Ideal Society

[LXR]

It is a fact of life that patriarchial societies outfuck, outcompete and outinnovate egalitarian societies. There is a reason why many of the free loving hippie hunter gatherer societies are not present today and virtually all societies until WW2 were patriarchial.


With the emancipation of women, we have returned to our roots. Women having mate choice means they choose the best of the best or remain single. This has inevitably led to a rapid drop off in birth rates. Demographics are a bedrock of a great country. More people means more chances of producing geniuses, more men willing to do dirty jobs, bigger tax base, bigger army etc. Right now it seems that Hasidi Jews and Amish are on track to displace Western Society if things remain same.

Here I propose a society that would be better than the patriarchial one without marginalising men. To do that we would need some pre requisites

1. Decouple the male drive to work hard and innovate from the sex drive. An almost impossible thing to do

2. Perfect the technology of artificial wombs

3. Study the optimal child rearing techniques to raise mentally stable and healthy citizens


With these in place, we can create a populace of asexual men that have not the lost the drive to innovate and work hard. The means of reproduction and child rearing would lay solely in the hands of the State. Further improvements can be had by genetic engineering technology which would help optimise the traits of the children and in turn the populace. Racial purity could also be maintained in such a system. The benefit of this system is that the State is not hostage to the whims of women, nay, women would be wholly unrequired and would be dumped into neighbouring lands.

Next steps for improvement

1. Transhumanism and social engineering
2. Perfecting automation to ultimately hadn over the world to a superintelligence

@Lemur @discord m0d rate my schizophrenia

 

[LXR]

@Gargantuan

 

[discord m0d]

@discord m0d rate my schizophrenia

good boy

@Gargantuan

i just groomed him, he's going to be inactive for a bit

reading rn

 

[mohito]

Just implement eugenics

 

[discord m0d]

I recon if we turn everyone gay, and then do the artifical womb stuff. that would be pretty mog

@AgentAngularity @acm @Mogs Me thoughts?

 

[LXR]

Just implement eugenics

No that is not enough. The bottleneck to great countries are the number of people and the quality of the people. Even if we implemented eugenics without decoupling reprodcution from women, the State would be at the mercy of women. Moreover since no modern State is going to force women to fuck men, more incels means more demotivated men. Coupled with less births it leads to all the infrastructural jobs being vacant. It is essentially important to get rid of women and to make men asexual

 

[isis_Bleach]

perfect world most people seek shall never to come to pass

 

[LXR]

I recon if we turn everyone gay, and then do the artifical womb stuff. that would be pretty mog

@AgentAngularity @acm @Mogs Me thoughts?

Gay means still having the urge to have sex. That is frankly unideal as it introduces a variable the State cannot control

 

[LXR]

perfect world most people seek shall never to come to pass

Thats why its only a theory

 

[vesthetics]

It is a fact of life that patriarchial societies outfuck, outcompete and outinnovate egalitarian societies. There is a reason why many of the free loving hippie hunter gatherer societies are not present today and virtually all societies until WW2 were patriarchial.


With the emancipation of women, we have returned to our roots. Women having mate choice means they choose the best of the best or remain single. This has inevitably led to a rapid drop off in birth rates. Demographics are a bedrock of a great country. More people means more chances of producing geniuses, more men willing to do dirty jobs, bigger tax base, bigger army etc. Right now it seems that Hasidi Jews and Amish are on track to displace Western Society if things remain same.

Here I propose a society that would be better than the patriarchial one without marginalising men. To do that we would need some pre requisites

1. Decouple the male drive to work hard and innovate from the sex drive. An almost impossible thing to do

2. Perfect the technology of artificial wombs

3. Study the optimal child rearing techniques to raise mentally stable and healthy citizens


With these in place, we can create a populace of asexual men that have not the lost the drive to innovate and work hard. The means of reproduction and child rearing would lay solely in the hands of the State. Further improvements can be had by genetic engineering technology which would help optimise the traits of the children and in turn the popupace. Racial purity could also be maintained in such a system. The benefit of this system is that the State is not hostage to the whims of women, nay, women would be wholly unrequired and would be dumped into neighbouring lands.

Next steps for improvement

1. Transhumanism and social engineering
2. Perfecting automation to ultimately hadn over the world to a superintelligence

@Lemur @discord m0d rate my schizophrenia

Society will naturally drive itself to extinction with the internet and social culture your best bet is improving yourself (looks) and getting wealthy to avoid being a victim of it.

More divorces, less kids, more wars, more unhappy people

 

[mohito]

No that is not enough. The bottleneck to great countries are the number of people and the quality of the people. Even if we implemented eugenics without decoupling reprodcution from women, the State would be at the mercy of women. Moreover since no modern State is going to force women to fuck men, more incels means more demotivated men. Coupled with less births it leads to all the infrastructural jobs being vacant. It is essentially important to get rid of women and to make men asexual

@discord m0d thoughts

 

[LXR]

Society will naturally drive itself to extinction with the internet and social culture your best bet is improving yourself (looks) and getting wealthy to avoid being a victim of it.

More divorces, less kids, more wars, more unhappy people

That is precisely why to counter backward patriarchial cultures, this is needed. Incels must not fall into the trap of thinking such cultures are good for them. You are as expendable as you are in an egalitarian one.

 

[discord m0d]

so what would women do in this society?

 

[LXR]

so what would women do in this society?

We dump them into neighbouring land or the sea, no use for inferior people

 

[discord m0d]

We dump them into neighbouring land or the sea, no use for inferior people

nah i like women we should keep them

 

[LXR]

nah i like women, we should keep them

You wont after I turn u asexual

 

[discord m0d]

You wont after I turn u asexual

are you talking about it in a sexual manner?

 

[LXR]

are you talking about in the sexual manner?

No in all manners

 

[discord m0d]

No in all manners

Nah i like some females

some of em are cool

 

[Lemur]

i was thinking moreso a heavier welfare state with strong worker rights

longer maternity/paterity leave

more economic stability and security

the removal of dating sites to get rid off the comodification of love

etc

 

[LXR]

i was thinking moreso a heavier welfare state with strong worker rights

longer maternity/paterity leave

more economic stability and security

the removal of dating sites to get rid off the comodification of love

etc

Unfortunately, I dont think this will work. The problem with birth rates is the problem of coupling. More people are either sexless or having very less

 

[discord m0d]

i was thinking moreso a heavier welfare state with strong worker rights

longer maternity/paterity leave

more economic stability and security

the removal of dating sites to get rid off the comodification of love

etc

aye did you research my argument against communism?

 

[discord m0d]

Unfortunately, I dont think this will work. The problem with birth rates is the problem of coupling. More people are either sexless or having very less

dont you recon its from people capitalising on things like porn, dating apps, social media and ect.

if all this werent a thing, then maybe women wont be so chadsexual

 

[LXR]

dont you recon its from people capitalising on things like porn, dating apps, social media and ect.

if all this werent a thing, then maybe women wont be so chadsexual

Women have always been Chadsexual bro, its just that the Church and similar religious institutions forced them to pair up.

 

[discord m0d]

Women have always been Chadsexual bro, its just that the Church and similar religious institutions forced them to pair up.

definitely not anywhere close to as bad as before

also when people get rewarded for their good genes, they work harder and reproduce more then others. which makes the future generations better

 

[LXR]

definitely not anywhere close to as bad as before

also when people get rewarded for their good genes, they work harder and reproduce more then others. which makes the future generations better

Eugenics can speed that up

 

[discord m0d]

Eugenics can speed that up

what im saying is eugenics bro
would be even more mog when combined with gene editing and the new stuff related to it

making life affordable and not having capitalists trying to capitalise on making hypergamy worse would make society better

this is why we need to go further left

i recon the nordic model is alr if the means of production is socially and state owned (for some industries)

and the abolishment of private property, you only need personal property
@Lemur im not full commie like you, but we got similar beliefs

 

[billions]

It is a fact of life that patriarchial societies outfuck, outcompete and outinnovate egalitarian societies. There is a reason why many of the free loving hippie hunter gatherer societies are not present today and virtually all societies until WW2 were patriarchial.


With the emancipation of women, we have returned to our roots. Women having mate choice means they choose the best of the best or remain single. This has inevitably led to a rapid drop off in birth rates. Demographics are a bedrock of a great country. More people means more chances of producing geniuses, more men willing to do dirty jobs, bigger tax base, bigger army etc. Right now it seems that Hasidi Jews and Amish are on track to displace Western Society if things remain same.

Here I propose a society that would be better than the patriarchial one without marginalising men. To do that we would need some pre requisites

1. Decouple the male drive to work hard and innovate from the sex drive. An almost impossible thing to do

2. Perfect the technology of artificial wombs

3. Study the optimal child rearing techniques to raise mentally stable and healthy citizens


With these in place, we can create a populace of asexual men that have not the lost the drive to innovate and work hard. The means of reproduction and child rearing would lay solely in the hands of the State. Further improvements can be had by genetic engineering technology which would help optimise the traits of the children and in turn the populace. Racial purity could also be maintained in such a system. The benefit of this system is that the State is not hostage to the whims of women, nay, women would be wholly unrequired and would be dumped into neighbouring lands.

Next steps for improvement

1. Transhumanism and social engineering
2. Perfecting automation to ultimately hadn over the world to a superintelligence

@Lemur @discord m0d rate my schizophrenia

So what would be mans purpose in this society? Work for the sake of work?

 

[discord m0d]

So what would be mans purpose in this society? Work for the sake of work?

probably to evolve the human species and improve civilisation or something

i would kms if i lived under this system jfl
@Chadeep

 

[discord m0d]

what im saying is eugenics bro
would be even more mog when combined with gene editing and the new stuff related to it

making life affordable and not having capitalists trying to capitalise on making hypergamy worse would make society better

this is why we need to go further left

i recon the nordic model is alr if the means of production is socially and state owned (for some industries)

and the abolishment of private property, you only need personal property
@Lemur im not full commie like you, but we got similar beliefs

@mohito

 

[billions]

probably to evolve the human species and improve civilisation or something

i would kms if i lived under this system jfl
@Chadeep

accelerationism is such a retarded concept, especially with eugenics no matter how much you try and take away diversity people will still find ways to exert their power over others physically socially etc. People will split hairs for the purpose of validation in all aspects not to mention the belief that it will be able to reach a point of efficiency for long enough to even get there is insane.

 

[discord m0d]

accelerationism is such a retarded concept, especially with eugenics no matter how much you try and take away diversity people will still find ways to exert their power over others physically socially etc. People will split hairs for the purpose of validation in all aspects not to mention the belief that it will be able to reach a point of efficiency for long enough to even get there is insane.

what im saying is eugenics bro
would be even more mog when combined with gene editing and the new stuff related to it

making life affordable and not having capitalists trying to capitalise on making hypergamy worse would make society better

this is why we need to go further left

i recon the nordic model is alr if the means of production is socially and state owned (for some industries)

and the abolishment of private property, you only need personal property
@Lemur im not full commie like you, but we got similar beliefs

do you recon my idea is mog?

under this system, those who are the most genetically gifted would get the best jobs eg: doctors, engineers, lawyers and ect. and they would get more benifits to reproduce compared to a normie

so you can create eugenics without exploiting people for their labour as much, or causing a bunch of people to go homeless.

 

[mohito]

what im saying is eugenics bro
would be even more mog when combined with gene editing and the new stuff related to it

making life affordable and not having capitalists trying to capitalise on making hypergamy worse would make society better

this is why we need to go further left

i recon the nordic model is alr if the means of production is socially and state owned (for some industries)

and the abolishment of private property, you only need personal property
@Lemur im not full commie like you, but we got similar beliefs

A combo of social progressivism and civic nationalism mogs imo. The danish social democrats got it right

 

[discord m0d]

A combo of social progressivism and civic nationalism mogs imo. The danish social democrats got it right

whats your thoughts on titos economic system

he made yugoslavia very mog and have good relations with a lot of countries

its a shame that racial tensions and excessive oppression screwed the country over

 

[Lemur]

aye did you research my argument against communism?

nah not yet bra i got my final maths exam in 2 days so thats my only acedemic focus atm

once im done with that- ill get back into reading leftwing theory

 

[Viriato_catholic]

so thats what nietzsche was talking about

 

[discord m0d]

what im saying is eugenics bro
would be even more mog when combined with gene editing and the new stuff related to it

making life affordable and not having capitalists trying to capitalise on making hypergamy worse would make society better

this is why we need to go further left

i recon the nordic model is alr if the means of production is socially and state owned (for some industries)

and the abolishment of private property, you only need personal property
@Lemur im not full commie like you, but we got similar beliefs

@Lemur

 

[discord m0d]

do you recon my idea is mog?

under this system, those who are the most genetically gifted would get the best jobs eg: doctors, engineers, lawyers and ect. and they would get more benifits to reproduce compared to a normie

so you can create eugenics without exploiting people for their labour as much, or causing a bunch of people to go homeless.

@Lemur

 

[Lemur]

Unfortunately, I dont think this will work. The problem with birth rates is the problem of coupling. More people are either sexless or having very less

do u have any data to back this?

I feel like economic insecurity and overworking is where the most issues ly

South Korea and Japan are great examples

 

[discord m0d]

do u have any data to back this?

I feel like economic insecurity and overworking is where the most issues ly

South Korea and Japan are great examples

@LXR explain why u dnrd me

 

[Lemur]

what im saying is eugenics bro
would be even more mog when combined with gene editing and the new stuff related to it

yeh make giga strong worker

making life affordable and not having capitalists trying to capitalise on making hypergamy worse would make society better

this is why we need to go further left

i recon the nordic model is alr if the means of production is socially and state owned (for some industries)

nordic model always regresses tho bcs they reject class dynamics- perhaps a democratic socialist state would be better or a complete comand economy ontop of it

and the abolishment of private property, you only need personal property
@Lemur im not full commie like you, but we got similar beliefs

oh my god its so based

 

[LXR]

do u have any data to back this?

I feel like economic insecurity and overworking is where the most issues ly

South Korea and Japan are great examples

Norway has excellent incentives for women to have children. Yet birth rate is low. The desored number of children for Norwegian women is 2.4 but actual children are 1.4. Biggest reason is the "lack of viable partners". Also most of the reduction in birth rates is because of reduction in early pregnancies in almost every developed country. People choose to couple late and have children later. By that time the reproductive window is tight

 

[Chadeep]

 

[Nequissimus]

Remove the state and all the laws

 

[LXR]

So what would be mans purpose in this society? Work for the sake of work?

Innovate and hand the world to superintelligence

 

[mohito]

whats your thoughts on titos economic system

he made yugoslavia very mog and have good relations with a lot of countries

its a shame that racial tensions and excessive oppression screwed the country over

I'm not really knowledge about economic models tbh but yeah multiethnic multireligious countries just seem fundamentally doomed from the start

 

[Co-op]

In an ideal society, it is prone to go shit one way or another.
I like reading takes like these, even if they are stupid.

A question for you would be, if it went wrong, how would it look?

 

[mohito]

A combo of social progressivism and civic nationalism mogs imo. The danish social democrats got it right

@Lemur thoughts

 

[billions]

do you recon my idea is mog?

under this system, those who are the most genetically gifted would get the best jobs eg: doctors, engineers, lawyers and ect. and they would get more benifits to reproduce compared to a normie

so you can create eugenics without exploiting people for their labour as much, or causing a bunch of people to go homeless.

I mean I was speaking more towards late stage eugenics but either way the idea of "optimal breeding" would be impossible to implement in a society, people are unable to function when they are possessed by others to do something especially with things like career and births.

 

[LXR]

accelerationism is such a retarded concept, especially with eugenics no matter how much you try and take away diversity people will still find ways to exert their power over others physically socially etc. People will split hairs for the purpose of validation in all aspects not to mention the belief that it will be able to reach a point of efficiency for long enough to even get there is insane.

Accelerationism is the only answer. Whether you as man live in a patriarchial society or an egalitarian one, you will always be an expendable serf. No amount of muh equality will ever tip the scales of reproduction in men's favor. Your job is to die in the meat grinder. If thats what you like, its because you are brainwashed into doing so.