"Inclusivist" white supremacists STILL don't accept Albanians, Maltese or Turks as "white".

[Eduardo DOV]

to me is about having the white face and being culturally european, who cares about genes lol
they look european to me, even jews do, aesthetically
The question is: are they in favor of Muslim and African immigration or not? That is what matters most.

 

[Nex Gen]

I think the only disqualification for hair color is pure black hair.
No white people have pure black hair.
Dark brown maybe questionable if it’s dark enough to look black in most cases.
But anything between blonde, dirty blonde/light brown and brunette are considered white hair colors.
Blonde is not the only white hair color..
Most Ukrainians are brunette like other Slavs.

The REAL issue here is that the VAST MAJORITY of them have brown eyes, NOT their hair color -- you are WELL aware of this which is why you CONVENIENTLY skipped past it.

 

[Saint Casanova]

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What’s this shit ?

Portuguese are definitely very swarthy, should be red tbh. Northern Italy should be as white as northern Spain.

 

[Olivecel]

The REAL issue here is that the VAST MAJORITY of them have brown eyes, NOT their hair color -- you are WELL aware of this which is why you CONVENIENTLY skipped past it.

1. Any source to confirm that or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
2. White pepple can have brown eyes too, especially hazel. The only disqualification are black eyes.

 

[Saint Casanova]

The REAL issue here is that the VAST MAJORITY of them have brown eyes, NOT their hair color -- you are WELL aware of this which is why you CONVENIENTLY skipped past it.

Because most Europeans, even a lot of northern ones typically have brown eyes.

The bright blue eyes you can see are very rare

 

[Olivecel]

What’s this shit ?

Portuguese are definitely very swarthy, should be red tbh. Northern Italy should be as white as northern Spain.

Southern Spain and Portugal I’ll change eventually.
I made this last year when I didn’t really know shit about Iberians.
I just assumed they were white cause of the racial laws they implemented on the indigenous in LATAM so that was enough for me to assume they must be white.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Southern Spain and Portugal I’ll change eventually.
I made this last year when I didn’t really know shit about Iberians.
I just assumed they were white cause of the racial laws they implemented on the indigenous in LATAM so that was enough for me to assume they must be white.

 

[Olivecel]

What’s this shit ?

Portuguese are definitely very swarthy, should be red tbh. Northern Italy should be as white as northern Spain.

But also white was first coined by the Spaniards to describe themselves in contrast to the indigenous.
If they were brown like them then they wouldn’t have made this classification.

 

[Saint Casanova]

But also white was first coined by the Spaniards to describe themselves in contrast to the indigenous.
If they were brown like them then they wouldn’t have made this classification.

Doesn’t matter what they call themselves. What matters is how they look, whether their features are white, and what their genetics say

 

[Nex Gen]

1. Any source to confirm that or are you just pulling this out of your ass?
2. White pepple can have brown eyes too, especially hazel. The only disqualification are black eyes.

Statistically, only TWENTY FIVE percent of Ukraine has blue eyes, meanwhile Finland has NINETY -- I mean you can LITERALLY just look up ALL this information yourself as well.

 

[Debetro]

No, the VAST MAJORITY of Ukrainians have dark hair and brown eyes -- Belarus and Russia have FAR MORE fair people with colored eyes. And I only put Russia in GREEN because the country is just so MASSIVE that half of it is considered part of Asia -- what everyone considers EUROPEAN Russia as in Moscow and all that, the average person is quite pale with LOTS of colored eyes. As for Finns -- nearly ALL of them have not just pale skin but also fair hair and NINETY PERCENT have blue eyes, they are phenotypically WHITE as fuck.

Ukrainians have more turkic admixture. Their land has always been disputed by many different people. I If Russia was just the northwest part of it, it would be white too imo.

But also white was first coined by the Spaniards to describe themselves in contrast to the indigenous.
If they were brown like them then they wouldn’t have made this classification.

You would be surprised how light spaniards were portrayed in medieval paintings.

 

[Olivecel]

Doesn’t matter what they call themselves. What matters is how they look, whether their features are white, and what their genetics say

They are whiter than Greeks and Italians tho.

 

[Saint Casanova]

They are whiter than Greeks and Italians tho.

Yes they’re whiter than Greeks. Not so sure about Italians especially northern ones.

Portugal is full red. They are the same as Greeks

 

[Debetro]

Yes they’re whiter than Greeks. Not so sure about Italians especially northern ones.

Portugal is full red. They are the same as Greeks

 

[Saint Casanova]

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[Marsiere214]

You must be Italian or Greek smh..


Gypsies have their own group and don’t mix with ethnic Albanians, Romanians, Greeks, etc.


You’ve got it all wrong.
Lebanese do have white admix, but Greeks and southern Italians also have MENA admix. That’s exactly how they plot fairly close genetically and almost meet in the middle, because they both share similar amounts of MENA/European admix.
Why do you think Ashkenazi samples plot alongside southern Italian and Greek samples? It’s because they originate from the Levant, but have mixed with Europeans. So they all share similar amounts of MENA/European admix.

This is the genetic composition of mainland Greeks from Attica:
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Ashkenazi Jew:
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Sicilian:
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Lebanese:
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Commercial dna tests are not legitimate at all they are pseudo tests real genetic studies show the exact opposite so it looks like ur the one who’s cherry picking if at all. Greeks and nenas do share a European admix but Greeks don’t have natufian ancestry and research done by peer reviewed papers by universities show this. The levant admix ur showing is shared by all Europeans. Literally zero mention of natufian.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...ave-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...-mysterious-origins-ancient-greeks-180964314/

https://www.thenationalherald.com/181104/modern-greeks-dna-similar-mycenaeans-minoans-study-finds/

https://www.livescience.com/60027-origins-of-1st-advanced-greek-civilizations.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40791188

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature2331

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718

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Fuck Stormfront. They don’t know shit.
They don’t care about the science. They just pick and choose based on who they like and don’t like.
I used to be a member.
A moderator specifically stated that anybody who is not R1b, R1a or I2, is not white. So by that logic, why are Greeks white if they are mostly J2 and E1b (just like Albanians)??
It’s because they pick and choose. SF is full of contradictive inbreds.
And apparently, neither you or Stormfront can make that decision if there is no “college based study on the Albanian genome”. The only thing we to base off of are the many individual DNA tests of Albanians who all share a similar composition to Greek ones..

Yes there’s Nordicist in stormfront but most are not if Greeks were not white they wouldn’t be there as the forums believe in the 1% drop rule. Yeah and individual tests done by a commercial company is not a valid dna test you can do a simple research on that it’s a simple google research

Because southern Euros are ethnic but always deny it. They’re always trying to get the white-pass.
If they didn’t care so much themselves, nobody else would talk about it.

nah u just have an inferiority complex and ur trying to be white by proxy like it or not but southern European are white and European Lebanese and all the other shitskins are not and are Arabs.

 

[Olivecel]

Commercial dna tests are not legitimate at all they are pseudo tests real genetic studies show the exact opposite so it looks like ur the one who’s cherry picking if at all.

But your random ahh opinion is legitimate?
I mean afterall you literally said there is “no university study on the Albanian genome” (which also is wrong, just so you know).
With that being said, you cannot accurately decide whether or not they are white if you are not particularly aware of any studies done on them.
However there’s a ton of non-commercial studies done by professional geneticists from various universities that I’ll get into for you, some of which do include Albanian samples.

By the way, do you realize how bad you’re contradicting yourself?

Greeks and nenas do share a European admix but Greeks don’t have natufian ancestry and research done by peer reviewed papers by universities show this. The levant admix ur showing is shared by all Europeans. Literally zero mention of natufian.

They have both European and MENA admix* in different variations.

I’ve seen all these studies before.
I’ll go one by one to explain all of your contradictions and misinterpretations.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...ave-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals

Holy fuck now I’m convinced that you’re actually stupid.
This study just explains how modern Greeks are closely related to the ancient ones.
As I said earlier, Greeks were mixed as early as the Bronze Age, and this study literally states that:
This paragraph alone contradicts your “1% theory”,

And this paragraph explains where the Iranian Neolithic and Caucasian HG play a role in the Greek gene pool (as I showed you earlier),

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smar...-mysterious-origins-ancient-greeks-180964314/

And this is the same study holy FUCK you’re actually stupid.

https://www.thenationalherald.com/181104/modern-greeks-dna-similar-mycenaeans-minoans-study-finds/

Same study..

https://www.livescience.com/60027-origins-of-1st-advanced-greek-civilizations.html

Same study..

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40791188

Same study..

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature2331

Yawn.. same study.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature23310

https://www.nature.com/articles/ejhg201718

All this explains is that Greeks were not replaced by Slavs to a significant degree.
This is kinda irrelevant to the argument but I guess it’s your way of coping with any source you can find even if it’s unrelated.
Slavs would’ve actually helped your case anyway, because they are whiter than Greeks.

Yes there’s Nordicist in stormfront but most are not if Greeks were not white they wouldn’t be there as the forums believe in the 1% drop rule.

There’s a ton of mixed opinions on Stormfront. There is no official rule.
Some consider Greeks white, others don’t. Same with Albanians, Sicilians and even Armenians.
Most topics about Greeks are from way back in the early 2000’s, so much of their opinions could change with the production of more recent information despite not being mentioned more recently on the forum.

Yeah and individual tests done by a commercial company is not a valid dna test you can do a simple research on that it’s a simple google research

As I said above , there’s a ton of non-commercial studies done by professional geneticists from various universities. They all include Albanians.
So you can’t cope your way out of these ones..

Iosif Lazaridis, the geneticist from Harvard who did the same study that you just linked:

Shows Albanian samples plot directly alongside mainland Greek samples.

Rodriguez-Valera, from University of Madrid, showing similar results:

Another non-commercial study. This one doesn’t include Albanians but it does show how Greeks share more similar components with Turks, Armenians, Ashkenazi Jews and Levantine groups than they do with northern/western Europeans and Slavs:

nah u just have an inferiority complex and ur trying to be white by proxy like it or not but southern European are white and European Lebanese and all the other shitskins are not and are Arabs.

First of all I’m half Greek.
I’d literally prefer not to be white because I know we’re more unique and greater than that, though the discussion varies person to person.
We’re gray area. So cope (if you’re Greek too).

 

[Marsiere214]

But your random ahh opinion is legitimate?
I mean afterall you literally said there is “no university study on the Albanian genome” (which also is wrong, just so you know).
With that being said, you cannot accurately decide whether or not they are white if you are not particularly aware of any studies done on them.
However there’s a ton of non-commercial studies done by professional geneticists from various universities that I’ll get into for you, some of which do include Albanian samples.

By the way, do you realize how bad you’re contradicting yourself?


They have both European and MENA admix* in different variations.

I’ve seen all these studies before.
I’ll go one by one to explain all of your contradictions and misinterpretations.

Holy fuck now I’m convinced that you’re actually stupid.
This study just explains how modern Greeks are closely related to the ancient ones.
As I said earlier, Greeks were mixed as early as the Bronze Age, and this study literally states that:
This paragraph alone contradicts your “1% theory”,
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how does that contradict anything are u dense or retarded? That does not contradict the 1% theory now I know for a fact ur just a coping ethnic with zero understanding of genes

But your random ahh opinion is legitimate?
I mean afterall you literally said there is “no university study on the Albanian genome” (which also is wrong, just so you know).
With that being said, you cannot accurately decide whether or not they are white if you are not particularly aware of any studies done on them.
However there’s a ton of non-commercial studies done by professional geneticists from various universities that I’ll get into for you, some of which do include Albanian samples.

Mine are legitimate because they are done by accredited universities while ur spaming some gay studies from some commercial company.

But your random ahh opinion is legitimate?
I mean afterall you literally said there is “no university study on the Albanian genome” (which also is wrong, just so you know).
With that being said, you cannot accurately decide whether or not they are white if you are not particularly aware of any studies done on them.
However there’s a ton of non-commercial studies done by professional geneticists from various universities that I’ll get into for you, some of which do include Albanian samples.

By the way, do you realize how bad you’re contradicting yourself?


They have both European and MENA admix* in different variations.


And this paragraph explains where the Iranian Neolithic and Caucasian HG play a role in the Greek gene pool (as I showed you earlier),
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How does that show none white admix u brainlet? That’s literally white dna that’s common amongst all whites. Mirin ur massive rebuttal.

All this explains is that Greeks were not replaced by Slavs to a significant degree.
This is kinda irrelevant to the argument but I guess it’s your way of coping with any source you can find even if it’s unrelated.
Slavs would’ve actually helped your case anyway, because they are whiter than Greeks.


There’s a ton of mixed opinions on Stormfront. There is no official rule.
Some consider Greeks white, others don’t. Same with Albanians, Sicilians and even Armenians.
Most topics about Greeks are from way back in the early 2000’s, so much of their opinions could change with the production of more recent information despite not being mentioned more recently on the forum.


As I said above , there’s a ton of non-commercial studies done by professional geneticists from various universities. They all include Albanians.
So you can’t cope your way out of these ones..

, the geneticist from Harvard who did the same study that you just linked:
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Shows Albanian samples plot directly alongside mainland Greek samples.

Rodriguez-Valera, from University of Madrid, showing similar results:
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Another non-commercial study. This one doesn’t include Albanians but it does show how Greeks share more similar components with Turks, Armenians, Ashkenazi Jews and Levantine groups than they do with northern/western Europeans and Slavs:
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First of all I’m half Greek.
I’d literally prefer not to be white because I know we’re more unique and greater than that, though the discussion varies person to person.
We’re gray area. So cope (if you’re Greek too).

there’s is no genetic research done into Albanians posted into an accredited peer reviewed journal the reason why Albanians are included is because the genecist uses unreliable samples. You’re half Greek and you’ve never lived in Greece so ur prolly some deathnic wishing to be accepted as being white.
Just because u plot to someone it doesn’t mean u don’t have non white admix and just because something originates from the Middle East it doesn’t mean it’s not white. Greeks have white Middle East admix while the menas have bin white admix hence why they look different. Thats to difficult for ur brain to comprehend.
The map ur showing for Rodriguez Varela can’t be found in any accredited scientific/academic journal it’s found on Eupedia mirin ur Eupedia refutation.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

There are types of white supremacists. All of them idiotic and absurd for clutching onto a social construct that is not scientific. But whatever.

The most "inclusivist" site aka Stormfront doesn't regard Maltese or Albanians as "white". This is the same site that bans people who argue Greeks aren't "white". Albanians are almost genetically and physically indistinguishable from mainland Greeks. They use genetic and physical arguments (we know religion plays a part too) to argue that Albanians "aren't white". These arguments apply to the same people (mainland Greeks) who they ban you for questioning their "whiteness". Make it make sense.

As for the Maltese, they probably saw some studies that clustered them with Jews and said "Nope, not white" and then decided it was thus. Wanna tell these guys about Maltese and Southern Italians? I'm sure they'll ban you for questioning the "whiteness" of Southern Italians or equating Southern Italians to Jews (which is what all studies do).

Turks are excluded but not Greeks. Even though Turks are closely related to Greeks and Southern Italians. Genetic distances between Greeks and Turks is substantially smaller than the same between Finns and Swedes. Speaking of Finns (and also Saami), these groups derive >10% of their ancestry from Eastern Eurasia. Why don't you kick Finns out of your "white race"?

This is what happens when you have a retarded ideology based on non-meaningful concepts. Nobody can define what a "white person" is and since admxiture varies between ethnic groups, purity of blood won't cut it.

Yep and I love it because it shows how race is a social construct and yes RELGION plays a role

If Turks and Albanians became Christian overnight the white race would embrace them
As fellow cumskins but we know they won’t ever do that for the reasons you mentioned

Also Maltise because they have a semetic language yep that’s why once again cumskins being retarded as usual.

This is what people mean when they say “race is a social construct” because the line is blurry and every race eventually spills into another race making this arbitrary delineator literally meaningless and false”

It’s funny because Sulla the Roman dictator was known for being strawberry blonde and having blue eyes and blotchy skin, because the Romans usually WERE DARKSKINNED MED PEOPLE so for them it was very unusual and striking and the writers had to constantly bring up Sullas barbarian looks

Fucking white dupremacists on suicide watch

 

[Olivecel]

how does that contradict anything are u dense or retarded? That does not contradict the 1% theory now I know for a fact ur just a coping ethnic with zero understanding of genes

“inherited DNA from people near modern-day Iran”.

The study does not tell us in depth who exactly these people were, so it’s hard to say whether or not they were ‘white’. But based on historic migration patterns in that particular region throughout the Neolithic period -> the Bronze Age, it’s likely these people were Iranian Neolithic Farmers (INF). INF were certainly not white, as they are a major ancestral component of present-day Middle Easterners (especially Iranians, Kurds and Iraqis), who are not white.

Mine are legitimate because they are done by accredited universities while ur spaming some gay studies from some commercial company.

You did not provide any accredited study to describe how Albanians are not white.
It’s just something you’re saying on here..
Again, I agree with you about Albanians. But it’s giga cope to try and include Greeks as whites while simultaneously excluding Albanians when they’re literally equal on all genetic scales, and geographic neighbors with all the same migration patterns throughout history..

How does that show none white admix u brainlet? That’s literally white dna that’s common amongst all whites. Mirin ur massive rebuttal.

Bullshit.
Iranian Neolithic Farmer is not common among any European ethnic group besides Greeks, Bulgarians, Albanians and southern Italians. All who are not white for that reason plus more..

there’s is no genetic research done into Albanians posted into an accredited peer reviewed journal

Then what information do you base your comments about Albanians?
If you don’t know any accredited genetic studies on Albanians supposedly..?

the reason why Albanians are included is because the genecist uses unreliable samples.

Holy cope JFL.
Imagine convincing yourself that you know more than the geneticists.
“b b but you used fake samples”

You’re half Greek and you’ve never lived in Greece so ur prolly some deathnic wishing to be accepted as being white.

I don’t. Fuck you mayocel pussies.

Just because u plot to someone it doesn’t mean u don’t have non white admix

It means they plot nearest to other samples with similar ancestral components.
You stupid fuck.

and just because something originates from the Middle East it doesn’t mean it’s not white.

True. But for the case of Iranian Neolithic Farmer, that is not fucking white.
Otherwise then most of the Middle East today would just be fucking white!

Greeks have white Middle East admix while the menas have bin white admix hence why they look different. Thats to difficult for ur brain to comprehend.

Is it difficult for your brain to comprehend that Iranian NF is not a white component? And neither is Levantine NF because it contains Nafufian origins.

The map ur showing for Rodriguez Varela can’t be found in any accredited scientific/academic journal it’s found on Eupedia mirin ur Eupedia refutation.

But the one done by Lazaridis is. And it shows pretty much the same results for the case of Greeks and Albanians.
There’s no way in coping your way out of this.