If tall height is an adaptation for hot weather, then how can pygmies, for example, be so much shorter than nordics who are "adapted" to cold weather?

[Acne Victim]

How can there be more natural selection for tall heights in environments like Northern Europe where shorter statures are, in theory, more adapted to the cold?

Sure, there are plenty of tall Nilotes in Africa, but you also have the shortest ethnicity on earth there, the Pygmies?

 

[Reformed]

Who ever said that in the title

 

[Yliaster]

Thought height had mostly to do with Prenatal T and Nutrition,not necessarily Environment.Just curious btw
I'm pretty much clueless about this stuff.

 

[Acne Victim]

Thought height had mostly to do with Prenatal T and Nutrition,not necessarily Environment.Just curious btw
I'm pretty much clueless about this stuff.

I'm not really sure either lol. that's why I'm hoping some mumbai resident that knows all about it will teach me the truth

 

[omarthegoat195]

How can there be more natural selection for tall heights in environments like Northern Europe where shorter statures are, in theory, more adapted to the cold?

Sure, there are plenty of tall Nilotes in Africa, but you also have the shortest ethnicity on earth there, the Pygmies?

northern europe had access to better resources to nourish and grow children so dna adapted over time i suppose

 

[Deleted member 22627]

How can there be more natural selection for tall heights in environments like Northern Europe where shorter statures are, in theory, more adapted to the cold?

Sure, there are plenty of tall Nilotes in Africa, but you also have the shortest ethnicity on earth there, the Pygmies?

Height correlates with diet. In the north we'be been eating meat since the stone age. High calorie and protein dense food to get us trough the harsh seasons. In warm and poor countries they can just pick fruit from the wild or they can sustain on a shit diet.

Height in China is shooting up quickly after they got richer and started eating more chicken and meat instead of fucking noodles with some broth in it.

 

[Gonthar]

How can there be more natural selection for tall heights in environments like Northern Europe where shorter statures are, in theory, more adapted to the cold?

The Nordics aren't only tall, they're also high-IQ, and figured out quickly how to make good clothes, build houses, saunas, etc.

Sure, there are plenty of tall Nilotes in Africa, but you also have the shortest ethnicity on earth there, the Pygmies?

Pygmies live in the jungle, their small height makes it easier for them to sneak around, escape predators, hide, hunt stealthily, etc.
Nilotic people live in flat lands, they have no place to hide, their height is an advantage in hunting big animals.

 

[Acne Victim]

northern europe had access to better resources to nourish and grow children so dna adapted over time i suppose

How can the dna adapt over time though? The only traits that pass down to your children are the genetic ones that come from you and your wife, not something you acquire with life afaik, therefore your good nutrition shouldn't make a difference? or maybe it makes the children healthier when growing up therefore that cycle continues and it explains it? I dunno really

Height correlates with diet. In the north we'be been eating meat since the stone age. High calorie and protein dense food to get us trough the harsh seasons. In warm and poor countries they can just pick fruit from the wild or they can sustain on a shit diet.

Height in China is shooting up quickly after they got richer and started eating more chicken and meat instead of fucking noodles with some broth in it.

yeah, it does correlate with diet, but if you had a group of SEAs and nordics growing up side to side with great diet and all factors checked in, the nordics would still end up heightmogging the southeast asians.

 

[Deleted member 22627]

How can the dna adapt over time though? The only traits that pass down to your children are the genetic ones that come from you and your wife, not something you acquire with life afaik, therefore your good nutrition shouldn't make a difference? or maybe it makes the children healthier when growing up therefore that cycle continues and it explains it? I dunno really


yeah, it does correlate with diet, but if you had a group of SEAs and nordics growing up side to side with great diet and all factors checked in, the nordics would still end up heightmogging the southeast asians.

Give it a 1000 years of selective breeding and I'd bet they would be fairly equal in height.

 

[Acne Victim]

The Nordics aren't only tall, they're also high-IQ, and figured out quickly how to make good clothes, build houses, saunas, etc.

that is a good explanation. so, unlike the neanderthals, there was no need for modern nordic humans to preserve heat with a shorter stature since they could just make up for it with creations like what you pointed out?

Pygmies live in the jungle, their small height makes it easier for them to sneak around, escape predators, hide, hunt stealthily, etc.
Nilotic people live in flat lands, they have no place to hide, their height is an advantage in hunting big animals.

I see it.

 

[Acne Victim]

Give it a 1000 years of selective breeding and I'd bet they would be fairly equal in height.

Indeed. But then, in this scenario, I don't think we would even have that much difference between races and ethnic groups as all good traits would be selected therefore shittier ones like wide noses, dark eyes, shit statures/frames/colourings etc would all go extinct with time.

 

[Akhi]

the advantage of taller height is mainly longer legs and with that better sprinting - hunting ability, nothing to do with climate

why we got so tall is one part due to better nutrition and the other half is sexual selection by women

 

[Yliaster]

the advantage of taller height is mainly longer legs and with that better sprinting - hunting ability, nothing to do with climate

why we got so tall is one part due to better nutrition and the other half is sexual selection by women

you seem pretty knowledgeable

who's alt are you.......?

 

[Deleted member 6305]

They're irl gnomes that's why

 

[Xangsane]

How can there be more natural selection for tall heights in environments like Northern Europe where shorter statures are, in theory, more adapted to the cold?

Sure, there are plenty of tall Nilotes in Africa, but you also have the shortest ethnicity on earth there, the Pygmies?

Cold adapted pheno = Central Asians, Siberians, Arctic people and northeast Asians
Cool adapted pheno = Nordic

 

[Pendejo]

How can the dna adapt over time though?

Epigenetics.

 

[CFW432]

the advantage of taller height is mainly longer legs and with that better sprinting - hunting ability, nothing to do with climate

why we got so tall is one part due to better nutrition and the other half is sexual selection by women

This.

Hotter environments develop lankier bodies as a way to remove excess heat from the body. Colder climates develop stockier bodies as a way to retain body heat. Also sexual selection by women. Apparently, or so ive heard, the dutch were actually not a tall group of people at one point in them and were actually one of the shorter european populations, womens sexual selection through a few generations it what shot the average dutch height up.

 

[Akhi]

you seem pretty knowledgeable

who's alt are you.......?

im a smart boi

 

[Akhi]

This.

Hotter environments develop lankier bodies as a way to remove excess heat from the body. Colder climates develop stockier bodies as a way to retain body heat. Also sexual selection by women. Apparently, or so ive heard, the dutch were actually not a tall group of people at one point in them and were actually one of the shorter european populations, womens sexual selection through a few generations it what shot the average dutch height up.

the brutal thing is that they were actually the shortest by a big margin in europe

most scientists think its mainly due to sexual selection

 

[Acne Victim]

the advantage of taller height is mainly longer legs and with that better sprinting - hunting ability, nothing to do with climate

it is partially related with climate and living conditions besides hunting ability, but maybe it just really wasn't as important of a factor.

why we got so tall is one part due to better nutrition and the other half is sexual selection by women

i guess so, pre-industrial european male were on avg 10cm shorter than he is now and it's probably more cuz of nutrition than sexual selection (For the most part)

Epigenetics.

doesn't it contradict darwinism though? or well, align with lamarckism which was proven to be false?

 

[Acne Victim]

the brutal thing is that they were actually the shortest by a big margin in europe

most scientists think its mainly due to sexual selection

i wonder why that happened more in the NL than other EU countries

 

[Deleted member 5815]

i wonder why that happened more in the NL than other EU countries

lots of raw fermented cheeses that they have been eating since birth high calcium and vitamin k2 content

most cheeses in murica have 0 vitamin k2 in them but the ones from the netherland can have up to 500mcg per 100g

imo there is no such thing as adaptation from climates etc it's all nutrition

 

[Acne Victim]

lots of raw fermented cheeses that they have been eating since birth high calcium and vitamin k2 content

most cheeses in murica have 0 vitamin k2 in them but the ones from the netherland can have up to 500mcg per 100g

i think the sexual selection theory part really can't 100% explain why the dutch are much taller than other europeans and americans with similar cultures. so i think this is a good explanation.

imo there is no such thing as adaptation from climates etc it's all nutrition

i mean, i think there is, but maybe it just wasn't a big factor after we learned to protect ourselves from the cold therefore other traits could be selected as another poster said above.

 

[dimorphism]

Forests are dense so natural selection for manlets

 

[Akhi]

i wonder why that happened more in the NL than other EU countries

there is a reason i cant remember right now, read up about it its pretty interesting

 

[Acne Victim]

Forests are dense so natural selection for manlets

lifefuel for you @Ai Impact just junglemax

 

[garfyld]

The opposite is true

 

[trey123]

pyvmies eat bush meat and get afflicted with nasty parasites (which obviously stunt agrowth cus they eat nutrients) so their immune systems have to be stronger and becausee of that the body focuses on fighting disease rather than height.

Why Pygmies Are Short: New Evidence Surprises

blogs.scientificamerican.com

 

[MTMM]

How can there be more natural selection for tall heights in environments like Northern Europe where shorter statures are, in theory, more adapted to the cold?

Sure, there are plenty of tall Nilotes in Africa, but you also have the shortest ethnicity on earth there, the Pygmies?

height is purely genetic and what you eat,its receptors and how much hgh you produce

 

[Xangsane]

Cold adapted pheno = Central Asians, Siberians, Arctic people and northeast Asians
Cool adapted pheno = Nordic

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[TsarTsar444]

i wonder why that happened more in the NL than other EU countries

Keep in mind that the Roman historians and commentaries from Roman generals, described the Frisii tribe (ancestors of modern Dutch) as being the tallest people with the Illyrians