I get complimented on my looks far less post ascension

[6ft4]

I was an underbitecel who got jaw surgery
Almost all of my dating life took place when I had an underbite partially camouflaged by orthodontics but the jaws did not fit each other.

During my pre jaw surgery dating career, I went on maybe 150 nights out, met with 50 or more girls from dating apps, potentially messaged 1000+ girls to get those 50 meetups.
During this time it was common for me to receive compliments on my looks from foids and also compliments from drunk males in nightlife environments.

I ascended from jaw surgery because I feel infinitely more content with my face now due to ridding myself of a deformity
The amount of compliments I received about my appearance since the surgery compared to beforehand has been a much lower rate however.

I was thinking of potential reasons why this might be and here is what I've come up with:
Passing the threshold of goodlooking in someone's eyes while they can tell you have something off about your face due to the underbite makes them feel like they should give you a consolation compliment because they think it's impressive that you manage to still look good despite having an obvious flaw that would ruin 90% of people.

Another reason is that if people consider you goodlooking but can't find a flaw on your face (no major flaw post surgery) then they may feel like they don't need to make a comment about your appearance because you will already know you're attractive so they think that saying it will have no impact on you whereas they might feel good about giving a compliment to a guy with an underbite because they may think it means more to an underbitecel.

When I see strong HTNs in public who have no notable facial flaws I think that there would be very little reason to compliment them on their looks because it's plain for everyone to see that they look good, they aren't lacking in looks enough where they might just be attractive to some girls based on being their type, they're in a zone where most girls in good faith would say they objectively look good.

After surgery I went to nightlife venues about 15 times and I was treated like a giga mogger by 2 guys during those nights out but I received no such treatment from foids.
There was one chubby MTB foid I pulled who suddenly ran off on me and when I text her the next day asking why she did that she basically told me that she didn't know why I was approaching her and thought I was using her to access her friends and I had to repeatedly push to get the answer on why she thought that and she eventually said it was because she considered me to have an extreme looks disparity above her but I had to push to get her to say that.

In early 2023 when I was at peak underbite due to orthodontics I added some foids from dating apps on snapchat and they were praising my looks and giving me compliments so it's not simply a case of a pre scamdemic v post scamdemic shift in girls willing to give validation.
I've added a few whales from dating apps on snapchat post surgery and I will send them snaps of my face and they never give any compliments and they dont send me their face back and then begin leaving me on opened or ghosting me.
One of them told me that she would probably never have the courage to meet because she thinks I'm too good for her and she basically see's herself as subhuman in terms of attractiveness but still goes out half naked in a bid to lie to herself about her confidence levels.

In the threesome I had a few months ago neither of the foids said anything about my appearance at any point but one of them began rubbing my jawline while she was experiencing the post slay oxytocin.

I don't care about receiving compliments if they lead to nothing beyond that since PinV is all that matters but the stark difference in how much less I receive post ascension has me questioning what the reasons are because at least if I was getting an equivalent amount of compliments post surgery I would feel confident in the knowledge that I am on the right track and some slays are around the corner if I keep putting myself out there but with the lack of compliments I receive post surgery it has me thinking that it may not even be worth trying to pursue slays because something about my post surgery face has just knocked me out of the dating game or something about my face is now incongruent with my behaviour.

Is it possible that for a one night stand, MTBs and Chubsters would rather fuck a guy who looks narcy and has his chin project past his browridge due to an underbite and elongated jaw and chin despite him having an ogre-ish appearance from flat maxilla?
When I look back at old pics I cant believe how bad I looked in hindsight despite thinking I looked decent at the time and managed a high slay count.
Is it possible that having a compact chin post surgery means you dont stand out as you did when you looked ogre so you cant run cartoon character game?
My chin height still mogs 95% of men

 

[vernier]

Allat to come post here again

 

[mrriceguyreturn]

has me questioning what the reasons are

Post-COVID difficulty inflation @Akhi

 

[6ft4]

Allat to come post here again

 

[(-__-+)]

High IQ autist shower thoughts, I do the same but it’s usually me thinking of different scenarios irl , and thinking how I would respond in such cases (be more nt).

Back to the point though, I wonder if the gap between being validated for your looks starts at high mtn-low htn, goes to no mans land during htn-low cl and goes back up but better from cl-onwards.

I’ve thought something similar in the past but I usually never write it when it comes to mind, just keep it in my looks theory compartment of my brain.

 

[6ft4]

High IQ autist shower thoughts, I do the same but it’s usually me thinking of different scenarios irl , and thinking how I would respond in such cases (be more nt).

Back to the point though, I wonder if the gap between being validated for your looks starts at high mtn-low htn, goes to no mans land during htn-low cl and goes back up but better from cl-onwards.

I’ve thought something similar in the past but I usually never write it when it comes to mind, just keep it in my looks theory compartment of my brain.

It's possible that there may be a compliments received purgatory zone

So in the lower zone the girls who compliment you are the ones that see something about you that they like but they can recognize you're not going to be objectively attractive to every girl so they think that they've got an edge by finding you more attractive than other girls might thus they compliment you and feel their compliment holds weight.

In the purgatory zone, girls will find you attractive but they may think you already believe you're attractive so they don't feel the need to compliment you or inflate your ego because they think it may cause you to see yourself as higher value than her so you move onto a better girl but they'd prefer if you keep a low enough opinion of yourself to not think you mog her.

In the upper zone you look good enough whereby girls are aware that you know you look good and they don't see any advantage to trying to keep you grounded and simply cant restrain themselves from giving you the compliment
(Think of the reactions that moggers get on omegle, even tho the girl knows the guy mogs her she gets off on it and is willing to inflate his ego more because she feels he deserves it.)

 

[albanianblackguy]

i feel like that, every single time i look in the mirror for a bit longer my friends start saying ok ok we get it stop being narcy, like its a thing that does not have to be mentioned(me being gl)

 

[Akhi]

Post-COVID difficulty inflation @Akhi

cba to read it

 

[HimmyButlerV2]

cba to read it

The author had jaw surgery to fix an underbite and now feels more confident in his appearance. However, he receives fewer compliments and less female attention post-surgery, despite looking objectively better. He theorizes that people used to compliment him more out of sympathy or surprise at his attractiveness despite the flaw. Now, his improved but more conventional looks might make him less memorable or seem less approachable. This drop in validation makes him question if pursuing casual dating is still worth it.

 

[Akhi]

The author had jaw surgery to fix an underbite and now feels more confident in his appearance. However, he receives fewer compliments and less female attention post-surgery, despite looking objectively better. He theorizes that people used to compliment him more out of sympathy or surprise at his attractiveness despite the flaw. Now, his improved but more conventional looks might make him less memorable or seem less approachable. This drop in validation makes him question if pursuing casual dating is still worth it.

seems like cope ngl

also the 'people wont compliment you if they know ure gl' lol

 

[HimmyButlerV2]

seems like cope ngl

also the 'people wont compliment you if they know ure gl' lol

Btw sup hoso
Bring back the cavill avi

 

[panzer of the Lake]

How did you get a threesome? apps?

 

[TiktokUser]

It's possible that there may be a compliments received purgatory zone

So in the lower zone the girls who compliment you are the ones that see something about you that they like but they can recognize you're not going to be objectively attractive to every girl so they think that they've got an edge by finding you more attractive than other girls might thus they compliment you and feel their compliment holds weight.

In the purgatory zone, girls will find you attractive but they may think you already believe you're attractive so they don't feel the need to compliment you or inflate your ego because they think it may cause you to see yourself as higher value than her so you move onto a better girl but they'd prefer if you keep a low enough opinion of yourself to not think you mog her.

In the upper zone you look good enough whereby girls are aware that you know you look good and they don't see any advantage to trying to keep you grounded and simply cant restrain themselves from giving you the compliment
(Think of the reactions that moggers get on omegle, even tho the girl knows the guy mogs her she gets off on it and is willing to inflate his ego more because she feels he deserves it.)

what exactly is the "purgatory zone"

what is the looks threshold

 

[Snicket]

I was an underbitecel who got jaw surgery
Almost all of my dating life took place when I had an underbite partially camouflaged by orthodontics but the jaws did not fit each other.

During my pre jaw surgery dating career, I went on maybe 150 nights out, met with 50 or more girls from dating apps, potentially messaged 1000+ girls to get those 50 meetups.
During this time it was common for me to receive compliments on my looks from foids and also compliments from drunk males in nightlife environments.

I ascended from jaw surgery because I feel infinitely more content with my face now due to ridding myself of a deformity
The amount of compliments I received about my appearance since the surgery compared to beforehand has been a much lower rate however.

I was thinking of potential reasons why this might be and here is what I've come up with:
Passing the threshold of goodlooking in someone's eyes while they can tell you have something off about your face due to the underbite makes them feel like they should give you a consolation compliment because they think it's impressive that you manage to still look good despite having an obvious flaw that would ruin 90% of people.

Another reason is that if people consider you goodlooking but can't find a flaw on your face (no major flaw post surgery) then they may feel like they don't need to make a comment about your appearance because you will already know you're attractive so they think that saying it will have no impact on you whereas they might feel good about giving a compliment to a guy with an underbite because they may think it means more to an underbitecel.

Maybe you were just older, post jaw surgery than before? How bad was your underbite in mm?
Jaw surgery doesn't radically change frontal appearance in most cases.

 

[incel-at-heart]

Independently from the compliments, did you manage to keep up the slay count or has that also dropped?

Based on what the chubster said: Have you tried approaching more good looking girls? What were the results?

 

[White_Bwoi]

I can relate. The more bloated/fat -the more I'm being complemented in that way. It's obvious that "I look good" but being in upper echelon of normal BMI at 21-23% BF gave me enough of a human FLAWS to be one of them, and the chicks don't feel that threatened.
When I'm approaching 15-17% it's radically different game, ofcourse I feel 10x better about myself then, and am more content / confident I can wear anything and look good - but MTB's start to act weird, like you described xD

When I'm lean and really good looking despite being an 'oldcel' - only people that openly could give me complements are drunk guys in very random way, or like like a boss that I'm currently working for, can call me jokingly 'yo, handsome' or some shit.

Guys start to get territorial or try to mock me or completely different, are trying to be my best friends.

All in all good observations, ofcourse it's cope to complain at such things; I'm not: not interested in mid-girls anyway, neither slaying too much - so rather want to look good than look for pity and complements from low end people

 

[eternalcoper]

how do i make this shorter

 

[edodalic29]

I can relate to a few tbh from this thread , especially after i got some minor filler and contacts . Some will run away if u look to perfect simply because they dont want to give u that power or they are just insecure, this shouldn’t stop us though from achieving more , i feel like once you get past the validation stage ( dont need external validation from anyone you know your good looking ) if you yourself then is satisfied , then thats all that matters .

 

[6ft4]

Maybe you were just older, post jaw surgery than before? How bad was your underbite in mm?
Jaw surgery doesn't radically change frontal appearance in most cases.

Around 6mm
Yes I was 5 years older post surgery than in my slaying peak but looking back on pictures I arguably looked older in some regards when I was slaying due to roids, facial bloat and tanning beds.
My undereyes have lost some youth in that time but moving my lower maxilla forward de-aged me in many regards and made the skin in that area tighter.
Jaw surgery changed my frontal appearance because I had barely any upper lip beforehand now I have a normal looking upper lip.

how do i make this shorter

post #9

Independently from the compliments, did you manage to keep up the slay count or has that also dropped?

Based on what the chubster said: Have you tried approaching more good looking girls? What were the results?

my slaying ability has decreased but I'm a shell of the slayer I once was motivation wise
I made an observation that when ranking the incelcon attendees based on level of bite deformity, the level of bite deformity correlated with how high our slay count was.
Maybe it's a case that having a bite deformity causes you to compensate by chasing slays to validate yourself due to not feeling content with yourself due to the bite deformity.

I told myself I would approach more goodlooking girls but only did 1 daygame approach which I messed up

 

[Zzure]

Allat to come post here again

lmao

 

[gario]

Girls dont give eshit about looks. They only care about personality and if your interest match with her + u need to be in same age category. They dont think like us. We men only think about pussy or getting validation. We think that women work same way, but no. They dont.

 

[MoggsWithBoness]

Ascension is basically more action less words. Even happened to me. People just stop talking about looks with/to you, as opposed to pre ascension when comparisions are way more common (yk, things like 'who has a better jaw' and shit like that). But action, as in, IOIs from women will SHOOT UP. My personal experience, idk abt yall

 

[chrishell]

I think your conclusion about hot people not receiving as many compliments because it's already seen as evident to all and so would be superfluous is right. I recall an experience that made me have a similar realization. I was at a club once talking to this ugly Indian bitch. I could tell she was into me and she started complimenting my teeth. Mind you, I had/still have crowding, a crossbite, I have uneven teeth sizes: my teeth objectively look like shit. I came to the conclusion that girls will only ever compliment you on things they think you are insecure about, which is often but not always an ugly feature or a feature that holds you back.

Imagine the perfect face as a smooth plain. Any imperfection that comes out of that plain, any hill or valley, any facial flaw, girls will jump on it instantly with the precision and force of a heat seeking missile and plant compliments there to destroy your mind from the inside and make you want more validation from them.

Also: it's common knowledge now that girls are more likely to compliment girls who are at their level or uglier than them. They just write pretty girls out of existence in their mind. Girls who are prettier than them just don't exist to them cognitively. The immense strength of ego defense means those girls are like glitches that shouldn't exist. I think they can apply a similar mechanism to guys. In the real world there are chad chasers but there are probably more girls whose minds operate like this vis a vis moids. They simply don't perceive men who they know instantly would reject them.

Think of girls who like "big nose" guys. It's usually ugly/mid girls saying this. They mean things like Adam Driver and Jeremy Allen White when they say this. They never mean Tom Cruise even though he has a big nose. They don't even perceive Tom Cruise let alone his nose. They NEVER mean someone who is objectively chadlite but still has a big nose. It's always some weird, insidious compliment-knife for someone ugly. But what "big nose" translates to: omg i love how your nose has the illusion of being large due to your zygos, infras, and paranasal areas being recessed which makes you uglier and therefore more likely to be kind and commit to me (appearance of a nose being "big" is usually the result of the surrounding maxillary structures being recessed rather than the nose itself being projected or having too much cartilage at the base or something). And so "big nose" is just a collective hallucination by mid girls to gaslight each other--and succesfully so, arguably--into making the only guys who are accessible to them appear as the objectively hot ones ("omg hear me out" on some tiktok about, idk, the adult male version of bella ramsey with a pornstache, and then 500 replies from chronically online trollesses saying "oh you're heard girlie"); in doing so, they simultaneously save their egos and generate a new compliment bazooka to fire missiles at unsuspecting mid guys to rake them in. The MTN/MTB community is something truly astonishing.

@LatentIntellectual

 

[uksucks]

There's no consistency

I literally ascend with blue contacts, perfect med pheno and nothing

Meanwhile girls approached in Hungary

Nothing makes sense

 

[Swarthy Knight]

 

[6ft4]

I think your conclusion about hot people not receiving as many compliments because it's already seen as evident to all and so would be superfluous is right. I recall an experience that made me have a similar realization. I was at a club once talking to this ugly Indian bitch. I could tell she was into me and she started complimenting my teeth. Mind you, I had/still have crowding, a crossbite, I have uneven teeth sizes: my teeth objectively look like shit. I came to the conclusion that girls will only ever compliment you on things they think you are insecure about, which is often but not always an ugly feature or a feature that holds you back.

Imagine the perfect face as a smooth plain. Any imperfection that comes out of that plain, any hill or valley, any facial flaw, girls will jump on it instantly with the precision and force of a heat seeking missile and plant compliments there to destroy your mind from the inside and make you want more validation from them.

Also: it's common knowledge now that girls are more likely to compliment girls who are at their level or uglier than them. They just write pretty girls out of existence in their mind. Girls who are prettier than them just don't exist to them cognitively. The immense strength of ego defense means those girls are like glitches that shouldn't exist. I think they can apply a similar mechanism to guys. In the real world there are chad chasers but there are probably more girls whose minds operate like this vis a vis moids. They simply don't perceive men who they know instantly would reject them.

Think of girls who like "big nose" guys. It's usually ugly/mid girls saying this. They mean things like Adam Driver and Jeremy Allen White when they say this. They never mean Tom Cruise even though he has a big nose. They don't even perceive Tom Cruise let alone his nose. They NEVER mean someone who is objectively chadlite but still has a big nose. It's always some weird, insidious compliment-knife for someone ugly. But what "big nose" translates to: omg i love how your nose has the illusion of being large due to your zygos, infras, and paranasal areas being recessed which makes you uglier and therefore more likely to be kind and commit to me (appearance of a nose being "big" is usually the result of the surrounding maxillary structures being recessed rather than the nose itself being projected or having too much cartilage at the base or something). And so "big nose" is just a collective hallucination by mid girls to gaslight each other--and succesfully so, arguably--into making the only guys who are accessible to them appear as the objectively hot ones ("omg hear me out" on some tiktok about, idk, the adult male version of bella ramsey with a pornstache, and then 500 replies from chronically online trollesses saying "oh you're heard girlie"); in doing so, they simultaneously save their egos and generate a new compliment bazooka to fire missiles at unsuspecting mid guys to rake them in. The MTN/MTB community is something truly astonishing.

@LatentIntellectual

Great post, thanks for the high effort response