I want to do hard maxxing

[EitanVRM]

Im 16, Almost 17 and I want to do hard maxxing. But I need to know what I type of surgerys do I need to get to ascend.

 

[vermicel]

This low-angle shot is not ideal for a facial assessment. The camera should be set higher.

That said, at this point, I think one of your biggest flaws is the lack of angularity. You still have some baby fat that conceals the cheekbones, jaw angles, jaw line, and chin. Given your age, it's bound to gradually shed within the next 10 years or so. Obviously, keeping an optimal body composition will help too (in other words : be lean).
But still, you may have a sub-optimal bone mass underneath.

Also, you seem to have a long midface and a rather narrow face, especially in the lower third (i.e weak gonions & mandible, chin that lacks squareness).
If you can't be bothered to post additional pics & videos here, try to take a proper front profile for yourself, and use it to calculate your main ratios (like FWHR).

Nose may need some refinement too, at least based on the front profile. Some people will tell you to straighten the nose because of the hook visible from the side profile, but I think yours looks fine, and maybe it is an ethnic or family feature that you feel comfortable with and wish to keep.

You seem to have some hollowness under the eyes. It could be fixed with fat grafting.

[softmax] Your eyebrows lack density, in particular towards the outer edge. You can try to thicken them with minoxidil + microneedling.
[softmax] Shave that stache. It's too thin.


So, to answer your main question : some type of jaw surgery, possibly implants (e.g. jaw angles, zygos, chin), rhinoplasty, and fat grafting.
You will need a CT scan to discuss details with a maxillofacial surgeon. Most likely one specialized in orthognathics.

 

[EitanVRM]

Thank you very much about the info, I'll take additional videos from better angle tomorrow. And I have a question, I'm going to the orthodontist in a month because I have underbite in one side of my mouth palate, Will palate expender will help with my narrow and long face? Will it help with anything about my appearance?

 

[Deleted member 261019]

Thank you very much about the info, I'll take additional videos from better angle tomorrow. And I have a question, I'm going to the orthodontist in a month because I have underbite in one side of my mouth palate, Will palate expender will help with my narrow and long face? Will it help with anything about my appearance?

I would ask for extractions, in your case it would actually be ideal should harmonize your face a LOT better boosting your harmony to 90%

 

[Eskorbutin]

Im 16, Almost 17 and I want to do hard maxxing. But I need to know what I type of surgerys do I need to get to ascend.

Lose fat

 

[EitanVRM]

I would ask for extractions, in your case it would actually be ideal should harmonize your face a LOT better boosting your harmony to 90%

extractions? what for? my native language is not English so I want to be clear extractions is like taking out your your teeth?

 

[Deleted member 261019]

extractions? what for? my native language is not English so I want to be clear extractions is like taking out your your teeth?

Yes taking out teeth

 

[EitanVRM]

Yes taking out teeth

But what for?

 

[vermicel]

Will palate expender will help with my narrow and long face? Will it help with anything about my appearance?

Based on the most recent discussions here, the consensus seems to be that a palate expander can improve cheekbones' projection.
and will achieve a better, broader smile (e.g. from only 6 teeth showing to 8-10).
It will also improve breathing, if you have any issue in that regard.

However, it won't change your bigonial width or modify your vertical thirds.

 

[lurking truecel]

Based on the most recent discussions here, the consensus seems to be that a palate expander can improve cheekbones' projection.
and will achieve a better, broader smile (e.g. from only 6 teeth showing to 8-10).
It will also improve breathing, if you have any issue in that regard.

However, it won't change your bigonial width or modify your vertical thirds.

It cant improve anything cheek related. As if you want to do it safely you should only expand 5-10 mm at most and this wont change cheekbones at all. As the ones who had cheek bones diffrences did 15+ mm and looked like balloons and assymetrical after with wider noses. 5 is will make nose breathing a little better and smile a bit wider. But its two year procedure with almost zero Aesthetic benefits. And it costs 20k if you go to a experienced expander+ ortho cost. It is not worth for 90% of cases

 

[ihateevb]

Im 16, Almost 17 and I want to do hard maxxing. But I need to know what I type of surgerys do I need to get to

Idk man im planning to get a jaw expander soon and its for free on europe

 

[EitanVRM]

It cant improve anything cheek related. As if you want to do it safely you should only expand 5-10 mm at most and this wont change cheekbones at all. As the ones who had cheek bones diffrences did 15+ mm and looked like balloons and assymetrical after with wider noses. 5 is will make nose breathing a little better and smile a bit wider. But its two year procedure with almost zero Aesthetic benefits. And it costs 20k if you go to a experienced expander+ ortho cost. It is not worth for 90% of cases

What about narrow face and long face? does it help with the ratio?

 

[EitanVRM]

This low-angle shot is not ideal for a facial assessment. The camera should be set higher.

That said, at this point, I think one of your biggest flaws is the lack of angularity. You still have some baby fat that conceals the cheekbones, jaw angles, jaw line, and chin. Given your age, it's bound to gradually shed within the next 10 years or so. Obviously, keeping an optimal body composition will help too (in other words : be lean).
But still, you may have a sub-optimal bone mass underneath.

Also, you seem to have a long midface and a rather narrow face, especially in the lower third (i.e weak gonions & mandible, chin that lacks squareness).
If you can't be bothered to post additional pics & videos here, try to take a proper front profile for yourself, and use it to calculate your main ratios (like FWHR).

Nose may need some refinement too, at least based on the front profile. Some people will tell you to straighten the nose because of the hook visible from the side profile, but I think yours looks fine, and maybe it is an ethnic or family feature that you feel comfortable with and wish to keep.

You seem to have some hollowness under the eyes. It could be fixed with fat grafting.

[softmax] Your eyebrows lack density, in particular towards the outer edge. You can try to thicken them with minoxidil + microneedling.
[softmax] Shave that stache. It's too thin.


So, to answer your main question : some type of jaw surgery, possibly implants (e.g. jaw angles, zygos, chin), rhinoplasty, and fat grafting.
You will need a CT scan to discuss details with a maxillofacial surgeon. Most likely one specialized in orthognathics.

Here is better video of me, Ignore my hair I didn't stylish it

 

[vermicel]

@EitanVRM I'd say you need the following :

[hardmax]
- BSSO to correct your underbite
- rhinoplasty
- ptosis repair for your right eye
- fat grafting for the upper and lower eyelids (both eyes)

Maybe you would benefit from another type of jaw surgery (e.g. bimax), but my understanding of the topic is too limited to give proper advice. @lurking truecel could probably tell you more.

[softmax]
- increased eyebrow density
- shave the stache (or increase its density)
- thicker neck
- be leaner

Once leaner, you'll be able to assess more clearly your angularity in the lower third, and whether or not it should be corrected (implants, fillers, etc.). I foresee a lack of squareness for the chin, and gonions that don't flare enough.

 

[vermicel]

@EitanVRM here's a morph to give you a rough idea of the improvement potentially generated by all these procedures :

I kinda fucked up the eye area, as it looks like you're wearing make-up, but fat grafting should definitely reduce the darker coloring around the eyes.
Regarding the chin, to achieve that sort of flat bottom / squareness, you'll most likely need fillers. Not a lot of them though.

I think the eyebrows are sitting too high above the eyes on this picture. Could be the angle. If not, injecting botox in the frontalis muscle could relax the brow and improve the eyebrow to eye spacing. Here's another morph to illustrate this subtle effect :

 

[EitanVRM]

@EitanVRM here's a morph to give you a rough idea of the improvement potentially generated by all these procedures :

View attachment 4384295

I kinda fucked up the eye area, as it looks like you're wearing make-up, but fat grafting should definitely reduce the darker coloring around the eyes.
Regarding the chin, to achieve that sort of flat bottom / squareness, you'll most likely need fillers. Not a lot of them though.

I think the eyebrows are sitting too high above the eyes on this picture. Could be the angle. If not, injecting botox in the frontalis muscle could relax the brow and improve the eyebrow to eye spacing. Here's another morph to illustrate this subtle effect :

View attachment 4384286ngl this kinda look bad, Maybe its the eye area, You want a better picture of me?

 

[vermicel]

ngl this kinda look bad

you're welcome.

Just cover the eyes. The rest looks pretty good imo, and relatively realistic.

No need for another picture. Your second video was clear enough. I've suggested a plan of action accordingly, and I stick by it. My only doubt is the exact type of jaw surgery needed. You will clear that up during your consultation with a maxillofacial surgeon specialized in orthognathics. Until then, you can already implement the softmaxxing recommendations (eyebrows, neck, fat loss). And, theoretically, you could also have the fat grafting done to the eye area before the jaw surgery. I don't think an age restriction applies to this procedure, but I could be wrong.
My suggested plan in chronological order :
softmaxxing > fat grafting, ptosis repair > jaw surgery > rhinoplasty

@EitanVRM

 

[EitanVRM]

you're welcome.

Just cover the eyes. The rest looks pretty good imo, and relatively realistic.

No need for another picture. Your second video was clear enough. I've suggested a plan of action accordingly, and I stick by it. My only doubt is the exact type of jaw surgery needed. You will clear that up during your consultation with a maxillofacial surgeon specialized in orthognathics. Until then, you can already implement the softmaxxing recommendations (eyebrows, neck, fat loss). And, theoretically, you could also have the fat grafting done to the eye area before the jaw surgery. I don't think an age restriction applies to this procedure, but I could be wrong.
My suggested plan in chronological order :
softmaxxing > fat grafting, ptosis repair > jaw surgery > rhinoplasty

@EitanVRM

You think I have ptosis?

 

[kaydd]

You think I have ptosis?

Its obvious you do

 

[kaydd]

you're welcome.

Just cover the eyes. The rest looks pretty good imo, and relatively realistic.

No need for another picture. Your second video was clear enough. I've suggested a plan of action accordingly, and I stick by it. My only doubt is the exact type of jaw surgery needed. You will clear that up during your consultation with a maxillofacial surgeon specialized in orthognathics. Until then, you can already implement the softmaxxing recommendations (eyebrows, neck, fat loss). And, theoretically, you could also have the fat grafting done to the eye area before the jaw surgery. I don't think an age restriction applies to this procedure, but I could be wrong.
My suggested plan in chronological order :
softmaxxing > fat grafting, ptosis repair > jaw surgery > rhinoplasty

@EitanVRM

Whats the reason for putting fat grafting before jaw surgery? Doesnt it make sense to go through a major ortho surgery aka a big change before implementing something performed at a much smaller scale?