i think im becoming a muslim

[Ropemaxxer924]

Who tf is that

Idk what her Name was again but it was smth with rebekka

 

[Kevin926]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power"

Didn’t read a single molecule tbh

 

[Rabbi]

The guy is mistaken because, from his perspective, he believes that the Kaaba was originally built by Abraham. However, that's not the case. Both the Kaaba and Al-Aqsa were first built during the time of Adam. The claim that they were built 40 years apart is valid. After the flood during the time of Noah, everything on Earth was destroyed. Later, God commanded Abraham and his son Ishmael to rebuild the Kaaba. He missed important info here or delibiratly kept it out.

That position is commonly held by Muslim scholars to reconcile the inconsistency between the two accounts.

I did not miss it or deliberately leave it out. Give me a Surah or Hadith that states that they were first built in the time of Adam then I’ll admit I was wrong.

 

[emeraldglass]

That position is commonly held by Muslim scholars to reconcile the inconsistency between the two accounts.

I did not miss it or deliberately leave it out. Give me a Surah or Hadith that states that they were first built in the time of Adam then I’ll admit I was wrong.

The Qur’an states:

“Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah [Mecca]—blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”


This verse is understood by many scholars to indicate that the Kaaba was originally established by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). Over time, it was destroyed by the flood, and Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma’il (Ishmael) to rebuild it, as mentioned in the Qur’an:

“And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael…”


Regarding Al-Masjid al-Aqsa, the hadith reported by Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was built first on earth?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haram [in Mecca].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].’ I said, ‘How long was between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years.’”


This narration suggests a 40 year gap between the establishment of the two mosques. Given that Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob), the grandson of Ibrahim, lived approximately 40 years after him, many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, deduce that Ya’qub was responsible for re-establishing Al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Ibn Kathir notes:

“According to the People of the Book, Jacob (Ya‘qub – peace be upon him) was the one who laid the foundations of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is the masjid of Aelia, the masjid of Bayt al-Maqdis, may Allah honour it.”


Over time, Al-Masjid al-Aqsa experienced periods of neglect. Prophet Sulayman (Solomon), peace be upon him, undertook a significant reconstruction of the mosque. He wasn’t the original builder, but his efforts were substantial, leading many to associate the mosque’s establishment with him. This is supported by narrations indicating that Prophet Dawud (David) initiated the construction, but it was completed by Sulayman. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani explains:


“David started the construction of Bayt al-Maqdis and then Allah revealed that it would be built by Solomon.”



So in summary, what happened is:

The Kaaba was initially established by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma’il.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was re-established by Prophet Ya’qub (the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim), approximately 40 years after the Kaaba’s reconstruction.

Prophet Sulayman undertook a significant reconstruction of Al-Masjid al-Aqsa after periods of neglect.

 

[Basedman420]

if you have any logical question about islam ask me I'll answer

 

[Rabbi]

The Qur’an states:

“Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah [Mecca]—blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”


This verse is understood by many scholars to indicate that the Kaaba was originally established by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). Over time, it was destroyed by the flood, and Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma’il (Ishmael) to rebuild it, as mentioned in the Qur’an:

“And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael…”


Regarding Al-Masjid al-Aqsa, the hadith reported by Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was built first on earth?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haram [in Mecca].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].’ I said, ‘How long was between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years.’”


This narration suggests a 40 year gap between the establishment of the two mosques. Given that Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob), the grandson of Ibrahim, lived approximately 40 years after him, many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, deduce that Ya’qub was responsible for re-establishing Al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Ibn Kathir notes:

“According to the People of the Book, Jacob (Ya‘qub – peace be upon him) was the one who laid the foundations of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is the masjid of Aelia, the masjid of Bayt al-Maqdis, may Allah honour it.”


Over time, Al-Masjid al-Aqsa experienced periods of neglect. Prophet Sulayman (Solomon), peace be upon him, undertook a significant reconstruction of the mosque. He wasn’t the original builder, but his efforts were substantial, leading many to associate the mosque’s establishment with him. This is supported by narrations indicating that Prophet Dawud (David) initiated the construction, but it was completed by Sulayman. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani explains:


“David started the construction of Bayt al-Maqdis and then Allah revealed that it would be built by Solomon.”



So in summary, what happened is:

The Kaaba was initially established by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma’il.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was re-established by Prophet Ya’qub (the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim), approximately 40 years after the Kaaba’s reconstruction.

Prophet Sulayman undertook a significant reconstruction of Al-Masjid al-Aqsa after periods of neglect.

Thanks for the answer.

While I can accept that is a possible answer that reconciles the accounts, I can’t see a reason why any of the Islamic sources point towards this position.

The verse you stated only supports the primacy of the Kaaba as a building of worship, it does not support the notion that it was built by Adam. There is no account that I can find which suggests that Adam built any structures/houses of worship during his life, nor any pre flood prophets for that matter.

Secondly if the position is tbh at Abraham and Ishmael built (or rebuilt) the Kaaba, and Al-Aqsa was constructed 40 years later, it becomes difficult to reconcile this with the claim that Jacob, who was his grandchild, without specific ages given of when the structures were built and what age Abraham fathered, then Isaac fathered it could be more or less than 40 years (more the chronologies from Jewish/Christian texts would render a 40 year gap impossible but Islamic sources are silent).

There is also the practical aspect to this that is hard to reconcile. Assume Adam built the Kaaba then Abraham reconstructed it. That means the structure has been standing for thousands of years at a minimum (continuity from Abraham till now) and existed as a place of worship for Jews lying at the heart of a central trade route. Yet we have zero sources for this prior to 300 BC despite occupations of different, and zero pre Islamic correspondence by Jews or Christian’s, many Jews by the way that would have been in that areas for centuries have no oral nor written attestation to this fact. The first and only claim we have is Muhammad coming across a group of Jews who informed him of this with zero attestation outside of him.

Also I believe that Ibn Kathir quote may be misused

Here’s what he states about taking authoritative statements from the people of the scriptures.

Another topic of debate was about who first built the Ka'bah. Some said the angels did while others said Adam or Sheeth. The majority of those who hold these opinions probably take it from the books of the People of the Scripture that can neither be believed nor rejected without strong support from hadith. (Tafisr Ibn Kathir-Part 1 Surah Al-Fatiah Surah Al-Baqara, ayat 1 to 141

Another user did say that some scholars hold the position that Jacob built it, Ibn Kathir neither denies nor accepts this, as for his position personally, the closest to a definitive statement I have is this.

The most credible of statements is that Abraham, al-Khalil, "the true friend", peace be upon him, was the first who built it, as reported above. Simak b. Harb so related, from Khalid b. 'Ar'ara back to 'Ali b. Abu Thalib who said, "Then it collapsed, was rebuilt by al-'amaliqa [the Amalekites], 'the giants', fell down and was built again by Jurhum; thereafter it collapsed and was rebuilt by Quraysh." (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya),

From this we can assume he holds the primacy of the Kaaba being built by Abraham as the most credible position in his estimation.

Next your quotes of Hajar al-Asqalani

Firstly let’s acknowledge this is neither Quran nor Hadith but exegesis by a scholar.

Secondly, now I admit I can’t read Arabic but when you quote that David was given the task of construction, I imagine there is a difference in words between construction and reconstruction/restoration so unless the translation of the word is reconstruction not construction we have no reason to assume there being a pre-existing structure that David/Solomon we’re tasked with restoring.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

the muslim belief is that the first man on this planet was a prophet of allah and allah has been sending prophets ever since

Is it true that the first Muzzie ever (Adam) landed first landed in Sri Lanka? Or did Whatsapp university lie to me

 

[shia.jihadist]

Is it true that the first Muzzie ever (Adam) landed first landed in Sri Lanka? Or did Whatsapp university lie to me

theres no hadith about it as far as i know

 

[mandiblade]

Forgive me if i missed something, I dont remember talking about jewish law at all.

Weren't you saying that Islam disobeyed/defied the jewish law prohibiting relations with captives?

however my point is it was awfully convenient and in my opinion out of the abrahamic god's character to allow his people to have sex with married women.

"Out of His character" is an opinion and not necessarily an objective critique.

It was especially convenient that this happened right after the capture of women from a battle

Most Quranic revelation is context-appropriate. People needed (and still do) guidance when it came to morality, and it just makes sense to provide revelation appropriate to the context.

This is not even close to the core aspects of the discussion, it doesn't change a thing if you believe islam started with adam or it started from judism. We can both agree that Moses would disagree when it comes to sex with married women as well as the abrahamic god.

I said that it was one of the core aspects of the discussion because you kept repeating the idea that Islam is a "false derivative" of Judaism. You now proceeded to say that Moses would disagree?
About Moses disagreeing
1. We have no way of knowing if Moses disagreed with this himself, or if this idea was propogated by whoever changed the Torah
2. Even if he disagreed, in the Islamic paradigm, it wouldn't matter because it was changed(if..) into being permissible for this Ummah
3. It would also be relatively consistent within Christian theology, which is also subject to extreme inter-scripture abrogations.

Obviously they weren't revealed at once, but this one definitely got revealed at the right time almost like it was made up

I was a bit too adamant on this point. I did independently find(if my memory serves me correctly) that it was revealed after a war. However, being context-appropriate doesn't necessitate being made on a whim.

Again I sent you a link which explains the time period that surah was revealed, ive seen some muslims scholars agree this happened right after the battle as-well.

Yeah I answered my own question

When you have the time send me the quote from surah 37, I cant find anything that allows muhammed more than 4 wives.

Sorry it was surah 33.
Part of verse 37:

So when Zaid totally lost interest in ˹keeping˺ his wife, We gave her to you in marriage

Part of verse 38:

There is no blame on the Prophet for doing what Allah has ordained for him

Part of verse 52:

It is not lawful for you ˹O Prophet˺ to marry more women after this, nor can you replace any of your present wives with another

This surah allows the 9th one and prohibits any additions

 

[Ogionth]

The Qur’an states:

“Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah [Mecca]—blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”


This verse is understood by many scholars to indicate that the Kaaba was originally established by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). Over time, it was destroyed by the flood, and Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma’il (Ishmael) to rebuild it, as mentioned in the Qur’an:

“And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael…”


Regarding Al-Masjid al-Aqsa, the hadith reported by Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was built first on earth?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haram [in Mecca].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].’ I said, ‘How long was between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years.’”


This narration suggests a 40 year gap between the establishment of the two mosques. Given that Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob), the grandson of Ibrahim, lived approximately 40 years after him, many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, deduce that Ya’qub was responsible for re-establishing Al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Ibn Kathir notes:

“According to the People of the Book, Jacob (Ya‘qub – peace be upon him) was the one who laid the foundations of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is the masjid of Aelia, the masjid of Bayt al-Maqdis, may Allah honour it.”


Over time, Al-Masjid al-Aqsa experienced periods of neglect. Prophet Sulayman (Solomon), peace be upon him, undertook a significant reconstruction of the mosque. He wasn’t the original builder, but his efforts were substantial, leading many to associate the mosque’s establishment with him. This is supported by narrations indicating that Prophet Dawud (David) initiated the construction, but it was completed by Sulayman. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani explains:


“David started the construction of Bayt al-Maqdis and then Allah revealed that it would be built by Solomon.”



So in summary, what happened is:

The Kaaba was initially established by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma’il.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was re-established by Prophet Ya’qub (the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim), approximately 40 years after the Kaaba’s reconstruction.

Prophet Sulayman undertook a significant reconstruction of Al-Masjid al-Aqsa after periods of neglect.

Hey buddy, don't bother replying to him anymore.

I've eviscerated his argument in his original posts by two different famous islamic views -that include 99% of Ummah's beliefs- on this topic (the view of Ibn Kathir and some scholars and another view) and neither has a self contradiction.

He has quit arguing there after realising how stupid it was to begin with.

You can read the argument there if you wish, but I'm just notifying you that the self contradiction is not found in ANY of the two views and it is only found when he makes assumptions out of thin air.

 

[emeraldglass]

Hey buddy, don't bother replying to him anymore.

I've eviscerated his argument in his original posts by two different famous islamic views -that include 99% of Ummah's beliefs- on this topic (the view of Ibn Kathir and some scholars and another view) and neither has a self contradiction.

He has quit arguing there after realising how stupid it was to begin with.

You can read the argument there if you wish, but I'm just notifying you that the self contradiction is not found in ANY of the two views and it is only found when he makes assumptions out of thin air.

Aight bro thanks for the heads up.

 

[prag]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power"

come dm and ill explakn why islam and not other religion with logical arguments

 

[prag]

Islam is the worst of the bunch. IT barely has any stability let alone any structure for its theology.

Wdym by that!

 

[UtahParentCenterPSL]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power"

Another soul to never encounter the holy spirit. Enjoy hell with the Indians

 

[jeremyy]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power

 

[muwahhid]

The story of Adam and Eve orginated from Judiasm, islam started with muhammed. You dont even know shit about our own religion and your calling me low iq.

Mouhammed studied Judiasm and made his own religion expanding from Judiasm.

In Judaism Sex with a women that is married is a one of the gravest sins and there is no exeptions, mouhammed captured a bunch of married women and "miraculously" god revealed to him that they were now allowed to fuck married women if they are captives.

there are many cases of god "revealing" this to Muhammad that benefit him personally.

low iq comment

 

[muwahhid]

hm, i already got most of them answered by @Ogionth but i dont get why people back in the days got killed for leaving islam? Sahih al-Bukhari, 3017

apostasy law is still prevalent, no one ACTUALLY leaves islam anyway lmfao

 

[muwahhid]

Islam is the worst of the bunch. IT barely has any stability let alone any structure for its theology.

low iq larp

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

apostasy law is still prevalent, no one ACTUALLY leaves islam anyway lmfao

cope /kōp/

intransitive verb​

1. To contend or strive, especially on even terms or with success.
   "coping with child-rearing and a full-time job."
2. To contend with difficulties and act to overcome them.
3. To form a cope or arch; to bend or arch; to bow.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

low iq larp

Do you want me to post a thread on how many whores your belief harbours? A lot of islamic women sure do love getting dicked but not by muslim men jfl. They really love thier kaffirs just like the Jew their goyim.

 

[muwahhid]

if muhammad (upon him be peace) was a "cult leader" or fake prophet, why did he deny having any divinity and reject offers that would have made him the richest and strongest at his time? instead he stayed honest, as the messenger of god

hm, but why didnt islam get changed into a different relegion by a different proph

 

[muwahhid]

cope /kōp/

intransitive verb​

1. To contend or strive, especially on even terms or with success.
   "coping with child-rearing and a full-time job."
2. To contend with difficulties and act to overcome them.
3. To form a cope or arch; to bend or arch; to bow.

No ones coping retardcel nigga we unapologetically execute public apostates if they reject dawah for a certain period

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

No ones coping retardcel nigga we unapologetically execute public apostates if they reject dawah for a certain period

Where? You people are pussy whipped to death. Hell you make jews look straight with the amount of pedestry you lot do.

 

[muwahhid]

Do you want me to post a thread on how many whores your belief harbours? A lot of islamic women sure do love getting dicked but not by muslim men jfl. They really love thier kaffirs just like the Jew their goyim.

A random hoe that calls herself muslim doesnt represent the religion, and thats a completely i-dont-touch-grass western view anyway. Talk about what a pious muslim woman would do instead. And keep larping w randomahh strawmans since u cant actually refute shi goofy

 

[muwahhid]

Where? You people are pussy whipped to death. Hell you make jews look straight with the amount of pedestry you lot do.

Dnr ad hominem + Any islamic states, not in non muslim lands retard

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

A random hoe that calls herself muslim doesnt represent the religion, and thats a completely i-dont-touch-grass western view anyway. Talk about what a pious muslim woman would do instead. And keep larping w randomahh strawmans since u cant actually refute shi goofy

Random hoe? You mean thousands on thousands. You wanna forget how many migrant muslims came to the west? Of course not.
Refute what? That your knock black rock worship is a trait your jewish forefathers handed to your prophet, if he even was real.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Dnr ad hominem + Any islamic states, not in non muslim lands retard

Sure sure. I am sure they do so in Turkey, Iran, Indo, Bosnia and a majority of them.

 

[muwahhid]

This is a very, very common question. If you search this up on youtube, you'll get a plethora of results. I advise TheMuslimLantern's vids on this. Anyhow, here's an answer

1. People did not have their heads chopped off the second they told their friends, "umm...bro...I think my faith isn't that strong." Once someone expresses their concerns, people are supposed to answer their questions, as is happening right now. Let's just say they weren't convinced. Again, people will not get their heads chopped off as soon as they say "yeah bro it doesn't make sense." People are supposed to be given multiple chances at staying Muslims.
2. For the government(whether it be then or now) to even know that you are not a Muslim, you must publicly announce it. There is simply no other way. Especially back then, there was no neurolink checking if you had doubts or not. When you publicly announce something like that, you are disturbing the faith of the weak. Islam's rules make sense from an Islamic paradigm. In Islam, if you leave Islam, you're practically doomed to Hell. If you disturb the faith of the weak and young and they end up leaving as well, they're also going to Hell. By putting your decision out there like that, you have intentionally stirred up doubts in the minds of the public.

Like many other questions, this can be approached from different angles. There are probably other answers are well.

Mashallah highiqcel akhi i gotta be as eloquent as you

 

[muwahhid]

Random hoe? You mean thousands on thousands. You wanna forget how many migrant muslims came to the west? Of course not.
Refute what? That your knock black rock worship is a trait your jewish forefathers handed to your prophet, if he even was real.

Idc ab random women nigga, make an example of what a woman who follows the religion would be like. My wife lives w me in the west rn, has never been in a rl w anyone and has been wearing a burqa since 12 or so. Touch grass nigga u incel

 

[sub5179]

no

 

[muwahhid]

Sure sure. I am sure they do so in Turkey, Iran, Indo, Bosnia and a majority of them.

Secular countries. Again ur ad homineming with groups of ppl rather than actually refuting the religion. This is why I said ur a low iqcel u fucking retard

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Idc ab random women nigga, make an example of what a woman who follows the religion would be like. My wife lives w me in the west rn, has never been in a rl w anyone and has been wearing a burqa since 12 or so. Touch grass nigga u incel

Mhm. You really think she does peak at the nicer and faired white men? Please, do not think she is with you cus "muh allah".

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Secular countries. Again ur ad homineming with groups of ppl rather than actually refuting the religion. This is why I said ur a low iqcel u fucking retard

Yet the brownoid cannot speak normal english. Has to swear when someone insults his child molesting messiah and brain dead religion.
Speak something and believe in advancement you stone brained ape.

 

[muwahhid]

Run from the actual points more, u adhominemcel

Yet the brownoid cannot speak normal english. Has to swear when someone insults his child molesting messiah and brain dead religion.
Speak something and believe in advancement you stone brained ape.

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Run from the actual points more, u adhominemcel

Fine then. Your meccah, the black box. How come your prophet worships it, do you know the origins of worshipping the black rock?

 

[muwahhid]

Fine then. Your meccah, the black box. How come your prophet worships it, do you know the origins of worshipping the black ro

Level 1 argument

Every muslim recites this a minimum of 5 times, quoted from Surah Fatihah Verse 5:
اِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَاِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِيْنُ : “You alone we worship, and from You alone we seek help”
This clearly shows that Islam is a religion of monotheism and we worship nothing but the Creator, period
When you put your head on the floor for Allah in prostration youre not worshipping the floor. Youre simply following the instructions the creator gave you to pray. In the same manner, we simply pray in the direction of the Kaabah as God commanded it. So its not worshipping the kaabah, its worshipping the creator by obeying him. It unites muslims all around the world. If Allah commanded us to pray in any other direction, we would do it, lmao. Walking around the kaabah as a ritual ordered by god isnt idolatry, that makes no sense. its idolatry if youre WORSHIPPING the kaabah. Which, as clearly shown, would exit anyone from islam immediately. The kaabah wasnt built by idol worshippers, it was built by Abraham upon him be peace and we took over it from them after they started using it for disbelief and we corrected them and reinstated monotheism

 

[InanimatePragmatist]

Level 1 argument

Every muslim recites this a minimum of 5 times, quoted from Surah Fatihah Verse 5:
اِيَّاكَ نَعْبُدُ وَاِيَّاكَ نَسْتَعِيْنُ : “You alone we worship, and from You alone we seek help”
This clearly shows that Islam is a religion of monotheism and we worship nothing but the Creator, period
When you put your head on the floor for Allah in prostration youre not worshipping the floor. Youre simply following the instructions the creator gave you to pray. In the same manner, we simply pray in the direction of the Kaabah as God commanded it. So its not worshipping the kaabah, its worshipping the creator by obeying him. It unites muslims all around the world. If Allah commanded us to pray in any other direction, we would do it, lmao. Walking around the kaabah as a ritual ordered by god isnt idolatry, that makes no sense. its idolatry if youre WORSHIPPING the kaabah. Which, as clearly shown, would exit anyone from islam immediately. The kaabah wasnt built by idol worshippers, it was built by Abraham upon him be peace and we took over it from them after they started using it for disbelief and we corrected them and reinstated monotheism

 

[muwahhid]

Cry cause even a fucking muslim toddler can refute ur ahh

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[mandiblade]

Mashallah highiqcel akhi i gotta be as eloquent as you

JazakAllahu khairan. I was on r/UnpopularOpinion and r/ChangeMyView from age 9 lol.

No ones coping _cel _ we unapologetically execute public apostates if they reject dawah for a certain period

No need to curse. Also, do not engage in discussions with people who make no arguments and only insult.

My wife lives w me in the west rn

Lol what are you doing on an incel forum dude

Again, don't engage in discussions with insulters.

 

[muwahhid]

JazakAllahu khairan. I was on r/UnpopularOpinion and r/ChangeMyView from age 9 lol.

No need to curse. Also, do not engage in discussions with people who make no arguments and only insult.

Lol what are you doing on an incel forum dude

Again, don't engage in discussions with insulters.

jazak allahu khayran for the reminder, youre correct
i simply found the site interesting akhi found out ab it from a yt video, dont be pure blackpilled btw