I have 30k to fix my eye area. What should i do? (pictures)

[mr.neptune]

Attatched are images of my awful eye area. I believe its my biggest failo and holding me back the most, would like to get it at least average.

from images they seem assymetrical but this is not a bone issue/skeletal issue as confirmed by scans and talking with surgeons.

- im considering saddled infra + supras with pags, and then potentially fat grafts after.

is the supra necessary? are implants even worth it for my case and should i just do a cantho? will a fat graft solve all? or should i say fuck it and do all 3 and hope it wont look uncanny.

i recently had an open rhino and weirdly the swelling around my eyes made them look soooo much better for a week or so:

potentially just looking to have em look average/not a failo, looking for some real advice please gang. none of that doomer shit. thank you.

 

[Rahjoyce]

Attatched are images of my awful eye area. I believe its my biggest failo and holding me back the most, would like to get it at least average.

View attachment 3770128View attachment 3770135

from images they seem assymetrical but this is not a bone issue/skeletal issue as confirmed by scans and talking with surgeons.

- im considering saddled infra + supras with pags, and then potentially fat grafts after.

is the supra necessary? are implants even worth it for my case and should i just do a cantho? will a fat graft solve all? or should i say fuck it and do all 3 and hope it wont look uncanny.

i recently had an open rhino and weirdly the swelling around my eyes made them look soooo much better for a week or so:

View attachment 3770163

potentially just looking to have em look average/not a failo, looking for some real advice please gang. none of that doomer shit. thank you.

get orbital decompression surgery for protruding eyes, (your eyes probably looked better while your face was swelling because it made them look more deepset) then get upper blepharoplasty which can help with canthal tilt

 

[mr.neptune]

id like to avoid OD as i dont wanna risk my IPD getting fucked. Any chance periorbital implants give the same effect of having them portrude less?

 

[key]

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples)

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples) 1) Periorbital rim augmentation with PEEK/Titanium implants. 2) Canthoplasty + Lower eyelid retraction 3) Endoscopic Browlift (Non-deal, Ideal is shown in "Combinations" section) 4) Eyebrow transplant 5) Fat grafting 6) Botox to lower brows...

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See this thread. There's 3 examples, all different surgery combinations and their outcomes. Combination 1 would work well in your case and its what I'd recommend to you myself, just minus implants.

People don't realize how much of a crazy difference lateral temporal lift + LLR makes to the eye area, paired with periorbital fat grafting, its the best way for someone to ascend their eye area (unless they have syndrome level bone support).

Don't touch orbital decompression.

 

[mr.neptune]

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples)

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples) 1) Periorbital rim augmentation with PEEK/Titanium implants. 2) Canthoplasty + Lower eyelid retraction 3) Endoscopic Browlift (Non-deal, Ideal is shown in "Combinations" section) 4) Eyebrow transplant 5) Fat grafting 6) Botox to lower brows...

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See this thread. There's 3 examples, all different surgery combinations and their outcomes. Combination 1 would work well in your case and its what I'd recommend to you myself, just minus implants.

People don't realize how much of a crazy difference lateral temporal lift + LLR makes to the eye area, paired with periorbital fat grafting, its the best way for someone to ascend their eye area (unless they have syndrome level bone support).

Don't touch orbital decompression.

you are amazing, god bless you

 

[mr.neptune]

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples)

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples) 1) Periorbital rim augmentation with PEEK/Titanium implants. 2) Canthoplasty + Lower eyelid retraction 3) Endoscopic Browlift (Non-deal, Ideal is shown in "Combinations" section) 4) Eyebrow transplant 5) Fat grafting 6) Botox to lower brows...

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See this thread. There's 3 examples, all different surgery combinations and their outcomes. Combination 1 would work well in your case and its what I'd recommend to you myself, just minus implants.

People don't realize how much of a crazy difference lateral temporal lift + LLR makes to the eye area, paired with periorbital fat grafting, its the best way for someone to ascend their eye area (unless they have syndrome level bone support).

Don't touch orbital decompression.

any surgeon recomendations for those procedures>

 

[lurking truecel]

Canthopexy and at the same time fat grafting.

 

[mbi876]

im considering saddled infra + supras with pags, and then potentially fat grafts after.

Sounds good. Would do canthoplasty aswell

 

[mr.neptune]

Canthopexy and at the same time fat grafting.

any surgeons that performs this at once?

 

[flatcheck213]

get orbital decompression surgery for protruding eyes, (your eyes probably looked better while your face was swelling because it made them look more deepset) then get upper blepharoplasty which can help with canthal tilt

Don’t listen to this idiot you lack bones

 

[lurking truecel]

any surgeons that performs this at once?

Most surgeons the performs surgeries on eye area. Its a standard procedure to combine

 

[key]

any surgeon recomendations for those procedures>

I don't like recommending surgeons unless I've personally consulted with them. I've done a few Turkish surgeons but I'd avoid them all. I'd also stay clear of the american surgeons you see mentioned on here a lot, Taban especially. Dr. Bernardini is the only one I'd comfortably recommend, unless anyone has any others I'm not aware of?

 

[mr.neptune]

Don’t listen to this idiot you lack bones

so at this point implants are definite im guessing?

 

[flatcheck213]

so at this point implants are definite im guessing?

right

 

[niggacum492139]

Send the 30k to me for bimax

 

[key]

Don’t listen to this idiot you lack bones

Yeah he has the tell tale "downgrown" face eyes, its just that implants don't usually fix it, in this guys case tho I'd actually recommend saddled infras before any soft tissue work, with malar extension too.

 

[mr.neptune]

Yeah he has the tell tale "downgrown" face eyes, its just that implants don't usually fix it, in this guys case tho I'd actually recommend saddled infras before any soft tissue work, with malar extension too.

ok perfect, ive already essentially consulted pags on this. Is it worth bothering with the supra implant tho?

 

[mr.neptune]

right

yh i think saddled infra-malars are a must tbf. U reckon supras are worth it or could i get the same deal with just some UEE fat grafting/

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

get orbital decompression surgery for protruding eyes, (your eyes probably looked better while your face was swelling because it made them look more deepset) then get upper blepharoplasty which can help with canthal tilt

Wow, didn't know Taban had a .org account. whatever you do don't get OD, it's a shit surgery that will leave you will a smaller PFL, closer set eyes and a high likely hood of having serious complications prompting you to have go through the 7 layers of hell just to get your normal eye sight/aesthetics back. Take a look at Frank Tufano if you want an example of what could happen.

Your problem, and the problem for 99% of people with bulging eyes is that there is a lack of bone and fat around your eyes, not that they're too forward set. Even kids with crouzons don't usually get OD, they usually get higher level leforts or monobloc to correct this issue. For you implants would likely be the best option for you. I'd say infras mostly, your supras, although not good, aren't death tier.

 

[mr.neptune]

Wow, didn't know Taban had a .org account. whatever you do don't get OD, it's a shit surgery that will leave you will a smaller PFL, closer set eyes and a high likely hood of having serious complications prompting you to have go through the 7 layers of hell just to get your normal eye sight/aesthetics back. Take a look at Frank Tufano if you want an example of what could happen.

Your problem, and the problem for 99% of people with bulging eyes is that there is a lack of bone and fat around your eyes, not that they're too forward set. Even kids with crouzons don't usually get OD, they usually get higher level leforts or monobloc to correct this issue. For you implants would likely be the best option for you. I'd say infras mostly, your supras, although not good, aren't death tier.

i agree with you bro, with that being said, is the supra implant worth bothering with then? or should i leave filling that in to the fat graft?

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

i agree with you bro, with that being said, is the supra implant worth bothering with then? or should i leave filling that in to the fat graft?

idk man, it's up to you to weigh the pros and cons. supras are generally riskier than infras. if i we're you i'd just do fat grafts. ask @chrishell

 

[lookmaxxer998]

Attatched are images of my awful eye area. I believe its my biggest failo and holding me back the most, would like to get it at least average.

View attachment 3770128View attachment 3770135

from images they seem assymetrical but this is not a bone issue/skeletal issue as confirmed by scans and talking with surgeons.

- im considering saddled infra + supras with pags, and then potentially fat grafts after.

is the supra necessary? are implants even worth it for my case and should i just do a cantho? will a fat graft solve all? or should i say fuck it and do all 3 and hope it wont look uncanny.

i recently had an open rhino and weirdly the swelling around my eyes made them look soooo much better for a week or so:

View attachment 3770163

potentially just looking to have em look average/not a failo, looking for some real advice please gang. none of that doomer shit. thank you.

You have a clear negative orbital vector- you should get saddled infraorbital rim-malar implants. As for the other surgeries, I would wait tbh. It will cost you more to do things individually, but it's hard to say how the infra will impact you. Many times people need revisions bc the implant is either too big or doesn't make a noticeable difference (this is the case even with Pags where I think he went too conservative at times bc the patient really didn't want something oversized). Besides you'll use half your budget on the implants as it stands if you went with pags and possibly more than half if you don't live in Italy. If you need revision or the implants get inflected then you want to have backup money to immediately resolve that issue. I think getting some kind of eyelid surgery could also be useful and perhaps an endo browlift too, but the picture you've taken is so close up that it's hard to say what your true canthal tilt is ( I think you may be looking up slightly).

Also please don't listen to dumbass comments about orbital decompression- it's a very high risk surgery and majority of the time the eyes don't look deep-set for people because their surrounding bones lack saggital growth ( are not forward grown enough) or a lack of fat around the eyes. Decompression is meant for thyroid eye disease where there is pressure and inflammation behind the eye due to an autoimmune cause.

 

[mr.neptune]

You have a clear negative orbital vector- you should get saddled infraorbital rim-malar implants. As for the other surgeries, I would wait tbh. It will cost you more to do things individually, but it's hard to say how the infra will impact you. Many times people need revisions bc the implant is either too big or doesn't make a noticeable difference (this is the case even with Pags where I think he went too conservative at times bc the patient really didn't want something oversized). Besides you'll use half your budget on the implants as it stands if you went with pags and possibly more than half if you don't live in Italy. If you need revision or the implants get inflected then you want to have backup money to immediately resolve that issue. I think getting some kind of eyelid surgery could also be useful and perhaps an endo browlift too, but the picture you've taken is so close up that it's hard to say what your true canthal tilt is ( I think you may be looking up slightly).

Also please don't listen to dumbass comments about orbital decompression- it's a very high risk surgery and majority of the time the eyes don't look deep-set for people because their surrounding bones lack saggital growth ( are not forward grown enough) or a lack of fat around the eyes. Decompression is meant for thyroid eye disease where there is pressure and inflammation behind the eye due to an autoimmune cause.

thanks for the response! yes i think the plan for now is to get the infra-malars with pags and see where to go from there. The big question on my mind is if i should bother with getting supras at the same time, what do you think?

 

[mr.neptune]

You have a clear negative orbital vector- you should get saddled infraorbital rim-malar implants. As for the other surgeries, I would wait tbh. It will cost you more to do things individually, but it's hard to say how the infra will impact you. Many times people need revisions bc the implant is either too big or doesn't make a noticeable difference (this is the case even with Pags where I think he went too conservative at times bc the patient really didn't want something oversized). Besides you'll use half your budget on the implants as it stands if you went with pags and possibly more than half if you don't live in Italy. If you need revision or the implants get inflected then you want to have backup money to immediately resolve that issue. I think getting some kind of eyelid surgery could also be useful and perhaps an endo browlift too, but the picture you've taken is so close up that it's hard to say what your true canthal tilt is ( I think you may be looking up slightly).

Also please don't listen to dumbass comments about orbital decompression- it's a very high risk surgery and majority of the time the eyes don't look deep-set for people because their surrounding bones lack saggital growth ( are not forward grown enough) or a lack of fat around the eyes.

 

[IlI]

Attatched are images of my awful eye area. I believe its my biggest failo and holding me back the most, would like to get it at least average.

View attachment 3770128View attachment 3770135

from images they seem assymetrical but this is not a bone issue/skeletal issue as confirmed by scans and talking with surgeons.

- im considering saddled infra + supras with pags, and then potentially fat grafts after.

is the supra necessary? are implants even worth it for my case and should i just do a cantho? will a fat graft solve all? or should i say fuck it and do all 3 and hope it wont look uncanny.

i recently had an open rhino and weirdly the swelling around my eyes made them look soooo much better for a week or so:

View attachment 3770163

potentially just looking to have em look average/not a failo, looking for some real advice please gang. none of that doomer shit. thank you.

whatever u do pls just dont get orbital decompression or some shi bro
consider getting fat grafted under eyes
or just grow your hair out and it will cover (wont fix everything but wont look as bad)

 

[bugbug]

I agree with what some users have already said: your main problem is lack of undereye support, and the only way to fix that is with implants. Unfortunately I would say it's hard to get a good improvement, and many things can go wrong both aesthetically and medically, so be aware of that.

By the way, your eyebrows are also negatively tilted, so a brow lift is a procedure you might consider. It's lighter, safer, cheaper and will improve your eye area too. I think eyebrow angle is often overlooked but it heavily contributes to the tired look that people perceive when they see negatively tilted eye areas.

 

[mr.neptune]

I agree with what some users have already said: your main problem is lack of undereye support, and the only way to fix that is with implants. Unfortunately I would say it's hard to get a good improvement, and many things can go wrong both aesthetically and medically, so be aware of that.

By the way, your eyebrows are also negatively tilted, so a brow lift is a procedure you might consider. It's lighter, safer, cheaper and will improve your eye area too. I think eyebrow angle is often overlooked but it heavily contributes to the tired look that people perceive when they see negatively tilted eye areas.

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what about implant combined with a cantho? surely that would grant a decent improvement, at least get my eye average?

 

[bugbug]

what about implant combined with a cantho? surely that would grant a decent improvement, at least get my eye average?

After having had in-person consultations with several oculoplastic surgeons, I stopped considering cantho. Way too risky and the result is often disappointing if not outright a botch.

Also, it often looks unnatural if you have a positive canthal tilt with no bone support underneath, so I would strongly recommend against getting cantho unless you're also planning to get implants.

I think for most people their surgery budget is better spent on other procedures.

 

[Evgeniy291]

loooool

 

[Evgeniy291]

Infraorbital implants If not satisfied with undereyes then do a bit of undereye fat graft
You will benefit from zygo implants too but thats on you whether u want to get them, might as well get those with infraorbital implants since its the same area and zygos also affect ur undereyes

Canthoplasty to fix eye tilt. Then see if your lower eyelid will be good, it should be since you did infraorbital implants.
If not - do lower eyelid retraction

For the top - might try fat graft and it should do good.
If that didnt work - supraorbital implants combined with fat graft.

Make sure to talk with the surgeon about your whole surgery plan before that, I dont know if supraorbital implants will affect canthoplasty results.

 

[mr.neptune]

After having had in-person consultations with several oculoplastic surgeons, I stopped considering cantho. Way too risky and the result is often disappointing if not outright a botch.

Also, it often looks unnatural if you have a positive canthal tilt with no bone support underneath, so I would strongly recommend against getting cantho unless you're also planning to get implants.

I think for most people their surgery budget is better spent on other procedures.

lets say my budget is infinite and money isnt something to think about, do you then think infra + supra implants combined with upper/lower fat grafts and brow-lift would be a safe bet?

 

[Deleted member 157107]

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lets say my budget is infinite and money isnt something to think about, do you then think infra + supra implants combined with upper/lower fat grafts and brow-lift would be a safe bet?

if your getting implants then i’d recommend cantho because it’d help your eye area just as much and you’d have support from the implants so your eyes after cantho wouldn’t be boneless

 

[bugbug]

lets say my budget is infinite and money isnt something to think about, do you then think infra + supra implants combined with upper/lower fat grafts and brow-lift would be a safe bet?

There is no safe bet when it comes to cosmetic surgery, you might get disappointing aesthetic results or medical complications, although they might be fixable with revision surgeries. That being said, yes, I think implants + brow lift would be appropriate procedures for your case. Not sure about fat grafts since I'm not certain about the long-term stability of the result.

Depending on where you live, you might have to travel to get surgery since it's hard to find a decent, aesthetically-focused implant designer along with an experienced surgeon.

 

[theonlyrealrage]

Attatched are images of my awful eye area. I believe its my biggest failo and holding me back the most, would like to get it at least average.

View attachment 3770128View attachment 3770135

from images they seem assymetrical but this is not a bone issue/skeletal issue as confirmed by scans and talking with surgeons.

- im considering saddled infra + supras with pags, and then potentially fat grafts after.

is the supra necessary? are implants even worth it for my case and should i just do a cantho? will a fat graft solve all? or should i say fuck it and do all 3 and hope it wont look uncanny.

i recently had an open rhino and weirdly the swelling around my eyes made them look soooo much better for a week or so:

View attachment 3770163

potentially just looking to have em look average/not a failo, looking for some real advice please gang. none of that doomer shit. thank you.

Imo it sounds like a solid plan, dm me if you want im alr planning the same procedures. Reading the replies rn tho

 

[theonlyrealrage]

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples)

Eye area hardmaxxes (with examples) 1) Periorbital rim augmentation with PEEK/Titanium implants. 2) Canthoplasty + Lower eyelid retraction 3) Endoscopic Browlift (Non-deal, Ideal is shown in "Combinations" section) 4) Eyebrow transplant 5) Fat grafting 6) Botox to lower brows...

looksmax.org

See this thread. There's 3 examples, all different surgery combinations and their outcomes. Combination 1 would work well in your case and its what I'd recommend to you myself, just minus implants.

People don't realize how much of a crazy difference lateral temporal lift + LLR makes to the eye area, paired with periorbital fat grafting, its the best way for someone to ascend their eye area (unless they have syndrome level bone support).

Don't touch orbital decompression.

Good reply bhai