ioi's and iod's are such bullshit

[New Poster]

All that matters is what happens when escalate. I've done thousands of approaches at this point and I can say definitively women will not signal if they're down or not before it's on the table. Girls will act like they hate you, and then flip on a dime and vice versa. None of it means anything. Getting iois does not indicate sexual interest. It just indicates friendliness. Iods can mean anything. A lot of girls throw iods when they like you and know they're turned on and sex might happen. These signals are rarely ever good signals. You just have to approach and try to move things forward. Lol at thinking you're ever going to looksmax to a point where women will be straight with you.

 

[asdvek]

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[Epola]

There's some truth to this but they're still meaningful. We can have a little grey area, it doesn't have to be autistically one way or another

 

[j05]

what’s ur job?

 

[Deleted member 25705]

All that matters is what happens when escalate. I've done thousands of approaches at this point and I can say definitively women will not signal if they're down or not before it's on the table. Girls will act like they hate you, and then flip on a dime and vice versa. None of it means anything. Getting iois does not indicate sexual interest. It just indicates friendliness. Iods can mean anything. A lot of girls throw iods when they like you and know they're turned on and sex might happen. These signals are rarely ever good signals. You just have to approach and try to move things forward. Lol at thinking you're ever going to looksmax to a point where women will be straight with you.

That shit word needs an automatic ban.

 

[Deleted member 81422]

IOIs and generally grey areas in life make it that much more interesting.

Type shit

 

[Deleted member 32773]

what’s ur job?

He’s a mechanic is south Mumbai

 

[New Poster]

There's some truth to this but they're still meaningful. We can have a little grey area, it doesn't have to be autistically one way or another

It means something -- just not sexual interest most of the time. Better indications are whether she pulls away or leans in when you escalate, whether she hooks into the conversation easily or seems one foot out the door the whole time, etc. You can tell more when you're pushing the interaction forward and she's reacting to you.

But walking down the street and looking for ioi and iods unprompted is some of the stupidest shit the blackpill has to offer.

 

[XtrovertNTnormalfag]

You will get ioi's in clubs and other social settings (at school, uni, work, activities etc) and woman are often very blatantly obvious when they are REALLY into a guy.
This is what being actually GL gets you:
this is what you'll be experiencing around (hot, average and below average) women of all ages as a gl guy whenever you leave your home (only a minor fraction of my collected experiences so far; most gl guys here will find this to be extremely relatable, others will try their hardest to cope and claim these mean absolutely nothing and are a figment of my imagination):

1. 99% of them will automatically start fixing their hair when they notice you/walk past you (this usually means nothing, but if it happens ALL the time, the reason for such subconscious reaction is obvious)
2. you'll often catch them freeze and stare at you in disbelief from a distance (borderline creepy)
3. you'll also often notice them getting into that alleviated, super alert state of being, looking like they are facing a life-threatening danger
4. they will start small talk with you in random public places, trying to get you engaged in the convo and hoping it would lead to arranging a date/hanging out of any kind
5. when communicating with you, they'll immediately make sex, looks and your relationship status the main topic of the conversation
6. they'll use higher-pitched voice and try to come off as submissive and vulnerable; don't even have to mention dilated pupils
7. they'll openly ask you about your plans for the evening/weekend even if they just met you
8. they'll ask you random banal questions about random, irrelevant stuff even though it's blatantly obvious they already know the answer
9. they'll become very touchy around you, using every opportunity to lean on you or touch your waist or arms
10. direct compliments about your looks, of course
11. implying you must have endless options when it comes to sex/LTR options
12. spontaneously positioning themselves as close to you as possible
13. they'll enter your dorm room through your window (when your room is on the first floor/accessible that way) at 5 AM and straight get into your bed, gluing themselves next to you and trying to wake you up while caressing your neck, face and certain other body parts
14. they'll leave papers with their phone numbers and cute messages in your studying materials if you find yourself in the same library/study room with them
15. they'll invite you to do just about anything with them without any hesitation
16. they'll compliment you on virtues and skills you don't even really possess
17. they'll make all kinds of excuses to get you to touch them, including asking you to fix their clothes or remove something from their necks
18. when walking past you with a group of friends, they'll slow down and get behind them so they can eyefuck you when you cross paths without their jealous friends noticing (they usually do notice and get fucking triggered, lmfao)
19. they'll literally state they want to, for example, study with you after classes or ask you to help them understand something even though they are top students
20. you'll hear them comment on your looks with their female friends when they walk past you all the time, hoping you'll hear it and act on it some time later or immediately
21. blushing and failing to contain smiles when around you, of course
22. insisting on establishing and maintaining an intense eye-contact (the type that gets subhuman men into trouble when they attempt the same)
23. they'll have no problem telling you that you have a strong sexual aura/appeal and asking you if women often rub their bodies with yours in public transport or in public in general
24. regarding older women such as professors, they'll keep insisting on communicating with you during classes despite the group consisting on 80+ people, to the point where it becomes awkward considering the amount of people present
25. those same older women will not hesitate in touching or even massaging you in rooms full of students, professors or other types of people for extended periods of time (legit caged when this happened to me)
26. they (girls, women) will often give you free stuff and offering to do you a favor without you asking for it
27. they'll often already know who you are and a lot of stuff about you despite never having officially met you before
28. they'll ask your female friends if you were available and ask them for your phone number
29. they'll be very persistent in maintaining communication with you (both irl and via apps) despite you making it pretty clear that you don't care about them at all
30. they'll start telling you about themselves in random public places even though you barely registered their existence
31. they'll try to invite themselves to your place, often implying they are good at sex and giving head (quite a turn off for me, tbh)
32. they'll assume you are taller than you really are
33. they'll completely lose their composure in all imaginable ways when around you
34. related to 30., they'll share their private stuff with you without you even asking
35. looking directly at you when you are in a large group of people and everyone starts laughing for some reason
36. they'll usually never have a reserved body language around you (there are some minor exceptions to this, but i can't bother expanding on underlying reasons for such behavior)
37. they'll openly ask you to comment on their (sexual) body parts
38. they''ll openly ask you about your ideals when it comes to women's looks and sexual preferences and fetishes
39. they'll be extremely forgiving of your mistakes, rude comments or sperg outs of any kind
40. you'll often find out they have been heavily complimenting just about everything about you to other people
41. they'll be extremely interested in your hobbies and passions, no matter how boring or nerdy they might be
42. they'll want to watch you play sports with your friends
43. they'll often suggest/initiate meetings you without any socially acceptable reason for doing that
44. they'll start giggling and pinching their female friends as they walk past you
45. if you've been around them for a while (same study group, uni campus wing etc), but without initiating contact, it will be a matter of time before they start making silent comments (very sensual/sexual, high-pitched-voiced "hi" or "hello, boy", for example) when they get tired of you ignoring them
46. they'll cringe hard at other guys trying to compare or compete with you in any way
47. milfs will often insist on putting food in your mouth during business lunches (just lol at this one, happened more than 5 times to me with different women already)

This what actually looking like a god gets you

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[enchanted_elixir]

Getting iois does not indicate sexual interest. It just indicates friendliness. Iods can mean anything.

if you're good, you can usually detect IOIs and seperate them from friendliness.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

woman are often very blatantly obvious when they are REALLY into a guy.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

All that matters is what happens when escalate. I've done thousands of approaches at this point and I can say definitively women will not signal if they're down or not before it's on the table. Girls will act like they hate you, and then flip on a dime and vice versa. None of it means anything. Getting iois does not indicate sexual interest. It just indicates friendliness. Iods can mean anything. A lot of girls throw iods when they like you and know they're turned on and sex might happen. These signals are rarely ever good signals. You just have to approach and try to move things forward. Lol at thinking you're ever going to looksmax to a point where women will be straight with you.

Does this imply that dudes may have secret admirers and they will pretend like they don't like him (fear of getting caught ot making it obvious)

 

[Whatever]

Some are just “you’re nice too look at”, some are legit opportunities for sex, and plenty in between. It depends on the context.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

My rule of thumb.
She doesn't like you unless...

1. She blatantly tells you or demonstrates she likes you
2. There's too much evidence supporting the belief that she likes you.

You can't be embarrassed if this is how you're doing it.

 

[Deleted member 48024]

the only IOI that isn't cope is if she asks for your number or snap, because that atleast shows some interest

 

[Deleted member 89153]

the only IOI that isn't cope is if she asks for your number or snap, because that atleast shows some interest

This. But it's not an ioi it's an approach

 

[Deleted member 68587]

It means something -- just not sexual interest most of the time. Better indications are whether she pulls away or leans in when you escalate, whether she hooks into the conversation easily or seems one foot out the door the whole time, etc. You can tell more when you're pushing the interaction forward and she's reacting to you.

But walking down the street and looking for ioi and iods unprompted is some of the stupidest shit the blackpill has to offer.

Yeah but in your YT vids didn’t you say to look for IOIs before approaching? Did you change your mind on this now

 

[New Poster]

Yeah but in your YT vids didn’t you say to look for IOIs before approaching? Did you change your mind on this now

I said that you should show interest with eye contact and proximity. Then, you can see how she reacts. That actually means something. When the girl knows you're interested and trying to fuck, then her behavior starts to matter. But just minding your own business and expecting girls to indicate whether they're dtf or not is beyond stupid. A casual glance or smile could mean a million things if she doesn't know you're trying to fuck. The whole idea of unprompted ioi's and iod's is pretty fucking dumb.

 

[Deleted member 68587]

I said that you should show interest with eye contact and proximity. Then, you can see how she reacts. That actually means something. When the girl knows you're interested and trying to fuck, then her behavior starts to matter. But just minding your own business and expecting girls to indicate whether they're dtf or not is beyond stupid. A casual glance or smile could mean a million things if she doesn't know you're trying to fuck. The whole idea of unprompted ioi's and iod's is pretty fucking dumb.

Yeah but I feel what you’re saying only works well at a bar, club, or house party. What if I’m approaching women at the park, grocery store, or uni? Harder to scan for IOIs there.

 

[New Poster]

Yeah but I feel what you’re saying only works well at a bar, club, or house party. What if I’m approaching women at the park, grocery store, or uni? Harder to scan for IOIs there.

It works better at grocery stores and uni because it stands out more. It’s pretty aggressive to glare down a bitch in the produce aisle. How she reacts to that tells you a lot.

 

[Deleted member 104030]

makes sense

i used to get a lot of "iois" like smiles of girls, double takes, long eye contact, approaches etc despite looking a lot younger and worse objectively and now i rarely get that

its all about looking approachable

 

[piec]

cope nigger

 

[New Poster]

makes sense

i used to get a lot of "iois" like smiles of girls, double takes, long eye contact, approaches etc despite looking a lot younger and worse objectively and now i rarely get that

its all about looking approachable

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