i can proof god is real (agnostic and atheist click this!)

[Sage]

No, im defending all child marriages in general

So finally the claim I made in the beginning is true, you're literally admitting you're a pedo @DildoFaggins

 

[yushmaxx]

Not how it works, you have to prove something IS true otherwise i could go around claiming you are gay and suck dick everyday and you are supposed to be the one to desperately prove that you arent

Thank god you understand this. Religioncels always try to put the burden of proof of god not existing on atheists when it should be religious people sayinf why god exists.

Either way heres my evidence for evolution: https://tsjok45.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/evolution__3rd_edition-ridley-book.pdf

 

[ghoulmania]

Find them, if you're such a high IQ refuter and logic mastermind go read islamic sources and reach your OWN consensus

my views aren't convincing to you and "muh textbook" like yeah ok a religious book is gonna talk about nutsacks cool

 

[Sage]

Find them, if you're such a high IQ refuter and logic mastermind go read islamic sources and reach your OWN consensus

biology says sperm comes from balls. common sense says 9 year olds aren't for marriage. logic says if god knows everything, free will doesn't exist. I don't need your sources you need to defend yours.

 

[ghoulmania]

So finally the claim I made in the beginning is true, you're literally admitting you're a pedo @DildoFaggins

mf talking in anime language

 

[Sage]

mf talking in anime language

You're still not defending your arguments

 

[ghoulmania]

You're still not defending your arguments

I already did keep spamming your same points

 

[Sage]

I already did keep spamming your same points

When? Say it one last time and I'll admit I'm wrong, if I can't prove it wrong.

 

[impius]

many people disrespect god but now im gonna proof that islam is the truth aswell as some proof of god existence.

First of all this thread was posted by a 15 year old who only read the quran once a scholar would give 20x clearer evidence.

1. Quran 21:30
"And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
Quran predicting and knowing that humans were made out of waters 1400 YEARS AGO.
how could a book 1400 years ago predict such a prediction? there were no sceince etc this claim was later claimed to be true in the 1900s.

2
Quran 51:47
knew about the universe expanding
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
how did they know such things 1400s years ago?

i can go on and on

Quran 21:32
predicting modern atmosphere

Quran 57:25
knew about planet having stars
Quran 39:21
water cycle prediction


mind you these are the only things that came to my mind, there prolly hundred more proofs and evidence way clearer than this. which i dont know about. if your serious and wanna know more about this go and read ibn tamiyyah books

have any question about islam and quran? ask me.

holy shit ur dumb hold up lemme get to typing

 

[ghoulmania]

When? Say it one last time and I'll admit I'm wrong, if I can't prove it wrong.

the verse we're talking about ˹They were˺ created from a spurting fluid, stemming from between the backbone and the ribcage.

the next verse in arabic يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ ٱلصُّلْبِ وَٱلتَّرَآئِبِ the word بَيْنِ means in between, so see how i put the emphasis there?

the verse is saying semen comes from between backbone and ribs? that's literally what I've been saying. and that's wrong.

You still haven't explained backbone, free will, or child marriage.

If you had answers you'd give them

1) Let's start with defining the backbone
Backbone primarily refers to the spine or spinal column in vertebrate animals.
So here we have a definition, backbone is the VC.
2) Now the ribs are places in the thoracic vertebrae placed as a cage-like structure

3)

here is an image of what constitutes the male reproductive system from prostate gland and cowper glands (RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLUID (LIFE FORCE/SEED))
*4) What i based my response on

(From the side we can see the ribs and VC, front and back of the body with organs in between)
Now that we got the main things we're gonna use.

MY RESPONSE:-

SO! assume we cut a guy in half from the chest we'd see that by viewing it from the top the prostate and its surrounding glands (which form the fluid) are indeed where semen (a fluid) come from)

THIS IS MY VIEW THO!
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER WAYS WE CAN REFUTE THE CLAIM OF THIS BEING A MISTAKE!

DOES THIS MEAN THE QURAN MADE A MISTAKE?
Not exactly,
you see arabs already knew semen comes from the penis (obviously) and they had slaves which were castrated this is even proven from the time of the prophet and narrations like that of Mabur who was an egyptian who raised the prophets son and was said to be castrated. SO THE ARABS KNOW THAT SPERM IS FROM THE TESTICLES.

Is the quran being vague??
Yet again no, the quran was revealed to also challenge the poets of arabia whose language was very harsh yet they didn't say they didn't understand and the quran beat them in their own game (you can research it in islamic sources)

OR THIS COULD ALL BE SIMPLE

THE PROSTATE YET AGAIN IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT (RIBS) AND BACK WHEN LOOKING DOWN YOU SEE YOUR PENIS HANGING BELOW, YOU WONT DESCRIBE IT AS BEING BETWEEN YOUR STOMACH AND KIDNEYS OR KIDNEYS AND RIBS, RIBS AND BACK IT IS IN THE MIDDLE, AND SO IS THE PROSTATE!

YOUR MISTAKE:-
- You didn't give much thought to my answer, so you just rolled with the words without much care. Textbooks obviously describe testicles because they study specific things. The Quran is being poetic and general in this term, everybody knows but that isn't a mistake. And assuming it is wrong would be unfair.

(acc did my research, and made my point coherent LMAOOOO )

 

[Sage]

the verse we're talking about ˹They were˺ created from a spurting fluid, stemming from between the backbone and the ribcage.

the next verse in arabic يَخْرُجُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ ٱلصُّلْبِ وَٱلتَّرَآئِبِ the word بَيْنِ means in between, so see how i put the emphasis there?


1) Let's start with defining the backbone
Backbone primarily refers to the spine or spinal column in vertebrate animals.
So here we have a definition, backbone is the VC.
2) Now the ribs are places in the thoracic vertebrae placed as a cage-like structure

3)
View attachment 5363280
here is an image of what constitutes the male reproductive system from prostate gland and cowper glands (RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLUID (LIFE FORCE/SEED))
*4) What i based my response on
View attachment 5363310 View attachment 5363314(From the side we can see the ribs and VC, front and back of the body with organs in between)
Now that we got the main things we're gonna use.

MY RESPONSE:-

View attachment 5363322 SO! assume we cut a guy in half from the chest we'd see that by viewing it from the top the prostate and its surrounding glands (which form the fluid) are indeed where semen (a fluid) come from)

THIS IS MY VIEW THO!
THERE ARE ALSO OTHER WAYS WE CAN REFUTE THE CLAIM OF THIS BEING A MISTAKE!

DOES THIS MEAN THE QURAN MADE A MISTAKE?
Not exactly,
you see arabs already knew semen comes from the penis (obviously) and they had slaves which were castrated this is even proven from the time of the prophet and narrations like that of Mabur who was an egyptian who raised the prophets son and was said to be castrated. SO THE ARABS KNOW THAT SPERM IS FROM THE TESTICLES.

Is the quran being vague??
Yet again no, the quran was revealed to also challenge the poets of arabia whose language was very harsh yet they didn't say they didn't understand and the quran beat them in their own game (you can research it in islamic sources)

OR THIS COULD ALL BE SIMPLE

THE PROSTATE YET AGAIN IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FRONT (RIBS) AND BACK WHEN LOOKING DOWN YOU SEE YOUR PENIS HANGING BELOW, YOU WONT DESCRIBE IT AS BEING BETWEEN YOUR STOMACH AND KIDNEYS OR KIDNEYS AND RIBS, RIBS AND BACK IT IS IN THE MIDDLE, AND SO IS THE PROSTATE!

YOUR MISTAKE:-
- You didn't give much thought to my answer, so you just rolled with the words without much care. Textbooks obviously describe testicles because they study specific things. The Quran is being poetic and general in this term, everybody knows but that isn't a mistake. And assuming it is wrong would be unfair.

(acc did my research, and made my point coherent LMAOOOO )

2000 word essay with MRIs to explain one verse. If it was clear, you wouldn't need all that. Verse says BETWEEN backbone and ribs. Not "middle of body." Arabs knew sperm came from testicles right? so why didn't the Quran just say that? Instead you needed to write a guide-style reply that took you what... hours, for what?

 

[ghoulmania]

biology says sperm comes from balls. common sense says 9 year olds aren't for marriage. logic says if god knows everything, free will doesn't exist. I don't need your sources you need to defend yours.

ok point 2 i answered you about the reason for the marriage, and the last one you said free will isn't nonsense which means YOU believe in it, and ACTIVELY experience it. God's knowledge is separate from YOUR actions. It's like saying if I know you will die tomorrow your actions automatically will lead you to die tomorrow

 

[Ahmed88]

7 fucking pages, nigga ignited a religion war

 

[ghoulmania]

2000 word essay with MRIs to explain one verse. If it was clear, you wouldn't need all that. Verse says BETWEEN backbone and ribs. Not "middle of body." Arabs knew sperm came from testicles right? so why didn't the Quran just say that? Instead you needed to write a guide-style reply that took you what... hours, for what?

because you literally kept acting like my point was nothing, go ahead now the Quran isn't wrong come say otherwise

 

[ghoulmania]

7 fucking pages, nigga ignited a religion war

baqiyah ya akhi

 

[Sage]

ok point 2 i answered you about the reason for the marriage, and the last one you said free will isn't nonsense which means YOU believe in it, and ACTIVELY experience it. God's knowledge is separate from YOUR actions. It's like saying if I know you will die tomorrow your actions automatically will lead you to die tomorrow

Strategy doesn't require sex and memory doesn't require marriage. You haven't really justified it. If God knows everything you'll do with certainty, you can't do otherwise. Your death analogy literally works against you, if I know you'll die tomorrow, you can't avoid it. Same with choices,You can't change what God knows

 

[Ahmed88]

baqiyah ya akhi

There's no convincing then, believe me i tried, forum is filled with genuine retards


,,Muh pedo religion brooo "

 

[Sage]

because you literally kept acting like my point was nothing, go ahead now the Quran isn't wrong come say otherwise

You wrote an essay with MRIs to defend one verse. That's not proof, that's desperation.

You wrote an essay with MRIs to defend one verse. Verse says BETWEEN. Not middle. You added that. Arabs knew sperm came from testicles, so why didn't the Quran just say that?

 

[ghoulmania]

Strategy doesn't require sex and memory doesn't require marriage. You haven't really justified it. If God knows everything you'll do with certainty, you can't do otherwise. Your death analogy literally works against you, if I know you'll die tomorrow, you can't avoid it. Same with choices,You can't change what God knows

OK OK OK MR ATHEIST 200 IQ BUT THE CLAIM ABOUT THE QURAN DID YOU READ MY REFUTATION

 

[Sage]

There's no convincing then, believe me i tried, forum is filled with genuine retards


,,Muh pedo religion brooo "

Lol read the entire thread muslimtard he proved nothing, lets debate

 

[ghoulmania]

You wrote an essay with MRIs to defend one verse. Verse says BETWEEN. Not middle. You added that. Arabs knew sperm came from testicles, so why didn't the Quran just say that?

bro just read you said you can read

 

[ghoulmania]

Lol read the entire thread muslimtard he proved nothing, lets debate

???

 

[Sage]

OK OK OK MR ATHEIST 200 IQ BUT THE CLAIM ABOUT THE QURAN DID YOU READ MY REFUTATION

I read it. Essay with MRIs for one verse. If it was clear, you wouldn't need all that. BETWEEN ≠ middle. You added that.
You used middle to explain your refutation but it really wasnt.

 

[Ahmed88]

Lol read the entire thread muslimtard he proved nothing, lets debate

I'm not reading 7 pages of you saying some bullshit, you read off tiktok faggot

 

[ghoulmania]

There's no convincing then, believe me i tried, forum is filled with genuine retards


,,Muh pedo religion brooo "

honestly i did my part i was actually planning to get back to religion since i fell way off track the past 3 years, maybe this is a new start :/

 

[Sage]

I'm not reading 7 pages of you saying some bullshit, you read off tiktok faggot

Don't read it, lets just debate then

 

[OsamaFr33Balling]

many people disrespect god but now im gonna proof that islam is the truth aswell as some proof of god existence.

First of all this thread was posted by a 15 year old who only read the quran once a scholar would give 20x clearer evidence.

1. Quran 21:30
"And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"
Quran predicting and knowing that humans were made out of waters 1400 YEARS AGO.
how could a book 1400 years ago predict such a prediction? there were no sceince etc this claim was later claimed to be true in the 1900s.

2
Quran 51:47
knew about the universe expanding
"And the heaven We constructed with strength, and indeed, We are [its] expander."
how did they know such things 1400s years ago?

i can go on and on

Quran 21:32
predicting modern atmosphere

Quran 57:25
knew about planet having stars
Quran 39:21
water cycle prediction


mind you these are the only things that came to my mind, there prolly hundred more proofs and evidence way clearer than this. which i dont know about. if your serious and wanna know more about this go and read ibn tamiyyah books

have any question about islam and quran? ask me.

Bro aint readin allat god is a faggot ahh geezer hail satan or whatever

 

[ghoulmania]

I read it. Essay with MRIs for one verse. If it was clear, you wouldn't need all that. BETWEEN ≠ middle. You added that.
You used middle to explain your refutation but it really wasnt.

that "middle" is the organs in between, are we seriously failing basic linguistic concepts?

 

[Sage]

honestly i did my part i was actually planning to get back to religion since i fell way off track the past 3 years, maybe this is a new start :/

Right after being proved wrong and deflecting 23918390183 times, brutal.

 

[ghoulmania]

Right after being proved wrong and deflecting 23918390183 times, brutal.

sure buddy while you kept rambling and jumping around i presented new points and came to do something beneficial for myself

 

[Sage]

that "middle" is the organs in between, are we seriously failing basic linguistic concepts?

organs in between? between what? The verse says between backbone and ribs. Not le middle of the body dood!!11
If it meant middle, it would've said middle, it didn't

 

[Ahmed88]

honestly i did my part i was actually planning to get back to religion since i fell way off track the past 3 years, maybe this is a new start :/

I used to debate retards like him too, just for them to start insulting or repeating the same bs, i genuinely wasted like 2 hours for the debate to end nowhere

Don't read it, lets just debate then

You didn't even finish the first debate and you want to start a second one?

Genuine autistic retard

 

[Sage]

sure buddy while you kept rambling and jumping around i presented new points and came to do something beneficial for myself

"new points" added MRI, middle, transverse, prostate. None in the verse. Verse says backbone and ribs.

 

[sync!]

organs in between? between what? The verse says between backbone and ribs. Not le middle of the body dood!!11
If it meant middle, it would've said middle, it didn't

btw that verse is translated wrong to english!
they meant that your entire body is used to realese cum which is why they said ribs and back because the blood flows to your sdick it just worded horribly in english and something completely different in arabic

 

[ghoulmania]

organs in between? between what? The verse says between backbone and ribs. Not le middle of the body dood!!11
If it meant middle, it would've said middle, it didn't

holy shit you're actually braindead i thought you had something of value to debate this nigger is using direct translations to ENGLISHHH to refute quran, guys islam and theology is over we're all dust after death hooray!

 

[Sage]

I used to debate retards like him too, just for them to start insulting or repeating the same bs, i genuinely wasted like 2 hours for the debate to end nowhere

You didn't even finish the first debate and you want to start a second one?

Genuine autistic retard

He's the one insulting me lol, and I already won the debate he just keeps scrambling around words and adding things that are not in the verse.

 

[ghoulmania]

"new points" added MRI, middle, transverse, prostate. None in the verse. Verse says backbone and ribs.

I used to debate retards like him too, just for them to start insulting or repeating the same bs, i genuinely wasted like 2 hours for the debate to end nowhere

i fell into their disgusting rabbithole as a fucking kid genuine walking cortisol spikes

 

[Sage]

btw that verse is translated wrong to english!
they meant that your entire body is used to realese cum which is why they said ribs and back because the blood flows to your sdick it just worded horribly in english and something completely different in arabic

translation is wrong? convenient. any mistake is just bad english? cop out.
"blood flows" not in the verse. you're making stuff up

holy shit you're actually braindead i thought you had something of value to debate this nigger is using direct translations to ENGLISHHH to refute quran, guys islam and theology is over we're all dust after death hooray!

so god's book needs arabic to be clear? why couldn't he make it clear in every language? translate it yourself without adding "middle" or "organs."

 

[sync!]

He's the one insulting me lol, and I already won the debate he just keeps scrambling around words and adding things that are not in the verse.

you dont get it you cant debunk the quran if you dont speak arabic since the english trnaslated version is something completely else lmfao i read my quran at home and the engklish one and its 2 entire different meaning

 

[Ahmed88]

He's the one insulting me lol, and I already won the debate he just keeps scrambling around words and adding things that are not in the verse.

You didn't win shit, even the two replies i read right now were you saying, "Muh it's not clear enough, why didn't god write the cure for cancer if he's god huh?"

 

[Sage]

you dont get it you cant debunk the quran if you dont speak arabic since the english trnaslated version is something completely else lmfao i read my quran at home and the engklish one and its 2 entire different meaning

"can't debunk without arabic" convenient. so god's message only works in one language? why send a message for all of humanity that needs to learn a gibberish language? if english translations are wrong, why do muslims use them to spread islam?

if it's only valid in arabic, most muslims don't know what their own book says.

 

[Sage]

You didn't win shit, even the two replies i read right now were you saying, "Muh it's not clear enough, why didn't god write the cure for cancer if he's god huh?"

No it's him saying middle, when its not middle lmfao, he wrote 500+ words for one verse, that was WRONG

 

[sync!]

"can't debunk without arabic" convenient. so god's message only works in one language? why send a message for all of humanity that needs to learn a gibberish language? if english translations are wrong, why do muslims use them to spread islam?

if it's only valid in arabic, most muslims don't know what their own book says.

most muslim learn arabic or read a xclean trnaslated version in their own and and english didnt exist back then *not the one we speak)
and also he snet it in arabic because people whor eceived and heardit were mostly arabic speakers

 

[Sage]

most muslim learn arabic or read a xclean trnaslated version in their own and and english didnt exist back then *not the one we speak)
and also he snet it in arabic because people whor eceived and heardit were mostly arabic speakers

"english didn't exist" so why didn't god send it in a language that would exist for all time? he knew english would be global and one of the most used languages in the world "sent it in arabic for arabic speakers" what about everyone else? if god is for all of humanity, he should've made it for all of humanity, or does he have favorites? if you need a "clear translation," translations matter. you can't say "english is wrong" and then use it to spread islam.

 

[Ahmed88]

No it's him saying middle, when its not middle lmfao, he wrote 500+ words for one verse, that was WRONG

It literally isn't, he writes whole paragraphs, you write some bullshit one liner, and he debunks it, and it keeps ok going like this

 

[sync!]

"english didn't exist" so why didn't god send it in a language that would exist for all time? he knew english would be global and one of the most used languages in the world "sent it in arabic for arabic speakers" what about everyone else? if god is for all of humanity, he should've made it for all of humanity, or does he have favorites? if you need a "clear translation," translations matter. you can't say "english is wrong" and then use it to spread islam.

he sent it in english and people rtranslated and spread it

 

[Sage]

It literally isn't, he writes whole paragraphs, you write some bullshit one liner, and he debunks it, and it keeps ok going like this

When did he debunk it, it's not middle. Writing paragraphs for one "Simple" verse is extremely stupid, yes saying "Why didn't god make it clear" is a reasonable argument, this is just mental gymnastics and vague wording

 

[Sage]

he sent it in english and people rtranslated and spread it

what are you talking about? he sent it in arabic??

 

[Sage]

I'm arguing against 3 of you and still winning, funny.

 

[sync!]

what are you talking about? he sent it in arabic??

im too tired bru but ur a kaffir