IF YOU'RE ANTI ISRAEL AND YOU'RE , WHITE, PRO WESTERN , YOU'RE A FAGGOT

[Hess]

that's not your only trait that could have been seen as decadant plus, the world is a lot more different than it was 80 years ago, the laws would be adjusted for the current time period.

If we are going by what the vast majority of people consider incels they are just average/slightly below average looking men with not much social skills, the issues of inceldom in modern society is caused by a vastly inflated dating market with higher standards than ones that were held back in the day, caused by social media, hollywood culture, the sexual revolution and rise of promiscuity and etc, I don't believe hitler would "target" incels if they would mostly be non existent in a society with entirely different standards and more control over the culture, especially considering that people as ugly and short as goebbels were severe womanizers during that time (hitler had to tell him to stop cheating on his wife due to public image concerns) but even if say there was a section of ugly men that couldnt succeed in dating why would hitler care when they don't reproduce in the first place? most would likely either find success randomly or just die alone while working a job or die of starvation I think your argument is just deeply flawed in this regard

 

[Hess]

BTW if me just sharing dms of what people have said abt my face is "proof" enough then sure im more than happy to provide that

Offer still stands, unlike you I care about my digital footprint and do not want my face to be associated with this forum which is something only an extremely stupid person would do

 

[FiendFiend]

If we are going by what the vast majority of people consider incels they are just average/slightly below average looking men with not much social skills, the issues of inceldom in modern society is caused by a vastly inflated dating market with higher standards than ones that were held back in the day, caused by social media, hollywood culture, the sexual revolution and rise of promiscuity and etc, I don't believe hitler would "target" incels if they would mostly be non existent in a society with entirely different standards and more control over the culture, especially considering that people as ugly and short as goebbels were severe womanizers during that time (hitler had to tell him to stop cheating on his wife due to public image concerns) but even if say there was a section of ugly men that couldnt succeed in dating why would hitler care when they don't reproduce in the first place? most would likely either find success randomly or just die alone while working a job or die of starvation I think your argument is just deeply flawed in this regard

It's not only looks oriented, history of broken homes, alcoholism, in order for a kid to turn out being an incel. Neglectfulness runs in the genes. Like I've said I can makeup some bs scenario utopia saying muh incels wouldn't exist in my utopian dictatorship.

I don't get what the issues or quams you have with the modern world? Sure hypergamy isn't great but surely if you are a white man you could get women overseas with some basic self care jfl. There is economic abundance, like I said if this world is too much for you to handle to where it will have you resort to talking about cum tributes and anime girls.

I just see 0 accountability and thinking the state would have came and saved you. The argument I'm making is if you can not fight back the urges from Hollywood, the internet, pornography, social media, then maybe you would not have done so well in Eugencist nazi germany.

Also the average height was a lot shorter, and Goebbels had status. Its nothing new. The issue is hitler wouldn't leave alone the unique and niche people we have in our society. Everyone has the right to live as they want. Homosexuals, leftists, don't reproduce, the only somewhat valid point you had was on left wing academia, thats pretty much it.

Other than that liberal cities are population sinkholes. Dictatorships historically had low stability, I do think if there are existential threats to our civilization like mass immigration and neo-Marxism in academia. But yeah a slight bit of hypergamy, some people watching porn or hollywood or whatever is a justification to possibly cause civilizational suicide or throw it up in the air.

Then again man, not to throw personal insults you're literally talking about these things like "dying of starvation" as if its a normal thing. You do know it comes to a certain point where you are not much different to the Marxists lol? Weimar germany's problems were a lot different, the economic situation was in the toilet, one of the worst economic crises ever recorded, lost a world war and was humiliated.

But SFcels want to cherry pick with whats wrong modern society "muh well weimar germany had porn and jews or something and now so do we history is repeating", you're literally living in modern Rome but even better, one of the longest extended periods of peace ever, the institutions are working really well compared to before, you don't have to worry about starving or going to war. The nazis were reactionaries; you shouldn't support reactionary politics if you're not reacting to something severe. The system works, there are some moderate reactionaries within the first world that are going to reverse replacement, not to mention ethnics struggling more in the dating pool, having lower birthrates and countries like india, the phillipines on their way to have hypergamy issues 10000x worse than us, if they arent already there.

 

[FiendFiend]

It's not only looks oriented, history of broken homes, alcoholism, in order for a kid to turn out being an incel. Neglectfulness runs in the genes. Like I've said I can makeup some bs scenario utopia saying muh incels wouldn't exist in my utopian dictatorship.

I don't get what the issues or quams you have with the modern world? Sure hypergamy isn't great but surely if you are a white man you could get women overseas with some basic self care jfl. There is economic abundance, like I said if this world is too much for you to handle to where it will have you resort to talking about cum tributes and anime girls.

I just see 0 accountability and thinking the state would have came and saved you. The argument I'm making is if you can not fight back the urges from Hollywood, the internet, pornography, social media, then maybe you would not have done so well in Eugencist nazi germany.

Also the average height was a lot shorter, and Goebbels had status. Its nothing new. The issue is hitler wouldn't leave alone the unique and niche people we have in our society. Everyone has the right to live as they want. Homosexuals, leftists, don't reproduce, the only somewhat valid point you had was on left wing academia, thats pretty much it.

Other than that liberal cities are population sinkholes. Dictatorships historically had low stability, I do think if there are existential threats to our civilization like mass immigration and neo-Marxism in academia. But yeah a slight bit of hypergamy, some people watching porn or hollywood or whatever is a justification to possibly cause civilizational suicide or throw it up in the air.

Then again man, not to throw personal insults you're literally talking about these things like "dying of starvation" as if its a normal thing. You do know it comes to a certain point where you are not much different to the Marxists lol? Weimar germany's problems were a lot different, the economic situation was in the toilet, one of the worst economic crises ever recorded, lost a world war and was humiliated.

But SFcels want to cherry pick with whats wrong modern society "muh well weimar germany had porn and jews or something and now so do we history is repeating", you're literally living in modern Rome but even better, one of the longest extended periods of peace ever, the institutions are working really well compared to before, you don't have to worry about starving or going to war. The nazis were reactionaries; you shouldn't support reactionary politics if you're not reacting to something severe. The system works, there are some moderate reactionaries within the first world that are going to reverse replacement, not to mention ethnics struggling more in the dating pool, having lower birthrates and countries like india, the phillipines on their way to have hypergamy issues 10000x worse than us, if they arent already there.

and to tell you why I'm against punishing incels, and support them coming out of their mold and improving through maybe fixing their looks, fixing their stuff is because I at one point too had horrible acne , was fat, on top of that my dad was an alcoholic? So what? I refuse to ever drink alcohol and fix all the problems I had in my upbringing, although it is not as bad as a lot of horror stories I heard.

Being an incel and introspective can help fix you to make good habbits and pass it down to your family to make sure you have good habbits, genes are only good habbits passed down over a long enough time, dietary, personality, alcoholism.

I think people who are incels should, and already could under this current system to wiggle their way out of the problems they have, be it ascending, being exceptional partners/parents. I think if you really want to fix up the mistakes from your past from your parents, you genuinely do.

Someone who has looked good their whole life had shit handed to them will be decadent as fuck and eventually the inherited wealth, good genes will fade away, from alcoholism and whatever. My great-grandparents were wealthy as fuck Europeans, who were in connection with german, Scandinavian monarchs; my family surname is actually quite rich, but we aren't so well off? Why? Because of things outside our control, but also alcoholism, suicide, they had it so easy, even ran businesses to where they took out so much loans they didnt pay it back because they have been good lifers for so long.

I think technology will either way fix down syndromes, I do think in cases of very severe issues they should not be fixed, but imagine how much lives we have saved, of people we wouldnt have otherwise nazi germany would have won? You're autistic and we have the data on it? Oh abort. The kids going to be 80 iq? Oh abort? Kleinfelters? Oh abort. Horse shoe theory is real man

 

[Hess]

It's not only looks oriented, history of broken homes, alcoholism, in order for a kid to turn out being an incel. Neglectfulness runs in the genes. Like I've said I can makeup some bs scenario utopia saying muh incels wouldn't exist in my utopian dictatorship.

Never said that was the only factor and yea ofc their would be ppl who are socially outcasted but I dont believe someone being a social outcast means they would be sterilized or heavily targerted when most of those issues are caused via enviroment and not genetics, maybe some freak that kills animals but the incels we are talking abt are just socially maladjusted people that would live on their own and have a basic job that supports themselves, and I never said incels wouldnt exist in a dictatorship but that the issue today is vastly over exaggerated by modern cultural issues which you did not address

I don't get what the issues or quams you have with the modern world? Sure hypergamy isn't great but surely if you are a white man you could get women overseas with some basic self care jfl. There is economic abundance, like I said if this world is too much for you to handle to where it will have you resort to talking about cum tributes and anime girls.

I disagree that this the issues are minor when a vast majority of women grow up with extremely skewed standards and otherwise normal men arent heavily selected for, also geomaxxing for some SEA monkeys and racemixing is just disgusting and leads to more mentally ill incels who dont even have a coherent identity (see elliot rodgers), but as I said I am not saying that world is brutally unfair or that its hell but there are obvious signs of cultural decay that worsen societal issues and cause things like this

I just see 0 accountability and thinking the state would have came and saved you. The argument I'm making is if you can not fight back the urges from Hollywood, the internet, pornography, social media, then maybe you would not have done so well in Eugencist nazi germany.

Not a porn addict nor do I particularly care much about it nor do I blame the "state" for urges which I do not have, the only thing im "guilty" of in your mind is finding a somewhat explicit photo attractive which you tried to use as an own against me to imply I am one, but eitherway I have never made any claims that I am some perfect paragon ubermensch, just that I am not an incel

Also the average height was a lot shorter, and Goebbels had status. Its nothing new. The issue is hitler wouldn't leave alone the unique and niche people we have in our society. Everyone has the right to live as they want. Homosexuals, leftists, don't reproduce, the only somewhat valid point you had was on left wing academia, thats pretty much it.

Yea it was shorter but he was not the average height he was 5'2 which is short for even then paired with extremely bad looks, not saying he was an incel because I find him admirable in a lot of aspects (he was an intellectual with a phd in history that was uniquely inteligent even among the inner circles of the NSDAP despite his faults) also I disagree with that, majority of the NSDAP were made out of very unique and niche people themselves, hitler had mental issues during his time after the wars, goebbels was severely depressed due to his issues with his clubfoot and being unable to serve, also your wrong abt goebbels relying on status as well considering before he was influential in politics and only just studying in university he still was fairly active socially and had romantic flings with women before his time in the NSDAP, so saying it was his status alone is just wrong, he had charm despite his severe insecurity complexes and genetic disorder with clubfoot

Other than that liberal cities are population sinkholes. Dictatorships historically had low stability, I do think if there are existential threats to our civilization like mass immigration and neo-Marxism in academia. But yeah a slight bit of hypergamy, some people watching porn or hollywood or whatever is a justification to possibly cause civilizational suicide or throw it up in the airs

Ya a lot of dictatorships are defined by low stability due to failing to consolidate power (look at the failure of franco) but this also is not some inevitablity of the system, look at china today with its modern vanguard party and how despite its communist image has evolved heavily into a decently functioning prosperous state with very high stabillity (china does have issues with rural poverty and does fudge the statistics which im highly critical of them bcuz of that but the overall point is that despite their rural poverty problems they have very high stability, economic prospering in so many areas as well as making its elite classes in their private sector serve the chinese interests specifically as opposed to how ours are only concerned with their own)

Then again man, not to throw personal insults you're literally talking about these things like "dying of starvation" as if its a normal thing. You do know it comes to a certain point where you are not much different to the Marxists lol? Weimar germany's problems were a lot different, the economic situation was in the toilet, one of the worst economic crises ever recorded, lost a world war and was humiliated.

I was moreso talking abt incels/peoples that would be incapable of holding down a job/be deadbeats on society, I just dont believe such people should leach off welfare and whether they survive or not is up to them or their family social net (which often leads to them abandoning said person because they realize nothing can fix the person now) as for weimar's situation I never said it was the same but honestly I would consider theirs far more optimistic politically as they had thousands of disgruntled veterans paired with an entrench elite that were heavily against leftism and despite their disagreements with nazism at times were more than happy to help fund them and save their nation which they did, the old prussian junker class were just extremely admirable elites that wanted the best for their nation, we currently live in a state of decay with thankfully none of the economic problems but at the offside of having not much of an actual elite that heavily care about actual nationalism like the germans did who helped save their nation, we have very dubious peoples who either can somewhat allign with our cause or outright fund left wing activism and go against white interests explicitly

But SFcels want to cherry pick with whats wrong modern society "muh well weimar germany had porn and jews or something and now so do we history is repeating", you're literally living in modern Rome but even better, one of the longest extended periods of peace ever, the institutions are working really well compared to before, you don't have to worry about starving or going to war. The nazis were reactionaries; you shouldn't support reactionary politics if you're not reacting to something severe. The system works, there are some moderate reactionaries within the first world that are going to reverse replacement, not to mention ethnics struggling more in the dating pool, having lower birthrates and countries like india, the phillipines on their way to have hypergamy issues 10000x worse than us, if they arent already there.

The utter decline of the quality of our people spiritually is so much more lower than what they were like in weimar considering that the german reich during ww1 had some of the best and brightest of all of the aristocracies which was cultivated via the extreme meritocratic selection of their aristocracy during their times as prussia and all their constant reforming of their millitary and tying the nobillity to service of the nation which a lot of aristocracies did not have (see pre-revolutionary france, britain's aristocracy was better but they just did not have the entrenched junker elite and a lot of their most admirable were killed off heavily in ww1 sadly) , as for the replacement reversing it is extremely up in the air politically I believe it can either get far worse or marginally improve depending on how europe reacts (restore britain for all its faults is cultivating an explicitly ethno-nationalist wing in its more younger members and pushing back against more civic nationalist parties like reform (i know rupert is not as different to nigel but his wing has become far more extreme and has gained much popularity fast), in regards to continental germany I am far more hopeful as the EU parties have to suffer either having pro-russian anti immigration parties take control more and more as immigration becomes the main concern for people or having to be forced by said parties to double down on immigration like they have in denmark and sweden, (I also believe russia whether they are actually funding these parties or not serves as a threat to push the EU more in line with immigration if it weaponizes their eu skeptic parties mroe and more)

 

[Hess]

and to tell you why I'm against punishing incels, and support them coming out of their mold and improving through maybe fixing their looks, fixing their stuff is because I at one point too had horrible acne , was fat, on top of that my dad was an alcoholic? So what? I refuse to ever drink alcohol and fix all the problems I had in my upbringing, although it is not as bad as a lot of horror stories I heard.

I don't disagree with this and I am not an incel despite having a "phase" of this when I was younger until I improved myself

Being an incel and introspective can help fix you to make good habbits and pass it down to your family to make sure you have good habbits, genes are only good habbits passed down over a long enough time, dietary, personality, alcoholism.

Ya there is selection processes involved but this is not at all going to be certain for incels since most are tied down by extreme laziness or just very disgusting anti-social behaviour (making cum tributes on .org, torturing small animals etc) which I don't believe would be heavily targerted but if they were targeted for being dysgenic by not being able to hold down jobs or being a dead end then my sympathy is limited to them

I think people who are incels should, and already could under this current system to wiggle their way out of the problems they have, be it ascending, being exceptional partners/parents. I think if you really want to fix up the mistakes from your past from your parents, you genuinely do.

Again I don't disagree with this and that t his most likely was the position of the NSDAP since a huge chunk of them were at their lowest before they could gain power, goebbels had severe mental issues and hitler despite his intelligence was very prone to mental illness due to either ptsd or how the chemical warfare fucked with his brain, as well as himmler going from a failed chicken farmer and average middle class person to leading one of the most brutal and efficient paramillitaries like the SS, most would want to help uplift people who have potential but just discard the ones that are utter drains and do not give any purpose to people or have any decent qualities

Someone who has looked good their whole life had shit handed to them will be decadent as fuck and eventually the inherited wealth, good genes will fade away, from alcoholism and whatever. My great-grandparents were wealthy as fuck Europeans, who were in connection with german, Scandinavian monarchs; my family surname is actually quite rich, but we aren't so well off? Why? Because of things outside our control, but also alcoholism, suicide, they had it so easy, even ran businesses to where they took out so much loans they didnt pay it back because they have been good lifers for so long.

The NSDAP believed this to a degree though, despite their connections with the former aristocracies they explicitly talked abt how they failed them and that they didnt want to return to the past but rebuild for the future, the SS was an attempt at recreating a new aristocracy which implemented and absorbed the former aristocrats of the second reich, but even so the german aristocrats were not this bad as they were defined by their millitary service and despite all their arrogrance and faults they still had so many geniune good traits, you have to differ the german aristocrats from the other ones that became extremely decadent like pre-revolutionary france as their dynamics in the government were far more different (french aristocrats were never involved heavily in the millitary and were disgusting cowards, the german aristocrats would fight on the frontline and defined themselves by their millitary service, this will obviously lead to the two aristocracies selecting for far more different peoples)

I think technology will either way fix down syndromes, I do think in cases of very severe issues they should not be fixed, but imagine how much lives we have saved, of people we wouldnt have otherwise nazi germany would have won? You're autistic and we have the data on it? Oh abort. The kids going to be 80 iq? Oh abort? Kleinfelters? Oh abort. Horse shoe theory is real man

Im fine with conceding not killing these people as yea I believe hitler overcorrected but something like sterilization is not bad, also keep in mind in regards to autism, the nazis coined the term aspergers to differienatate autists who could be somewhat socially adjusted and operate normally and the actual severe autists who could only scream and flail around, but eitherway I am secular and I just don't believe something like sterilization or abortion for eugenic purposes is inherently bad (abortion is bad in modern contexts because it helps promote women taking zero consequences for their actions and get off scot free and not raise their kids that they made, but also something like rape should be allowed as not only should an anti social rapist not be allowed to spread their genes but I have sympathy for women who have to raise a rape baby and see their rapist in their child everyday)