IF YOU BELIEVE IN A HIGHER DIMENSION (4D 5D ETC)

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then you have to believe its possible for "something" to appear out of thin air and disappear, this is mainly aimed at people who believe in science and that everything is just what we can see and prove
 
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U are really on a streak of shit threads today
 
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If god is real he is in another dimension
 
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We would feel some effect from it tho right? Even if it was in another dimension does that mean time or gravitational forces don't effect it. I get what your saying as in a 3d object disappears from a 2d plane, but would it still be subject to the same things?
 
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U are really on a streak of shit threads today
theres the ignore for a reason, why did you have to let me know you dont like what i post about? this is very inefficient use of your time man, use it to spread positivity
 
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theres the ignore for a reason, why did you have to let me know you dont like what i post about? this is very inefficient use of your time man, use it to spread positivity
Muh positivity. Go chug your soylent
 
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theres the ignore for a reason, why did you have to let me know you dont like what i post about? this is very inefficient use of your time man, use it to spread positivity
Because you are a highIQ poster when you post about looksmaxxing tbh so im surprised ur this retarded in other ways
 
We would feel some effect from it tho right? Even if it was in another dimension does that mean time or gravitational forces don't effect it. I get what your saying as in a 3d object disappears from a 2d plane, but would it still be subject to the same things?
im not very scientifically knowledgeable, i just find videos having to do with cool and out of this world theories interesting, but who knows, if dimension just means depth and detail, you could say that since they are in the same universe they are subject to the same laws, but maybe the laws we know are only applied to us 3d beings, as we are all we can prove
 
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Because you are a highIQ poster when you post about looksmaxxing tbh so im surprised ur this retarded in other ways
i dont recall posting about looksmaxing, im not even active on this site to where ppl remember me, ive just been feeling empty lately, but ive also been doing alot of research, and im just hoping to get people thinking, i know this site is very close minded in certain aspects, and im just hoping to help others while simultaneously helping myself, theres no reason for anyone to like what ive been posting, but no reason to dislike it either, even if it only helps me vent, thats enough, i mean this site is called "looksmax.me" people come here to help no one but themselves, guess im just doing the same
 
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I hate this low IQ rambling about how "science isn't everything, science isn't perfect."

Science is just the name we've given for the basic processes of logic, reasoning, and objectivity. By definition if you claim science isn't capable of proving this or that, then you're claiming there's a flaw in the very way we think and make sense of stuff, which is pretty much circular reasoning since you're using it to prove it wrong.
 
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I hate this low IQ rambling about how "science isn't everything, science isn't perfect."

Science is just the name we've given for the basic processes of logic, reasoning, and objectivity. By definition if you claim science isn't capable of proving this or that, then you're claiming there's a flaw in the very way we think and make sense of stuff, which is pretty much circular reasoning since you're using it to prove it wrong.
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I hate this low IQ rambling about how "science isn't everything, science isn't perfect."

Science is just the name we've given for the basic processes of logic, reasoning, and objectivity. By definition if you claim science isn't capable of proving this or that, then you're claiming there's a flaw in the very way we think and make sense of stuff, which is pretty much circular reasoning since you're using it to prove it wrong.
logic, reasoning, and objectivity? google's definition of science "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." what does science have to do with logic and reasoning? idk much about science, but to me science is just proving shit thru evidence, therefore, if you can't provide evidence, then it's not science, how does science not being able to prove what happens after death for example, make the way we think about what happens after death flawed? science comes after, not before, outside the box thinking must be made, before trying to prove it with science, going by that logic, any theories made by scientists, or anyone for that matter, before being proved and considered "science" , are inherently wrong, which is flawed thinking, imo.
 
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idk but im a cancer researcher so im smarter
 
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logic, reasoning, and objectivity? google's definition of science "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." what does science have to do with logic and reasoning? idk much about science, but to me science is just proving shit thru evidence, therefore, if you can't provide evidence, then it's not science, how does science not being able to prove what happens after death for example, make the way we think about what happens after death flawed? science comes after, not before, outside the box thinking must be made, before trying to prove it with science, going by that logic, any theories made by scientists, or anyone for that matter, before being proved and considered "science" , are inherently wrong, which is flawed thinking, imo.
if science used logic, then it would say there's a god, or some sort of creator, because "every cell comes from an existing cell" which just tells you something had to make the first piece of the puzzle, which means if that god wasnt made by something else, then all cells dont come from existing cells, and that god just appeared out of now where. @Ocelot
 
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logic, reasoning, and objectivity? google's definition of science "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." what does science have to do with logic and reasoning? idk much about science, but to me science is just proving shit thru evidence, therefore, if you can't provide evidence, then it's not science, how does science not being able to prove what happens after death for example, make the way we think about what happens after death flawed? science comes after, not before, outside the box thinking must be made, before trying to prove it with science, going by that logic, any theories made by scientists, or anyone for that matter, before being proved and considered "science" , are inherently wrong, which is flawed thinking, imo.
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I hate this low IQ rambling about how "science isn't everything, science isn't perfect."

Science is just the name we've given for the basic processes of logic, reasoning, and objectivity. By definition if you claim science isn't capable of proving this or that, then you're claiming there's a flaw in the very way we think and make sense of stuff, which is pretty much circular reasoning since you're using it to prove it wrong.
All of what you said is just not true.

Logic, reasoning, and objectivity exist independently from science. Meanwhile science is based on those concepts, they are different things.

The sciences are a field that is based around what is physical. Or in other words, what can be tried, tested and confirmed through empirical data.

And OP is right, the current scope of science is not big enough to understand and explain everything. Which is why science is not seen as the only standard to understand things and see how they can possibly function.
 
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@Tony thoughts? :unsure: :unsure:
 
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All of what you said is just not true.

Logic, reasoning, and objectivity exist independently from science. Meanwhile science is based on those concepts, they are different things.

The sciences are a field that is based around what is physical. Or in other words, what can be tried, tested and confirmed through empirical data.

And OP is right, the current scope of science is not big enough to understand and explain everything. Which is why science is not seen as the only standard to understand things and see how they can possibly function.
100% agree, like i stated, if anything science cant move (proof*) is automatically wrong, then that means we have been wrong about everything in this world, and we'll continue to be till the end of time, since science can never come first.
 
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It's more about your thoughts coming from thin air. Your decisions are made on a higher plane and they are reflected on your brain which executes them in 3d space.

Or you don't have a soul.

Over for soulcels.
 
It's more about your thoughts coming from thin air. Your decisions are made on a higher plane and they are reflected on your brain which executes them in 3d space.

Or you don't have a soul.

Over for soulcels.
what do you mean by on a higher plane? are you saying we are multi-dimensional beings? imo, i think this makes sense, we live in a 3d world, but this 3d world is categorized by whats physical, by what we can see, i dont think thoughts can be categorized this way, as they dont take up any space, and have no shape or form, atleast not in this 3D place we live in
 
logic, reasoning, and objectivity? google's definition of science "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment." what does science have to do with logic and reasoning? idk much about science, but to me science is just proving shit thru evidence, therefore, if you can't provide evidence, then it's not science, how does science not being able to prove what happens after death for example, make the way we think about what happens after death flawed? science comes after, not before, outside the box thinking must be made, before trying to prove it with science, going by that logic, any theories made by scientists, or anyone for that matter, before being proved and considered "science" , are inherently wrong, which is flawed thinking, imo.
We need to observe something to confirm that it exists and what it does. Whatever definition you provided is based on reasoning. Observation and experiment are tools we use realise it.
Saying that there are things that exists beyond our observation by itself is not a verifiable statement. Further going on to theorise about what happens beyond our observation is ridiculous. It's like me saying there's an invisible object right in front of you which is moving around and doing whatever, and saying that it's worthwhile theorising because you can't prove it's non-existence.
100% agree, like i stated, if anything science cant move (proof*) is automatically wrong, then that means we have been wrong about everything in this world, and we'll continue to be till the end of time, since science can never come first.
When did I claim this? I merely said that you can't prove it right, and therefore propagating such ideas is incorrect.
Your whole argument for science being considered after "outside the box" thinking whatever means, is that there are things or phenomena you believe exist, that haven't been and cannot be verified to exist. I really don't get where you're going with this "science can't come before etc etc." argument
All of what you said is just not true.

Logic, reasoning, and objectivity exist independently from science. Meanwhile science is based on those concepts, they are different things.

The sciences are a field that is based around what is physical. Or in other words, what can be tried, tested and confirmed through empirical data.

And OP is right, the current scope of science is not big enough to understand and explain everything. Which is why science is not seen as the only standard to understand things and see how they can possibly function.
We observe and make deductions, conclusions, and theories from the data we collect. That is science in it's purest form.
Without observing, you cannot know it exists, you can only make baseless assumptions. Give me examples/explain how logic, reasoning, and particularly objectivity is separate from science when our practising of these concepts is science.

Current scope of science cannot explain everything? Then it is beyond any explanation which we can confirm as a whole. The basic concept of science has always been the same. We merely develop new tools to effectivise it. Claiming, say, philosophy or religion as "different" ways to understand things is ridiculous imo since they are based on beliefs, bias, and again, unverifiable assumptions.
 
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@Suave what exactly is your argument? I'm not sure I get the main point.

My primary argument can be summarised into one sentence. If science can't prove it, nothing else can. Science is the only way to be ascertained of the existence of a thing/phenomenon.
 
We need to observe something to confirm that it exists and what it does. Whatever definition you provided is based on reasoning. Observation and experiment are tools we use realise it.
Saying that there are things that exists beyond our observation by itself is not a verifiable statement. Further going on to theorise about what happens beyond our observation is ridiculous. It's like me saying there's an invisible object right in front of you which is moving around and doing whatever, and saying that it's worthwhile theorising because you can't prove it's non-existence.

When did I claim this? I merely said that you can't prove it right, and therefore propagating such ideas is incorrect.
Your whole argument for science being considered after "outside the box" thinking whatever means, is that there are things or phenomena you believe exist, that haven't been and cannot be verified to exist. I really don't get where you're going with this "science can't come before etc etc." argument

We observe and make deductions, conclusions, and theories from the data we collect. That is science in it's purest form.
Without observing, you cannot know it exists, you can only make baseless assumptions. Give me examples/explain how logic, reasoning, and particularly objectivity is separate from science when our practising of these concepts is science.

Current scope of science cannot explain everything? Then it is beyond any explanation which we can confirm as a whole. The basic concept of science has always been the same. We merely develop new tools to effectivise it. Claiming, say, philosophy or religion as "different" ways to understand things is ridiculous imo since they are based on beliefs, bias, and again, unverifiable assumptions.
You are arguing with idiots. Cant believe that there are no likes on your post(except for mine). Tells you a lot about the user base of lowiqmaxx.me
 
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We need to observe something to confirm that it exists and what it does. Whatever definition you provided is based on reasoning. Observation and experiment are tools we use realise it.
Saying that there are things that exists beyond our observation by itself is not a verifiable statement. Further going on to theorise about what happens beyond our observation is ridiculous. It's like me saying there's an invisible object right in front of you which is moving around and doing whatever, and saying that it's worthwhile theorising because you can't prove it's non-existence.
science is flawed, there are loopholes our brain makes using the same logic that we apply to science, science's whole view of things is only based on whats been proven previously, and we assume and apply that thinking process to make theories about other things, but isn't that BLINDLY assuming that the same rules to something will apply to everything else?. how can science make it law that all existing cells come from pre-existing ones, without being able to track every cell back to the first one? How come they say the big bang led to everything, without being able to see it? arent we using the logic and knowledge we have today to prove something very old, and inexplicable? Science's logic is the same as human logic, (obv scientists are human), and going by logic, something has to come from something else, so how does saying there is a god, but you can't prove it, mean that our way of thinking is flawed? we are just using the logic that there has to be some sort of special thing that created the first "cell", or else it would be a never ending cycle, which makes no sense, because science clearly states, our world had a beginning. Science can't prove spirits, etc, but there are many people that claim to have seen and felt out of this world things, are they just making it up? how would their way of thinking be flawed because they felt something inexplicable that cant be proven, are you just gonna discard what they felt as not real just because you cant prove it?by this logic, you shouldnt categorize someone as crazy, unless you feel what they're feeling, or else you would just be taking their word/actions for it. why, without seeing, did we ever bring up other dimensions, why would you acknowledge that a certain drug has a certain effect, if you can't prove it, unless you take it yourself, if you've never took it yourself, you are just taking other peoples word for it, i might be wrong, but i dont think dreams can be proven, yet we know they are real because we all have them, why cant something be real just because you yourself havent experienced it? is love not real because i've never felt it? the mind is powerful, only reason religion and things like that exist is to fill in the holes that science just can't, using the same logic that science, and every human uses.
 
There is no reason for us to care about these things at all, science is cope for incels and subhumans ngl tbh
 
You are arguing with idiots. Cant believe that there are no likes on your post(except for mine). Tells you a lot about the user base of lowiqmaxx.me
this is just bias, because what you believe, is in line with what he's stating, very idiotic of u
 
YES THERE ARE INTERDIMENSIONAL ALIEN DEMONS RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA
 
this is just bias, because what you believe, is in line with what he's stating, very idiotic of u
No. You don't understand the scientific method.

And the word salad you just posted is proof of it
 
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We need to observe something to confirm that it exists and what it does. Whatever definition you provided is based on reasoning. Observation and experiment are tools we use realise it.
Saying that there are things that exists beyond our observation by itself is not a verifiable statement. Further going on to theorise about what happens beyond our observation is ridiculous. It's like me saying there's an invisible object right in front of you which is moving around and doing whatever, and saying that it's worthwhile theorising because you can't prove it's non-existence.

When did I claim this? I merely said that you can't prove it right, and therefore propagating such ideas is incorrect.
Your whole argument for science being considered after "outside the box" thinking whatever means, is that there are things or phenomena you believe exist, that haven't been and cannot be verified to exist. I really don't get where you're going with this "science can't come before etc etc." argument

We observe and make deductions, conclusions, and theories from the data we collect. That is science in it's purest form.
Without observing, you cannot know it exists, you can only make baseless assumptions. Give me examples/explain how logic, reasoning, and particularly objectivity is separate from science when our practising of these concepts is science.

Current scope of science cannot explain everything? Then it is beyond any explanation which we can confirm as a whole. The basic concept of science has always been the same. We merely develop new tools to effectivise it. Claiming, say, philosophy or religion as "different" ways to understand things is ridiculous imo since they are based on beliefs, bias, and again, unverifiable assumptions.
Yes, we make deductions and conclusions from DATA. Data that can be repeated with the same method Consistently. That is science. This is the fundamental Part that you’re leaving out.

The sciences use logic and reasoning as a tool. This does not mean that logic and reasoning only exist within the realm of science, just like how a cook using a knife as a tool does not mean that knives only exist within the world of cooking. They are separate entities.

Philosophy is a field of study that is based on logic and reasoning. Yet philosophy is not considered a science. Why? Because philosophy does not have the review and testing of empirical data that science has or is based on.

Not everything can be tested, not everything can be tested and then proved beyond any reasonable doubt, not everything is objective. Many things are subjective. The world is not black and white. This is why things like philosophy exist, they are able to fill that necessary gap that science cannot fill. So yes they are a different way to look at things.

Science is heavily influenced by personal beliefs and Bias. There are many schools of thought in science and scientists disagree about the same subjects and topics all the time, which is what generates more theories and furthers research. What are you talking about?

Edit: Science is also littered with unverifiable assumptions. Especially within the field of physics. Lmfao
 
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@Suave what exactly is your argument? I'm not sure I get the main point.

My primary argument can be summarised into one sentence. If science can't prove it, nothing else can. Science is the only way to be ascertained of the existence of a thing/phenomenon.
no, you're making it, sound like science is this flexible thing using logic etc etc that is proven, yet using that same logic, if we make a statement that can't be proven by science, then that way of thinking is flawed? that makes 0 sense, science is simply some sht backed by some evidence. again, we can't actually prove that the big bang happened, or how long ago it happened, yet we use science from today, which is backed by evidence, so its "valid", to guess how the fuck this extremely complex world of ours started, and i guess we somehow have a "scientifically sense-making" theory . Science isnt flexible, its either proven or its not science. So lets just discard whats crossed thru everyones head at one point or another as flawed thinking, disregarding the fact that we have extremely limited knowledge and have been stuck on this rock for a very long time, looks like we are all just crazy, we shouldnt trust science either, looks like since we all think the same, our "logic" is self contradictory, and we just pick and choose what can be proven, and immediately discard anything that we think cant, and we'll just say it doesnt exist because the only "logic" we have some far cant make sense of it, like the universe is retarded and we have it figured out, and we know everything.
 
No. You don't understand the scientific method.

And the word salad you just posted is proof of it
the scientific method, woah man you sure are smart if you know the scientific method, care to explain?
 
Idc about higher dimensions when the lower dimension of the 2d world is far superior
 
science is flawed, there are loopholes our brain makes using the same logic that we apply to science, science's whole view of things is only based on whats been proven previously, and we assume and apply that thinking process to make theories about other things, but isn't that BLINDLY assuming that the same rules to something will apply to everything else?. how can science make it law that all existing cells come from pre-existing ones, without being able to track every cell back to the first one? How come they say the big bang led to everything, without being able to see it? arent we using the logic and knowledge we have today to prove something very old, and inexplicable? Science's logic is the same as human logic, (obv scientists are human), and going by logic, something has to come from something else, so how does saying there is a god, but you can't prove it, mean that our way of thinking is flawed? we are just using the logic that there has to be some sort of special thing that created the first "cell", or else it would be a never ending cycle, which makes no sense, because science clearly states, our world had a beginning. Science can't prove spirits, etc, but there are many people that claim to have seen and felt out of this world things, are they just making it up? how would their way of thinking be flawed because they felt something inexplicable that cant be proven, are you just gonna discard what they felt as not real just because you cant prove it?by this logic, you shouldnt categorize someone as crazy, unless you feel what they're feeling, or else you would just be taking their word/actions for it. why, without seeing, did we ever bring up other dimensions, why would you acknowledge that a certain drug has a certain effect, if you can't prove it, unless you take it yourself, if you've never took it yourself, you are just taking other peoples word for it, i might be wrong, but i dont think dreams can be proven, yet we know they are real because we all have them, why cant something be real just because you yourself havent experienced it? is love not real because i've never felt it? the mind is powerful, only reason religion and things like that exist is to fill in the holes that science just can't, using the same logic that science, and every human uses.
Reading your comment which is, frankly, nothing short of utter drivel, I should be stopping this conversation here but anyway here I am.

The arguments you have used are riddled with amateur fallacies. We don't know how life originated, or we don't have knowledge of how x happened therefore the scientific method is inaccurate. We don't know x therefore y. Ape-tier IQ to use this reasoning, spare me the insult, but I'm the one wasting my time refuting this. There's also the fact that we can make deductions about things that happened in the past without actually seeing it or being there, using say, carbon dating and the fact that the laws of the universe have always been observed to apply. Good luck finding an instance where they don't. We're studying the observable universe, and if we find a strong correlation, we test it, we attempt to refute it in any way possible, and consider instances where it doesn't apply, and fail, and there a law comes into existence. The only "flaw" of science is the exerciser, as humans we are not capable, currently, of flying to the surface of the sun to test something. Not that there are "things" which are beyond the realm of science that we cannot test (and therefore cannot verify at all, just make retarded theories which is mostly wishful thinking). You and @Blackout.xl aren't elucidating on what things or phenomena exist beyond science for which there is a VALID REASON to actually consider. If you say Jesus, I can say Osiris is just as valid. The proof for one God would be the proof for pretty much all Gods and religions, which is nothing short of the biggest cope in human history.

The lack of knowledge for one thing or phenomenon at present =/ science is flawed because we don't know everything, nor is it explanation for bullshit anecdotes. This is probably the primary issue with your comment.

How was the world created? Big Bang? Okay how do you get something from nothing (even though that's not really what the big bang theory states, entertain it)? I don't know. You tell me. You're the one who's insisting on making theories when millions of other possibilities could "explain" it the same way yours does. Where did God come from? Who was his creator? I can ask the same autistic questions you are, to no end.

I really am not willing to refute each of the 200 examples you provided one by one as the reasoning I provided above (in vain, no doubt) should suffice.

Yes, we make deductions and conclusions from DATA. Data that can be repeated with the same method Consistently. That is science. This is the fundamental Part that you’re leaving out.

The sciences use logic and reasoning as a tool. This does not mean that logic and reasoning only exist within the realm of science, just like how a cook using a knife as a tool does not mean that knives only exist within the world of cooking. They are separate entities.

Philosophy is a field of study that is based on logic and reasoning. Yet philosophy is not considered a science. Why? Because philosophy does not have the review and testing of empirical data that science has or is based on.

Not everything can be tested, not everything can be tested and then proved beyond any reasonable doubt, not everything is objective. Many things are subjective. The world is not black and white. This is why things like philosophy exist, they are able to fill that necessary gap that science cannot fill. So yes they are a different way to look at things.

Science is heavily influenced by personal beliefs and Bias. There are many schools of thought in science and scientists disagree about the same subjects and topics all the time, which is what generates more theories and furthers research. What are you talking about?

Edit: Science is also littered with unverifiable assumptions. Especially within the field of physics. Lmfao
Demarcation problem. We don't know what realms fall under science and what don't. This is more of a semantic issue which really shouldn't be the topic. Philosophy has a lot of tie-ins with psychology which is the rigorous science. Any basement dweller can become a "philosopher" by talking about things we can't see or know about. Fuck, Deepak Chopra is a prime example. Literally just spouts "quantum" in whatever he speaks and suddenly it's the word of a knowledgeable man. J

Please cite some examples of what cannot be observed or reasonably extrapolated from observation that exists. Whatever "gap" science doesn't fill is something that is beyond our ability to verify, ever, and if it's not verifiable, you can keep theorising all you want and hoping God exists or whatever example you may cite. The burden of proof is not on science in that case to prove it false.

If we don't know something, that doesn't make it okay to disguise literal rubbish as a "theory." Loosely, any opinion on a matter is a "theory." The world came to existence because of (insert literally millions of theories).
We don't know yet. That is it. Not that we can't find out in the future, or that some unverifiable claim becomes plausible suddenly.

The process of getting a result in science need not be the focus. Sure researchers are biased. But no claim of theirs will become a fact accepted by the scientific community. Especially when we are talking about universal laws.
 
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Idc about higher dimensions when the lower dimension of the 2d world is far superior
true, i wish i was just a flat simple being, then i wouldnt be heightmogged
 
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Reading your comment which is, frankly, nothing short of utter drivel, I should be stopping this conversation here but anyway here I am.

The arguments you have used are riddled with amateur fallacies. We don't know how life originated, or we don't have knowledge of how x happened therefore the scientific method is inaccurate. We don't know x therefore y. Ape-tier IQ to use this reasoning, spare me the insult, but I'm the one wasting my time refuting this. There's also the fact that we can make deductions about things that happened in the past without actually seeing it or being there, using say, carbon dating and the fact that the laws of the universe have always been observed to apply. Good luck finding an instance where they don't. We're studying the observable universe, and if we find a strong correlation, we test it, we attempt to refute it in any way possible, and consider instances where it doesn't apply, and fail, and there a law comes into existence. The only "flaw" of science is the exerciser, as humans we are not capable, currently, of flying to the surface of the sun to test something. Not that there are "things" which are beyond the realm of science that we cannot test (and therefore cannot verify at all, just make retarded theories which is mostly wishful thinking). You and @Blackout.xl aren't elucidating on what things or phenomena exist beyond science for which there is a VALID REASON to actually consider. If you say Jesus, I can say Osiris is just as valid. The proof for one God would be the proof for pretty much all Gods and religions, which is nothing short of the biggest cope in human history.

The lack of knowledge for one thing or phenomenon at present =/ science is flawed because we don't know everything, nor is it explanation for bullshit anecdotes. This is probably the primary issue with your comment.

How was the world created? Big Bang? Okay how do you get something from nothing (even though that's not really what the big bang theory states, entertain it)? I don't know. You tell me. You're the one who's insisting on making theories when millions of other possibilities could "explain" it the same way yours does. Where did God come from? Who was his creator? I can ask the same autistic questions you are, to no end.

I really am not willing to refute each of the 200 examples you provided one by one as the reasoning I provided above (in vain, no doubt) should suffice.


Demarcation problem. We don't know what realms fall under science and what don't. This is more of a semantic issue which really shouldn't be the topic. Philosophy has a lot of tie-ins with psychology which is the rigorous science. Any basement dweller can become a "philosopher" by talking about things we can't see or know about. Fuck, Deepak Chopra is a prime example. Literally just spouts "quantum" in whatever he speaks and suddenly it's the word of a knowledgeable man. J

Please cite some examples of what cannot be observed or reasonably extrapolated from observation that exists. Whatever "gap" science doesn't fill is something that is beyond our ability to verify, ever, and if it's not verifiable, you can keep theorising all you want and hoping God exists or whatever example you may cite. The burden of proof is not on science in that case to prove it false.

If we don't know something, that doesn't make it okay to disguise literal rubbish as a "theory." Loosely, any opinion on a matter is a "theory." The world came to existence because of (insert literally millions of theories).
We don't know yet. That is it. Not that we can't find out in the future, or that some unverifiable claim becomes plausible suddenly.

The process of getting a result in science need not be the focus. Sure researchers are biased. But no claim of theirs will become a fact accepted by the scientific community. Especially when we are talking about universal laws.
Nope. We know what fields are within the sciences and we know which ones are not. There is no demarcation problem.

As I stated before, science is considered science due to it being based upon the foundation of the testing and application of data. Basic propositions only become part of science when they are tried and tested.

Whereas philosophical ideas only need to exist in order to be considered apart of philosophy, since the field of philosophy is based on propositions and ideas, which are not confirmed or validated through empirical data. There is an obvious fundamental difference here.

Philosophy once again uses psychology as a tool, this does not mean philosophy as a whole exists within the realm of the sciences. Philosophy at its core is the opposite of science. Science is the physical. Philosophy is the non-physical.

It depends on what you mean by observe. Observation in science is not the same as observation in philosophy.

Science observing something and confirming its existence requires repeated testing with the same method resulting in the same results.

This right off the bat is limited to things which can only be said to physically exist, which gives way to things like Philosophical concepts not being observed by science (Democracy, free speech, human rights, fascism, communism, etc. All ideas, which cannot be tested with the scientific method).

Before you say these things can be tested by the scientific method, they cannot. You can test iterations of these concepts, put into existence by individuals or Societies subject to outside factors and bias. But you cannot test the concepts by themselves. As they are not made up of anything. There’s nothing to test. Yet we know they exist.

This again, is dogma. Not facts grounded in reality. Your only way to avoid this was to act as if there is a demarcation problem with what is considered science and what is not considered science. Lmfao. When was the last time you saw a philosophy program being part of a science department at an educational institution? Probably never and Theres a reason for that.

Don’t know where that comment about god fake from. God is a different subject. It’s not like science can not give credence to the probability around a god existing either.

I agree that the burden is not on science to prove or disprove god. As science is not meant for such a thing, but you have to be careful here and disassociate science from any religious ideology. Whether it be Christianity, Islam, agnosticism or atheism. As those all make their own claims, independently from science.

It’s like you didn’t even read the multiple parts where I mentioned that there are multiple schools of thought within the realm of science. Or in other terms, there’s groups of scientists who subscribe to certain world views within the context if science, which gives them a bias right off of the bat. Humans innately are biased one way or another anyway
 
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The only "flaw" of science is the exerciser, as humans we are not capable, currently, of flying to the surface of the sun to test something. Not that there are "things" which are beyond the realm of science that we cannot test (and therefore cannot verify at all, just make retarded theories which is mostly wishful thinking). You and @Blackout.xl aren't elucidating on what things or phenomena exist beyond science for which there is a VALID REASON to actually consider.

the only "flaw" of science seems to be, and this is just what i got from reading your comments, is that it claims anything thats real, can be proven with science, and if it cant be proven by science then its automatically not real. This is very ignorant, because, science didnt create anything, again, science came after, you think if you told humans we are coded with A, T, C, G and all that shit, like 800 years ago, they wouldnt have called you crazy? when science proved that we are coded in a very specific way, it didnt actually make this process any more valid/realer than it already was. Everything already is, if theres a god, he already exists, wether science can prove it later on, he was real all this time, not only after sciences acknowledgement. "Not that there are "things" which are beyond the realm of science that we cannot test" seriously, are all scientists/enthusiasts this arrogant? this is the same as me drawing a square and saying "inside this square is science, anything in here we know is true, anything outside, is automatically not real, but anything on the inside we can prove" we dont know anything, seems like you've limited your interest to just inside this solar system. why do i feel you would atleast respect the big bang theory , which is just that, a theory, just because its discussed among scientists (i guess idk), but call "retarded theories" when we talk about something that has been discarded by science but still "reaching" just as much as the big bang theory? is everything to you, discussed by scientists possibly real? even if its complete speculation? and is everything discarded by science instantly bullshit fantasy that cant be proven, even tho its based on pure speculation too?

The lack of knowledge for one thing or phenomenon at present =/ science is flawed because we don't know everything, nor is it explanation for bullshit anecdotes. This is probably the primary issue with your comment.

How was the world created? Big Bang? Okay how do you get something from nothing (even though that's not really what the big bang theory states, entertain it)? I don't know. You tell me. You're the one who's insisting on making theories when millions of other possibilities could "explain" it the same way yours does. Where did God come from? Who was his creator? I can ask the same autistic questions you are, to no end.

no one said thats what the big bang theory states, 2 seperate things, big bang theory , just 2 random rocks hit each other and made this complex world, and second, science states every cell comes from pre-existing ones. Now provide a theory that just doesnt completely ignore that law, without stating that it had to be some creator. You saying you could ask same thing with religion, who created god etc etc, is just retarded. One of the reasons religion was created was to put an end to this loophole, while im not saying its real, im pretty sure science cant explain how the first cell came to be either, so its just as much bullshit

I really am not willing to refute each of the 200 examples you provided one by one as the reasoning I provided above (in vain, no doubt) should suffice.


Demarcation problem. We don't know what realms fall under science and what don't. This is more of a semantic issue which really shouldn't be the topic. Philosophy has a lot of tie-ins with psychology which is the rigorous science. Any basement dweller can become a "philosopher" by talking about things we can't see or know about. Fuck, Deepak Chopra is a prime example. Literally just spouts "quantum" in whatever he speaks and suddenly it's the word of a knowledgeable man. J

Please cite some examples of what cannot be observed or reasonably extrapolated from observation that exists. Whatever "gap" science doesn't fill is something that is beyond our ability to verify, ever, and if it's not verifiable, you can keep theorising all you want and hoping God exists or whatever example you may cite. The burden of proof is not on science in that case to prove it false.

"Whatever "gap" science doesn't fill is something that is beyond our ability to verify, ever" this is pure bullshit speculation too, who are you to predict the future? as if we have reached "end game", like there's not the whole universe out there, like its impossible for their to be some time traveling tunnel that teleports you from pluto to another galaxy (not saying anything is real, but it could be, idk) lets say this is all about guessing, and we guess on the same question saying no and i guess yes,and im pretty sure theres a higher chance that i can guess right and you guess wrong, considering how big this universe is, and considering you base everything off this small space we live in, disregarding everything else. (is there a creator(s)/higher beings) (do aliens exist)(are there higher dimensions)etc, now these are cliche and just basic questions, im sure more science based theories about the universe using mathematics etc have an even higher chance of being true.

If we don't know something, that doesn't make it okay to disguise literal rubbish as a "theory." Loosely, any opinion on a matter is a "theory." The world came to existence because of (insert literally millions of theories).
We don't know yet. That is it. Not that we can't find out in the future, or that some unverifiable claim becomes plausible suddenly.

i dont see how anything of higher power than us is "literal rubbish", every thought has some logic in it, and we all share the same basic thoughts , only difference i see is scientists are more of a glass half empty people, who just refute anything that doesnt fit their scientific believes.

The process of getting a result in science need not be the focus. Sure researchers are biased. But no claim of theirs will become a fact accepted by the scientific community. Especially when we are talking about universal laws.
 
Nope. We know what fields are within the sciences and we know which ones are not. There is no demarcation problem.

As I stated before, science is considered science due to it being based upon the foundation of the testing and application of data. Basic propositions only become part of science when they are tried and tested.

Whereas philosophical ideas only need to exist in order to be considered apart of philosophy, since the field of philosophy is based on propositions and ideas, which are not confirmed or validated through empirical data. There is an obvious fundamental difference here.

Philosophy once again uses psychology as a tool, this does not mean philosophy as a whole exists within the realm of the sciences. Philosophy at its core is the opposite of science. Science is the physical. Philosophy is the non-physical.

It depends on what you mean by observe. Observation in science is not the same as observation in philosophy.

Science observing something and confirming its existence requires repeated testing with the same method resulting in the same results.

This right off the bat is limited to things which can only be said to physically exist, which gives way to things like Philosophical concepts not being observed by science (Democracy, free speech, human rights, fascism, communism, etc. All ideas, which cannot be tested with the scientific method).

Before you say these things can be tested by the scientific method, they cannot. You can test iterations of these concepts, put into existence by individuals or Societies subject to outside factors and bias. But you cannot test the concepts by themselves. As they are not made up of anything. There’s nothing to test. Yet we know they exist.

This again, is dogma. Not facts grounded in reality. Your only way to avoid this was to act as if there is a demarcation problem with what is considered science and what is not considered science. Lmfao. When was the last time you saw a philosophy program being part of a science department at an educational institution? Probably never and Theres a reason for that.

Don’t know where that comment about god fake from. God is a different subject. It’s not like science can not give credence to the probability around a god existing either.

I agree that the burden is not on science to prove or disprove god. As science is not meant for such a thing, but you have to be careful here and disassociate science from any religious ideology. Whether it be Christianity, Islam, agnosticism or atheism. As those all make their own claims, independently from science.

It’s like you didn’t even read the multiple parts where I mentioned that there are multiple schools of thought within the realm of science. Or in other terms, there’s groups of scientists who subscribe to certain world views within the context if science, which gives them a bias right off of the bat. Humans innately are biased one way or another anyway
I will respond tomorrow/a few hours later.
 
This right off the bat is limited to things which can only be said to physically exist, which gives way to things like Philosophical concepts not being observed by science (Democracy, free speech, human rights, fascism, communism, etc. All ideas, which cannot be tested with the scientific method).

Before you say these things can be tested by the scientific method, they cannot. You can test iterations of these concepts, put into existence by individuals or Societies subject to outside factors and bias. But you cannot test the concepts by themselves. As they are not made up of anything. There’s nothing to test. Yet we know they exist.
Great point. I failed to also consider that science depends on logical and presuppositions mathematics itself. Yet, something irks me about this argument. I find myself justifying this as a necessary "exception" because it just is that way. I find myself in a discussion often where people bring out the "science isn't everything" argument when trying to justify the existence of something (almost always God or religion-related matters).

It’s like you didn’t even read the multiple parts where I mentioned that there are multiple schools of thought within the realm of science. Or in other terms, there’s groups of scientists who subscribe to certain world views within the context if science, which gives them a bias right off of the bat. Humans innately are biased one way or another anyway
Human biases also do not apply when it comes to proven, reproducable scientific laws. I mentioned that earlier. Sure there will be debate and disagreements about topics that need them, because we simply aren't 100% sure about what's right and what's wrong there. You don't see anyone debating the existence of the law of conservation of momentum. To a similar extent, this can be applied to things like vaccines. There are a few people claiming that they are the bane of modern medicine but them holding that view doesn't negate or lessen the science that went into it which says otherwise.
 
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Great point. I failed to also consider that science depends on logical and presuppositions mathematics itself. Yet, something irks me about this argument. I find myself justifying this as a necessary "exception" because it just is that way. I find myself in a discussion often where people bring out the "science isn't everything" argument when trying to justify the existence of something (almost always God or religion-related matters).


Human biases also do not apply when it comes to proven, reproducable scientific laws. I mentioned that earlier. Sure there will be debate and disagreements about topics that need them, because we simply aren't 100% sure about what's right and what's wrong there. You don't see anyone debating the existence of the law of conservation of momentum. To a similar extent, this can be applied to things like vaccines. There are a few people claiming that they are the bane of modern medicine but them holding that view doesn't negate or lessen the science that went into it which says otherwise.
You do not see people debating the law of the conversion of momentum, sure. But you do have people debating the Big Bang. Or the cosmological constants. Or the biological functions of different species and purpose of biological functions.

You do have entire schools of thought here, which Infer their propositions, as a means to fill the gaps that cannot be 100% confirmed (multiverse theory, big bounce theory, cyclical theory). So biases are still present
 
then you have to believe its possible for "something" to appear out of thin air and disappear, this is mainly aimed at people who believe in science and that everything is just what we can see and prove

Walking into a higher dimension will make you disappear to everybody else, it’s like floating on top of a piece of paper, nobody can see where you went but you are really just in the dimension above it.
 
most theoretical physicists believe it (8 dimensions), so I guess its likely true.
 

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