i think im becoming a muslim

[Ropemaxxer924]

Who tf is that

Idk what her Name was again but it was smth with rebekka

 

[Kevin926]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power"

Didn’t read a single molecule tbh

 

[Rabbi]

The guy is mistaken because, from his perspective, he believes that the Kaaba was originally built by Abraham. However, that's not the case. Both the Kaaba and Al-Aqsa were first built during the time of Adam. The claim that they were built 40 years apart is valid. After the flood during the time of Noah, everything on Earth was destroyed. Later, God commanded Abraham and his son Ishmael to rebuild the Kaaba. He missed important info here or delibiratly kept it out.

That position is commonly held by Muslim scholars to reconcile the inconsistency between the two accounts.

I did not miss it or deliberately leave it out. Give me a Surah or Hadith that states that they were first built in the time of Adam then I’ll admit I was wrong.

 

[emeraldglass]

That position is commonly held by Muslim scholars to reconcile the inconsistency between the two accounts.

I did not miss it or deliberately leave it out. Give me a Surah or Hadith that states that they were first built in the time of Adam then I’ll admit I was wrong.

The Qur’an states:

“Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah [Mecca]—blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”


This verse is understood by many scholars to indicate that the Kaaba was originally established by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). Over time, it was destroyed by the flood, and Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma’il (Ishmael) to rebuild it, as mentioned in the Qur’an:

“And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael…”


Regarding Al-Masjid al-Aqsa, the hadith reported by Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was built first on earth?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haram [in Mecca].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].’ I said, ‘How long was between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years.’”


This narration suggests a 40 year gap between the establishment of the two mosques. Given that Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob), the grandson of Ibrahim, lived approximately 40 years after him, many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, deduce that Ya’qub was responsible for re-establishing Al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Ibn Kathir notes:

“According to the People of the Book, Jacob (Ya‘qub – peace be upon him) was the one who laid the foundations of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is the masjid of Aelia, the masjid of Bayt al-Maqdis, may Allah honour it.”


Over time, Al-Masjid al-Aqsa experienced periods of neglect. Prophet Sulayman (Solomon), peace be upon him, undertook a significant reconstruction of the mosque. He wasn’t the original builder, but his efforts were substantial, leading many to associate the mosque’s establishment with him. This is supported by narrations indicating that Prophet Dawud (David) initiated the construction, but it was completed by Sulayman. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani explains:


“David started the construction of Bayt al-Maqdis and then Allah revealed that it would be built by Solomon.”



So in summary, what happened is:

The Kaaba was initially established by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma’il.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was re-established by Prophet Ya’qub (the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim), approximately 40 years after the Kaaba’s reconstruction.

Prophet Sulayman undertook a significant reconstruction of Al-Masjid al-Aqsa after periods of neglect.

 

[Basedman420]

if you have any logical question about islam ask me I'll answer

 

[Rabbi]

The Qur’an states:

“Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah [Mecca]—blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”


This verse is understood by many scholars to indicate that the Kaaba was originally established by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). Over time, it was destroyed by the flood, and Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma’il (Ishmael) to rebuild it, as mentioned in the Qur’an:

“And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael…”


Regarding Al-Masjid al-Aqsa, the hadith reported by Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was built first on earth?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haram [in Mecca].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].’ I said, ‘How long was between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years.’”


This narration suggests a 40 year gap between the establishment of the two mosques. Given that Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob), the grandson of Ibrahim, lived approximately 40 years after him, many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, deduce that Ya’qub was responsible for re-establishing Al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Ibn Kathir notes:

“According to the People of the Book, Jacob (Ya‘qub – peace be upon him) was the one who laid the foundations of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is the masjid of Aelia, the masjid of Bayt al-Maqdis, may Allah honour it.”


Over time, Al-Masjid al-Aqsa experienced periods of neglect. Prophet Sulayman (Solomon), peace be upon him, undertook a significant reconstruction of the mosque. He wasn’t the original builder, but his efforts were substantial, leading many to associate the mosque’s establishment with him. This is supported by narrations indicating that Prophet Dawud (David) initiated the construction, but it was completed by Sulayman. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani explains:


“David started the construction of Bayt al-Maqdis and then Allah revealed that it would be built by Solomon.”



So in summary, what happened is:

The Kaaba was initially established by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma’il.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was re-established by Prophet Ya’qub (the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim), approximately 40 years after the Kaaba’s reconstruction.

Prophet Sulayman undertook a significant reconstruction of Al-Masjid al-Aqsa after periods of neglect.

Thanks for the answer.

While I can accept that is a possible answer that reconciles the accounts, I can’t see a reason why any of the Islamic sources point towards this position.

The verse you stated only supports the primacy of the Kaaba as a building of worship, it does not support the notion that it was built by Adam. There is no account that I can find which suggests that Adam built any structures/houses of worship during his life, nor any pre flood prophets for that matter.

Secondly if the position is tbh at Abraham and Ishmael built (or rebuilt) the Kaaba, and Al-Aqsa was constructed 40 years later, it becomes difficult to reconcile this with the claim that Jacob, who was his grandchild, without specific ages given of when the structures were built and what age Abraham fathered, then Isaac fathered it could be more or less than 40 years (more the chronologies from Jewish/Christian texts would render a 40 year gap impossible but Islamic sources are silent).

There is also the practical aspect to this that is hard to reconcile. Assume Adam built the Kaaba then Abraham reconstructed it. That means the structure has been standing for thousands of years at a minimum (continuity from Abraham till now) and existed as a place of worship for Jews lying at the heart of a central trade route. Yet we have zero sources for this prior to 300 BC despite occupations of different, and zero pre Islamic correspondence by Jews or Christian’s, many Jews by the way that would have been in that areas for centuries have no oral nor written attestation to this fact. The first and only claim we have is Muhammad coming across a group of Jews who informed him of this with zero attestation outside of him.

Also I believe that Ibn Kathir quote may be misused

Here’s what he states about taking authoritative statements from the people of the scriptures.

Another topic of debate was about who first built the Ka'bah. Some said the angels did while others said Adam or Sheeth. The majority of those who hold these opinions probably take it from the books of the People of the Scripture that can neither be believed nor rejected without strong support from hadith. (Tafisr Ibn Kathir-Part 1 Surah Al-Fatiah Surah Al-Baqara, ayat 1 to 141

Another user did say that some scholars hold the position that Jacob built it, Ibn Kathir neither denies nor accepts this, as for his position personally, the closest to a definitive statement I have is this.

The most credible of statements is that Abraham, al-Khalil, "the true friend", peace be upon him, was the first who built it, as reported above. Simak b. Harb so related, from Khalid b. 'Ar'ara back to 'Ali b. Abu Thalib who said, "Then it collapsed, was rebuilt by al-'amaliqa [the Amalekites], 'the giants', fell down and was built again by Jurhum; thereafter it collapsed and was rebuilt by Quraysh." (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya),

From this we can assume he holds the primacy of the Kaaba being built by Abraham as the most credible position in his estimation.

Next your quotes of Hajar al-Asqalani

Firstly let’s acknowledge this is neither Quran nor Hadith but exegesis by a scholar.

Secondly, now I admit I can’t read Arabic but when you quote that David was given the task of construction, I imagine there is a difference in words between construction and reconstruction/restoration so unless the translation of the word is reconstruction not construction we have no reason to assume there being a pre-existing structure that David/Solomon we’re tasked with restoring.

 

[Swarthy Knight]

the muslim belief is that the first man on this planet was a prophet of allah and allah has been sending prophets ever since

Is it true that the first Muzzie ever (Adam) landed first landed in Sri Lanka? Or did Whatsapp university lie to me

 

[shia.jihadist]

Is it true that the first Muzzie ever (Adam) landed first landed in Sri Lanka? Or did Whatsapp university lie to me

theres no hadith about it as far as i know

 

[mandiblade]

Forgive me if i missed something, I dont remember talking about jewish law at all.

Weren't you saying that Islam disobeyed/defied the jewish law prohibiting relations with captives?

however my point is it was awfully convenient and in my opinion out of the abrahamic god's character to allow his people to have sex with married women.

"Out of His character" is an opinion and not necessarily an objective critique.

It was especially convenient that this happened right after the capture of women from a battle

Most Quranic revelation is context-appropriate. People needed (and still do) guidance when it came to morality, and it just makes sense to provide revelation appropriate to the context.

This is not even close to the core aspects of the discussion, it doesn't change a thing if you believe islam started with adam or it started from judism. We can both agree that Moses would disagree when it comes to sex with married women as well as the abrahamic god.

I said that it was one of the core aspects of the discussion because you kept repeating the idea that Islam is a "false derivative" of Judaism. You now proceeded to say that Moses would disagree?
About Moses disagreeing
1. We have no way of knowing if Moses disagreed with this himself, or if this idea was propogated by whoever changed the Torah
2. Even if he disagreed, in the Islamic paradigm, it wouldn't matter because it was changed(if..) into being permissible for this Ummah
3. It would also be relatively consistent within Christian theology, which is also subject to extreme inter-scripture abrogations.

Obviously they weren't revealed at once, but this one definitely got revealed at the right time almost like it was made up

I was a bit too adamant on this point. I did independently find(if my memory serves me correctly) that it was revealed after a war. However, being context-appropriate doesn't necessitate being made on a whim.

Again I sent you a link which explains the time period that surah was revealed, ive seen some muslims scholars agree this happened right after the battle as-well.

Yeah I answered my own question

When you have the time send me the quote from surah 37, I cant find anything that allows muhammed more than 4 wives.

Sorry it was surah 33.
Part of verse 37:

So when Zaid totally lost interest in ˹keeping˺ his wife, We gave her to you in marriage

Part of verse 38:

There is no blame on the Prophet for doing what Allah has ordained for him

Part of verse 52:

It is not lawful for you ˹O Prophet˺ to marry more women after this, nor can you replace any of your present wives with another

This surah allows the 9th one and prohibits any additions

 

[Ogionth]

The Qur’an states:

“Indeed, the first House [of worship] established for mankind was that at Bakkah [Mecca]—blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”


This verse is understood by many scholars to indicate that the Kaaba was originally established by Prophet Adam (peace be upon him). Over time, it was destroyed by the flood, and Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) and his son Isma’il (Ishmael) to rebuild it, as mentioned in the Qur’an:

“And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael…”


Regarding Al-Masjid al-Aqsa, the hadith reported by Abu Dharr (may Allah be pleased with him) states:

“I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, which mosque was built first on earth?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Haram [in Mecca].’ I said, ‘Then which?’ He said, ‘Al-Masjid al-Aqsa [in Jerusalem].’ I said, ‘How long was between them?’ He said, ‘Forty years.’”


This narration suggests a 40 year gap between the establishment of the two mosques. Given that Prophet Ya’qub (Jacob), the grandson of Ibrahim, lived approximately 40 years after him, many scholars, including Ibn Kathir, deduce that Ya’qub was responsible for re-establishing Al-Masjid al-Aqsa. Ibn Kathir notes:

“According to the People of the Book, Jacob (Ya‘qub – peace be upon him) was the one who laid the foundations of al-Masjid al-Aqsa, which is the masjid of Aelia, the masjid of Bayt al-Maqdis, may Allah honour it.”


Over time, Al-Masjid al-Aqsa experienced periods of neglect. Prophet Sulayman (Solomon), peace be upon him, undertook a significant reconstruction of the mosque. He wasn’t the original builder, but his efforts were substantial, leading many to associate the mosque’s establishment with him. This is supported by narrations indicating that Prophet Dawud (David) initiated the construction, but it was completed by Sulayman. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani explains:


“David started the construction of Bayt al-Maqdis and then Allah revealed that it would be built by Solomon.”



So in summary, what happened is:

The Kaaba was initially established by Prophet Adam and later rebuilt by Prophet Ibrahim and his son Isma’il.

Al-Masjid al-Aqsa was re-established by Prophet Ya’qub (the grandson of Prophet Ibrahim), approximately 40 years after the Kaaba’s reconstruction.

Prophet Sulayman undertook a significant reconstruction of Al-Masjid al-Aqsa after periods of neglect.

Hey buddy, don't bother replying to him anymore.

I've eviscerated his argument in his original posts by two different famous islamic views -that include 99% of Ummah's beliefs- on this topic (the view of Ibn Kathir and some scholars and another view) and neither has a self contradiction.

He has quit arguing there after realising how stupid it was to begin with.

You can read the argument there if you wish, but I'm just notifying you that the self contradiction is not found in ANY of the two views and it is only found when he makes assumptions out of thin air.

 

[emeraldglass]

Hey buddy, don't bother replying to him anymore.

I've eviscerated his argument in his original posts by two different famous islamic views -that include 99% of Ummah's beliefs- on this topic (the view of Ibn Kathir and some scholars and another view) and neither has a self contradiction.

He has quit arguing there after realising how stupid it was to begin with.

You can read the argument there if you wish, but I'm just notifying you that the self contradiction is not found in ANY of the two views and it is only found when he makes assumptions out of thin air.

Aight bro thanks for the heads up.

 

[prag]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power"

come dm and ill explakn why islam and not other religion with logical arguments

 

[prag]

Islam is the worst of the bunch. IT barely has any stability let alone any structure for its theology.

Wdym by that!

 

[UtahParentCenterPSL]

My mom is Muslim and my dad is an atheist. But whenever she talks to me about Islam, it just makes sense. Maybe it's because I haven’t learned much about other religions, I don’t know. I just feel like I want to be religious. I don’t want to end up in hell on earth or in the end. i just dont know if i actually want to be a muslim, i have a lot of quastion that have never been answered just because " the human mind caant handle gods power"

Another soul to never encounter the holy spirit. Enjoy hell with the Indians