The theology is the most simple one out of all religions: God is one, no one rivals His power, and He sends guidance for humanity. What about that lacks structure? Again, people love saying things at a general level, but to critique things at this level, you need to be specific.
بارك الله فيك وزدك إيماناI'll answer this too, in dms, check it.
The fact the whole thing is just a mix of middle eastern paganism and jewish folklore lmao
i actually appreciate you and @Ogionth for taking the time to explain it to me tysm
Very specific bhai.
Your welcome bro.i actually appreciate you and @Ogionth for taking the time to explain it to me tysm
omg daddy so wise
Yeah his best life, nobody said starting a cult is easy, building anything in life is hard. What the flesh desires is Wealth, Power, and Sex. Muhammed achieved all those things it doesn't matter how his life started and he went to battle for these things, people have died for much less.
Of course it has been consistant since Adam, because it was designed that way by muhammed, he studied judaism, which the story of adam and eve originated from. The religion Islam begins with Muhammed but its a false continuation of Judiasim.
How can mitochondrial eve be proof for Islam? It can be proof for Christianity, Judaism, and even evolution.
Surah An-Nisa (4:24):
I never said forced conversion I just said its spread by the sword through the conquests of the entire middle east.
No bro, in English. U can read the Quran in English if u don’t understand Arabic
U are definitely low iq because Islam literally means to submit to the will of god. At the time of Moses the Jews if they followed the Torah would have been Muslims. but with corruption over time the Torah became faulty and not a reliable source for the word of god till the end of time. (It became lost, and it was also a book exclusive to their time) Adam, Moses, Jesus, Abraham, Muhammad pbuh all of them all preached the same message, to worship one god and follow the prophet of your time. Prophet muhammad pbuh came with the Quran as the final word of god, conclusively shown as being unchanged and preserved, one of the many proofs of it being the actual and final word of god.The story of Adam and Eve orginated from Judiasm, islam started with muhammed. You dont even know shit about our own religion and your calling me low iq.
Mouhammed studied Judiasm and made his own religion expanding from Judiasm.
In Judaism Sex with a women that is married is a one of the gravest sins and there is no exeptions, mouhammed captured a bunch of married women and "miraculously" god revealed to him that they were now allowed to fuck married women if they are captives.
there are many cases of god "revealing" this to Muhammad that benefit him personally.
TMD
room temperature iq
Not only are low IQ you're brainwashed it will be impossible to reason with you.
. Your only argument is based on your faith-based religion and there is no reasoning with blind faith.
You’re the one thinking about joining the religion glorifying a pedophile, jfl
It takes many steps to even believe in Moses, but it starts off with me believing in the Quran. Once I establish that the Quran is the true word of god, I have to believe everything in it. Within it, it says that Moses was a Muslim, again, “someone who submits their will to god” I don’t believe in the Torah of todays time due to its changes and corruption, likewise the bible itself. Do u want me to tell u why i believe in the Quran?Not only are low IQ you're brainwashed it will be impossible to reason with you.
How do you know moses would be a muslim? The version of the torah today has nothing saying you shouldn't become muslim it was written before islam. The only reason why jews did not move to islam is because they belive mohammed was a con artist not becaue the torah has something against islam.
The Torah is corrupted according to what, the Quran
Not even gonna argue with you. Disrespecting any religion just shows how ignorant you are.
at best it shows i’m confident my religion is the truth and nobody else’s.. i bet u don’t even know what “aqeedah” means.. do ur research before u convert to anything
Exactly bro
Exactly, you will be unable to see it at a outside rational perspective thats why it is futile to argue until you come to a realization one day or die in delusion.
It just shows how ignorant and low IQ you are. I was literally asking how to become Muslim ofc im not going to know what aqeedah means. just jfl at you.
You know pagan Arabs at the time offered him money, women, whatever he wanted and he denied? He was from one of the highest social classes of Arabia, he did not need more status or money. He DENIED it, because he was a messenger of god. Show me proof as to him using Islam for his own gain, come with evidences for all the ridiculous claims you made about having sex with slaves WITH context (you won’t be able to properly do) then we can have a discussion.
“just jfl at you” if u wanna become a muslim say out loud:
What’s ur religion
Are you Muslim?
im an Eastern Orthodox that used to be a hanafi muslim
He "subjected" his close friends to torture when there was a chance that
Like I said before, coming up with conspiracy theories that may or may not be self-contradicting does not take from the potential truth of anything. Refute the theology.
Were those people "highiq," sane expert war generals, competent rulers, loving and caring husbands and fathers, and well above decent individuals?
I did not mention memorization. He lived the life he did in accordance to the Quran and Ahadith, which encourage modest lifestyles. This checks out with his actions.
The mitochondrial Eve is proof of the fact that Eve existed.
You contradicted yourself. The religion Islam is the idea that God is one. Like you first stated, it started with Adam. You then said it started with Muhammed? This claim of Islam has not been refuted. And by what intellectual metric(not an alternate explanation theory) is it simply a false continuation of Judaism? Remember, "false continuation" necessitates that it is false.
The action of jews may include modifying the judaistic scripture that Islam is allegedly made of. I claimed that 99% of Jews hated the Prophet, and his criticisms of them did not lessen their hate. Why then, did they provide translations of their religious scripture to this man, despite the fact that he continued to criticize them after their favors? Also, in Mecca, what access to Jews did he have? Also, I haven't even brought up the illiteracy of the Prophet yet.
I asked for a citation that this was revealed on the first day they ever captured female prisoners.
What can the words "x religion was spread by the sword" otherwise entail? If the U.S. government magically all became Hindus, it wouldn't affect me, or the rest of the country. Also, back then, people did not have 24/7 access to the words of government officials, so this alleged influence would be significantly weakened.
According to whom are you a second-class citizen without Islam? What does this inferiority entail? What are your primary sources?
Again, how do they grow up in Muslim culture? How has the entire Arabian peninsula been populated by this small minority, so much so that everywhere they enter, the entire culture changes in under the span of a single generation?
Aren’t you not allowed to make fun of other religions according to your belief?
Even if this was true, it does not mean that Islam has nothing against the Torah/Judaism.
ugh, please reread everything and look at this post again.
quite the opposite.. i cant make fun of ppl but religions on the other hand are the devils work
im not gonna bother do what u want but study before u make up ur mind
what's your relegion?
eastern orthodoxy
Why do you believe it's the truth?
u got discord?
yes send me yours ill add youu got discord?
@envyisasin
In what way is the Muslim belief blind faith? It would be purely miraculous if a multi-thousand year old scripture to be perfectly intact. As such, the burden of proof in this case(whether or not it is preserved) relies on you.The Torah is corrupted according to what, the Quran
So you're arrogant? I am confident in the idea that my religion is true, but I will not ridicule others.
I do not see how this is irrational. If the Quran is true and you believe in it, belief in Moses is necessitated.
I addressed this. Also, @Gamerspyy786 refuted this from a perspective I completely forgot about.
What do you consider to be "rock solid evidence?" If you mean seeing God yourself and Him telling you a specific religion is true, yes that will not happen. Other than that, you probably mean reasoning using logic and the available "evidence" we have(falsifiable prophecies that have come true, for example). Through those and intellectual honest, we can reach a conclusion.
Yo bro can u speak Arabic? Understand the Quran fully?
He didn't need money or sex from pagan arabs he already had it. He had 11 wives, multiple sex slaves concubines, and money from warfare. He was in the highest social class because of his claim that he is a messenger. His lies gave him everything he had he was very clever.
i suppose i like to be a bit arrogant when it comes to this
How do the miracles not prove the quran is the true word of god? What else do you want? As another person said god will not speak to u directly in this life because this life is a test.
And no you cannot say the same for Christianity, because their holy scripture has been corrupted and changed, there isn’t any miracle within the modern day bible, if there is, give some proof
And to the first point, he was BORN into the highest social class, he lived for 40 years as a regular person still having access to money and not really living a poor lifestyle. He did not obtain family status after Islam, rather before. His uncle was rich, he has access to wealth, but again denied it to because he wasn’t a sellout the worldly life and he was a true messenger of god, nothing was gonna stop that
Again please bring proof to your claims, you spreading falsehood isn’t doing anyone any good, if you want, I can bring proofs to whatever you want
I understand basic vocab I can't speak it because I only have Quranic vocabulary memorized.
What? Did he have 11 wives & those concubines at the beginning of his journey? That is when those riches and women were offered to him. Also, I'm caging at the idea that he had money from warfare between him and the pagans before even entering war with them. The so-called "wordly fruits" of these "lies" only came to be around 12.5-13 years after these offers happened
Well, not exactly. If there is miraculous truth(prophecies, etc) in the Quran, what explanation is there other than the fact that God revealed it? There are no failed prophecies(burden of proof is on you because this is a negative argument) or logical discrepancies within the worldview of Islam(again burden of proof is yours). The same cannot be said about Christianity due to multiple reasons:
Dude wdym it could have been a coincidence? How lucky(pure luck) could a single man been?
I addressed this. Also, faulty analogy fallacy.
On what basis have you come to the conclusion that all religions can only be believed in blindly? I have addressed this. We can reach a logical conclusion.
I don't see how the argument of the Quran being preserved is proof of divine intervention. Muhammed made it clear that protecting the integrity of the Quran was a top priority. Its not hard to preserve a text for centuries if it is a priority and the language barley changes. Muhammed spoke classic arabic there arent much diffrences in modern arabic at least ones that would hinder the Qurans integrity. It is not impossible for that to happen.
In what way did you refute it? You guys are just saying muhammed didnt need it and rejected it yet he had everything the flesh desires.
