I don’t know if I should start roiding

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I just turned 18 I am 5’9 135 and I always have looked younger people think I am like 16 and I took accutane and I think it messed with my test cause I felt worse and low energy and hard to gain muscle and tested at like 250 test so I got Enclomafine because it isn’t long term decision and it helped but I am getting convinced to atleast start trt because it’s hard for me to work a long shift and be exhausted after and feel mental side affects of low test but I don’t think my parents would let me on it and idk if I could afford going to a clinic or doctor because I don’t think they would let me get it because I technically don’t need it but it would help me so much and also I live in the usa and don’t know if I could afford it long term I have 20k saved up and I believe I have hypogonadism I didn’t hit puberty till like 16 I was 5’0 85 pounds.
Would test at 18 help me with development like bones ? 1 year ago my doctor said my growth it most likely coming to an end but he just said that based on the tanner scale no X-rays done and I was a late bloomer so idk I don’t really expect to get taller but I feel like test would help mentality and physically.
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lol I know this is a yap session but please I am looking for advice I really am confused because I don’t know it I could take test without a doctor and be safe
 
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Test won't make you taller
late bloomer, you could be able to grow untill 20, do x rays & shit to be sure
check for gh deficiencies too
looking young isn't that bad, depends on what causes it, if bones, then its bad, if it is from fat pads (not subq fat or water retention) its good, it means you will still look good and youthful in your 30s, maybe even 40s
Going on roids without anyhealthcare supervision is kind of stupid but on test base only it should be ok
prioritize HGH to get taller I think

Take what I say with a grain of salt I'm no expert
 
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KaisenMaxxer said:
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Test won't make you taller
late bloomer, you could be able to grow untill 20, do x rays & shit to be sure
check for gh deficiencies too
looking young isn't that bad, depends on what causes it, if bones, then its bad, if it is from fat pads (not subq fat or water retention) its good, it means you will still look good and youthful in your 30s, maybe even 40s
Going on roids without anyhealthcare supervision is kind of stupid but on test base only it should be ok
prioritize HGH to get taller I think

Take what I say with a grain of salt I'm no expert
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I have recessed bones sadly
 
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I feel like my physique is fine but I need Trimax am only 18 and prolly can’t afford it at 20k saves up but the reason why I am worried about taking test is it can be expensive and dangerous and it would make Trimax harder to get
 
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KaisenMaxxer said:
Not advice
Test won't make you taller
late bloomer, you could be able to grow untill 20, do x rays & shit to be sure
check for gh deficiencies too
looking young isn't that bad, depends on what causes it, if bones, then its bad, if it is from fat pads (not subq fat or water retention) its good, it means you will still look good and youthful in your 30s, maybe even 40s
Going on roids without anyhealthcare supervision is kind of stupid but on test base only it should be ok
prioritize HGH to get taller I think

Take what I say with a grain of salt I'm no expert
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Also i get I could still grow but my doctor said it is most likely a o be done but I haven’t gotten X-rays and still look younger like I am like the pretty boy pheno type but I want to be masculine not a twink bitch I want to be like a man not a skinny bitch
 
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b12345 said:
Also i get I could still grow but my doctor said it is most likely a o be done but I haven’t gotten X-rays and still look younger like I am like the pretty boy pheno type but I want to be masculine not a twink bitch I want to be like a man not a skinny bitch
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I really think if I could be smart about Roids they would help me a tone also do you think I am still developing at 18 just turned.
 
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b12345 said:
I really think if I could be smart about Roids they would help me a tone also do you think I am still developing at 18 just turned.
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Your limbs are most likely done growing. Spine and facial bones can still grow a decent amount though maybe even clavicles and ribcage too
 
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All you mentioned is a result of bad nutrition. Raw meat, raw organs, eggyolks (eggwhites have avidin, avoid that) have the most bio-available nutrients. A,D and K2 is needed for bones, raw meat and organs have this stuff in abundance. Also eat animal fats.
 
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soggra said:
But it’s worth it in a lot of cases
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In what world is it worth to mess with your body in this way, ever? do it, but you know that you are putting toxic garbage in your body. All the side-effects are just proof that your body is wanting to get rid of this asap. Its plain dumb actually, if you want to age your body, go ahead.
 
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StellaFanboy said:
In what world is it worth to mess with your body in this way, ever? do it, but you know that you are putting toxic garbage in your body. All the side-effects are just proof that your body is wanting to get rid of this asap. Its plain dumb actually, if you want to age your body, go ahead.
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Makes bones bigger boyo. Bones are the most important for attractiveness
 
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b12345 said:
I just turned 18 I am 5’9 135 and I always have looked younger people think I am like 16 and I took accutane and I think it messed with my test cause I felt worse and low energy and hard to gain muscle and tested at like 250 test so I got Enclomafine because it isn’t long term decision and it helped but I am getting convinced to atleast start trt because it’s hard for me to work a long shift and be exhausted after and feel mental side affects of low test but I don’t think my parents would let me on it and idk if I could afford going to a clinic or doctor because I don’t think they would let me get it because I technically don’t need it but it would help me so much and also I live in the usa and don’t know if I could afford it long term I have 20k saved up and I believe I have hypogonadism I didn’t hit puberty till like 16 I was 5’0 85 pounds.
Would test at 18 help me with development like bones ? 1 year ago my doctor said my growth it most likely coming to an end but he just said that based on the tanner scale no X-rays done and I was a late bloomer so idk I don’t really expect to get taller but I feel like test would help mentality and physically.
Please give advice
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Make your thread more readable also when did you start puberty, did you seen any signs of the ending of puberty and do you have x ray of yout body?
 
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KaisenMaxxer said:
physique is fine but not a halo yet
you don't NEED trimax
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I need trimax I am recessed sad thing is I wasn’t always when I hit puberty my nose grow and my jaw got recessed cause I hit 4 pre molars removed but hey what can I do about th past
 
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StellaFanboy said:
In what world is it worth to mess with your body in this way, ever? do it, but you know that you are putting toxic garbage in your body. All the side-effects are just proof that your body is wanting to get rid of this asap. Its plain dumb actually, if you want to age your body, go ahead.
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Get outta here with that bullshit. Bros trynna looksmin this guy.
 
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Like obviously I don’t need to roid or get a Trimax but the pros vs the cons is worth it for me I want a good life
 
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StellaFanboy said:
In what world is it worth to mess with your body in this way, ever? do it, but you know that you are putting toxic garbage in your body. All the side-effects are just proof that your body is wanting to get rid of this asap. Its plain dumb actually, if you want to age your body, go ahead.
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this is not a health forum
 
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Clavicular and the black pill woke me up I think investing in my looks will improve my life significantly but ik my parents wouldn’t approve for most things like jaw surgery which I am almost 100% sure I want atleast a bimax because not only does it affect my looks being recessed I have a little bit of breathing problems and jaw problems like TMJ and a weird chewing formation but my teeth are straight from braces
 
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b12345 said:
Clavicular and the black pill woke me up I think investing in my looks will improve my life significantly but ik my parents wouldn’t approve for most things like jaw surgery which I am almost 100% sure I want atleast a bimax because not only does it affect my looks being recessed I have a little bit of breathing problems and jaw problems like TMJ and a weird chewing formation but my teeth are straight from braces
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If they realigned my jaw it would be helpful is every way no risk for me I am doing it once I can afford only problem is I have only 20k at 18 and I don’t know how to where to find a good suergon
 
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b12345 said:
If they realigned my jaw it would be helpful is every way no risk for me I am doing it once I can afford only problem is I have only 20k at 18 and I don’t know how to where to find a good suergon
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20k is a good amount. bimax is typically on 30k so 10k more to go
 
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b12345 said:
Do you think I could qualify for insurance to cover it based on the picture
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depends where you live, what type of insurance you have and so fourth. I have a jaw like yours and still get rejected for insurance. I just have to pay without insurance unfortuantly
 
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Yes do it please then tell us when you go bald and get heart issues Hahahhaa
 
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How can I get a Trimax or bimax with Lefort 2 ? Is there anything I can do now to help me as I am 18 and only have 20k so can’t afford it yet
 
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soggra said:
heart issues at 18 is rare unless hes blasting like crazy. And balding can be prevented
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He should at least get bloodwork done and learn how to interpret it before using any compounds, anything less is stupid but common in adolescents/ young people
 
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b12345 said:
Wym
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You say you pull, but you talk like you're the ugliest guy on the planet, like you need surgeries, steroids, and everything else just to feel somewhat okay about yourself.
If you are seriously low test, you will get a TRT prescribed from a doctor, but I am yet to see any long-term change from accutane. I have taken it myself btw.
 
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NoaA99 said:
You say you pull, but you talk like you're the ugliest guy on the planet, like you need surgeries, steroids, and everything else just to feel somewhat okay about yourself.
If you are seriously low test, you will get a TRT prescribed from a doctor, but I am yet to see any long-term change from accutane. I have taken it myself btw.
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Well I got tested and have 250 test bro I want to be high test and masculine
 
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NoaA99 said:
You say you pull, but you talk like you're the ugliest guy on the planet, like you need surgeries, steroids, and everything else just to feel somewhat okay about yourself.
If you are seriously low test, you will get a TRT prescribed from a doctor, but I am yet to see any long-term change from accutane. I have taken it myself btw.
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even ir you pull its reasonable to want to improve not only for girls but a better quality of life
 
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StellaFanboy said:
In what world is it worth to mess with your body in this way, ever? do it, but you know that you are putting toxic garbage in your body. All the side-effects are just proof that your body is wanting to get rid of this asap. Its plain dumb actually, if you want to age your body, go ahead.
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What a fucking horrid argument hahahahahaha.
Everything has side effects, you have to conduct a cost-benefit analysis for whether it's a net positive for your QOL.
So moronic to broadly call gear "toxic garbage" like we're all abusing superdrol and tren.
 
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b12345 said:
Better treatment from others better chances at jobs ect
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The narrative that your job prospects depend largely on your looks is one of the biggest copes out there .Most people just can’t admit they’re insecure, vulnerable, and driven by narcissistic tendencies that keep them permanently dissatisfied.
Yeah, looks do play a small role in certain fields, but it's marginal for the most part. IQ or being NT is far more important-by a long shot.


As for testosterone, if you’re not naturally high-T and masculine, that’s just how it is, but your natural potential is almost certainly higher than 250 ng/dL, which is borderline low. I even doubt you would receive anything close to that, if you retest.
If you're willing to do TRT (you wont, because you want even more than that), take it seriously at least- educate yourself on the biological mechanisms behind it, and get bloodwork first.
Prioritize markers like liver enzymes, thyroid function, kidney function, hematocrit, red blood cell count, Omega3 index, HbA1c, estradiol, prolactin, SHBG and essential minerals. Do not trust the reference ranges- they are complete horse piss.
 
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NoaA99 said:
The narrative that your job prospects depend largely on your looks is one of the biggest copes out there .Most people just can’t admit they’re insecure, vulnerable, and driven by narcissistic tendencies that keep them permanently dissatisfied.
Yeah, looks do play a small role in certain fields, but it's marginal for the most part. IQ or being NT is far more important-by a long shot.


As for testosterone, if you’re not naturally high-T and masculine, that’s just how it is, but your natural potential is almost certainly higher than 250 ng/dL, which is borderline low. I even doubt you would receive anything close to that, if you retest.
If you're willing to do TRT (you wont, because you want even more than that), take it seriously at least- educate yourself on the biological mechanisms behind it, and get bloodwork first.
Prioritize markers like liver enzymes, thyroid function, kidney function, hematocrit, red blood cell count, Omega3 index, HbA1c, estradiol, prolactin, SHBG and essential minerals. Do not trust the reference ranges- they are complete horse piss.
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What would you do if you were me at my age
 
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b12345 said:
What would you do if you were me at my age
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You haven’t even been specific about what your actual issue is. From what you’ve said, it sounds like you’re doing fine with women-which is the main reason most people get into looksmaxxing. All this talk about job prospects or other external factors is vastly overstated in practical terms and just cope to do something that is unnecessary, irrational or extreme.

Anecdotally, I discovered I was chronically deficient in several key minerals throughout development, iron in particular, with ferritin levels ranging from 20-60 ng/ml. That’s far from optimal, considering iron is essential for cell proliferation, tissue growth, and overall development, your muscles, bones, brain, everything.
Yet none of the doctors I saw mentioned it, because I was still within the reference range for a chronically ill population.

If I were in your position, I’d get bloodwork done through a professional who actually cares about your case, not one just going through for the money and time efficiency. Be aware that many doctors rely on limited lab panels, so you’ll need to do your homework ahead of time to ensure essential markers are included.

If that's not possible, be prepared to pay out of pocket. Expect costs to range from €400 to €500, but it's a necessary investment unless you're comfortable gambling with your long-term health.

If your free testosterone is low (which you can only determine with SHBG, estradiol, and albumin included in the panel), take a look at your lifestyle. Optimize your diet, physical activity, and sleep. Retest after a few months, and if levels haven’t improved, consult a knowledgeable doctor about TRT.

But don’t go in blind. Make sure you thoroughly understand how testosterone affects your body before taking any steps.
 
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