I’m converting to Islam

[slime]

I want to know more about Allah.

 

[loyolaxavvierretard]

No

 

[JasGews69x]

 

[got.daim]

I want to know more about Allah.

@Gengar

 

[Amin]

don't

 

[PickleTheSlayer]

Allahuma Barik

 

[tuberculosisinmybal]

Welcome to islam habibi

 

[CorinthianLOX]

I want to know more about Allah.

No you most certainly are not

 

[rrm_ss2]

I want to know more about Allah.

why though

 

[Gengar]

I want to know more about Allah.

Welcome back!

@Gengar

I know this guy from years ago.

 

[Ogionth]

I want to know more about Allah.

Slime, pm me and I'll teach you some logical arguments that'll help you proceed with Islam and I'll teach you more about Allah, the all-powerful.

 

[NEET_Emperor]

yo, Allah here
good to hear... just make sure you pray to me 5 times a day and donate to my paypal and you'll go to jannah bro

 

[Ogionth]

yo, Allah here
good to hear... just make sure you pray to me 5 times a day and donate to my paypal and you'll go to jannah bro

Do you not feel ashamed? You've fallen to a degenerate level of immorality that where, there was no need of saying this whatsoever, you've spoken with ignorance.

 

[CorinthianLOX]

yo, Allah here
good to hear... just make sure you pray to me 5 times a day and donate to my paypal and you'll go to jannah bro

Do you not feel ashamed? You've fallen to a degenerate level of immorality that where, there was no need of saying this whatsoever, you've spoken with ignorance.

 

[iblamemycuriuosity]

I want to know more about Allah.

Do it brother don't listen to the brainwashed racists here

 

[JohnDoe]

Welcome brother, you have chosen to come to the light. God will bless you in ways you have never even thought of. All that is required is that you submit to the Almighty, our creator.

 

[try2beme]

Im interested

 

[JohnDoe]

Do you not feel ashamed? You've fallen to a degenerate level of immorality that where, there was no need of saying this whatsoever, you've spoken with ignorance.

It's okay, he is young and immature. We do not need to do anything, God will humble all those who choose to insult or belittle the Almighty. He is an atheist because a true christian is not taught to insult other religions or God.

 

[134applesauce456]

mashallah

 

[Ogionth]

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Okay, so to begin with,

I'll clarify some things and then I'll explain each of those sources and it is good that one of your arguments is from the exegesis of the verse because most of these will get explained by the exegesis itself.

To begin with, there does NOT EXIST, ONE SINGLE Muslim in the WHOLE Universe that believes that "Allah has a physical or materialistic existence" as there is a verse in the Quran,

"There is nothing like unto him".

Thus it is Kufr, to compare Allah to something that is materialistic and takes you out of the fold of Islam.

Logically speaking, the necessary being is the only being that is necessary and it can by definition not be necessary if it requires physicality or materiality to exist.

Now, let's go to each of the sources you've mentioned.



‎
‎Quran 68:42
‎
‎(The Day when the Shin shall be laid bare and they shall be called to prostrate themselves, but they shall not be able to do so.)
‎
‎ meaning, the Day of Judgement and the horrors, earthquakes, trials, tests and great matters that will occur during it.
‎
‎Exegesis.
‎
‎
‎Quran 5:64
‎
‎ `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas commented on Allah's statement,
‎
‎وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ
‎
‎(The Jews say, "Allah's Hand is tied up.")
‎
‎ "They do not mean that Allah's Hand is literally tied up. Rather, they mean that He is a miser and does not spend from what He has. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him."
‎
‎(Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends (of His bounty) as He wills.)
‎
‎
‎Meaning
‎
‎ Allah's favors are ample, His bounty unlimited, as He owns the treasures of everything. Any good that reaches His servants is from Him alone, without partners.
‎
‎Exegesis
‎
‎Sunan An Nasa'i 5379
‎
‎"And both of his hands are right hands"
‎
‎As for more than 90% of humans, biologically the right hand is stronger than the left hand, thus this statement is a metaphorical statement that basically says "There is no aspect about Allah that is weak", and not that he literally has "two hands" as there cannot be something that is like, unto him.
‎
‎if he has hands, then they cannot be likened to anything, they are not materialistic - they are not like our hands - they cannot be imagined to be contingent - they are portions of his power that he uses to do something, not literal hands.
‎
‎Sahih Al Bukhari 4848
‎
‎"Till Allah puts his foot over it".
‎
‎This is metaphorical in a way that Allah has a foot but it is not like anything that we can perceive, it exists, it could be something a sign of his power or a portion of power that he uses to do something or to stop something but DEFINITELY NOT LIKE ANYTHING that exists materialistically- OUR FOOT CANNOT be likened to what has been said here.
‎
‎
‎Quran 55:27
‎
‎"Face"
‎
‎According to exegetes, the face means the "being" or existence of Allah, which by necessity has always existed, and always will.
‎
‎Not that he has a "human face" but that he has an "existence" that is ever-living and eternal.
‎
‎Sahih Muslim 2933 a
‎Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
‎
‎There is never a prophet who has not warned the Ummah of that one-eyed liar; behold he is one-eyed and your Lord is not one-eyed. On his forehead are the letters k f. r. (Kafir).
‎
‎This does not say anywhere that Allah has "eyes" or "organs needed to perceive vision", Allah does not depend on anything and by necessity, he does not need organs, "having one eye" would indicate dependence on an organ for full or half vision, which is not an attribute of Allah.
‎
‎Hadith (110 Ahadith Qudsi, Hadith 19, page 30):
‎
‎
‎
‎The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
‎"Glory is Allah’s loin cloth and pride is His cloak. Allah says: He who contends with Me in regard to them, I will torment him."
‎
‎The terms used, "Loin cloth" (izar) and "cloak" (rida’) are metaphorical.
‎
‎In Arab culture, garments like these symbolized one’s dignity or authority.
‎
‎The hadith has said that glory and pride belong solely to Allah, and humans who adopt arrogance or compete in these traits will be punished.
‎
‎How could they be physical, tell me how can you wear "dignity", that is an abstract noun, as a materialistic noun "garment", I can't believe ppl can be this illogical when coming up w arguments hahaha.
‎
‎
‎Also I couldn't find that one hadith related to Ibrahim Al-Selek, so if you could drop that for me, I'll happily see it and tell you.
‎
‎As for the hadith mentioned by Ibn Kathir in 47:22.
‎
‎I cannot find the exact hadith, can you please send me a screenshot or text so I can look at it as well?
‎
‎
‎
Finished, ggs.
‎
‎

 

[muwahhid]

Okay, so to begin with,

I'll clarify some things and then I'll explain each of those sources and it is good that one of your arguments is from the exegesis of the verse because most of these will get explained by the exegesis itself.

To begin with, there does NOT EXIST, ONE SINGLE Muslim in the WHOLE Universe that believes that "Allah has a physical or materialistic existence" as there is a verse in the Quran,

"There is nothing like unto him".

Thus it is Kufr, to compare Allah to something that is materialistic and takes you out of the fold of Islam.

Logically speaking, the necessary being is the only being that is necessary and it can by definition not be necessary if it requires physicality or materiality to exist.

Now, let's go to each of the sources you've mentioned.



‎
‎Quran 68:42
‎
‎(The Day when the Shin shall be laid bare and they shall be called to prostrate themselves, but they shall not be able to do so.)
‎
‎ meaning, the Day of Judgement and the horrors, earthquakes, trials, tests and great matters that will occur during it.
‎
‎Exegesis.
‎
‎
‎Quran 5:64
‎
‎ `Ali bin Abi Talhah reported that Ibn `Abbas commented on Allah's statement,
‎
‎وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ
‎
‎(The Jews say, "Allah's Hand is tied up.")
‎
‎ "They do not mean that Allah's Hand is literally tied up. Rather, they mean that He is a miser and does not spend from what He has. Allah is far holier than what they attribute to Him."
‎
‎(Nay, both His Hands are widely outstretched. He spends (of His bounty) as He wills.)
‎
‎
‎Meaning
‎
‎ Allah's favors are ample, His bounty unlimited, as He owns the treasures of everything. Any good that reaches His servants is from Him alone, without partners.
‎
‎Exegesis
‎
‎Sunan An Nasa'i 5379
‎
‎"And both of his hands are right hands"
‎
‎As for more than 90% of humans, biologically the right hand is stronger than the left hand, thus this statement is a metaphorical statement that basically says "There is no aspect about Allah that is weak", and not that he literally has "two hands" as there cannot be something that is like, unto him.
‎
‎if he has hands, then they cannot be likened to anything, they are not materialistic - they are not like our hands - they cannot be imagined to be contingent - they are portions of his power that he uses to do something, not literal hands.
‎
‎Sahih Al Bukhari 4848
‎
‎"Till Allah puts his foot over it".
‎
‎This is metaphorical in a way that Allah has a foot but it is not like anything that we can perceive, it exists, it could be something a sign of his power or a portion of power that he uses to do something or to stop something but DEFINITELY NOT LIKE ANYTHING that exists materialistically- OUR FOOT CANNOT be likened to what has been said here.
‎
‎
‎Quran 55:27
‎
‎"Face"
‎
‎According to exegetes, the face means the "being" or existence of Allah, which by necessity has always existed, and always will.
‎
‎Not that he has a "human face" but that he has an "existence" that is ever-living and eternal.
‎
‎Sahih Muslim 2933 a
‎Anas b. Malik reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
‎
‎There is never a prophet who has not warned the Ummah of that one-eyed liar; behold he is one-eyed and your Lord is not one-eyed. On his forehead are the letters k f. r. (Kafir).
‎
‎This does not say anywhere that Allah has "eyes" or "organs needed to perceive vision", Allah does not depend on anything and by necessity, he does not need organs, "having one eye" would indicate dependence on an organ for full or half vision, which is not an attribute of Allah.
‎
‎Hadith (110 Ahadith Qudsi, Hadith 19, page 30):
‎
‎
‎
‎The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said:
‎"Glory is Allah’s loin cloth and pride is His cloak. Allah says: He who contends with Me in regard to them, I will torment him."
‎
‎The terms used, "Loin cloth" (izar) and "cloak" (rida’) are metaphorical.
‎
‎In Arab culture, garments like these symbolized one’s dignity or authority.
‎
‎The hadith has said that glory and pride belong solely to Allah, and humans who adopt arrogance or compete in these traits will be punished.
‎
‎How could they be physical, tell me how can you wear "dignity", that is an abstract noun, as a materialistic noun "garment", I can't believe ppl can be this illogical when coming up w arguments hahaha.
‎
‎
‎Also I couldn't find that one hadith related to Ibrahim Al-Selek, so if you could drop that for me, I'll happily see it and tell you.
‎
‎As for the hadith mentioned by Ibn Kathir in 47:22.
‎
‎I cannot find the exact hadith, can you please send me a screenshot or text so I can look at it as well?
‎
‎
‎
Finished, ggs.
‎
‎

no lmao u ashari, the salaf all affirm the attributes literally without delving into modality. allah has hands, but not like those of us, because he clearly stated in the quran that the creator is unalike to the creation.

 

[muwahhid]

no lmao u ashari, the salaf all affirm the attributes literally without delving into modality. allah has hands, but not like those of us, because he clearly stated in the quran that the creator is unalike to the creation.

dont cope and believe in greek philosophy to please the kuffar vro, islam is perfect.

 

[Ogionth]

no lmao u ashari, the salaf all affirm the attributes literally without delving into modality. allah has hands, but not like those of us, because he clearly stated in the quran that the creator is unalike to the creation.

"he has hands, then they cannot be likened to anything, they are not materialistic - they are not like our hands - they cannot be imagined to be contingent - they are portions of his power that he uses to do something, not literal hands"


kill yourself you dumb fucking retard i dont know how the fuck u are so stupid, u fucking absolute bljnd fuck u cant even read texts

 

[Ogionth]

dont cope and believe in greek philosophy to please the kuffar vro, islam is perfect.

Muh greek philosophy, just say you are dumb and retarded .

"please the kuffar" im just answering the truth according to the belief of Sunni scholars, if you cannot provide more info then keep quite and do not bless us with your ignorance.

 

[Ogionth]

dont cope and believe in greek philosophy to please the kuffar vro, islam is perfect.

Just say that you have no idea what logicality is and name it philosophy, like genuinely mate kill yourself you've brouht nothing but ignorance

 

[muwahhid]

"he has hands, then they cannot be likened to anything, they are not materialistic - they are not like our hands - they cannot be imagined to be contingent - they are portions of his power that he uses to do something, not literal hands"


kill yourself you dumb fucking retard i dont know how the fuck u are so stupid, u fucking absolute bljnd fuck u cant even read texts

stfu dumbass nigga, "oh saar its metaphorical saar" mental gymnastics ahh, ur still delving into the modality of what the attributes and making up what feels good to believe about them in "interpretation", borderline kaafir but ur prolly jahil

 

[muwahhid]

Muh greek philosophy, just say you are dumb and retarded .

"please the kuffar" im just answering the truth according to the belief of Sunni scholars, if you cannot provide more info then keep quite and do not bless us with your ignorance.

I think the salaf and clear daleel mog ur "sunni scholars" bro

 

[muwahhid]

Just say that you have no idea what logicality is and name it philosophy, like genuinely mate kill yourself you've brouht nothing but ignorance

Philosophy is what lead to the kufr of niggas like ibn sina and ur gonna turn out like him and say jannah is metaphorical or sum, the quran and sunnah provides its own logic to argue with for us. bro thinks hes "more logical" for making up meanings with no basis in the quran and sunnah

 

[muwahhid]

Just say that you have no idea what logicality is and name it philosophy, like genuinely mate kill yourself you've brouht nothing but ignorance

also what scholars r u even talking ab nigga? ashari deviants who were either kuffar or repentants? all 4 imams were athari LMAOO

 

[Ogionth]

stfu dumbass nigga, "oh saar its metaphorical saar" mental gymnastics ahh, ur still delving into the modality of what the attributes and making up what feels good to believe about them in "interpretation", borderline kaafir but ur prolly jahil

It's metaphorical in a way that it cannot be likened to something.

We cannot say that it's a hand that is a part of Allah and he depends upon it to will something, otherwise that would make him contingent and strip him off his divinity.

"Kaafir"

WALLAHI, on the day of Judgement, I will call you infront of ALLAH and we will see who has spoken the truth about his infinite attribute.

See you soon, you're not a Kafir to me but Inshallah, i'll call you that day.

 

[Ogionth]

Philosophy is what lead to the kufr of niggas like ibn sina and ur gonna turn out like him and say jannah is metaphorical or sum, the quran and sunnah provides its own logic to argue with for us. bro thinks hes "more logical" for making up meanings with no basis in the quran and sunnah

There's a difference between logicality and philosophy, clearly you're ignorant and have never picked up a book in his life.

"With no basis" the sources are given, if the sources are wrong then the Sunni Scholars are wrong.

Good job labelling us all as Kafirs.

In'Sha'Allah, we will talk infront of Allah.

 

[muwahhid]

It's metaphorical in a way that it cannot be likened to something.

We cannot say that it's a hand that is a part of Allah and he depends upon it to will something, otherwise that would make him contingent and strip him off his divinity.

"Kaafir"

WALLAHI, on the day of Judgement, I will call you infront of ALLAH and we will see who has spoken the truth about his infinite attribute.

See you soon, you're not a Kafir to me but Inshallah, i'll call you that day.

Holy retardcel i didnt takfir u, I said "borderline" kaafir cause ur prolly jahil as i said unfortunately may Allah guide u lol

 

[muwahhid]

It's metaphorical in a way that it cannot be likened to something.

We cannot say that it's a hand that is a part of Allah and he depends upon it to will something, otherwise that would make him contingent and strip him off his divinity.

"Kaafir"

WALLAHI, on the day of Judgement, I will call you infront of ALLAH and we will see who has spoken the truth about his infinite attribute.

See you soon, you're not a Kafir to me but Inshallah, i'll call you that day.

Also nigga wym r u saying allah exists without a place and direction or sum? Ur iq exists without a place too vro

 

[Ogionth]

Also nigga wym r u saying allah exists without a place and direction or sum? Ur iq exists without a place too vro

Allah has established himself over the throne

(But he does not need to be over the throne to exist)

My arguments didn't suggest any of this claim you have made against my faith.

Inshallah, I'll call your lies out on Yom Al Qayamah.

 

[muwahhid]

There's a difference between logicality and philosophy, clearly you're ignorant and have never picked up a book in his life.

"With no basis" the sources are given, if the sources are wrong then the Sunni Scholars are wrong.

Good job labelling us all as Kafirs.

In'Sha'Allah, we will talk infront of Allah.

Clearly youve never picked up a book of the salaf lmfao, r u saying all 4 imams and all the salaf and sahaba were retarded too? Ur suddenly the high iq nigga

 

[Ogionth]

Clearly youve never picked up a book of the salaf lmfao, r u saying all 4 imams and all the salaf and sahaba were retarded too? Ur suddenly the high iq nigga

Clearly you didn't read what I wrote and I never said that they're retarded, hopefully Allah forgives you for this statement but that you're misconceptualizing what they meant by philosophy and what I'm arguing with, which is logicality.

 

[muwahhid]

Allah has established himself over the throne

(But he does not need to be over the throne to exist)

My arguments didn't suggest any of this claim you have made against my faith.

Inshallah, I'll call your lies out on Yom Al Qayamah.

U just said Allah cant have a hand when its explicity in the quran and sunnah u manhaj milkshake

 

[ryuken]

Also nigga wym r u saying allah exists without a place and direction or sum? Ur iq exists without a place too vro

asharis say he's not in the universe and he's not outside of the universe cause that would mean that he's inside a place and place is the creation of allah and if you said that allah is the inside of his creation you're a kaffir

same shit goes for directions

ibn taymiyyah refuted their arguments read his books if you can

 

[Ogionth]

U just said Allah cant have a hand when its explicity in the quran and sunnah u manhaj milkshake

Yes, Allah cannot have a hand like us, a hand upon which we are dependent, a hand that we need to do something, a hand that is a part of us.

Allah has a hand, not in the way we have a hand and not in the way, he depends upon it to perform an action.


Keep on strawwmanning what I say, this is like the 3rd time jfl.

Make more assumptions about my faith, also bring random claims out of nowhere.

low IQ retard, lacks basic comprehension and thinks that thinking with logicality is haram and it is philosophy jfl

biological waste on Earth, why haven't you killed yourself yet if you're so dumb that you cannot even comprehend what u read

 

[spongebob]

Ask what happens if you want to leave

I want to know more about Allah.

 

[muwahhid]

Ask what happens if you want to leave

Nothing, if u leave discreetly without publicising it. If publicly, and remaining stubborn after dawah, execution for apostasy. Why would anyone leave islam, the truth, tho, after accepting jannah, thats retarded lmao

 

[Ogionth]

asharis say he's not in the universe and he's not outside of the universe cause that would mean that he's inside a place and place is the creation of allah and if you said that allah is the inside of his creation you're a kaffir

same shit goes for directions

ibn taymiyyah refuted their arguments read his books if you can

Btw I don't even hold this view, he brought it up out of nowhere

He's the epitome of a person who is delved into pseudointellectualism.

Confused logicality with philosophy, cant read basic statements and thinks that "negative definitions" are not definitions of something.

I clearly told him that Allah has a hand that cannot be likened to anything so it being metaphorical meant that we cannot say what attributes it has but WE CAN SAY WHAT IT DOESNT HAVE, meaning we can say about the hand that it cannot be something which Allah depends upon, it cannot be a part of him and yet he thinks i hold a random view.




If i were as dumb as this retard Id have preferred death over life every second that i lived.

 

[muwahhid]

Yes, Allah cannot have a hand like us, a hand upon which we are dependent, a hand that we need to do something, a hand that is a part of us.

Allah has a hand, not in the way we have a hand and not in the way, he depends upon it to perform an action.


Keep on strawwmanning what I say, this is like the 3rd time jfl.

Make more assumptions about my faith, also bring random claims out of nowhere.

low IQ retard, lacks basic comprehension and thinks that thinking with logicality is haram and it is philosophy jfl

biological waste on Earth, why haven't you killed yourself yet if you're so dumb that you cannot even comprehend what u read

Ad hominem ahh nigga, ur still delving into the modality of everything with nothing concrete in the daleel to justify your "metaphorical" interpretations

 

[muwahhid]

Ur idea of logic is making random metaphorical interpretations of the attributes, for example Allah's cloak etc, nowhere does it say its metaphorical nigga, ur philosophising here js to let ur 2iqcel brain know. and thats where the dangers of deviance and kufr stem from. And yes i want death if it means jannah idc ab this dunya lmao, no one should. Cope more with ur higher mind 2000 iq philosopher superiority complex ahh

Btw I don't even hold this view, he brought it up out of nowhere

He's the epitome of a person who is delved into pseudointellectualism.

Confused logicality with philosophy, cant read basic statements and thinks that "negative definitions" are not definitions of something.

I clearly told him that Allah has a hand that cannot be likened to anything so it being metaphorical meant that we cannot say what attributes it has but WE CAN SAY WHAT IT DOESNT HAVE, meaning we can say about the hand that it cannot be something which Allah depends upon, it cannot be a part of him and yet he thinks i hold a random view.




If i were as dumb as this retard Id have preferred death over life every second that i lived.

 

[Ogionth]

Ad hominem ahh nigga, ur still delving into the modality of everything with nothing concrete in the daleel to justify your "metaphorical" interpretations

There's no ad hominems if I'm not ignoring the argument, the argument is different and the insults are diff.

You're so retarded that you don't even know what the literal definition of an ad hominem is JFL.

"Nothing concrete" if only you could read the text.

"Allah has a hand that cannot be likened to anything so it being metaphorical meant that we cannot say what attributes it has but WE CAN SAY WHAT IT DOESNT HAVE, meaning we can say about the hand that it cannot be something which Allah depends upon, it cannot be a part of him, to do a specific action - Allah does not need it."



Im convinced that you're a retarded schizophrenic idiot who thinks he's smart

 

[Ogionth]

Ur idea of logic is making random metaphorical interpretations of the attributes, for example Allah's cloak etc, nowhere does it say its metaphorical nigga, ur philosophising here js to let ur 2iqcel brain know. and thats where the dangers of deviance and kufr stem from.

U absolute shame of a man, read the text first and then bark.

Muh metaphorical interpretations of attributes, just kill yourself

And yes i want death if it means jannah idc ab this dunya lmao, no one should. Cope more with ur higher mind 2000 iq philosopher superiority complex ahh

retard everyone would want death if it meant guaranteed Jannah but if someone was born with the same IQ as you, they'd have probably suicided by now because you're mentally retarded, Allah will probably forgive you since your mind doesnt work properly.

 

[Old Bvll]

You don’t convert you revert. Allah is the Arabic word for God. If you believe in one God you are Muslim.

 

[Ezie]

I want to know more about Allah.

I love islamic culture and the unity among the community but I don't believe anything written in Quran

 

[unowkn]

U absolute shame of a man, read the text first and then bark.

Muh metaphorical interpretations of attributes, just kill yourself

retard everyone would want death if it meant guaranteed Jannah but if someone was born with the same IQ as you, they'd have probably suicided by now because you're mentally retarded, Allah will probably forgive you since your mind doesnt work properly.

These are all just shitcel posts, stop beating ur wife islamboy

 

[Ogionth]

These are all just shitcel posts, stop beating ur wife islamboy

*truecel 5'4*