i swear muslims are so fking retarded

[Frenulum]

muh "everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it"

 

[psychopathic]

everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it

He wasn't arguing that tho

 

[Frenulum]

He wasn't arguing that tho

i said "its a pedo sect", he said "no its not, a few people dont represent a whole religion"

 

[psychopathic]

i said "its a pedo sect", he said "no its not, a few people dont represent a whole religion"

I mean is that not true? An entire religion can't be held responsible for the misdeeds of a select few.

 

[Frenulum]

I mean is that not true? An entire religion can't be held responsible for the misdeeds of a select few.

nice bait

 

[psychopathic]

nice bait

How is this bait? I'm asking you why you think what you think. You misinterpreted his point in this thread so I'm trying to understand your reasoning.

 

[elliottttt]

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muh "everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it"

who cares the jews and freemasons are 10000000000000000000X worse
@Pelvix

 

[Pelvix]

This fucking nigger didn't even mention me in his thread I try my hardest go give great arguments , he goes ahead and makes a retarded thread without any counter arguments , just wrap it up

 

[elliottttt]

This fucking nigger didn't even mention me in his thread I try my hardest go give great arguments , he goes ahead and makes a retarded thread without any counter arguments , just wrap it up

lets put a pause to this shit and go destroy the freemasons and jews. the enemies of humanity

 

[81xa]

I mean is that not true? An entire religion can't be held responsible for the misdeeds of a select few.

because in islam, muhammad is the prophet, he's meant to be the "perfect example" for muslims

doesnt matter if it was the norm back then, bottom line is that he is a perfect example for all muslims meaning that they permit child marriage, evident by the fact they do it very frequently today

 

[fynn]

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muh "everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it"

muslims gotta have the lowest iq out of all religions

 

[elliottttt]

muslims gotta have the lowest iq out of all religions

until hindu walks in
org: shocked
org: rocked

 

[AgentAngularity]

Epic's little org fucktoy talking

 

[psychopathic]

because in islam, muhammad is the prophet, he's meant to be the "perfect example" for muslims

doesnt matter if it was the norm back then, bottom line is that he is a perfect example for all muslims meaning that they permit child marriage, evident by the fact they do it very frequently today

Yeah but the only reason you view that as bad is because, presumably, you grew up in a western society where that was condemned and made illegal long ago. Suppose you grew up somewhere in which that was never looked down upon nor forbidden. It'd be of no significance to you. Morality is entirely subjective.

 

[81xa]

Yeah but the only reason you view that as bad is because, presumably, you grew up in a western society where that was condemned and made illegal long ago. Suppose you grew up somewhere in which that was never looked down upon nor forbidden. It'd be of no significance to you. Morality is entirely subjective.

The Western origin of the belief is irrelevant, young girls bodies aren't physically developed for sex, for example girls under 15 develop obstetric fistula at higher rates

If morality is entirely subjective and shaped by upbringing, then you also have no grounds to condemn something like colonialism, slavery, or anything else. Those were cultural norms too and the people doing them weren't raised to see them as wrong either

For example if we take torturing infants for entertainment, if you believe that's wrong everywhere and always, congratulations you're not a moral relativist and instead a larp

@ICL

 

[combatingNorwooding]

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muh "everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it"

Water

 

[psychopathic]

The Western origin of the belief is irrelevant, young girls bodies aren't physically developed for sex, for example girls under 15 develop obstetric fistula at higher rates

If morality is entirely subjective and shaped by upbringing, then you also have no grounds to condemn something like colonialism, slavery, or anything else. Those were cultural norms too and the people doing them weren't raised to see them as wrong either

For example if we take torturing infants for entertainment, if you believe that's wrong everywhere and always, congratulations you're not a moral relativist and instead a larp

@ICL

To my understanding sex is not an aspect of Islamic marriage when it relates to a male marrying a prepubescent female. They typically raise them and then procreate with them once they turn 15 or have noticeable development. I certainly condone colonialism considering without it we wouldn't be here discussing these matters, don't care about slavery because I'm not a slave nor was I alive during that time, and sure, anything else is up for grabs. Torturing infants to gratify sadistic desires is genuinely not at all related to what's being discussed though. That evokes a distinct biological aversion in 99% of humans due to the fact that we are social creatures.

 

[81xa]

To my understanding sex is not an aspect of Islamic marriage when it relates to a male marrying a prepubescent female. They typically raise them and then procreate with them once they turn 15 or have noticeable development. I certainly condone colonialism considering without it we wouldn't be here discussing these matters, don't care about slavery because I'm not a slave nor was I alive during that time, and sure, anything else is up for grabs. Torturing infants to gratify sadistic desires is genuinely not at all related to what's being discussed though. That evokes a distinct biological aversion in 99% of humans due to the fact that we are social creatures.

Your infant torture point is weak you said it's wrong because it triggers a biological aversion in most humans which is grounding morality in something consistent across cultures, you dropped your original position

Protective instincts toward children from sexual access are also documented cross-culturally. If biological response is your standard then it goes both ways

The colonialism and slavery responses tell me that your belief is personal disengagement. "I don't care because it didn't affect me" isn't claim about the nature of morality. You started with "morality is entirely subjective" and ended with two different positions

 

[psychopathic]

Your infant torture point is weak you said it's wrong because it triggers a biological aversion in most humans which is grounding morality in something consistent across cultures, you dropped your original position

Protective instincts toward children from sexual access are also documented cross-culturally. If biological response is your standard then it goes both ways

The colonialism and slavery responses tell me that your belief is personal disengagement. "I don't care because it didn't affect me" isn't claim about the nature of morality. You started with "morality is entirely subjective" and ended with two different positions

Except I never said it was wrong. Reread what I said, and you'll realize I never condemned any points you made. Besides, even if I did believe it was wrong, that would be a subjective stance, as there are plenty of people out there who honestly do not see it as wrong. The argument started with Islamic marriages and what was stated in the Qur'an, you then began fixating on my point of moral subjectivity. You are actively splitting topics and telling me my positions are changing.

 

[IOS]

why yall always fighting

 

[Jgns]

To my understanding sex is not an aspect of Islamic marriage when it relates to a male marrying a prepubescent female. They typically raise them and then procreate with them once they turn 15 or have noticeable development. I certainly condone colonialism considering without it we wouldn't be here discussing these matters, don't care about slavery because I'm not a slave nor was I alive during that time, and sure, anything else is up for grabs. Torturing infants to gratify sadistic desires is genuinely not at all related to what's being discussed though. That evokes a distinct biological aversion in 99% of humans due to the fact that we are social creatures.

Icl the thought of raising someone with love then ‘breeding’ them is insanely disgusting

 

[psychopathic]

Icl the thought of raising someone with love then ‘breeding’ them is insanely disgusting

I guess. I don't think of it that way though.

 

[Jgns]

I guess. I don't think of it that way though.

Whats ur opinion on it

 

[Kiril Velev]

just two stacies arguing with each other normal day on this forum

 

[psychopathic]

Whats ur opinion on it

If it's not consanguineous there'd be no room for birth defects or genetic diseases, so I don't see an issue. If you dislike the age gap, I understand that, but I don't relate. It's difficult to put into words why that is.

 

[ICL]

Yeah but the only reason you view that as bad is because, presumably, you grew up in a western society where that was condemned and made illegal long ago. Suppose you grew up somewhere in which that was never looked down upon nor forbidden. It'd be of no significance to you. Morality is entirely subjective.

Unfortunately, prophet muhammad tapped 9 year old aisha (water as we know) is an issue as she was pre-pubescent, which we can deduce as immoral due to biological factors.

Their book states that aisha played with dolls near the prophet, and he did not critique it.

Playing with dolls is prohibted in the religion, unless you are prepubescent

Hence, either the book is contradictory, or prophet muhammad statutorily raped a pre-pubescent child.

Many individuals argue that "but she's developed tho so the number doesn't matter"

However, she was developing, and she didn't even have developed features, so we can't deduce she's developed

 

[psychopathic]

Unfortunately, prophet muhammad tapped 9 year old aisha (water as we know) is an issue as she was pre-pubescent, which we can deduce as immoral due to biological factors.

Their book states that aisha played with dolls near the prophet, and he did not critique it.

Playing with dolls is prohibted in the religion, unless you are prepubescent

Hence, either the book is contradictory, or prophet muhammad statutorily raped a pre-pubescent child.

Many individuals argue that "but she's developed tho"

However, she was developing, and she didn't even have developed features, so we can't deduce she's developed

The claim that Mohammed cracked Aisha when she was 9 comes from Hadith literature, not the actual Qur'an. There is additional speculation that she was much older due to reports of her sister Asma. I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination, so don't confuse my points with the defense of Islam. At the end of the day, as we understand it, this took place at a time where humans were still an early species and the documentation of historical events was, at best, heavily inaccurate. We're essentially arguing over hearsay.

 

[81xa]

Except I never said it was wrong. Reread what I said, and you'll realize I never condemned any points you made. Besides, even if I did believe it was wrong, that would be a subjective stance, as there are plenty of people out there who honestly do not see it as wrong. The argument started with Islamic marriages and what was stated in the Qur'an, you then began fixating on my point of moral subjectivity. You are actively splitting topics and telling me my positions are changing.

im not splitting topics you introduced moral subjectivity as your primary argument to defend child marriage in your very first reply. Debunking the defense you provided is just how debate works

Your definition of subjectivity is poor since you're arguing that because some people out there do not see torture as wrong, morality must be subjective. Disagreement does not equal subjectivity. Some people believe the earth is flat but their existence does not make the shape of the planet a subjective stance does it? jfl

If you're retreating to the position that you never actually condemned infant torture, you're just larping moral nihilism, If your genuine stance is that literally nothing is objectively wrong, then you cannot defend child marriage either. Your entire argument is just "it is not wrong because nothing is wrong" you basically have no ethical framework at all

@ICL @Jgns @Kiril Velev @Frenulum

 

[81xa]

The claim that Mohammed cracked Aisha when she was 9 comes from Hadith literature, not the actual Qur'an. There is additional speculation that she was much older due to reports of her sister Asma. I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination, so don't confuse my points with the defense of Islam. At the end of the day, as we understand it, this took place at a time where humans were still an early species and the documentation of historical events was, at best, heavily inaccurate. We're essentially arguing over hearsay.

It comes from Sahih Al Bukhari 5134, Sahih Al bukhari is one of the most reputable and strongest hadiths that serious muslim scholars use

@ICL

 

[ICL]

The claim that Mohammed cracked Aisha when she was 9 comes from Hadith literature, not the actual Qur'an. There is additional speculation that she was much older due to reports of her sister Asma. I'm not religious by any stretch of the imagination, so don't confuse my points with the defense of Islam. At the end of the day, as we understand it, this took place at a time where humans were still an early species and the documentation of historical events was, at best, heavily inaccurate. We're essentially arguing over hearsay.

Hadiths are reliable representations what the books say

It's simply the prophet quoted by another guy.

Regardless, what he did is still immoral. This spectrum is fairly nuanced, but the mudslimes are pretty stupid when it comes to protecting their religion. Pubescent children, whatever, that's another argument and frankly I can see when it's excusable with certain nuanced, though what prophet muhammad did is unexcusable and does not fall into those nuances

They also weren't "where humans were still an early species", it was less than a thousand years ago, humans have existed millions of years

 

[psychopathic]

im not splitting topics you introduced moral subjectivity as your primary argument to defend child marriage in your very first reply. Debunking the defense you provided is just how debate works

Your definition of subjectivity is poor since you're arguing that because some people out there do not see torture as wrong, morality must be subjective. Disagreement does not equal subjectivity. Some people believe the earth is flat but their existence does not make the shape of the planet a subjective stance does it? jfl

If you're retreating to the position that you never actually condemned infant torture, you're just larping moral nihilism, If your genuine stance is that literally nothing is objectively wrong, then you cannot defend child marriage either. Your entire argument is just "it is not wrong because nothing is wrong" you basically have no ethical framework at all

@ICL @Jgns @Kiril Velev @Frenulum

Took you 32 minutes to drop this Grok rehearsed stink bomb and you still had to tag your minions. You're conflating moral subjectivism with moral nihilism and it's so goofy. Saying morality is subjective does not mean I approve of torture nor that nothing can be wrong according to a moral framework. Your flat earth analogy only works if my argument is "people disagree, therefore morality is subjective." Of course, if you were actually listening, you'd realize my point is that objective moral facts are not established in the same way empirical facts like the shape of the Earth are. Entirely different claims. You're becoming really tiresome really fast, so far, you've proven to be the only one who doesn't know what they believe. And I never condoned child marriage. In turn, I shall not cast my pearls amongst niggers.

 

[81xa]

Took you 32 minutes to drop this Grok rehearsed stink bomb and you still had to tag your minions. You're conflating moral subjectivism with moral nihilism and it's so goofy. Saying morality is subjective does not mean I approve of torture nor that nothing can be wrong according to a moral framework. Your flat earth analogy only works if my argument is "people disagree, therefore morality is subjective." Of course, if you were actually listening, you'd realize my point is that objective moral facts are not established in the same way empirical facts like the shape of the Earth are. Entirely different claims. You're becoming really tiresome really fast, so far, you've proven to be the only one who doesn't know what they believe. And I never condoned child marriage. In turn, I shall not cast my pearls amongst niggers.

your first message was running defense for child marriage by telling someone they only view it as bad because of "Western conditionin." You can backpedal now and say you never condoned it you can scroll up for 2 seconds and see

you can define morality as subjective but that means your framework has zero authority over anyone else, you cant logically tell someone they are wrong"for condemning child marriage, because condemning it is simply part of their framework you argued yourself to a point where your own opinions doesnt matter

flee nigger

 

[CloudyCuck]

Muslim tards be like a few evil people don’t represent us tho. Meanwhile the evil people are the nigga mohammed who they worship

 

[6”LTN]

WATERRRRRR

 

[psychopathic]

your first message was running defense for child marriage by telling someone they only view it as bad because of "Western conditionin." You can backpedal now and say you never condoned it you can scroll up for 2 seconds and see

you can define morality as subjective but that means your framework has zero authority over anyone else, you cant logically tell someone they are wrong"for condemning child marriage, because condemning it is simply part of their framework you argued yourself to a point where your own opinions doesnt matter

flee nigger

Always get a good laugh out of people with meager intellect thinking they won an argument because of their fundamental misinterpretations of simple words.

 

[asdvek]

Took you 32 minutes to drop this Grok rehearsed stink bomb and you still had to tag your minions. You're conflating moral subjectivism with moral nihilism and it's so goofy. Saying morality is subjective does not mean I approve of torture nor that nothing can be wrong according to a moral framework. Your flat earth analogy only works if my argument is "people disagree, therefore morality is subjective." Of course, if you were actually listening, you'd realize my point is that objective moral facts are not established in the same way empirical facts like the shape of the Earth are. Entirely different claims. You're becoming really tiresome really fast, so far, you've proven to be the only one who doesn't know what they believe. And I never condoned child marriage. In turn, I shall not cast my pearls amongst niggers.

It's embarrassing seeing this complete random tag a bunch of other randoms to give him a pity rep and not even read a word from his garbage wall of text

What a cringe circle jerk

 

[dhusc]

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muh "everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it"

he never said that tho

 

[81xa]

Always get a good laugh out of people with meager intellect thinking they won an argument because of their fundamental misinterpretations of simple words.

It's embarrassing seeing this complete random tag a bunch of other randoms to give him a pity rep and not even read a word from his garbage wall of text

What a cringe circle jerk

Whatever protects your egos faggots

 

[dhusc]

It comes from Sahih Al Bukhari 5134, Sahih Al bukhari is one of the most reputable and strongest hadiths that serious muslim scholars use

@ICL

hadiths aren't infalliable and there are many claims of her being older

some being how age was recorded or her being in a conflict where no one under 14 could join etc.

 

[Kiril Velev]

Some people believe the earth is flat but their existence does not make the shape of the planet a subjective stance does it? jfl

to be honest creating a truly consistent framework around this topic will take an insane amount of time and IQ but taking your reply at face value on first read, I'd say this is a very bad example and docent relate to the topic, I think you're Muslim so you should be keenly aware there is a very clear separation between physical phenomena, like the shape of the earth, and spiritual ones like morals, the shape of the earth is numerically provable morals are not.

 

[velwetyy]

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muh "everyone did it and thats why i can fuck kids too because my prophet did it"

Don't learn Islam from Muslims

 

[81xa]

to be honest creating a truly consistent framework around this topic will take an insane amount of time and IQ but taking your reply at face value on first read, I'd say this is a very bad example and docent relate to the topic, I think you're Muslim so you should be keenly aware there is a very clear separation between physical phenomena, like the shape of the earth, and spiritual ones like morals, the shape of the earth is numerically provable morals are not.

im not a muslim
youre missing the purpose of the flat earth analogy I am not equating physical science to spiritual morals its about the flawed logic of the previous argument

the original claim was essentially "because people disagree on an issue, that issue must be subjective" using flat earthers proves that disagreement doesnt automatically make a concept subjective. the structural logic of that argument is broken. Morals are not numerically provable like the shape of a planet, the physical and psychological damage caused by things like child marriage or infant torture is tho

 

[Frenulum]

to be honest creating a truly consistent framework around this topic will take an insane amount of time and IQ but taking your reply at face value on first read, I'd say this is a very bad example and docent relate to the topic, I think you're Muslim so you should be keenly aware there is a very clear separation between physical phenomena, like the shape of the earth, and spiritual ones like morals, the shape of the earth is numerically provable morals are not.

I agree with you, my thread wasnt about morality, but about "muslims" trying to make their morality "superior" and allow their prophet to do things they prohibit and call it good against their quran moral rules, even tho morality doesnt exist

I couldnt care less if you rape, kill or help a grandma across the street

 

[Frenulum]

Always get a good laugh out of people with meager intellect thinking they won an argument because of their fundamental misinterpretations of simple words.

You also misinterpreted my thread retard

I agree with you, my thread wasnt about morality, but about "muslims" trying to make their morality "superior" and allow their prophet to do things they prohibit and call it good against their quran moral rules, even tho morality doesnt exist

I couldnt care less if you rape, kill or help a grandma across the street