does MARPE have that MSE doesn’t?

MSE provides a parallel midpalatal suture split; mse is better because it is said 4 bicortical screws is better for expanding the maxilla. MARPE is outdated and is bad for what it’s meant for.

 

[000]

MSE provides a parallel midpalatal suture split; mse is better because it is said 4 bicortical screws is better for expanding the maxilla. MARPE is outdated and is bad for what it’s meant for.

Even without the CCW rotation, I think it is worth it to get the MSE.

 

[betamanlet]

Am I fucking myself over if I permanently jut my jaw and that way I can't keep my teeth together? Tbh that's the only way I can mew if I jut my jaw forward

Why is this?

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

Why is this?

Overbite , reccesed chin/jaw

 

[betamanlet]

Overbite , reccesed chin/jaw

Are you able to touch all your teeth together simultaneously? Jutting will, over time fix overbite, but only when it's done against the maxillary teeth.

 

[W0KESTMOTHF]

Are you able to touch all your teeth together simultaneously? Jutting will, over time fix overbite, but only when it's done against the maxillary teeth.

I can only touch my central incisors when jutting

 

[retard]

not impossible to pull with mse it’s just impossible to get a CCW rotation because the mse screws are in the back and middle maxilla. Pulling upward would probably pull the entire maxilla upward, pulling downward would pull the entire maxilla downward 100%

probably this, mse is very close to (if not at) the center of resistance meaning it’s mainly going to provide a translation instead of a rotation, and if you do get a rotation it’s minor in either direction

 

[betamanlet]

I can only touch my central incisors when jutting

Work towards achieving a well distributed contact between the teeth. You have to figure out what teeth to touch in order to achieve this, since I can't determine this from afar. Given that you have overbite, chances are that your incisors and canines will have to move forward (i.e. you have to jut against them) before your molars can come in contact.

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Why not just do MARPE? What does MARPE have that MSE doesn’t?

Placement MARPE is on the front of palate. However I still thing MSE is better than MARPE-widened zygos, IPD,pfl airways, wider palate. But after finishing the MSE you can get MARPE just do pull ccw. Unironically I don't think if IT would be hard to get this if someone has serious downward growth.

 

[Treasure223]

Placement MARPE is on the front of palate. However I still thing MSE is better than MARPE-widened zygos, IPD,pfl airways, wider palate. But after finishing the MSE you can get MARPE just do pull ccw. Unironically I don't think if IT would be hard to get this if someone has serious downward growth.

So mse first or marpe first?

 

[Deleted member 3672]

So mse first or marpe first?

mse

 

[Treasure223]

Well shit i gotta get bimax and ccw rotationm any suggestions what to do first?

 

[AscendingHero]

this is the only solution

except i don't have enough room for the implants

What's that bro? Could that fix my CFD? Is that BAMP?

 

[AscendingHero]

It is. The implanted rubber band solution you shared above would, at best, replicate the forces natural teeth contact would generate. You don't need CCW rotation, because CCW rotation is impossible. Your problem has two dimension to it: lack of alveolar forward development, and lack of maxillary 3D expansion. Teeth contact will take care of the first, tongue of the second. These together are what creates the illusion of CCW rotation.

High-IQ

Although 3D expansion from the tongue esp. at our age.............hahahaaaa

Could FM in conjunction with MSE and doing supplementary things like molar chewing, mewing, & posture bolster results and maxillary 3D expansion?