Ideal Frontal Ratios (better than the BOTB thread)

[mohito]

Dragos PFL i s simply low. That’s why you use different ratios to determine close/far eyes

Well, esr is the primary criterion for determining whether eyes are close set or not, and u also listed it first in the Eyes section, and pfl has nothing to do with it

chin/philtrum doesn’t include mouth height, wdym?

I honestly don't get what do u mean by "height", but if u mean upper/lower lip height ratio, basso has also a pretty ideal one

 

[Volksstaffel]

thank you autist king I too hope to contribute something one day to this community

I‘m working on it my child

 

[Volksstaffel]

Well, esr is the primary criterion for determining whether eyes are close set or not, and u also listed it first in the Eyes section, and pfl has nothing to do with it


I honestly don't get what do u mean by "height", but if u mean upper/lower lip height ratio, basso has also a pretty ideal one
View attachment 4638329

same nose to mouth ratio, one looks wider because the mouth height to width is lower

 

[Volksstaffel]

@Zagro any flaws?

 

[mohito]

View attachment 4638424View attachment 4638425
same nose to mouth ratio, one looks wider because the mouth height to width is lower

Alright so you're talking about the lower/upper lip height ratio. Vito basso's lower/upper lip is 1.6:1 (within the ideal range)

But his mouth/nose is 1.46 (less than 1.5 and higher than the lower end which u indicated)

Despite having an ideal height, his mouth still looks narrow which means 1.5 is a way better lower limit than 1.45 for the mouth/nose ratio

 

[Sayori]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

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Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

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Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Glabella and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	36, 31, 33
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus, Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4637318	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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This took like 8h to make , so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

It really was better then botb

me see pictures me rep

 

[Volksstaffel]

Alright so you're talking about the lower/upper lip height ratio. Vito basso's lower/upper lip is 1.6:1 (within the ideal range)
View attachment 4638442

no, the ratio between the lips is not what I mean

But his mouth/nose is 1.46 (less than 1.5 and higher than the lower end which u indicated)
View attachment 4638449

Despite having an ideal height, his mouth still looks narrow which means 1.5 is a way better lower limit than 1.45 for the mouth/nose ratio

let’s just agree that we disagree bro

 

[mohito]

let’s just agree that we disagree bro

Well, u didn’t specify what you meant so fair enough.

 

[Sadist]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

---

Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

---

Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Glabella and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	36, 31, 33
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus, Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4637318	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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This took like 8h to make , so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

the botb is outdated and shit. CA for life

 

[Volksstaffel]

the botb is outdated and shit. CA for life

CA?

 

[CookieGuy]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

---

Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

---

Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Glabella and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	36, 31, 33
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus, Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4637318	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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This took like 8h to make , so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

I have majority ideal nations yet an still ugly

 

[Sadist]

CA?

creatingattractive… you know… the system those ratios were taken from…

the Facial Analysis Formula (2).xslx

 

[Volksstaffel]

creatingattractive… you know… the system those ratios were taken from…

Ah lol, but those ratios aren't CA

 

[Sadist]

Ah lol, but those ratios aren't CA

like half of them are. btw i disagree with esr, 47.75 is way too feminine and 44.5 is a bit high for a minimum. refer to my current title

 

[Volksstaffel]

like half of them are. btw i disagree with esr, 47.75 is way too feminine and 44.5 is a bit high for a minimum. refer to my current title

More like a third. I compared like 4 systems and kept the best imo

 

[Sadist]

More like a third. I compared like 4 systems and kept the best imo

ah. well 47.75 is foid tier imo, far from the best ideal range. most of the recent, advanced systems tend to shift to lower end ranged because esr is a massive determinant of dimorphism.

 

[Volksstaffel]

like half of them are. btw i disagree with esr, 47.75 is way too feminine and 44.5 is a bit high for a minimum. refer to my current title

You're saying it could be lower? Lol I just argued with someone who said that it was too close already

 

[Volksstaffel]

93% harmony btw

 

[Chudmann]

Mogs botb thread

 

[Volksstaffel]

Mogs botb thread

Thx

 

[im.dark.wrld]

 

[LTNUser]

It looks slightly too close together, which
not ideal


Basso's chin/philtrum height ratio is 2.13:1 which is absolutely ideal, so its not the height
View attachment 4638303

How is it ideal if the ideal range for it is 2.4-2.8 ?

 

[mohito]

How is it ideal if the ideal range for it is 2.4-2.8 ?

The ideal range for cpr seems to be 2-2.25, at least based on the botb thread and a general consensus

 

[LTNUser]

The ideal range for cpr seems to be 2-2.25, at least based on the botb thread and a general consensus

The canthal tilt range which is considered ideal for men is 4° to 6°
The ratio thread in BOTB seems to be outdated

 

[mohito]

The canthal tilt range which is considered ideal for men is 4° to 6°
The ratio thread in BOTB seems to be outdated

Wait but the ideal tilt range in the botb thread is 4°-6°. Here It is 5°-8.5°

 

[vermicel]

any flaws?

Ipsilateral angle should be measured from the lateral canthi, not from the pupils. Otherwise, the tolerated 0°-3° difference with the JFA makes no anatomical sense (look at the jarring discrepancy on Sommerhalder's face).

Don't know if it's a flaw or if I just don't understand this one.
If you refered to conventional vertical thirds, then why would the upper third be dominant on men (36 %) ? For optimal dimorphism, the consensus is that the lower third should be the largest. Ideal vertical thirds for men are like 32 % (upper third) / 33 % (midface) / 35 % (lower third), or slight variations like 31/33/36, 32/32/36, etc. ; I wonder if you have inadvertently inverted these values.
What I don't understand is the illustration : it shows facial and neck width measurements, not vertical thirds.

Other than that, neat presentation.

 

[Volksstaffel]

View attachment 4639562
Ipsilateral angle should be measured from the lateral canthi, not from the pupils. Otherwise, the tolerated 0°-3° difference with the JFA makes no anatomical sense (look at the jarring discrepancy on Sommerhalder's face).

Yes I noticed that I used the wrong image. Currently working on replacing it

View attachment 4639594
Don't know if it's a flaw or if I just don't understand this one.
If you refered to conventional vertical thirds, then why would the upper third be dominant on men (36 %) ? For optimal dimorphism, the consensus is that the lower third should be the largest. Ideal vertical thirds for men are like 32 % (upper third) / 33 % (midface) / 35 % (lower third), or slight variations like 31/33/36, 32/32/36, etc. ; I wonder if you have inadvertently inverted these values.
What I don't understand is the illustration : it shows facial and neck width measurements, not vertical thirds.

Lower third is 36, upper 31, it looked right when I wrote it in word. I'll make it more obvious too

Other than that, neat presentation.

Thanks and I appreciate the criticism

 

[Volksstaffel]

@Feuerwehr @illian @abzz @HighLtn @Fleisch sorry if yall already saw, I just need some rep so I have the chance of botb

 

[abzz!]

@Feuerwehr @illian @abzz @HighLtn @Fleisch sorry if yall already saw, I just need some rep so I have the chance of botb

bro really wants the botb

i respect it

 

[Volksstaffel]

bro really wants the botb

i respect it

let a nigga dream

 

[abzz!]

let a nigga dream

ofc haha

all the best

good luck

 

[Deleted member 257282]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

---

Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

---

Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Glabella and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	36, 31, 33
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus, Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4637318	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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This took like 8h to make , so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

very good

 

[Fleisch]

Holy this one is so much better Jezus

 

[Volksstaffel]

@Randomized Shame what do you think bro?
Trying some high effort shit recently

 

[Volksstaffel]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

---

Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

---

Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
IAA	Angle between lateral Canthi and Alar base	View attachment 4639987	85° - 95°
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Glabella and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	33 U, 31 M, 36 L
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus, Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4640151	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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This took like 8h to make , so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

Inb4 botb

 

[ccwb]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

---

Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

---

Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
IAA	Angle between lateral Canthi and Alar base	View attachment 4639987	85° - 95°
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Glabella and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	33 U, 31 M, 36 L
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus, Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4640151	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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This took like 8h to make , so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

Anyone got a measuring app?

 

[Volksstaffel]

Anyone got a measuring app?

Photoshop can count pixels. I used "imagemeter"

 

[ccwb]

Photoshop can count pixels. I used "imagemeter"

Unfortunately not on iPhone, any alternatives?

 

[Morphеus]

Unfortunately not on iPhone, any alternatives?

faceiqlabs

 

[sonik00]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

These are all frontal ratios you need to know.
My ratios are from renowned raters like FaceIQ and more.

Keep in mind there's much more to ratings, like the weighting of the ratios, tiers outside of the ideal, dimorphism, angularity, ...
If you need help with those feel free to DM me

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Measuring points you need to know:

Before we start with measuring, you should know these rather confusing terms

View attachment 4637351
Feel free to Google them if you're still unsure

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Ideal Frontal Ratios:

Spoiler: Eyes

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Eye Seperation Ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ Width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637307	44.5 - 47.75
Canthal tilt	Angle between horizontal line and line between medial and lateral Canthus	View attachment 4637300	5° - 8.5°
PFL to bizygo	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637348	19.5 - 21.5
IAA	Angle between lateral Canthi and Alar base	View attachment 4639987	85° - 95°
ICD (Distance between eyes)	Width between medial and lateral Canthus ÷ width between both medial Canthi	View attachment 4637321	0.93 - 1.05
Eye aspect ratio	Width between medial and lateralCanthus ÷ width between upper and lower Eyelid	View attachment 4637311	3 - 3.6
EME (Eye Mouth Angle)	Angle between Pupils and middle of the Mouth	View attachment 4637305	45° - 49°

Spoiler: Jaw

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Jaw Frontal Angle	angle between two lines along the Mandible	View attachment 4637327	85° - 95°
Lower full face	Width between Nasion and Chin ÷ width between Hairline and Chin x 100	View attachment 4637329	67 - 71
Jaw width	Width between Gonia ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637322	0.86 - 0.92

Spoiler: Face Shape

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Facial thirds	Hairline, Glabella, Alar base, Chin	View attachment 4637313	33 U, 31 M, 36 L
Facial fifths:	Ears, Lateral Canthus,Nose	View attachment 4637312	equal
FWHR	Width between Zygos ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637316	1.9 - 2.05
TFWHR	Width between Hairline and Chin ÷ width between Zygos	View attachment 4637347	1.33 - 1.38
IAA:JFA	IAA - JFA	View attachment 4640151	0° - 3°
Midface ratio	Width between Pupils ÷ width between upper Lip and Glabella	View attachment 4637331	0.96 - 1.02

Spoiler: Nose

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Nose H:W	Width between Glabella and Alar Base ÷ Width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637339	1.44 - 1.52
Nose to bizygo	Width between Zygos ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637343	3.85 - 4.15

Spoiler: Mouth

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Lower : Upper lip	Height of lower Lip ÷ height of upper Lip	View attachment 4637330	1.4 - 2
Chin to philtrum	Width between Chin and bottom of lower Lip ÷ Width between Alar Base and top of upper Lip	View attachment 4637303	2.1 - 2.75
Mouth to bigonial	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between Gonia x 100	View attachment 4637333	40-48
Mouth to nose	Width between widest part of Lips ÷ width between widest part of Nose	View attachment 4637336	1.45 - 1.83

Spoiler: Forehead

Name:	Description:	Example:	Ideal:
Bitemporal	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Zygos x 100	View attachment 4637299	85 - 95
Forehead length	Width between Temporal Ridge ÷ width between Hairline and Glabella	View attachment 4637317	0.45 - 0.52

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How to measure your ratios:

For those who of you who are still trying to figure out to accurately utilize these ratios, I'll give you a quick explanation


1. How to take a proper picture:

You might not believe it, but the picture you're using can completely mess up the analysis.

Spoiler: More information/proof

In Depth Explanation about how truly brutal Lens Distortion is.

TLDR: Lens Distortion is the devil. If your phone doesn't have a camera with at least a 50mm Focal Length Telephoto Lens. Don't ever take pictures basically. The distance between you and the camera means nothing if the camera doesn't have the focal length to match. Cut straight to the chase, I...

looksmax.org

Official guide to Lens Distortion and it's effects on the face

For a long time I was wondering why I looked so much better in the mirror than in selfies. I already that when I took pictures from back camera that I was because I wasn't used to seeing my face flipped. But, I soon also realized that I look equally bad in selfies with the front camera. How...

looksmax.org

That's why you should make sure to use a certain kind of portrait.
With lense distortion being the main culprit, do the following.

For ideal results, do this:

• Put camera on eye level
• Stand 6 feet away
• Use back camera with 2x/3x zoom

And there you have it. A proper portrait you can use.


2. How to measure:

For measuring, you'll need a tool that can count the pixels of your image.
Here are some examples for the device you're using.

If you're on PC, try:

• Gimp (free)
• Adobe Photoshop (popular)
• Image meter (cheap, simple)

If you're on mobile, try:

• https://eleif.net/photomeasure
• Image editor (depending on device)
• IbisPaint X

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This took like 8h to make :трепет:, so I'd really appreciate a rep
Love y'all, have a lovely day

And how do you calculate the harmony? I mean, if not everything is perfect, how do you calculate the exact harmony?

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

very helpful

 

[AbnormalAfrican]

"Ideal ratio" and just fucking millimeters.
Looks aint THAT serious

the grey nobody invited

 

[...!]

The Ideal Frontal Ratios and how to measure them

Mirin autism

 

[getratioedbozo]

the grey nobody invited

 

[unwanted_incel]

Good thread,but it would be suifuel if i pulled ratios

 

[whiteTeeth]

What about for other racial groups like Indians

 

[MouthBreathingElite]

"Ideal ratio" and just fucking millimeters.
Looks aint THAT serious

 

[Volksstaffel]

What about for other racial groups like Indians

Over anyways