I get complimented on my looks far less post ascension

6ft4

6ft4

Every Spectrum has a Purgatory Zone
Joined
Jul 12, 2019
Posts
9,979
Reputation
25,654
I was an underbitecel who got jaw surgery
Almost all of my dating life took place when I had an underbite partially camouflaged by orthodontics but the jaws did not fit each other.

During my pre jaw surgery dating career, I went on maybe 150 nights out, met with 50 or more girls from dating apps, potentially messaged 1000+ girls to get those 50 meetups.
During this time it was common for me to receive compliments on my looks from foids and also compliments from drunk males in nightlife environments.

I ascended from jaw surgery because I feel infinitely more content with my face now due to ridding myself of a deformity
The amount of compliments I received about my appearance since the surgery compared to beforehand has been a much lower rate however.

I was thinking of potential reasons why this might be and here is what I've come up with:
Passing the threshold of goodlooking in someone's eyes while they can tell you have something off about your face due to the underbite makes them feel like they should give you a consolation compliment because they think it's impressive that you manage to still look good despite having an obvious flaw that would ruin 90% of people.

Another reason is that if people consider you goodlooking but can't find a flaw on your face (no major flaw post surgery) then they may feel like they don't need to make a comment about your appearance because you will already know you're attractive so they think that saying it will have no impact on you whereas they might feel good about giving a compliment to a guy with an underbite because they may think it means more to an underbitecel.

When I see strong HTNs in public who have no notable facial flaws I think that there would be very little reason to compliment them on their looks because it's plain for everyone to see that they look good, they aren't lacking in looks enough where they might just be attractive to some girls based on being their type, they're in a zone where most girls in good faith would say they objectively look good.

After surgery I went to nightlife venues about 15 times and I was treated like a giga mogger by 2 guys during those nights out but I received no such treatment from foids.
There was one chubby MTB foid I pulled who suddenly ran off on me and when I text her the next day asking why she did that she basically told me that she didn't know why I was approaching her and thought I was using her to access her friends and I had to repeatedly push to get the answer on why she thought that and she eventually said it was because she considered me to have an extreme looks disparity above her but I had to push to get her to say that.

In early 2023 when I was at peak underbite due to orthodontics I added some foids from dating apps on snapchat and they were praising my looks and giving me compliments so it's not simply a case of a pre scamdemic v post scamdemic shift in girls willing to give validation.
I've added a few whales from dating apps on snapchat post surgery and I will send them snaps of my face and they never give any compliments and they dont send me their face back and then begin leaving me on opened or ghosting me.
One of them told me that she would probably never have the courage to meet because she thinks I'm too good for her and she basically see's herself as subhuman in terms of attractiveness but still goes out half naked in a bid to lie to herself about her confidence levels.

In the threesome I had a few months ago neither of the foids said anything about my appearance at any point but one of them began rubbing my jawline while she was experiencing the post slay oxytocin.

I don't care about receiving compliments if they lead to nothing beyond that since PinV is all that matters but the stark difference in how much less I receive post ascension has me questioning what the reasons are because at least if I was getting an equivalent amount of compliments post surgery I would feel confident in the knowledge that I am on the right track and some slays are around the corner if I keep putting myself out there but with the lack of compliments I receive post surgery it has me thinking that it may not even be worth trying to pursue slays because something about my post surgery face has just knocked me out of the dating game or something about my face is now incongruent with my behaviour.

Is it possible that for a one night stand, MTBs and Chubsters would rather fuck a guy who looks narcy and has his chin project past his browridge due to an underbite and elongated jaw and chin despite him having an ogre-ish appearance from flat maxilla?
When I look back at old pics I cant believe how bad I looked in hindsight despite thinking I looked decent at the time and managed a high slay count.
Is it possible that having a compact chin post surgery means you dont stand out as you did when you looked ogre so you cant run cartoon character game?
My chin height still mogs 95% of men
 
Last edited:
  • +1
  • Woah
  • JFL
Reactions: SchizoParanoid_, Sonneillon, everyone and 17 others
Allat to come post here again
 
  • JFL
  • +1
Reactions: Sonneillon, diditeverbegin, TiktokUser and 6 others
High IQ autist shower thoughts, I do the same but it’s usually me thinking of different scenarios irl , and thinking how I would respond in such cases (be more nt).

Back to the point though, I wonder if the gap between being validated for your looks starts at high mtn-low htn, goes to no mans land during htn-low cl and goes back up but better from cl-onwards.

I’ve thought something similar in the past but I usually never write it when it comes to mind, just keep it in my looks theory compartment of my brain.
 
  • Woah
  • +1
Reactions: powerliftercoco and TiktokUser
High IQ autist shower thoughts, I do the same but it’s usually me thinking of different scenarios irl , and thinking how I would respond in such cases (be more nt).

Back to the point though, I wonder if the gap between being validated for your looks starts at high mtn-low htn, goes to no mans land during htn-low cl and goes back up but better from cl-onwards.

I’ve thought something similar in the past but I usually never write it when it comes to mind, just keep it in my looks theory compartment of my brain.
It's possible that there may be a compliments received purgatory zone

So in the lower zone the girls who compliment you are the ones that see something about you that they like but they can recognize you're not going to be objectively attractive to every girl so they think that they've got an edge by finding you more attractive than other girls might thus they compliment you and feel their compliment holds weight.

In the purgatory zone, girls will find you attractive but they may think you already believe you're attractive so they don't feel the need to compliment you or inflate your ego because they think it may cause you to see yourself as higher value than her so you move onto a better girl but they'd prefer if you keep a low enough opinion of yourself to not think you mog her.

In the upper zone you look good enough whereby girls are aware that you know you look good and they don't see any advantage to trying to keep you grounded and simply cant restrain themselves from giving you the compliment
(Think of the reactions that moggers get on omegle, even tho the girl knows the guy mogs her she gets off on it and is willing to inflate his ego more because she feels he deserves it.)
 
  • +1
  • Woah
Reactions: Sonneillon, White_Bwoi, TiktokUser and 6 others
i feel like that, every single time i look in the mirror for a bit longer my friends start saying ok ok we get it stop being narcy, like its a thing that does not have to be mentioned(me being gl)
 
  • +1
  • Woah
Reactions: Sonneillon, White_Bwoi, Chadeep and 4 others
cba to read it
The author had jaw surgery to fix an underbite and now feels more confident in his appearance. However, he receives fewer compliments and less female attention post-surgery, despite looking objectively better. He theorizes that people used to compliment him more out of sympathy or surprise at his attractiveness despite the flaw. Now, his improved but more conventional looks might make him less memorable or seem less approachable. This drop in validation makes him question if pursuing casual dating is still worth it.
 
  • JFL
  • +1
Reactions: Sonneillon, diditeverbegin, incel-at-heart and 2 others
The author had jaw surgery to fix an underbite and now feels more confident in his appearance. However, he receives fewer compliments and less female attention post-surgery, despite looking objectively better. He theorizes that people used to compliment him more out of sympathy or surprise at his attractiveness despite the flaw. Now, his improved but more conventional looks might make him less memorable or seem less approachable. This drop in validation makes him question if pursuing casual dating is still worth it.
seems like cope ngl

also the 'people wont compliment you if they know ure gl' lol
 
seems like cope ngl

also the 'people wont compliment you if they know ure gl' lol
Btw sup hoso
Bring back the cavill avi
 
  • JFL
Reactions: Akhi
How did you get a threesome? apps?
 
  • +1
Reactions: White_Bwoi
It's possible that there may be a compliments received purgatory zone

So in the lower zone the girls who compliment you are the ones that see something about you that they like but they can recognize you're not going to be objectively attractive to every girl so they think that they've got an edge by finding you more attractive than other girls might thus they compliment you and feel their compliment holds weight.

In the purgatory zone, girls will find you attractive but they may think you already believe you're attractive so they don't feel the need to compliment you or inflate your ego because they think it may cause you to see yourself as higher value than her so you move onto a better girl but they'd prefer if you keep a low enough opinion of yourself to not think you mog her.

In the upper zone you look good enough whereby girls are aware that you know you look good and they don't see any advantage to trying to keep you grounded and simply cant restrain themselves from giving you the compliment
(Think of the reactions that moggers get on omegle, even tho the girl knows the guy mogs her she gets off on it and is willing to inflate his ego more because she feels he deserves it.)
what exactly is the "purgatory zone"

what is the looks threshold
 
I was an underbitecel who got jaw surgery
Almost all of my dating life took place when I had an underbite partially camouflaged by orthodontics but the jaws did not fit each other.

During my pre jaw surgery dating career, I went on maybe 150 nights out, met with 50 or more girls from dating apps, potentially messaged 1000+ girls to get those 50 meetups.
During this time it was common for me to receive compliments on my looks from foids and also compliments from drunk males in nightlife environments.

I ascended from jaw surgery because I feel infinitely more content with my face now due to ridding myself of a deformity
The amount of compliments I received about my appearance since the surgery compared to beforehand has been a much lower rate however.

I was thinking of potential reasons why this might be and here is what I've come up with:
Passing the threshold of goodlooking in someone's eyes while they can tell you have something off about your face due to the underbite makes them feel like they should give you a consolation compliment because they think it's impressive that you manage to still look good despite having an obvious flaw that would ruin 90% of people.

Another reason is that if people consider you goodlooking but can't find a flaw on your face (no major flaw post surgery) then they may feel like they don't need to make a comment about your appearance because you will already know you're attractive so they think that saying it will have no impact on you whereas they might feel good about giving a compliment to a guy with an underbite because they may think it means more to an underbitecel.
Maybe you were just older, post jaw surgery than before? How bad was your underbite in mm?
Jaw surgery doesn't radically change frontal appearance in most cases.
 
Independently from the compliments, did you manage to keep up the slay count or has that also dropped?

Based on what the chubster said: Have you tried approaching more good looking girls? What were the results?
 
  • +1
Reactions: White_Bwoi
I can relate. The more bloated/fat -the more I'm being complemented in that way. It's obvious that "I look good" but being in upper echelon of normal BMI at 21-23% BF gave me enough of a human FLAWS to be one of them, and the chicks don't feel that threatened.
When I'm approaching 15-17% it's radically different game, ofcourse I feel 10x better about myself then, and am more content / confident I can wear anything and look good - but MTB's start to act weird, like you described xD

When I'm lean and really good looking despite being an 'oldcel' - only people that openly could give me complements are drunk guys in very random way, or like like a boss that I'm currently working for, can call me jokingly 'yo, handsome' or some shit.

Guys start to get territorial or try to mock me or completely different, are trying to be my best friends.

All in all good observations, ofcourse it's cope to complain at such things; I'm not: not interested in mid-girls anyway, neither slaying too much - so rather want to look good than look for pity and complements from low end people :ROFLMAO:
 
  • +1
Reactions: 6ft4
I can relate to a few tbh from this thread , especially after i got some minor filler and contacts . Some will run away if u look to perfect simply because they dont want to give u that power or they are just insecure, this shouldn’t stop us though from achieving more , i feel like once you get past the validation stage ( dont need external validation from anyone you know your good looking ) if you yourself then is satisfied , then thats all that matters .
 
Last edited:
  • +1
Reactions: White_Bwoi and 6ft4
Maybe you were just older, post jaw surgery than before? How bad was your underbite in mm?
Jaw surgery doesn't radically change frontal appearance in most cases.
Around 6mm
Yes I was 5 years older post surgery than in my slaying peak but looking back on pictures I arguably looked older in some regards when I was slaying due to roids, facial bloat and tanning beds.
My undereyes have lost some youth in that time but moving my lower maxilla forward de-aged me in many regards and made the skin in that area tighter.
Jaw surgery changed my frontal appearance because I had barely any upper lip beforehand now I have a normal looking upper lip.

how do i make this shorter
post #9

Independently from the compliments, did you manage to keep up the slay count or has that also dropped?

Based on what the chubster said: Have you tried approaching more good looking girls? What were the results?
my slaying ability has decreased but I'm a shell of the slayer I once was motivation wise
I made an observation that when ranking the incelcon attendees based on level of bite deformity, the level of bite deformity correlated with how high our slay count was.
Maybe it's a case that having a bite deformity causes you to compensate by chasing slays to validate yourself due to not feeling content with yourself due to the bite deformity.

I told myself I would approach more goodlooking girls but only did 1 daygame approach which I messed up
 
  • +1
Reactions: incel-at-heart
Girls dont give eshit about looks. They only care about personality and if your interest match with her + u need to be in same age category. They dont think like us. We men only think about pussy or getting validation. We think that women work same way, but no. They dont.
 

Similar threads

Iplamephiltrum
Replies
9
Views
141
_MVP_
_MVP_
Forrestmaxx
Replies
70
Views
1K
enriquecuador
enriquecuador
Forrestmaxx
Replies
1
Views
183
6'2 MTN
6'2 MTN
Htobrother
Replies
15
Views
270
rapeeat88
rapeeat88
yvngbreadstick
Replies
36
Views
355
incel-at-heart
incel-at-heart

Users who are viewing this thread

  • solodolo
Back
Top