hypothetically, would taking proviron during puberty influence dimorphic growth and penis growth?

[Deleted member 2756]

I might get flamed for this, but I'm genuinely curious.

Proviron is an anabolic (not really anabolic) steroid used by bodybuilders to dry out and increase hardness/vascularity. It's a DHT derivative, I don't know much as I'm still researching it.

anyway, it doesn't seem to have a negative impact on the HPTA/HPGA, LH, FSH and doesn't suppress testosterone much at all, it was actually used to treat infertile men with low sperm counts. I have seen members on other forums suggesting that even at low dosages Proviron is still suppressive, but I mean bro-science vs actual science.

as we know, DHT is the main hormone that influences masculine growth, in saying this though, I'm a considerably late bloomer, but my IGF-1 and testosterone level is far above the normal range, so I'm expecting my face to change dramatically over the next year.

so, would proviron taken during puberty have a significant effect on adult penile length and girth, along with more masculine features post-puberty without negatively impacting the endocrine system?

all hypothetical, just curious.

 

[Deleted member 2227]

Maybe if you abuse of...

 

[Butthurt Dweller]

Rub dht gel on penis during puberty

 

[RAITEIII]

Shouldn't u have posted on looksmaxxing?following

 

[Cretinous]

The reason proviron doesn't have much impact on the HPTA or anything else... is because it barely does anything at all. It is almost completely useless as a therapeutic agent for any disease that it's a wonder its still on the market in many countries meanwhile many indisputably effective anabolic agents have lost market share or even dropped off completely in recent decades.

Secondly being a "DHT derivative" is one of those completely meaningless terms that bbing forum morons get attached to. There are a slew of "DHT derivatives" and almost none of them act anything like DHT. Oxandrolone is a potent anabolic with very little activity in the typically "androgen sensitive" tissues... drostanolone (masteron) despite what morons on forums imagine it does, was used in women because it was LESS masculinizing than equal dosages of testosterone propionate... and so on. As you can see just from these two examples, the term is pretty useless as anything but a shorthand reference to a class of non aromatizing androgens.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

The reason proviron doesn't have much impact on the HPTA or anything else... is because it barely does anything at all. It is almost completely useless as a therapeutic agent for any disease that it's a wonder its still on the market in many countries meanwhile many indisputably effective anabolic agents have lost market share or even dropped off completely in recent decades.

Secondly being a "DHT derivative" is one of those completely meaningless terms that bbing forum morons get attached to. There are a slew of "DHT derivatives" and almost none of them act anything like DHT. Oxandrolone is a potent anabolic with very little activity in the typically "androgen sensitive" tissues... drostanolone (masteron) despite what morons on forums imagine it does, was used in women because it was LESS masculinizing than equal dosages of testosterone propionate... and so on. As you can see just from these two examples, the term is pretty useless as anything but a shorthand reference to a class of non aromatizing androgens.

okay, thank you.

So it's weak both anabolically and androgenically?

I've read that exogenous DHT is like 100x more potent than endogenous DHT..

 

[Cretinous]

okay, thank you.

So it's weak both anabolically and androgenically?

I've read that exogenous DHT is like 100x more potent than endogenous DHT..

Bottom line: Proviron is of no use for anything!

Here is a post cut strait from the keyboard of a leading doctor (Endocrinologist) that treats hypogonadal men, his name is Dr. Michael Scally: ''

forums.steroid.com

Collection of references showing proviron inability to do much of anything of note. It's a very weak steroid. What moron gym rats believe drugs do and what they actually do in the body are often wildly different stories. Again to use the example of masteron... bodybuilders believe it's a potent androgen, when in fact it is less masculinzing than testosterone, which along with being non aromatizing (an important factor if you're going to give it to women with breast cancer) made it a more suitable drug for treating women than testosterone or dht. Which of course by implication, makes the SUPER POWERFUL ANDROGENIC RAPIST DRUG mythology nonsensical and retarded, but as you will find out over time that is par for the course; the average steroid forumite is incredibly dumb and reminiscent of a parakeet.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Bottom line: Proviron is of no use for anything!

Here is a post cut strait from the keyboard of a leading doctor (Endocrinologist) that treats hypogonadal men, his name is Dr. Michael Scally: ''

forums.steroid.com

Collection of references showing proviron inability to do much of anything of note. It's a very weak steroid. What moron gym rats believe drugs do and what they actually do in the body are often wildly different stories. Again to use the example of masteron... bodybuilders believe it's a potent androgen, when in fact it is less masculinzing than testosterone, which along with being non aromatizing (an important factor if you're going to give it to women with breast cancer) made it a more suitable drug for treating women than testosterone or dht. Which of course by implication, makes the SUPER POWERFUL ANDROGENIC RAPIST DRUG mythology nonsensical and retarded, but as you will find out over time that is par for the course; the average steroid forumite is incredibly dumb and reminiscent of a parakeet.

if I would smear DHT gel/creme on my throat/penis, would it first attach to the androgen receptors of this area before going systematic?

 

[Cretinous]

if I would smear DHT gel/creme on my throat/penis, would it first attach to the androgen receptors of this area before going systematic?

I would think so, but I can't say for certain. Most drugs usually have more pronounced local effects at the site of administration before going systemic, and I can't think of any reason this wouldn't also be true for androgens.

 

[turkproducer]

Rub dht gel on penis during puberty

does this even cause bigger dick when you don’t have micro penis

 

[Deleted member 439]

Disclaimer: I wrote this a while back and thought it might be applicable to add, however i have changed of my views on this.

Androgenic effect on secondary male characteristics

1. Sexual dimorphism and its role in attractiveness of men

Testosterone-dependent secondary sexual characteristics in malesmay signal immunological competence1 and are sexually selected for in several species Enhancing the sexual dimorphism of human faces should raise attractiveness by enhancing sex-hormone-related cues to dominance and immunocompetence in males

For Caucasian and Japanese male faces, increasing the masculinity of face shape across the three set members increased ranking of perceived dominance, masculinity and age but decreased ranking of perceived warmth, emotionality, honesty, cooperativeness and quality as a parent
http://sci-hub.tw/10.1038/29772

“Testosterone affects a number of male facial features. In pubertal males, facilitated by a high testosterone-to-estrogen ratio, the cheekbones, mandibles and chin grow laterally, the bones of the eyebrow ridges and central face grow forward, and the lower facial bones lengthen. Large size of these male sexually dimorphic facial traits is hypothesized to be an honest signal of ability to engage in intrasexual confrontation, and they also contribute to men’s perceived facial dominance.

Feminine normal masculine
Low T normal T High T

High facial width-to-height ratio (fWHR) has been associated with a cluster of behavioural traits in men, including aggression and status-striving. This association between face structure and behaviour may be caused by testosterone. In addition, face-width-to-lower-height ratio was positively associated with testosterone in both samples, suggesting that, in particular, facial width (scaled by two measures of facial height) is associated with testosterone.

Higher cheekbones and a wide (not necessarily squared) jaw are also positively associated with testosterone.

DHT deserves a special mention because it is a very active androgen and acts to induce masculine, aesthetic changes in facial features. However, sensitivity to DHT is an important issue, in the sense that DHT is more “active” after periods of rest or inaction.
(https://peweemaster7.wordpress.com/research-and-proof-dimorphism-and-ratios/)



2. Effect of Dihydrotestosterone

Dihydrotestosterone is a hormone that stimulates the development of male characteristics (an androgen). It is made through conversion of the more commonly known androgen, Testosterone. However you can also take DHT

Growth of body hair, including underarm, abdominal, chest hair and pubic hair. Loss of scalp hair due to androgenic alopecia can also occur.
Greater mass of thigh muscles in front of the femur, rather than behind it as is typical in mature females
Growth of facial hair
Enlargement of larynx (Adam’s apple) and deepening of voice[3]
Increased stature; adult males are taller than adult females, on average
Heavier skull and bone structure
Increased muscle mass and strength
Larger hands, feet and nose than women, prepubescent boys, and girls
Larger bodies
Square face
Small waist, but wider than females
Broadening of shoulders and chest; shoulders wider than hips[4]
Increased secretions of oil and sweat glands, often causing acne and body odor[3]
Coarsening or rigidity of skin texture due to less subcutaneous fat
Higher waist-to-hip ratio than prepubescent or adult females or prepubescent males, on average
Lower bodyfat percentage than prepubescent or adult females or prepubescent males, on average
Enlargement (growth) of the penis (during puberty)

Studies/ Proof

Penis
Following baseline clinical and laboratory assessments all completed a 4-month course of daily DHT gel 2.5% (androstanolone) topically to penis (0.3 mg/kg body weight), with monitoring for adverse effects. Primary outcome was change in stretched penile length (SPL) following treatment

In the available literature, topical DHT appears to be safe when used for periods of 3–4 months at the doses noted above

Topical DHT treatment appears to be a safe and well tolerated alternative to high-dose IM testosterone for micropenis associated with PAIS. Our case series suggests that for pre- and peri-pubertal boys, this may be a very effective therapy,

sci-hub.tw/10.1515/jpem-2015-0175

Study #2

To investigate the efficacy of transdermal dihydrotestosterone therapy on 22 patients with microphallus, we applied dihydrotestosterone gel for 8 weeks to the external genitalia at daily doses of 12.5 mg. and 25 mg. for ages less than and older than 10 years, respectively

The mean increase rate (153%) in the first 4 weeks of treatment was higher than that (118%) of the second 4 weeks

Notice how even the 15year old was a good responder
sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0022-5347(17)35576-3

Secondary sexual characteristics

Four months of DHT treatment (50 mg im every 2 wk) in adolescent boys with delayed puberty was associated with: 1) the appearance of secondary sexual characteristics commensurate with Tanner stage II of puberty; 2) body composition changes characterized by increased lean body mass and decreased percent body fat; 3) no change in IGF-I, mean nocturnal GH, and E2 concentrations; 4) no change in rates of lipolysis; 5) no change in rates of proteolysis; 6) decreased HDL level; and 7) no change in glucose metabolism and insulin sensitivity.

Note that this dose is small compared to what i would take 50mg daily (id take 14x that dose)

after 4 months of DHT treatment, both weight and height increased (weight, 45.9 ± 3.7 vs. 49.6 ± 3.6 kg, P < 0.001; height, 149.9 ± 1.6 vs. 152.3 ± 1.5 cm, P < 0.001). Growth velocity increased from 4.4 ± 0.8 to 5.9 ± 0.9 cm/yr in five subjects in whom pretreatment growth velocity was available and to 7.1 ± 0.1 cm/yr (n = 10). Fat-free mass (FFM) increased significantly, and percentage body fat decreased

Study number 2

Significant changes in secondary sexual development were seen in both groups. Pubic hair increased from stage 1.1 + 0.1 to 2.0 f 0.5 in group A and from stage 1.2 + 0.2 to 2.2 f 0.3 in group B (P = NS). Testis size did not change appreciably in either group. Testis diameter before treatment was 5.5 + 1.1 in group A and 4.0 + 0.6 in group B (differences not significant by t test). These measurements were 5.8 f 2.2 and 4.7 f 0.8 after treatment, also not significantly different either between groups or as a result of treatment.
ted subjects grew at rates comparable to peak HV for normal pubertal boys (l), at least during the brief period of treatment. Since, in the T-treated subjects, ICGH increased at least 4-fold, and in the DHT-treated subjects, ICGH decreased almost 50%, an increase in GH secretion does not seem to be a necessary condition for androgen-stimulated growth.
sci-hub.tw/10.1210/jcem.76.4.8473416

For older subjects (keep in mind that in terms of androgenic, dht is stronger , Dihydrotestosterone has the ability to bind to sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG) more than three times higher than testosterone)

Keep in mind this used low dose of 250mg test/3 weeks

Masculinizing therapy for F→M transsexual people was simpler in comparison, with fewer variations between patients and providers.























More than half of the patients felt that the treatment raised general well-being and so had a positive effect sci-hub.tw/10.1111/j.1439-0272.1978.tb03037.x



Example of facial changes following testosterone therapy (all older than 17-18)

How to take / Dosage

Gel: Cost$$ 80dollars for 240day dosage
https://looksmax.org/threads/how-to-make-dht-gel.12557/
“It has not yet been determined whether local application of androgen is superior to the systemic route but theoretically a high concentration of androgen for penile tissue may be obtained at the site of local application.”
Note: the absorption rate for this is only 40% so multiply your dose by .4 to find how much is actually going in your body

Oral: proviron 50mg/day
Cost $ 1gram is 5.5$
Cycle had to be 10 weeks and has to include a PCT
Few communities that know their shit when it comes to roids : Brotherhoodofpain, steroidsources, fitmisc

Injection: Masteron 300mg/week

Creatine: loading 25g/day 1st week, after 5g/day

Serum dht levels increased by 56%


Side effects
Hair loss: I suggest you do peppermint + dermarolling, if you see any signs of balding add ru58841 (topical dht blocker)
Acne: tretinoin 20mg/day (you can order this probably from the same website you order your DHT powder)

 

[Deleted member 3990]

I would think so, but I can't say for certain. Most drugs usually have more pronounced local effects at the site of administration before going systemic, and I can't think of any reason this wouldn't also be true for androgens.

while i do not like bonesmashing

@Wincel
wouldnt the new androgens on the androgen receptors of the bone stimulate growth if damaged

could I bonesmash my mandible with DHT gel and bonesupplements to maximize the effect?

 

[The Bleach Pill]

while i do not like bonesmashing

@Wincel
wouldnt the new androgens on the androgen receptors of the bone stimulate growth if damaged

could I bonesmash my mandible with DHT gel and bonesupplements to maximize the effect?