Yes ok so then you cant say abortion is bad because its a sinWell not exactly u swe we are all sinners by nature (if we were truly sinless we would be on same level as Jesus which none of us could) thats why every time u sin, u just have to ask for forgiveness (by buying sincere obviously) and u will be forgiven THATS HOW MUCH GOD LOVES US
Stfu just say u are irresponsible and a complete whore then nigga
Yes if the child is healthy then i guess in some cases it would be better to not abort but i feel like its less likely for the child to be healthy with a mentally unstable or traumatised mother
just letting you know you sound dumb asl by just insulting me after not knowing what to say in an online debate
It is not okay to sin, and having sinned ourselves doesn't make further sin any more of an issue. This is a false dichotomy fallacy, that it is either no sin or all sin, and not that we should have morals grounded in religious truth and even if we mess up we should repent and improve. I can show you this simply and elegantly, if I say so myself. Imagine 2 partners in crime, both are serial killers. After 10 kills, they pack it up. Now, one goes home and calls it a night. The other goes ahead and kills 10 more people. Assuming all else equal (hence why I said they worked together to kill the first 10), would you be willing to say that one of these people is worse? There is no point at which we have done so much bad we cannot get worse, so we should cease in our badness and repent.
*King of my graping victim list, the graper and the first men I will grape
You make a good point but im not saying no sin or all sin, we should try to avoid sinning as much as possible but theres times where it is inevitable hence why it is in our nature to sin its simply something that is literally impossible to avoid
If you were raped or have health serious health problems then yes,it's okay
Valid point
Same guy who was talking about abortion being a sin to say that its bad is now openly saying he will commit a major sin
Let's be clear here - this isn't a moral judgement or a trap - are you suggesting that you believe it would be better to kill the child than to keep it alive if the woman decides she doesn't want it; that murder is okay in some cases if it has a perceived potential relief from suffering for the subject? If so, I personally do find that a rather morally poor position but I can respect it, we have followed the same logic towards the same goal but arrived at different conclusions because of different values. I could make arguments against it, a reductio ad absurdum would do quite a number and I could make more pragmatic arguments with statistics, even we could ponder the value of life. But if you would be steadfast despite these things and simply value things differently, we would have to agree to disagree and walk away honourably knowing we just have a different lens of the world, trusting each other that if our values were to change we would maintain our integrity and take up a new position from our same logic.
Thanks for acknowledging my point in good faith, you have been good to debate with. Based on the stats I provided earlier making a pragmatic argument, if elective abortions were lowered we should expect the total number of abortions to drop all else being equal. Would banning elective abortion not then lead us to avoid this sin, thus showing it is not inevitable or impossible to avoid? I could also read it as sin itself being inevitable, but find this irrelevant as I explained before, the lesser of two evils idea. To avoid sinning as much as possible, this looks to me as a necessary step. I don't expect everyone to hold to a Christian framework, but do you agree that if we do then it is only internally consistent to be an abolitionist?
Yes pretty much but happy to have a proper debate with someone
Lowk still thinking of how to answer this good question
Yeah I guess youre correct on that but I still feel like theres always an exception
fr why are they trying to act like saints nowlittterally, mf will post about raping a woman then act all high and righteous and say abortion is bad
Agreedfr why are they trying to act like saints now
but actually preventing abortion isn't even the moral high ground, the baby will life a hellish life filled w suffering if they get put in the foster care system or end up being raised by their druggie mother
they dont take a second to think deeper about the quality of the babies life and these are the same people complaining why their parents had them if their genetics were bad
yeah, and the whole religious aspect makes no sense BECAUSE ITS NOT FUCKING REALfr why are they trying to act like saints now
but actually preventing abortion isn't even the moral high ground, the baby will life a hellish life filled w suffering if they get put in the foster care system or end up being raised by their druggie mother
they dont take a second to think deeper about the quality of the babies life and these are the same people complaining why their parents had them if their genetics were bad or if they were poor blahblah
I don't expect you to have an answer to this exactly since its not your moral framework. I think if you look at is as a justified killing and I look at it as an unjustified killing, we are both being reasonable and I would have to try to win over your morality, which is a bit of a tall task but I can do it if you give me enough time I suppose. I would make a new thread for that, probably not right now though since I have an assignment due tomorrow and I'm procrastinating debating with people online
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Sounds cool bro and I'll vote for youI don't expect you to have an answer to this exactly since its not your moral framework. I think if you look at is as a justified killing and I look at it as an unjustified killing, we are both being reasonable and I would have to try to win over your morality, which is a bit of a tall task but I can do it if you give me enough time I suppose. I would make a new thread for that, probably not right now though since I have an assignment due tomorrow and I'm procrastinating debating with people online
If you think we had a good debate and I was reasonable to engage with, I'd appreciate if you voted me for graycel of the month? I don't really know why I want to win but its a bit of fun and I feel like I can count on your vote: Graycel of the month. If you ever have more arguments I still have my best arguments up my sleeve, only pull them out when necessary since most people are too stupid to even follow the logic (not that the arguments are some ridiculous shit you need to be a genius to understand, but more that it requires a good understand of logical proof since I would have to explain each thing before continuing, normies don't know what a Bayesian probability is or anything let alone how to show rigorous proof).
If you PM me I'd be glad to talk to you about really anything since you seem like a cool guy.
