HOW TO MAX OUT YOUR LOWER THIRD MEGATHREAD (BOTB?) (GTFIH) + PICS

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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Skull Skull2

Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus




Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      1782164366434




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      1782164454540




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      1782164570401




  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      1782164655641



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      1782164717190


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.

        1782163025644


      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.

          1782165363454


Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.
Like I said, I'm not gonna go too much into this since SpectrumAesthetics already made a guide on how to hammer.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.
The Takeaway: Testosterone is necessary for forward projection.

Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read


@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus


Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      View attachment 5259208




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      View attachment 5259218




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      View attachment 5259231



  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      View attachment 5259236



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      View attachment 5259241


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.



      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.



Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.


Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read

@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

good but sadly i dont think botb worthy:AnimePOG:

very good thread tho, hymen
 
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus




Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      View attachment 5259208




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      View attachment 5259218




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      View attachment 5259231



  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      View attachment 5259236



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      View attachment 5259241


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.



      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.



Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.


Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read


@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

dnr but looks good will read tomorrow 💤😴
 
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cool cool

now make a guide on teen roiding
 
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Mirin read some of it
Tho the bonesmashing is
Not explained properly
I will make a thread
If I’m actually not lazy today or tomorrow
On how to properly grow
Fibrotic tissue
Which is achievable with a massage gun
Bonesmashing with a normal hammer is completely inconsistent
And if you didn’t know if you wanna actually
Build up
Scar tissue
You need rest days in between
Hitting your face with a hammer
May build out a tiny amount of scar tissue, but it is mostly going to be swelling and
It just doesn’t work, but everything else seems nice
 
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cool cool

now make a guide on teen roiding
Can someone seriously make a thread already on that
:feelskek:
I know there’s like one on here that I thought it was good
But someone needs to do that
 
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Dnr lightsaber

seems cool though
 
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Mirin read some of it
Tho the bonesmashing is
Not explained properly
I will make a thread
If I’m actually not lazy today or tomorrow
On how to properly grow
Fibrotic tissue
Which is achievable with a massage gun
Bonesmashing with a normal hammer is completely inconsistent
And if you didn’t know if you wanna actually
Build up
Scar tissue
You need rest days in between
Hitting your face with a hammer
May build out a tiny amount of scar tissue, but it is mostly going to be swelling and
It just doesn’t work, but everything else seems nice
tbf i already have a thread on how to hammer w a massage gun, this info’s all over the place i couldnt be arsed typing it in again
 
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus




Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      View attachment 5259208




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      View attachment 5259218




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      View attachment 5259231



  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      View attachment 5259236



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      View attachment 5259241


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.



      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.



Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.


Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read


@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

bumpy
 
tbf i already have a thread on how to hammer w a massage gun, this info’s all over the place i couldnt be arsed typing it in again
No, I know it’s all good
But I doubt
That anyone has the specific massage gun you need
With the right hertz
 
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Can someone seriously make a thread already on that
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I know there’s like one on here that I thought it was good
But someone needs to do that
is there one on here?
could u tag me or send it to me bhaiya :PeepoKittyHug:
 
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus




Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      View attachment 5259208




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      View attachment 5259218




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      View attachment 5259231



  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      View attachment 5259236



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      View attachment 5259241


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.



      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.



Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.


Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read


@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

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read every molecule w thread, I used to bonesmash my chin and now it has a permanent build up of some sorts in it. Only thing is that it's quite sensitive and may be asymmetric, personally can't recommend bonesmashing.
 
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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus




Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      View attachment 5259208




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      View attachment 5259218




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      View attachment 5259231



  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      View attachment 5259236



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      View attachment 5259241


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.



      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.



Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.


Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read


@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

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TABLE OF CONTENTS
INTRODUCTION
MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FACIAL MUSCLES
MECHANICAL LOADING
ANDROGENS


Introduction:
- Contrary to popular belief, the lower third is very malleable and susceptible to change even POST puberty, while the room for longitudinal growth is small, its the exact opposite with appositional growth.

So what really works and what doesn't? What does my lower third even consist of that i can max out without going under the knife?


Realistically, the only things you can change without going under the knife/steroids is,,

1.
Gonions
2. Ramus




Medical Intervention:

I know it sounds a bit counterintuitive for me to explain what you could do without going under the knife then suggesting going under the knife, but i have to get this out the way first:


  • Sliding Genioplasty (Chin Osteotomy): A surgeon cuts the lower border of the mandible and slides it forward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Permanently increases chin projection and alters vertical facial height without using implants.
      View attachment 5259208




  • Mandible Implants: Surgical placement of biocompatible material directly onto the jawbone through incisions inside the mouth.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Widens the jaw, creates sharp mandibular angles, and establishes a seamless ear-to-chin transition.

      View attachment 5259218




  • Orthognathic Surgery (Mandibular Osteotomy / BSSO):Bilateral Sagittal Split Osteotomy involves cutting the lower jaw bone behind the molars to shift the entire tooth-bearing segment of the lower jaw forward or backward.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Corrects severe skeletal overbites or underbites, structurally projecting a recessed jawline or bringing back a protruding lower third to restore proper bite occlusion.
      View attachment 5259231



  • Orthodontic Appliances (Twin Block, Herbst, Herbst-type, or Forsus):These appliances force the jaw forward into the correct position.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Over time, this constant forward posturing stimulates growth at the jaw joint (condyle), permanently projecting a recessed chin


      View attachment 5259236



  • MARPE: Placed mechanically on the upper jaw, widening the maxilla even further.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: Improves chin projection and gives off a more square appearance rather than a narrow one.

      View attachment 5259241


      DISCLAIMER:
      Before you get any of these enhancements done, analyze your failos. I see niggas all the time with perfectly compact midfaces and wide maxillas talking about "Im gonna get marpe im gonna marpe" You're gonna look like JawHacks dumbass nigga. Look at the opposite of the aesthetic outcomes and see if you have any of these as problems. If you do, you know where to go.

Facial Muscles:
Facial muscles play an important role in how your face is presented, with less developed facial muscles leading to slightly narrower face. (there are exceptions to the rule).
  • Masseter: The main muscle responsible for chewing, located at the angle of the jaw.
    • Aesthetic Outcome: When developed, it widens the lower third of the face to create a prominent, square, and angular jawline. Less development keeps the lower face narrower and more oval.
      • Mastic Gum: roughly 10 times tougher than regular chewing gum. Reusable and highly effective. 1 hour a day max.
      • Hard Foods: Incorporate denser, chewier foods into your diet (mostly meat.)
        ⚠️
        DO NOT GO OVERBOARD OR YOU WILL GET TMJ.



      • Mentalis: The muscle situated at the central tip of the chin.
        • Aesthetic Outcome: Controls chin elevation and lip protrusion. Hyperactivity creates a wrinkled, "peach-pit" texture and can make the jaw look recessed, while relaxation elongates and smooths the profile.
          • Intraoral massages: Place a clean thumb inside your mouth between your lower teeth and your bottom lip, and your index finger on the outside of your chin. Gently pinch the muscle tissue between your fingers and massage in tiny circles to release deep knots.
          • Botox: Injecting small amounts of botulinum toxin into your mentalis muscle to prevent it from contracting.
            DO NOT DIY THE BOTOX UNLESS YOU'RE EXPERIENCED.



Mechanical loading:
I hope yall already know where im going with this. If you haven't already guessed it yes im talking about bonesmashing.

Spectrum Aesthetics has an exact guide on why this works and how to do it, I'm gonna keep it short and sweet

FIRST STEP: ANALYZE YOUR FAILOS

  • Take a clear picture of yourself.
  • Ask Gemini or Claude to give you fillers to make you as model tier as possible.
  • If it modifies the ramus or the chin, you know where to hit.

SECOND STEP: APPLY A ROUTINE

  • Take your trusty hammer and hit medium-hard twice a day until it swells.
  • Take the swelling as an indicator, but use your instinct as well.

💊 RECOMMENDED SUPPLEMENT SUPPORT.

DAILY STACK:
  • Zinc:
  • Magnesium:
  • Vitamin D3 + K2:
  • Calcium:


Androgens:
oh my goodness gracious! Steroids! :forcedsmile:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~​

How Testosterone Sculpts the Jawline

During puberty and young adulthood, testosterone acts as a primary driver for facial remodeling by targeting specific growth zones in the lower face.

1. Elongating the Mandible

  • The Mechanism: Testosterone stimulates the condylar cartilage, which is the primary growth zone located at the upper back of the jaw.
  • The Result: This cellular stimulation drives the lower jaw bone forward and downward, significantly increasing overall mandible length.

2. Enhancing Chin Projection

  • The Mechanism: It promotes appositional bone growth, triggering osteoblasts (bone-building cells) to deposit new bone matrix directly onto the front of the jaw.
  • The Result: This localized remodeling thickens and broadens the anterior symphysis (the chin area), pushing it forward for a more distinct, prominent projection.


Being COMPLETELY honest, I don't think you should take androgens past 18 if you're looking for any facial structure growth UNLESS you've had hypogonadism and missed out on a bunch of dimo cause you're an estrogenic sissy

Anyways let's get into it, this is a beginner cycle, and i don't recommend if you've already ran a cycle previously.
600MG OF TEST ENANTHATE FOR 18WEEKS ON END + ANCILLARIES
Ancillaries Function
Aromasin 10mg 3x a weekkeeps estriol stable, prevents facial bloating and mood swings.
Tadalafil 5mg dailyCardioprotective, keeps the soft meat away (helps w boners)
375IU hCG twice a weekPrevents your balls from turning into peanut size and infertility
NAC 1100 mgDirectly boosts glutathion production for antioxidation
Vitamin D 10000IUModulates immune response

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That's it for now, hope yall enjoyed the read


@sickofitall @Niebvll @lenvoalt @inversions @GoErOnFoids @Sulfuras @sziabattya honorable mentions

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