If you are thinking about roiding read this thread.

[Deleted member 125065]

DNR gatekeeper

 

[Deleted member 125065]

DNR gatekeeper

My bad, its about face growth. Yeah, retarded who takes roids for that

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

what about loox? And what the fuck can we do? For some of us the only solution is roiding and slaying few LTN and dying at age 30.

 

[SlayerJonas]

what about loox? And what the fuck can we do? For some of us the only solution is roiding and slaying few LTN and dying at age 30.

I know about Loox that he injected fillers from old users on here.

Like I said to improve your looks just leanmax bro, if you want to I can help you more in PMs.

 

[Dathomirian Zabrak]

I know about Loox that he injected fillers from old users on here.

Like I said to improve your looks just leanmax bro, if you want to I can help you more in PMs.

bro i dont understand people on here yapping about how fillers are shit and migrating but zeta loox salludon etc looks great. and im doing natural bodylifting for 6 months and i recently escaped being skinny fat and i need to atleast 2 years for vinnie hacker physique and all that time im gonna look bloated subhuman because fucking bulk. its demorilazing me

 

[Chad]

I know about Loox that he injected fillers from old users on here.

Like I said to improve your looks just leanmax bro, if you want to I can help you more in PMs.

Every single “ascension” on this website has been leanmaxaing (90% of it) and then just random other shit like growing hair. literally not a single other molecule changed.

Even in models:

Not a singular molecule changed in any of these apart from fat loss. And none of them are fat at all in the before pics. They are 15-18% probably.

 

[Chad]

bro i dont understand people on here yapping about how fillers are shit and migrating but zeta loox salludon etc looks great. and im doing natural bodylifting for 6 months and i recently escaped being skinny fat and i need to atleast 2 years for vinnie hacker physique and all that time im gonna look bloated subhuman because fucking bulk. its demorilazing me

zeta didn’t get a molecule of filler pal.

 

[Deleted member 125065]

tbh this websites a joke if you don’t hard max. There is no “looksmax”

Every single “ascension” on this website has been leanmaxaing (90% of it) and then just random other shit like growing hair. literally not a single other molecule changed.

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Not a singular molecule changed in any of these apart from fat loss. And none of them are fat at all in the before pics. They are 15-18% probably.

Real rap right here

The only two soft maxxes in my world are getting lean af and fixing your eyebrows and maybe lashes. Thats it man. Rest is roiding (body) or hard maxxing (face/body).

 

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Roiding is Cope bro
I wish i never took roids

 

[SlayerJonas]

bro i dont understand people on here yapping about how fillers are shit and migrating but zeta loox salludon etc looks great. and im doing natural bodylifting for 6 months and i recently escaped being skinny fat and i need to atleast 2 years for vinnie hacker physique and all that time im gonna look bloated subhuman because fucking bulk. its demorilazing me

I think fillers are one of those things people dislike because they are trash (fillers are trash mainly because they migrate and don't offer permanent structure), but in secret even think of being an option.

Getting your dream physique is easier than it seems, literally just keep 0 RIR = high intensity, do either full body or PPL and do low amounts of sets with high frequency.

tbh this websites a joke if you don’t hard max. There is no “looksmax”

Every single “ascension” on this website has been leanmaxaing (90% of it) and then just random other shit like growing hair. literally not a single other molecule changed.

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Not a singular molecule changed in any of these apart from fat loss. And none of them are fat at all in the before pics. They are 15-18% probably.

That guy Amnesia also had small chin fillers, apart from that no difference quite literally.

And the other ascensions are like you said just getting lean and some small tweaks regarding their looks, no secret method like some people think.

zeta didn’t get a molecule of filler pal.

How are you so sure? I can't sense if that is meant sarcastic. I think he did get fillers at one point and uses reverse psychology to gaslight people into thinking he didn't.

Real rap right here

The only two soft maxxes in my world are getting lean af and fixing your eyebrows and maybe lashes. Thats it man. Rest is roiding (body) or hard maxxing (face/body).

Exactly bro, you get it.

 

[Chad]

Real rap right here

The only two soft maxxes in my world are getting lean af and fixing your eyebrows and maybe lashes. Thats it man. Rest is roiding (body) or hard maxxing (face/body).

Leanmax
Grow hair out
Eyebrows and lashes
Colouring
Physique/roids

Are really about the only things you can control if you don’t hard max.

 

[stufftodo]

Real rap right here

The only two soft maxxes in my world are getting lean af and fixing your eyebrows and maybe lashes. Thats it man. Rest is roiding (body) or hard maxxing (face/body).

orthodontics, peptides & roids, excercising, posture, and pray your genetics give in for another growth spurt and you optimize that

 

[SlayerJonas]

Leanmax
Hair
Eyebrows and lashes
Colouring
Gym

Are really about the only things you can control if you don’t hard max.

Exactly, I have nothing to add. Maybe basic hygiene like taking a shower and shaving or something, that's it basically.

Didn’t you stop minox for leashes and brows?

 

[Deleted member 110192]

This is a continuation of my last thread regarding roids.

Bonesmashing doesn't work. Roiding doesn't change the facial structure.

Nobody had results with it, Loox doesn't count because he had other procedures done. Show me only one before and after of bonesmashing changing the face. I'm not saying it doesn't work because nobody had results with it, they don't work because the concept itself of "growing" the bone is flawed...

looksmax.org

Average thread nowadays:

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I'm seeing more and more users on here that want to roid for the purpose of enhancing their facial bones.

For most people that wouldn't even work, especially for the ones after 14/15.

The body has its own regulatory mechanisms that prevent any supraphysiological growth, even @Seth Walsh talked about that years ago. IGF-1's binding proteins prevent any excess growth for example.

There also isn't a single case where roiding really improved the facial bones, if IFBB pros that use grams of gear don't experience any facial bone growth do you think some beginner cycle could result in that?

Also no, it isn't worth a try. It is absolutely retarded to roid as you are exchanging your health, looks, money, time and effort for almost no ROI.

I'll explain each real risk below:

1. Health.​

Especially oral roids completely nuke your lipids and cardiovascular health, if you have any health condition you are fucked.

Also people on roids are only able to have daughters, give up your dream to raise a son already. You'll only have a daughter you'll feed and raise for 16 years, until she gets gangbanged by low iq subhumans.

There are tons of other side effects I won't even list, just look at the global causes of death and now multiply your chances of getting each single one of them by 100.

2. Looks.​

If you aren't using tons of ancillaries to prevent any side effects, which can also become costly fast, you fuck your looks too.

If you believe that hair is life, you should stay the fuck away from roids. No, if you are anything above NW1 Finasteride and Dutasteride won't be enough to save you afterwards. Roiding will accelerate your hair loss by a lot.

Not even speaking of the sides of inhibiting 5AR, your mental drive, penis development, erections and other physiological processes will be reduced or stunted. If you want to use 5ARIs later in life sure, but you really want to start using them that early?

3. Money.​

Most users don't have any money to spend in the first place, you'd need to invest atleast 200-300 bucks for a good cycle. Also coming off is pretty hard, you'd have to titrate dosages down for a few months depending on the compounds used, run a full PCT which has a lot of side effects too and pray your HPTA-Axis comes back to baseline.

Also the blood tests you have to do before, during and after a cycle can cost a lot too. Good luck financing that and explaining to your parents why you want to check your bloods every few months. The average cost of these blood tests can vary between 100-300$+ depending on what you want to check.

4. Time.​

Good luck trying to source everything in the first place and paying online with crypto, gymcelling 6+ times a week and researching the compounds you need to use. Spoiler: Most things you hear about roids are straight up wrong. If you aren't willing to research countless hours before injecting hormones into your body don't even think about starting.

Also better find a hiding spot for your roids, regarding the peptides you'd have to cool them in your fridge.

5. Effort.​

If you aren't planning to completely lock in with your diet and training don't go on this website at this point, most of these kids that want to start roids aren't even lean in the first place.

Good luck eating low calories sometimes, going to the gym 6 times a week even if you don't have the time, doing hard workouts and getting the work done for years. There is a reason why most gymcels on roids look like shit.

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Now you maybe asking yourself "Then what should I do instead?"

Train natty for a year and you don't have to worry about all this shit. After that year of training and lean bulking, just shred down to 8-10% bodyfat and you are pretty much "looksmaxxed". If you don't even want to do that, seriously don't think about roids.

Stop overcomplicating things, literally just get lean. It's one of the only things that actually make a difference.

Regarding facial bones the answer is simple: Just get either implants or osteotomies depending on your case.

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Spoiler: TL;DR

Read the thread faggot, you don't get high effort threads every day on here.
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@chadisbeingmade @wishIwasSalludon @JohnBaza @PsychoH @menas

do you people actually want to roid up just for your body? Gymcel trait final boss.

Why would you like to ruin your health and waste your money just for you to be a gymcel. Just train natty and waste money and time on your face not body

 

[stufftodo]

Exactly, I have nothing to add. Maybe basic hygiene like taking a shower and shaving or something, that's it basically.

Why did they remain? They should slowly but surely go back to baseline or not?

Yeah that's what I mean. He uses that type of reverse psychology imo. I remember one video where he even touched his "inflammed" zygo soft tissue and people were discussing whether its filler or bonesmashing swelling.

i remember zeta bonesmashing 24/7 with his bum ass 2011 hammer in vc everyday. pretty sure he's got some sort of soft tissue damage now

 

[Chad]

Didn’t you stop minox for lashes and brows?

Results should theoretically become permanent given enough time on minoxidil.

 

[Deleted member 125065]

Leanmax
Hair
Eyebrows and lashes
Colouring
Gym

Valid.

orthodontics

Valid. Forgot about it, although I have braces myself right now lmao...

 

[Chad]

Big W brah. Wish I could hop on but dont want to get the bloat.

Test P, daily pins, EPL, Amiloride, estrogen control.

 

[SlayerJonas]

i remember zeta bonesmashing 24/7 with his bum ass 2011 hammer in vc everyday. pretty sure he's got some sort of soft tissue damage now

Valid.


Big W brah. Wish I could hop on but dont want to get the bloat.


Valid. Forgot about it, although I have braces myself right now lmao...

Guys, another thing I would like to add is maintaining beauty. Be it through using a 5ARI or any other compound.

 

[Chad]

Guys, another thing I would like to add is maintaining beauty. Be it through using a 5ARI or any other compound.

Cheers for the water mate.

 

[NoaA99]

I'd like to add.

to anyone: if you're a framecel, u need roids.

Almost everyone here identifies as a framecel, unless they fall within the top percentile for male dimorphism.
Just like with nearly every other semi-important physical trait.
And even that, at times, isn’t enough.

Achieving a highly appealing physique is easy, even with average genetics.
Most men are simply lazy, chasing instant gratification over longevity.

 

[SlayerJonas]

Almost everyone here identifies as a framecel, unless they fall within the top percentile for male dimorphism.
Just like with nearly every other semi-important physical trait.
And even that, at times, isn’t enough.

Achieving a highly appealing physique is easy, even with average genetics.
Most men are simply lazy, chasing instant gratification over longevity.

Exactly! I would just add that most users here are most likely just around the 50th percentile for the biacromial width.

Also users tend to think that they need crazy solutions like roids because they try to cope that they can alter their genetic destiny or subconsciously hate the idea of leanmaxxing in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Read the thread faggot, you don't get high effort threads every day on here.

Fuck you

 

[SlayerJonas]

Fuck you

Heh fell for it!

But in all seriousness it's worth reading the thread, everything I wrote made logical sense to me and is worth to be read.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Roiding made Orc turn into a fucking faggot

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Absolutely brutal

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Heh fell for it!

But in all seriousness it's worth reading the thread, everything I wrote made logical sense to me and is worth to be read.

Yea roids are cope for facial bone growth

Even “just chew bro” is better advice

The only way I could see maybe it working is if ur still in puberty

But you’d have to be beyond retarded to foid during puberty

 

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31 + 0 = 33

 

[SlayerJonas]

31 + 0 = 33

The only one that called me out for that

Finally someone noticed

 

[Deleted member 51358]

My biacromal is 16 inches am I cooked?

 

[Deleted member 51358]

My biacromal is 16 inches am I cooked?

It should be 19 at lesst

 

[SlayerJonas]

It should be 19 at lesst

No, the average male has a biacromial of 17-18. Anything higher than that is height-dependant or could be considered lucky genetically speaking. Would be 99th percentile territory.

 

[Deleted member 51358]

No, the average male has a biacromial of 17-18. Anything higher than that is height-dependant or could be considered lucky genetically speaking. Would be 99th percentile territory.

Not a molecule of that cope

19-20 inch biacromial or youre an incel

 

[Chad]

Even “just chew bro” is better advice

CHEW N MEW BRAH!

 

[Napoleon1800]

Thoughts on Peptides & AI to boost testosterone and help with recovery and reducing fat?

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Thoughts on Peptides & AI to boost testosterone and help with recovery and reducing fat?

Ais are dangerous af

Peptides don’t know much abt them

 

[Napoleon1800]

Ais are dangerous af

Peptides don’t know much abt them

How r AIs dangerous? At least for short term use with small dosages?

 

[SlayerJonas]

Thoughts on Peptides & AI to boost testosterone and help with recovery and reducing fat?

They are a great option to do stuff like that. I'd recommend Aromasin for example, but only microdose it because E2 is an extremely important hormone with benefits for joints, cardiovascular health, neuroprotection, etc.

For peptides I'd recommend some GH secretagogue, you could use even compounds like GHRP-6 3x 200-300mcg a day for improved recovery, skin and hair benefits and some other shit.

Ais are dangerous af

Peptides don’t know much abt them

Not dangerous if microdosed, in higher dosages yes.

 

[SlayerJonas]

Woah so what dose doesn’t make you gay

Any dose, don't roid in the first place. Every cycle makes you gayer and gayer. Not that this is the biggest problem anyway wtf? @chadisbeingmade bud had the chance to react to all the side effects I listed but persisted to talk about gayness

 

[Napoleon1800]

They are a great option to do stuff like that. I'd recommend Aromasin for example, but only microdose it because E2 is an extremely important hormone with benefits for joints, cardiovascular health, neuroprotection, etc.

For peptides I'd recommend some GH secretagogue, you could use even compounds like GHRP-6 3x 200-300mcg a day for improved recovery, skin and hair benefits and some other shit.

Not dangerous if microdosed, in higher dosages yes.

I was thinking Cjc w DAC combined with Ipamorelin. I’ve actually tried Hexarelin before and saw like a cm of height growth and increased energy

My main worry with Aromasin is that its caused hair loss in some people and also it prevents return to baseline for E2 after you go off no? Unlike Arimidex? Which is why rebound is such a worry for it?

 

[Deleted member 51358]

How r AIs dangerous? At least for short term use with small dosages?

Estrogen is an important hormone even in men

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Woah so what dose doesn’t make you gay

0 milligrams weakly won’t make you a fag

 

[SlayerJonas]

I was thinking Cjc w DAC combined with Ipamorelin. I’ve actually tried Hexarelin before and saw like a cm of height growth and increased energy

Great combination! Go for it, just try to spread the dosages out over the day to create artificial spikes.

My main worry with Aromasin is that its caused hair loss in some people and also it prevents return to baseline for E2 after you go off no? Unlike Arimidex? Which is why rebound is such a worry for it?

It can, like I said E2 (estradiol) plays an important role in hair growth, so low E2 = stunted hair growth or even hair loss.

Aromasin only destroys the enzyme aromatase, this doesn't mean the body won't produce any new ones. The body constantly produces more and more aromatase. And you got that the other way, Arimidex causes the rebound not Aromasin.

@wishIwasSalludon you are not tuff if you aren't repping me back

 

[Deleted member 51358]

Great combination! Go for it, just try to spread the dosages out over the day to create artificial spikes.

It can, like I said E2 (estradiol) plays an important role in hair growth, so low E2 = stunted hair growth or even hair loss.

Aromasin only destroys the enzyme aromatase, this doesn't mean the body won't produce any new ones. The body constantly produces more and more aromatase. And you got that the other way, Arimidex causes the rebound not Aromasin.

@wishIwasSalludon you are not tuff if you aren't repping me back

I thought I did my bad

 

[mandiblade]

Also people on roids are only able to have daughters, give up your dream to raise a son already

I saw this on r/moreplatesmoredates. When the dude was on cycle, he had daughters. When he hopped off, Im pretty sure he had a son. Isn't this only while you're roiding?
I'm not really planning on roiding either way btw

 

[ThraxxGlo]

niggas think that running test will change their subhuman bones

 

[Deleted member 138051]

do you people actually want to roid up just for your body? Gymcel trait final boss.

Why would you like to ruin your health and waste your money just for you to be a gymcel. Just train natty and waste money and time on your face not body

let them live

 

[psychomandible]

I didn't bud, here is proof of me talking about that back in November.

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Planned to tag you bro, next time.

The example with the binding proteins of IGF-1 mentioned GH indirectly, meaning it won't affect anything supraphysiological. GH is worth another thread imo.

@MyDreamIsToBe183CM @Hexmask @Underdog9494 @psychomandible @Zagro

A few case in BJJ you can see is Gordon Ryan and some Brazilians Gordon's browbone grew

 

[Eren]

Is that a joke? The only way to ascend if you are not god tier facially is through roids
Roids make you free
Look at all the mid people taking roids and then ascending and getting sponsored, having huge following base, slaying etc. Just because they are roided

Arnold has THREE SONS

Health issues are over exaggerated, with ofc the purpose to deter other people to take roids

NO ONE at the gym is getting any gains.
There is the group of out of shape people : giga skinny, skinny fat and overweight. These guys will never make any significant improvements aesthetically in their entire lives (99% of gym goers)
And the last 1% are roid abusers doing the most retarded exercises, but who cares??? Because they are blasting they can do whatever the fuck they want and still grow (never noticed that the most roided guys never go full range of motion, have improper resting times and straight up do retzrded exercises??) = they are not big because of gym but roids, so no one makes gains because of the gym.

So yeah this post is a big wall of cope

 

[SlayerJonas]

Is that a joke? The only way to ascend if you are not god tier facially is through roids
Roids make you free
Look at all the mid people taking roids and then ascending and getting sponsored, having huge following base, slaying etc. Just because they are roided

Apparently you didn't read the thread bud. But I agree that roiding could result in a body halo.

Arnold has THREE SONS

Yeah guess what, most other roided up individuals have daughters? There are always exceptions. You think most people want to risk having a daughter?

Health issues are over exaggerated, with ofc the purpose to deter other people to take roids

WTF stop claiming that this is overexaggerated, I myself have a genetic condition that would fucking kill me if I abused oral steroids and nuked my lipids.

There are many cases even with SARMs where extreme injuries happened, even if they don't happen immediately they skyrocket the potential of having any side effects by a ton.

Liver injury associated with lgd-4033, a mild SARM, that I even used in the past so dont say "muh its fake news" and yes my liver enzymes were extremely elevated and my cholesterol too, I can even send you my cholesterol levels right now LOL.

Ligandrol (LGD-4033)-Induced Liver Injury - PMC

We described a 32-year-old man who developed severe drug-induced liver injury after using Ligandrol (LGD-4033). The diagnosis was confirmed by a liver biopsy that showed cholestatic hepatitis with a mild portal, periportal, and perisinusoidal ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Anavar, the mildest oral there is. even if you claim cherrypicked still crazy

Incidence of oxandrolone induced hepatic transaminitis in patients with burn injury

The benefits of oxandrolone in burn patients has led to its accepted use in the burn care community, however details regarding the most common adverse…

www.sciencedirect.com

No pseudoscience, just read this abstract.

Androgenic anabolic steroid abuse and the cardiovascular system - PubMed

Abuse of anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) has been linked to a variety of different cardiovascular side effects. In case reports, acute myocardial infarction is the most common event presented, but other adverse cardiovascular effects such as left ventricular hypertrophy, reduced left...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"AASs were associated with an increased risk of acute myocardial infarction", "venous thromboembolism", "cardiomyopathy"

"AAS use is associated with a substantially increased risk of cardiovascular disease in a large cohort with a long follow-up period."

Cardiovascular Disease in Anabolic Androgenic Steroid Users - PubMed

AAS use is associated with a substantially increased risk of cardiovascular disease in a large cohort with a long follow-up period.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

"Even low doses of steroids increase the risk of cardiovascular disease"

I could link a ton more studies, for everyone reading this: Just research yourself, I want you to research yourself even, you'll see how harmful "those hormones" can be

NO ONE at the gym is getting any gains.
There is the group of out of shape people : giga skinny, skinny fat and overweight. These guys will never make any significant improvements aesthetically in their entire lives (99% of gym goers)

Just because you made no gains natty doesnt mean you should pressure kids that didnt even hit the gym for 3+ months properly to take roids, literally in the beginning phase you dont even need any roids. you are going to make a ton of gains either way, with roids or without.

If you seriously want to recommend roids to everyone go on and help everyone personally, step by step also because most people will harm themselves because of people like you.

And the last 1% are roid abusers doing the most retarded exercises, but who cares??? Because they are blasting they can do whatever the fuck they want and still grow (never noticed that the most roided guys never go full range of motion, have improper resting times and straight up do retzrded exercises??) = they are not big because of gym but roids, so no one makes gains because of the gym.

You after realizing the same type of people are the ones injuring themselves the most, LOL at you. I have way more experience with roidheads in my gym, every mid iq roidhead has been telling me they injured themselves hard atleast 2+ times in their career because of the training style you just described.

TLDR: you are telling people without any knowledge about training and diet to take copious amounts of roids just to speed up the process of building muscle? just for muscle? LOL dont leave any parts out in your reply

@chadisbeingmade @castizo_ascender @JohnBaza @Mess @wishIwasSalludon rate my reply

 

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Read every molecule.