How to start YOUR First Cycle for Late Teens/Young Adults [EASY TO START + PRICES]

[Faustum]

Thanks. I don’t know what’s normal or not. Just seemed high to me but that’s why I’m here

The higher at lower dosages is better. Means you are responding better.

 

[gigatedcruz]

The higher at lower dosages is better. Means you are responding better.

Okay cool thank you!

 

[cargo70]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.a​

amazing thread.

 

[Faustum]

amazing thread.

Time to get started

 

[KO2407]

great read and well researched. is 19 too old to expect results from hgh? i would like to tap in with the source as well

 

[Faustum]

great read and well researched. is 19 too old to expect results from hgh? i would like to tap in with the source as well

DM me for source for HGH

If you run 4-8 IU's of HGH daily for 6-12 months you will get increased muscle mass and skeletal development of the collar.

 

[user46286]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

---

1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

---

3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Amazing info. I’m 18 planning on taking 150mg test c +750iu HCG / 8 days (pinning EOD) would you recommend pinning test and HCG same day or alternate? I honestly plan to do this the rest of my life(thoughts? A bit worried about traveling but I figure on test c I could stop for a week or 2 and be fine), but I do want kids in the future. Aiming for 1300-1500 test.

150lbs, 5’10, growth plates open (hand xray last week), so I’m gonna wait another year to hop on. Mostly want to get on for muscle growth, dimo, energy, and libido. Been training 3 years and have hit a serious road block.

P.s. don’t want to take gh as my family has a lot of history of cancer but I figure I’ll hit 5’11 before I hop on

 

[brownmogger67]

If you aren't going to run testoesterone for at least 8-12 months, don't even run it. Your body needs time to adapt to the new anaoblic environment.

At your age, Testosterone will masculinize your face and Jaw.

As for HGH, you can use the source everyone else on this forum uses, QSC. They do 500 IU's for $350 USD. And they are third party tested.

If you DM me, I'll send you the source.

im starting in a month my first cycle of test (250mg to start) but i dont know what else to buy before hopping, and how long should be my cycle before hopping off

 

[Faustum]

Amazing info. I’m 18 planning on taking 150mg test c +750iu HCG / 8 days (pinning EOD) would you recommend pinning test and HCG same day or alternate? I honestly plan to do this the rest of my life(thoughts? A bit worried about traveling but I figure on test c I could stop for a week or 2 and be fine), but I do want kids in the future. Aiming for 1300-1500 test.

150lbs, 5’10, growth plates open (hand xray last week), so I’m gonna wait another year to hop on. Mostly want to get on for muscle growth, dimo, energy, and libido. Been training 3 years and have hit a serious road block.

P.s. don’t want to take gh as my family has a lot of history of cancer but I figure I’ll hit 5’11 before I hop on

150mg aint worth it you aren't even supraphysiological at that unless high responder.

Feel 350mg for your first cycle, adjust from there.

Control Estrogen, see how you aromataize.

750 IU's is a bit too much imo. 500 IU's is enough, 250 twice a week.

HGH + AI + Erda is best chance for max height gain. As a tall person its super important.

 

[Faustum]

im starting in a month my first cycle of test (250mg to start) but i dont know what else to buy before hopping, and how long should be my cycle before hopping off

Buy Telmisartan, and check Estrogen and make sure its kept in check. Go from there.

 

[brownmogger67]

Buy Telmisartan, and check Estrogen and make sure its kept in check. Go from there.

how long should be my first cycle

 

[Faustum]

how long should be my first cycle

6 months figuring out everything, trying other compounds based on if you want more progress like I did, and managing Estrgoen.

Then cruise at 250-300 until health markers are back.

 

[user46286]

150mg aint worth it you aren't even supraphysiological at that unless high responder.

Feel 350mg for your first cycle, adjust from there.

Control Estrogen, see how you aromataize.

750 IU's is a bit too much imo. 500 IU's is enough, 250 twice a week. View attachment 5415351

HGH + AI + Erda is best chance for max height gain. As a tall person its super important.

Thanks . Would you recommend waiting til my growth plates are closed or just hopping on test right away? I’ve seen mixed opinions on whether or not taking an ai fully protects you from the premature growth plate closure

 

[Faustum]

Thanks . Would you recommend waiting til my growth plates are closed or just hopping on test right away? I’ve seen mixed opinions on whether or not taking an ai fully protects you from the premature growth plate closure

You def want high testosterone during development, there is no other point in your entire life when you can do this beyond expensive surgery or less expensive filler.

The best alternative is Tren. You run Tren with Dihexa, Mematine, Telmisartan, and Neivobl + support supps with 350-450mg of Tren a week and it's 5x more anabolic than Testosterone and doesn't aromatize into Estrogen which is the main concern because Testosterone does, and that could prematurely close your growth plates.

 

[hellostarbucks]

I just turned 18, I'm going to schedule a blood test soon, I already have made the panel, should I get an X-Ray to see if my growth plates are open before I start cycle?

 

[hellostarbucks]

Because if your growth plates have not fused yet, you might want to focus on different drugs right?

 

[Jaotheltn]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

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What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

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1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

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2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

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4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
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Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

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400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

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500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

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What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


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Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

is this fine to do at 16 or should i wait til 18

 

[Faustum]

is this fine to do at 16 or should i wait til 18

If you can manage the Estrogen, you will get more benefits from doing it young compared to older.

If you want to avoid Estrogen, Tren with ancillaries is the better option and even evidence to suggest Tren can aid in height gain.

 

[Faustum]

I just turned 18, I'm going to schedule a blood test soon, I already have made the panel, should I get an X-Ray to see if my growth plates are open before I start cycle?

Yes do all of that.


I'd take an AI (Aromatase inhibitor) from the start just in case E2 is too high like mine was.

Don't want to risk the growth plates closing early from high Estrogen, which is why I'd recommend Tren.

 

[Faustum]

Because if your growth plates have not fused yet, you might want to focus on different drugs right?

Yes. Erda (Fibroblast inhibitor) and HGH + Tren is your best bet for height + masculinization of body and face

 

[Jaotheltn]

If you can manage the Estrogen, you will get more benefits from doing it young compared to older.

If you want to avoid Estrogen, Tren with ancillaries is the better option and even evidence to suggest Tren can aid in height gain.

is tren a good beginner cycle though? it also causes organ enlargement no? havent took any steroids yet so im in the dark mostly

 

[Faustum]

is tren a good beginner cycle though? it also causes organ enlargement no? havent took any steroids yet so im in the dark mostly

Organ enlargement is from HGH at significant dosages.

That's also not inherently bad, all organs grow as you age during puberty.

Tren is just neurotoxic and extremely anabolic, 5x more anabolic than Testosterone which is why its the king of steroids. And it doesn't aromatize into Estrogen which is important.

If your growth plates are closed tho, run test. Im doing 450mg Tren a week rn + 300mg Test a week and and 4-5 IU's of HGH daily. My growth plates are long closed so Estrogen doesn't mean as much for me as it would if you had open plates.

I'll write a Tren guide soon.

 

[Jaotheltn]

Organ enlargement is from HGH at significant dosages.

That's also not inherently bad, all organs grow as you age during puberty.

Tren is just neurotoxic and extremely anabolic, 5x more anabolic than Testosterone which is why its the king of steroids. And it doesn't aromatize into Estrogen which is important.

If your growth plates are closed tho, run test. Im doing 450mg Tren a week rn + 300mg Test a week and and 4-5 IU's of HGH daily. My growth plates are long closed so Estrogen doesn't mean as much for me as it would if you had open plates.

I'll write a Tren guide soon.

looking forward to that tren guide, ill look into tren more and might take tren over test since im still in puberty and my growth plates are open, is a tren only cycle brain dead or no?

 

[Faustum]

looking forward to that tren guide, ill look into tren more and might take tren over test since im still in puberty and my growth plates are open, is a tren only cycle brain dead or no?

Tren only cycle is not brain dead you should already have decent Testosterone levels at your age.

It will probably suppress some of your natural Test production but you'll be in a more anabolic state so it doesn't matter as much.

Like if you can just take an AI + get consistent blood test, the best would be Tren + AI + HGH + Test


Lots of people your age can't get bloodtest so thats why I recommend Tren.

 

[Jaotheltn]

Tren only cycle is not brain dead you should already have decent Testosterone levels at your age.

It will probably suppress some of your natural Test production but you'll be in a more anabolic state so it doesn't matter as much.

Like if you can just take an AI + get consistent blood test, the best would be Tren + AI + HGH + Test


Lots of people your age can't get bloodtest so thats why I recommend Tren.

in a perfect world i'd run tren + ai + hgh + test but im broke af, gonna get a better cycle in the future for sure but you dont need bloodtests on tren? seems risky but are there even a lot of sides to tren

 

[Faustum]

in a perfect world i'd run tren + ai + hgh + test but im broke af, gonna get a better cycle in the future for sure but you dont need bloodtests on tren? seems risky but are there even a lot of sides to tren

Honestly, I've had more side effects on Test than Tren lol.

Lots of fear mongering on Tren, I was terrified to take it too so I understand your position.

I did it because I wanted more results and 350mg Test gave me good results but not fast enough.

Tren and Test are cheap, AI's are cheap too. HGH is the most expensive. You can get a full support stack for the Tren on India Mart like I did. Telmisartan, Mematine, Nebivololm, Dayvigo if sleep is bad, and Dihexa to counter neurotoxicity.

 

[Jaotheltn]

Honestly, I've had more side effects on Test than Tren lol.

Lots of fear mongering on Tren, I was terrified to take it too so I understand your position.

I did it because I wanted more results and 350mg Test gave me good results but not fast enough.

Tren and Test are cheap, AI's are cheap too. HGH is the most expensive. You can get a full support stack for the Tren on India Mart like I did. Telmisartan, Mematine, Nebivololm, Dayvigo if sleep is bad, and Dihexa to counter neurotoxicity.

so do you think i'd be better off fixing the financial situation and do hgh + test + tren + ai as a first cycle or try out tren and see how i react for like 4 months and move on to a better cycle? how much tren is a safe amount for a first cycle and is 4 months too long or would it be fine

 

[Faustum]

so do you think i'd be better off fixing the financial situation and do hgh + test + tren + ai as a first cycle or try out tren and see how i react for like 4 months and move on to a better cycle? how much tren is a safe amount for a first cycle and is 4 months too long or would it be fine

I started Tren 5 months into my first cylce.

Like the longer you wait the less permeant changes you can get to bone via anabolics.

I'd say:

IF growth plates are open, spam HGH + Tren + a fibroplast inhibitor + AI to lower E2 enough to slow down growth plate closure, but make sure E2 doesnt go too low or its side effects are bad.

IF growth plates are close, run Testosterone + AI and 3-5 months consider adding Tren.

 

[Jaotheltn]

I started Tren 5 months into my first cylce.

Like the longer you wait the less permeant changes you can get to bone via anabolics.

I'd say:

IF growth plates are open, spam HGH + Tren + a fibroplast inhibitor + AI to lower E2 enough to slow down growth plate closure, but make sure E2 doesnt go too low or its side effects are bad.

IF growth plates are close, run Testosterone + AI and 3-5 months consider adding Tren.

why would i need a AI if my growth plates were closed? they arent closed but im still curious

 

[Faustum]

why would i need a AI if my growth plates were closed? they arent closed but im still curious

Because you'd be on Testosterone which would aromatize into Estrogen.

I had 440pmol E2 with no AI just on Test lol

 

[Jaotheltn]

Because you'd be on Testosterone which would aromatize into Estrogen.

I had 440pmol E2 with no AI just on Test lol

oh lol alr bet thanks g

 

[Jaotheltn]

I started Tren 5 months into my first cylce.

Like the longer you wait the less permeant changes you can get to bone via anabolics.

I'd say:

IF growth plates are open, spam HGH + Tren + a fibroplast inhibitor + AI to lower E2 enough to slow down growth plate closure, but make sure E2 doesnt go too low or its side effects are bad.

IF growth plates are close, run Testosterone + AI and 3-5 months consider adding Tren.

wait what are the fibroplast inhibitors for? if tren is the anabolic side and hgh is the height side whats the purpose of adding a fibroplast inhibitor?

 

[Faustum]

wait what are the fibroplast inhibitors for? if tren is the anabolic side and hgh is the height side whats the purpose of adding a fibroplast inhibitor?

Fibroblast inhibitors will expand the growth plate opening, has had on par results with HGH by itself in young cancer patients.

 

[hellostarbucks]

Yes. Erda (Fibroblast inhibitor) and HGH + Tren is your best bet for height + masculinization of body and face

How much of each do i take

 

[goatmilkfallacy]

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

View attachment 4869128
“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

View attachment 4869129
What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

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1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
View attachment 4868810
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

---

2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

---

4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
View attachment 4868872
What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
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Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

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400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

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500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

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What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


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Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

The ULTIMATE Guide for First-Time Testosterone Users (2026)

THIS IS THE ONLY TIME IN ALL OF HISTORY TO INJECT, FEEL, AND POSSESS LEVELS OF TESTOSTERONE NO OTHER MAN HAS HAD BEFORE... AND YOU ARE GOING TO MISS OUT ON THIS?

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“It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.”

Why Do You Want Supraphysiological levels of Testosterone?
When you inject exogenous testosterone, your blood levels become far more stable than they ever were naturally. Even if you had “normal” natural levels (400–700 ng/dL), they still fluctuated daily. On 300–600 mg/week injected properly, you will experience stable Testosterone levels throughout the day IF you are pinning 5x-7x a week.


The most famous study on Supra Levels of Testosterone is Bhasin 1996

In this study, normal men were given 600 mg of testosterone enanthate per week for 10 weeks. The most important group in this study was the group that was ON Supraphysiological levels of T and DID NOT WORK OUT.

The group that received testosterone without training gained significantly MORE muscle mass and strength than the group that trained naturally without testosterone.


THIS is why you want to be at supraphysiological levels of Testosterone.

At this level, everything is significantly improved.
Protein Synthesis goes way up (20-40% depending on person)
Nutrient partitioning, more of what you eat goes toward building muscle instead of fat.
The most noticeable and life changing thing will be going from Low T (200-400) to Supra T, I would liken to second puberty.

WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS?
Confidence? Supra T will do this.
Muscle Gain? Supra T will do this.
Libido? Supra T will do this.
Drive? Supra T will do this.
Amazing Energy Levels? Supra T will do this.
Mental Clarity? Supra T will do this.
Insane Recovery? Supra T will do this.
Permanent Muscle Memory? Supra T will do this.

If you are under 25:
You’re still in a window where higher testosterone can enhance masculine features over time. Increased jaw density and masseter thickness, broader shoulders and upper chest, and Fat redistribution away from the face and lower body. But these are SLOW and TAKE TIME. Hence why the most important part we will speak on is:

How Long Should My First Cycle Be?

9-12 Months minimum.
Why?

The first 4–8 weeks are quick strength, fullness, and mental changes from elevated hormones and water/glycogen. I was going to do one vial of T when I first started, and thought that was good enough. But once you feel 2000ng, it's hard to go back.

Permanent muscle growth, you'll develop new myonuclei and contractile tissue which ONLY accelerates after week 8–10 and continues strongly through months 4–12.

( ! ) Running shorter cycles for 8–12 weeks is retarded, you are LEAVING right as the best gains are starting to compound. ( ! )

A longer first cycle gives you time to learn how your body responds, dial in estrogen management, bloodwork, training, and diet. all while building significant muscle memory that stays with you even if you eventually cruise or come off.

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What Are The Side Effects? How Can I Counter Them?

Supraphysiological testosterone, it's in the name, Supra, Beyond Natural. With that comes responsibility. Every benefit has potential downsides. The good news is that most sides are manageable IF you stay PROACTIVE with bloodwork, supplements, and YOUR lifestyle.​

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1. ESTROGEN
Water retention, facial puffiness, mood swings, irritability, increased anger, possible gyno sensitivity. Mine was very high.
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HOW TO COUNTER HIGH ESTROGEN
Use Aromasin AFTER BLOODTEST I was a super aromatizer, but you might not be. Higher fat = more aromatization. If you CRUSH your E2 you will be miserable. STAY HYDRATED.
Aromasin cost $60 USD​

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2. FERTILITY
Your natural LH/FSH shuts down, balls shrink and sperm production drops.

This happens because your body believes you have too much Testosterone, and therefore, you are not needing to produce your own. So to counter this, we are going to REPLACE LH with hCG, which will be taken LH's place.

HOW TO COUNTER BALL ATROPHY + MAINTAIN SPERMATOGENESIS
Run hCG at 750-1,000 IU per week. 60,000 IU's of hCG cost $100 USD. This will cover you for 80 weeks IF you run 750 IU's a week.​

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3. RBC (Red Blood Cell Count)
When at very high levels of Testosterone, you will produce more RBC, Hematocrit can rise, blood pressure can increase, HDL often drops, LDL can rise.

( ! ) ALL CARDIOVASCULAR BLACK BOX LABELS WERE REMOVED FROM TESTOSTERONE IN 2025 BY FDA ( ! )
(LINK)
HOW TO COUNTER HIGH RBC
Donate blood if HCT goes above 52%. So you basically get to save other peoples lives and keep RBC in check. Not really a downside.
LOWERING your Testosterone Dosage is also an option.
Monitor your Blood Pressure at home once a week.​

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4. HAIR LOSS & ACNE
DHT accelerates male pattern baldness (if predisposed to it) and increases oiliness/acne.

HOW TO COUNTER ACNE AND HAIRLOSS
Finasteride 1.25 mg daily blocks most DHT conversion.
Oral Minoxidil 2.5 mg daily helps maintain and regrow hair. Also slightly lowers BP
Accutane 40–60 mg, this is extremely effective for acne/oil control, check Liver while on this. Permanently will shrink pores (W)

5. OXIDATIVE STRESS (Long Term Usage 6-12 months)
When you run supraphysiological testosterone for a long time, your body produces significantly more ROS. This comes from your newly increased metabolic rate and newly elevated red blood cell count.

IF you left this unchecked, OS can damage your cells, accelerate aging, and harm your lipids. The good news is that it’s highly manageable with the right support.


I take a comprehensive stack that is made to counter the oxidative load from Supra T:​

NAC (N-Acetylcysteine) 1200 mg – Directly boosts glutathione, the body’s master antioxidant. Essential for neutralizing ROS and protecting the liver (especially useful while on Accutane). IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO, INJECT GLUTATHIONE DIRECTLY, THE MASTER ANTI-OXIDANT OF YOUR BODY, NAC IS CHEAPER.

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 600 mg – Regenerates other antioxidants (including glutathione and CoQ10) and supports mitochondrial health.

Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 200 mg – Protects mitochondria from oxidative damage and supports heart health as red blood cell count rises.

Omega-3 Fish Oil (3600 mg total, high EPA/DHA) – Anti-inflammatory that helps protect lipids and reduces systemic oxidative stress.

Magnesium 400–500 mg – Reduces inflammation and supports cellular energy production.

Vitamin D 6000 IU – Helps modulate immune response and lowers oxidative stress markers.

Semax Nasal Spray (100–200 mcg daily) – This is a strong neuroprotective and antioxidant effects in the brain. Increases BDNF and helps protect neurons from oxidative stress caused by high androgens and training.

$80–120 USD per month for full stack.
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What Should I Take To Support My Body At Supra Levels of T
​

Cialis (Tadalafil) 5 mg daily - Dirt cheap, great boners. AND It's Cardioprotective.

hCG 750 IU per week (350 IU, 2x per week) - Prevents severe testicular atrophy and helps preserve spermatogenesis

Aromasin 12.5 mg, 3x per week - Keeps estradiol in a healthy range. Prevents gyno, facial bloat, water retention, mood swings, and irritability caused by high Estrogen.

See above this section for Oxidative Stress Stack + Hair Loss Stack
View attachment 4869028
Recommended Dosage Progression
300–350 mg of Testosterone per week 4-8 weeks
This is the ideal starting range for most first-timers. It put me at 2000ng/dL. This dosage alone will give you noticeable benefits in muscle gains, strength, energy, and confidence while keeping side effects VERY manageable.

At this level, you will figure out how bad your body aromatizes into Estrogen, how your hematocrit responds, and how you feel mentally before pushing higher.​

---

400-450 mg of Testosterone per week 8-15 weeks (After Bloodwork)
This is the sweet spot for most men. The jump from 300–350 mg to 400 mg will give you improvement in gains, your recovery, and overall feeling without a massive spike in sides, why? Because managed them FIRST on the lower dosage, now our body is ready for more, and we know how we respond.
​

---

500-600 mg of Testosterone per week 16+ weeks (Run for 4-9 weeks, return to 325-400)
This is still within a “clinical supraphysiological” range, if you even care about staying within the clinical dosage ranges. Going above 600 mg will likely bring you diminishing returns and a much steeper increase in side effects.​

---

What Compounds Actually Pairs Well With Testosterone
Once you’re comfortable with testosterone alone, many users consider adding other anabolic compounds to enhance results. The smartest additions are those that COMPLIMENT testosterone, because Testosterone is our anabolic BASE.

Human Growth Hormone (HGH)
One of the most popular add-ons while on Testosterone. Why?
Testosterone builds muscle through androgen receptors, your AR density is genetic. HGH works through a completely different pathway through increasing IGF-1 in the Liver, nutrient partitioning, and lipolysis.

Test will drive your protein synthesis and strength, HGH will aid in your fat loss and recovery. It also gives you better skin quality, joint health, and sleep.

Beginner / Fat-loss focused: 2 IU per day
Standard effective dose: 3 IU per day (most common sweet spot)
Advanced: 4–6 IU per day (higher sides and cost)

500 IU's with 96.4% Purity is around $350 USD.

@Zagro has written an in-depth thread on HGH:
https://looksmax.org/threads/hgh-101-everything-you-need-to-know.1423722/

Recommended Bloodwork Schedule
Baseline (Before Starting Cycle)
- Total Testosterone + Free Testosterone
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2)
- LH + FSH
- Prolactin
- CBC (includes Hematocrit, Hemoglobin, RBC)
- Lipid Panel (HDL, LDL, Triglycerides)
- PSA (Prostate Specific Antigen)
- Liver Enzymes (ALT, AST, ALP)
- SHBG

How to get Bloodwork Requistions I show in this thread
https://looksmax.org/threads/free-bloodtest-and-prescriptions-method.1941922/#post-27196406

Week 6–8 (First On-Cycle Check)
After you’ve stabilized on your dose:

- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) – Most important early marker
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin
- Lipid Panel
- Total Testosterone (to confirm levels)
- Prolactin (optional but useful)

Every 3 Months (Ongoing Monitoring)
Once you’re past the initial 8 weeks:
- Sensitive Estradiol (E2) > Aim for 73–183 pmol/L
- CBC / Hematocrit / Hemoglobin > Keep under 52%. Donate blood if it goes higher.
- Lipid Panel > Watch HDL, ideally >40 mg/dL and LDL. Omega-3 helps a lot here.
- PSA > Should stay in normal range. Any big jump needs attention.
- Liver Enzymes > Monitor closely while on Accutane.
- Prolactin (if previously elevated)

PCT (For Men with Fat Pussies)
Post Cycle Therapy
If for some reason you needed or wanted to come off Testosterone, here is how you'd go about it.

Most guys mess this part up. Retards either cold-turkey it and crash hard, or they run an outdated PCT that leaves them with low energy, lost gains, and depressed for months. Don’t be that guy.

Taper the Dose (4–6 weeks)
Do not go from 400 mg straight to zero. Drop gradually:
Weeks 1–2: Drop to 300 mg/week
Weeks 3–4: Drop to 200 mg/week

Weeks 5–6: Drop to 100 mg/week (or 150 mg if you feel too bad)
This slow taper gives your body time to start restarting natural production instead of slamming the brakes and crashing

Run a Proper PCT
Once you’re at 100–150 mg/week or lower, start PCT:

hCG – 1000–1500 IU every other day for 2 weeks (highly recommended if you were on hCG on-cycle)
Clomid– 50 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 25 mg daily for 2 weeks
Nolvadex (Tamoxifen) – 20 mg daily for 4 weeks, then 10 mg daily for 2 weeks
(You can run both Clomid + Nolvadex together for better results)

Total PCT length should be 6–8 weeks after your last testosterone injection.

We taper off slowly, which won't give us a hormonal crash, we use hCG to jumpstart our Testes, and then we use CLomid and Nolvadex to block E2 and signal our pituitary and simulate our natural LH/FSH Production again.


View attachment 4868985
Why Being Natural Is Cope

There is NOTHING Natural about modern society.

Anyone who says they want to try the "natural" way to raise T or moralsplain to you on why you should not take Exogenous Hormones, tell them that next time they get infection, don't take antibiotics, those aren't natural, in fact, none of modern medicine, so just die to an infected cut. Cars? Very unnatural, use a horse, or better yet, walk.

But they won't, because cars, and other unnatural things are convenient. Injecting Exogenous Testosterone is not only MORE convenient but it's even SUPERIOR to Endogenous Testosterone.

People every day take advantage of the most unnatural habits, do not join them in their sheep-like delusions. Never before have you had MORE tools at your disposal to ascend, to become a better man. Do it now or regret it. Do not aim to live the longest, down to the last second, but to live to the fullest.​

Will the PCT still work if u add 19 nors

 

[Faustum]

Will the PCT still work if u add 19 nors

Yes. Might just take a bit longer.

Im on 450mg Tren lol

 

[noah777255]

Good thread but what happens when you quit if you do this at 16-17 when you quit your test will more then likely be permanently fucked, it might never even reach 50% of baseline? Am I missing something or are you all retards?

 

[Faustum]

Good thread but what happens when you quit if you do this at 16-17 when you quit your test will more then likely be permanently fucked, it might never even reach 50% of baseline? Am I missing something or are you all retards?

No young man has ever irreversibly lost their natural testosterone levels, it will always come back unless a rare exception. The key is time, some people need more time to recover, a longer PCT.

 

[noah777255]

No young man has ever irreversibly lost their natural testosterone levels, it will always come back unless a rare exception. The key is time, some people need more time to recover, a longer PCT.

Oh okay I’m planning on doing 200mg of test e weekly 5-6 injections per week for 9-10 weeks at 17 yo?

 

[Faustum]

Oh okay I’m planning on doing 200mg of test e weekly 5-6 injections per week for 9-10 weeks at 17 yo?

you will be very dissapointed if you do 9-10 weeks lol.

You need to blast and cruise and run hCG throughout cycle if you want the true benefits which is permeant muscle nuceli to be developed.

 

[noah777255]

you will be very dissapointed if you do 9-10 weeks lol.

You need to blast and cruise and run hCG throughout cycle if you want the true benefits which is permeant muscle nuceli to be developed.

Okay thank you man I’m looking forward to muscle but my main concern and really only concern is facial development and I also heard hgh is pretty good for bone mass but I’m 17 idk what I should do rn I kinda got a twin phenotype and i genuinely fucking hate it bro what amount do you recommend because honestly bro if it fucks me up it fucks me up

 

[Faustum]

Okay thank you man I’m looking forward to muscle but my main concern and really only concern is facial development and I also heard hgh is pretty good for bone mass but I’m 17 idk what I should do rn I kinda got a twin phenotype and i genuinely fucking hate it bro what amount do you recommend because honestly bro if it fucks me up it fucks me up

This is how my face and body transformed when running Pharma drugs and Test 350-450mg weekly /HGH 4-5 IU's daily / and Tren 450mg weekly for 2 months

This is the results after only 6 months:

 

[noah777255]

This is how my face and body transformed when running Pharma drugs and Test 350-450mg weekly /HGH 4-5 IU's daily / and Tren 450mg weekly for 2 months

This is the results after only 6 months:

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Damn so I’m definitely gonna try to get on hgh, also have you noticed any very bad side affects after hoping off if you have?

 

[Faustum]

Damn so I’m definitely gonna try to get on hgh, also have you noticed any very bad side affects after hoping off if you have?

Just bad blood work but that's expected on Tren and High Test.


I get blood work done every 6 weeks and Im on a bunch of supporting pharma drugs like beta blockers, heart pressure meds, statins, etc. If you don't you can develop heart disease over 1-2 years if you had NO supports.

So basically if you are retarded you'll be rewarded for your retardation lol

 

[noah777255]

Just bad blood work but that's expected on Tren and High Test.


I get blood work done every 6 weeks and Im on a bunch of supporting pharma drugs like beta blockers, heart pressure meds, statins, etc. If you don't you can develop heart disease over 1-2 years if you had NO supports.

So basically if you are retarded you'll be rewarded for your retardation lol

Okay thanks a lot man I’m dead ass trying to get hgh I’m like 5’10.5

 

[Faustum]

Okay thanks a lot man I’m dead ass trying to get hgh I’m like 5’10.5

I have HGH source if you DM me for North America.

 

[noah777255]

I have HGH source if you DM me for North America.

I followed you I’m honestly not sure how to start a convo

 

[IsoTren]

yeah yeah dnr but mirin the effort or whatever they say

 

[Faustum]

yeah yeah dnr but mirin the effort or whatever they say

are we deadass

 

[ibonesmashmyramus]

If you are under 18 I still recommend it but you should get bloodtest prior and the key difference is:

IF you are under 18 and GROWTH PLATES ARE OPEN, you'd want to focus on HGH + AI
IF you are under 18 and GROWTH PLATES ARE CLOSED, you'd want to focus on Testosterone + AI

My parents are doctors so I’m raped in that way. But wouldn’t it be smarter if ur already tall to focus on test and ai to get masculine features and muscle and not only height and muscle from the hgh