How to not fuse growth plates at 15 on 500 test 16 week cycle

[foidking84]

I'm very scared of closing my plates and I can't really get blood work bc of my parents so I have to just manage my estrogen by eyeballing but I don't know how to what are some ways I can manage estrogen on cycle without crashing it

 

[moggin]

you WILL close your plates if you take that much test at 15, bloodwork is extremely important and honestly don't be a retard and get on test at 15, managing estrogen isn't easy

 

[WilhelmThyWizard]

Arimidex or letra

 

[Doom0]

always use an AI on AAS, (if high e2 is a risk) if you're still scared about closure dont go above 300 test and add in non aromatizing compounds

 

[koryachi]

you WILL close your plates if you take that much test at 15, bloodwork is extremely important and honestly don't be a retard and get on test at 15, managing estrogen isn't easy

Definitely agreeing with this. Op you have to get your bloodwork because if you take too much of an ai it will crash your e2 which will feel and is very bad. I myself have done this felt like a fever but worse and other sides too

 

[cauintyo]

I'm very scared of closing my plates and I can't really get blood work bc of my parents so I have to just manage my estrogen by eyeballing but I don't know how to what are some ways I can manage estrogen on cycle without crashing it

not possible

 

[foidking84]

you WILL close your plates if you take that much test at 15, bloodwork is extremely important and honestly don't be a retard and get on test at 15, managing estrogen isn't easy

What if I just crash my estrogen so I won't stunt my growth

 

[foidking84]

Definitely agreeing with this. Op you have to get your bloodwork because if you take too much of an ai it will crash your e2 which will feel and is very bad. I myself have done this felt like a fever but worse and other sides too

How can I get blood work without parents knowing?

 

[foidking84]

always use an AI on AAS, (if high e2 is a risk) if you're still scared about closure dont go above 300 test and add in non aromatizing compounds

I was thinking arimidex .2 eod for 500 test is this good?

 

[rotation]

use low dose testosterone instead, and use non-aromatizing androgens alongside it

 

[foidking84]

use low dose testosterone instead, and use non-aromatizing androgens alongside it

What androgens would you recommend?

 

[moggin]

What if I just crash my estrogen so I won't stunt my growth

crashing your estrogen literally stunts your growth and makes your life miserable, estradiol is needed for bone growth thus needed for height and facial bones. do your own hours of research before ruining your life with exogenous hormones

 

[koryachi]

How can I get blood work without parents knowing?

You cant get without your parents consent at least in my country but you can tell your parents that you want to check your e2 and you should think of a lie to explain why you want to take it

 

[rotation]

What androgens would you recommend?

tren
masteron
dihydroboldenone (potentially? idrk, but make sure it doesn't use toxic solvents)
etc, anything that doesn't convert to estrogen

rip to your hair if you're genetically prone though, ru58841 and minox bare minimum

 

[foidking84]

tren
masteron
dihydroboldenone (potentially? idrk, but make sure it doesn't use toxic solvents)
etc, anything that doesn't convert to estrogen

rip to your hair if you're genetically prone though, ru58841 and minox bare minimum

How about winstrol or anavar?

 

[rotation]

How about winstrol or anavar?

winstrol binds to ERa so probably not the best for height, however im not the person to ask for this there are much more knowledgeable people about this topic

anavar is probably okay as far as I know, just mild at best

 

[moggin]

tren
masteron
dihydroboldenone (potentially? idrk, but make sure it doesn't use toxic solvents)
etc, anything that doesn't convert to estrogen

rip to your hair if you're genetically prone though, ru58841 and minox bare minimum

definitely stay away from tren, it's highly neurotoxic, your mind will never recover and you're gonna do some bullshit because of it

 

[foidking84]

winstrol binds to ERa so probably not the best for height, however im not the person to ask for this there are much more knowledgeable people about this topic

anavar is probably okay as far as I know, just mild at best

Honestly might just do 500 test and keep my estrogen very low but not nuked

 

[rotation]

definitely stay away from tren, it's highly neurotoxic, your mind will never recover and you're gonna do some bullshit because of it

you can mitigate it to an extent, and im not recommending doing anything but a microdose (30-80mg)

unless you really want to

 

[foidking84]

you can mitigate it to an extent, and im not recommending doing anything but a microdose (30-80mg)

unless you really want to

Thoughts on .2 mg arimidex eod on cycle?

 

[foidking84]

definitely stay away from tren, it's highly neurotoxic, your mind will never recover and you're gonna do some bullshit because of it

I don't think you can close your plates in 16 weeks on 500 test with taking a ai can you?(.2 arimidex eod)

 

[moggin]

I don't think you can close your plates in 16 weeks on 500 test with taking a ai can you?(.2 arimidex eod)

you can, you should never take more than 300 test btw

 

[foidking84]

you can, you should never take more than 300 test btw

300 mg test won't do shit

 

[foidking84]

you can, you should never take more than 300 test btw

Ok so what arimidex dose should I use for 500 mg test then?

 

[moggin]

300 mg test won't do shit

300mg pushes levels to about 1500-1800 ng/dl, this is enough fyi

 

[foidking84]

300mg pushes levels to about 1500-1800 ng/dl, this is enough fyi

But it's only 16 weeks

 

[moggin]

Ok so what arimidex dose should I use for 500 mg test then?

0.5mg eod probably

 

[moggin]

But it's only 16 weeks

you can run this indefinitely

 

[foidking84]

0.5mg eod probably

So I can use 500 mg test?

 

[foidking84]

you can run this indefinitely

Not enough money to be running for that long

 

[moggin]

Not enough money to be running for that long

it's really not that expensive but whatever, 300 mg 16 weeks will still do something, especially if you're just starting the gym

 

[foidking84]

it's really not that expensive but whatever, 300 mg 16 weeks will still do something, especially if you're just starting the gym

I just feel like 500 is so much better for time and cost

 

[moggin]

I just feel like 500 is so much better for time and cost

ok just expect more side effects

 

[foidking84]

ok just expect more side effects

Really don't care about sides just want my plates to be open

 

[foidking84]

ok just expect more side effects

Do you think I'll close my plates with the .5 arimidex eod dose?

 

[rotation]

you can, you should never take more than 300 test btw

elaborate

maybe, if you're running other AAS

 

[rotation]

Really don't care about sides just want my plates to be open

then don't run higher doses of test.

 

[foidking84]

then don't run higher doses of test.

Best androgens to run? I want to run the 500 test but I keep being told it will close my plates

 

[rotation]

Best androgens to run? I want to run the 500 test but I keep being told it will close my plates

it probably won't, but its still bad for height

run low doses of testosterone alongside other non-aromatising androgens

 

[foidking84]

it probably won't, but its still bad for height

run low doses of testosterone alongside other non-aromatising androgens

What androgens would you pair with 350 test?

 

[rotation]

What androgens would you pair with 350 test?

you already asked this.

and if you're using NAAS 150 test is more than enough, and much much more height safe

 

[foidking84]

you already asked this.

and if you're using NAAS 150 test is more than enough, and much much more height safe

Thoughts on anadrol?

 

[rotation]

Thoughts on anadrol?

decent

 

[foidking84]

decent

I was thinking anavar or anadrol with 300 test

 

[moggin]

elaborate

maybe, if you're running other AAS

Yeah, no point in running more than 300 as you get more aromatization for marginally better gains . If you feel like 300 isn’t enough and want to go higher, don’t and get on other AAS along with the 300 test.