Is achieving LTR harder than ONS?

[HollowCheek]

Since I started looksmaxxing I can get an one night stand in the club, tinder or bar - BP works. But with relationships its whole new level. I can get only ltb gf eventhough I sleep with Htb - stacylite girls on ONS.

I always thought that ONS are harder to get and relationships are easier but now I changed my mind. All I have to do for ONS is go to a club or chat with a girl from tinder for few days.

All “relationships” which i tried to start ended up after few weeks due to “I dont want a relationship now” and it left me completely broken (already happened to me 10 times)

I am confused now. Which one is harder for majority? Cuz I see many ugly guys with HTB girls and I am fcking sure that these guys do not slay at clubs/tinder etc so what the fck is this trend

 

[FutureSlayer]

Since I started looksmaxxing I can get an one night stand in the club, tinder or bar - BP works. But with relationships its whole new level. I can get only ltb gf eventhough I sleep with Htb - stacylite girls on ONS.

I always thought that ONS are harder to get and relationships are easier but now I changed my mind. All I have to do for ONS is go to a club or chat with a girl from tinder for few days.

All “relationships” which i tried to start ended up after few weeks due to “I dont want a relationship now” and it left me completely broken (already happened to me 10 times)

I am confused now. Which one is harder for majority? Cuz I see many ugly guys with HTB girls and I am fcking sure that these guys do not slay at clubs/tinder etc so what the fck is this trend

a ltr with a god fearing girl is harder in 2023

 

[HollowCheek]

a ltr with a god fearing girl is harder in 2023

respect for de poot

 

[Deleted member 18582]

yes

 

[Deleted member 18582]

respect for de poot

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[FutureSlayer]

i love italy

thanks bhai

 

[Xangsane]

Since I started looksmaxxing I can get an one night stand in the club, tinder or bar - BP works. But with relationships its whole new level. I can get only ltb gf eventhough I sleep with Htb - stacylite girls on ONS.

I always thought that ONS are harder to get and relationships are easier but now I changed my mind. All I have to do for ONS is go to a club or chat with a girl from tinder for few days.

All “relationships” which i tried to start ended up after few weeks due to “I dont want a relationship now” and it left me completely broken (already happened to me 10 times)

I am confused now. Which one is harder for majority? Cuz I see many ugly guys with HTB girls and I am fcking sure that these guys do not slay at clubs/tinder etc so what the fck is this trend

what's your looks level?

 

[Sens]

I can get only ltb gf eventhough I sleep with Htb - stacylite girls on ONS.

 

[HollowCheek]

what's your looks level?

Htn I would say (tinder results and rated), chadlite if i fix the jawline

 

[Xangsane]

Htn I would say (tinder results and rated), chadlite if i fix the jawline

do you think foids are hostile towards you and are insecure?

Why are women becoming more hostile towards GL men (strong HTN and above)?

I've observed plenty of women (on dating apps, on Instagram, on TikTok, on "Are We Dating The Same Guy" groups our family infiltrated, and IRL) of ALL looks levels, including white Stacies, assume the worst of the worst of GL men (men who are a strong HTN or above). I've been on the receiving...

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[RoyaleWithCheese]

Much harder from my experience.

 

[HollowCheek]

do you think foids are hostile towards you and are insecure?

Why are women becoming more hostile towards GL men (strong HTN and above)?

I've observed plenty of women (on dating apps, on Instagram, on TikTok, on "Are We Dating The Same Guy" groups our family infiltrated, and IRL) of ALL looks levels, including white Stacies, assume the worst of the worst of GL men (men who are a strong HTN or above). I've been on the receiving...

looksmax.org

Honestly I can feel that they start hating me after talking to me for few weeks. Not a friendzone or rejection, just pure hate. I’ve also never been in a friendzone with a girl I wanted. They just ghost and then talk shits afterwards eventhough I just wanted to get to know them

 

[Xangsane]

Honestly I can feel that they start hating me after talking to me for few weeks. Not a friendzone or rejection, just pure hate. I’ve also never been in a friendzone with a girl I wanted. They just ghost and then talk shits afterwards eventhough I just wanted to get to know them

I think women believe the uglier the man the more likely he is to commit, and they believe the more attractive the man the less likely he is to commit, so they seek oofies for LTRs and GL men for hookups even if the GL men want LTRs.

 

[Xangsane]

Honestly I can feel that they start hating me after talking to me for few weeks. Not a friendzone or rejection, just pure hate. I’ve also never been in a friendzone with a girl I wanted. They just ghost and then talk shits afterwards eventhough I just wanted to get to know them

I think women believe the uglier the man the more likely he is to commit, and they believe the more attractive the man the less likely he is to commit, so they seek oofies for LTRs and GL men for hookups even if the GL men want LTRs.

A couple of foids thought I was a fuckboy when I wanted to help them lift boxes to their room even though I was KHHV (and my body count is 1 at the moment - the girl broke my heart and cheated).

 

[HollowCheek]

I think women believe the uglier the man the more likely he is to commit, and they believe the more attractive the man the less likely he is to commit, so they seek oofies for LTRs and GL men for hookups even if the GL men want LTRs.

I think the same but honestly I feel something about NTpill aswell, cuz I am def not 100% nt

 

[Xangsane]

I think the same but honestly I feel something about NTpill aswell, cuz I am def not 100% nt

neither am I but I'm in an LTR through friends.

 

[HollowCheek]

A couple of foids thought I was a fuckboy when I wanted to help them lift boxes to their room even though I was KHHV (and my body count is 1 at the moment - the girl broke my heart and cheated).

LITERALLY. One girl at party started hating me after I just bring her a water. Then, after she got drunk she told me “I know guys like you, they threat women like shits.”

 

[HollowCheek]

neither am I but I'm in an LTR through friends.

Well my friends are all KHHV but they are not even blackpilled, they just play games and cry that they have no “rizz”

 

[Xangsane]

LITERALLY. One girl at party started hating me after I just bring her a water. Then, after she got drunk she told me “I know guys like you, they threat women like shits.”

JFL I'M NOT KIDDING ANOTHER FOID TOLD ME IN FRONT OF MY FACE I LOOK LIKE A PLAYER EVEN THOUGH I WAS KHHV.
WOMEN REALLY BELIEVE THAT GL MEN ARE FUCKBOYS WITH HIGH BODY COUNTS AND WOULD NEVER COMMIT BUT I REALLY (I'm a chadlite, rated) I'VE ALWAYS WANTED COMMITMENT AND MARRIAGE.

Jesus Christ why do some women have to be bitter and assuming? It reeks of insecurity.

 

[Xangsane]

Well my friends are all KHHV but they are not even blackpilled, they just play games and cry that they have no “rizz”

looks levels?

 

[GabachoCopium]

Skill issue

 

[HollowCheek]

looks levels?

Honestly subs

JFL I'M NOT KIDDING ANOTHER FOID TOLD ME IN FRONT OF MY FACE I LOOK LIKE A PLAYER EVEN THOUGH I WAS KHHV.
WOMEN REALLY BELIEVE THAT GL MEN ARE FUCKBOYS WITH HIGH BODY COUNTS AND WOULD NEVER COMMIT BUT I REALLY (I'm a chadlite, rated) I'VE ALWAYS WANTED COMMITMENT AND MARRIAGE.

Jesus Christ why do some women have to be bitter and assuming? It reeks of insecurity.

on the other hand I know plenty of guys who are hot (chadlite+) and they have been in many relationships and they also played, broke many girls and keep getting ons AND ltrs

 

[HollowCheek]

Skill issue

Skill in the world where its looks? jfl at you bro

 

[GabachoCopium]

Skill in the world where its looks? jfl at you bro

I didn’t even read your thread just the title

 

[Xangsane]

Honestly subs

sub 5?

on the other hand I know plenty of guys who are hot (chadlite+) and they have been in many relationships and they also played, broke many girls and keep getting ons AND ltrs

They played with women's hearts? Can you elab please? They had no intention to settle with them?

 

[HollowCheek]

sub 5?

They played with women's hearts? Can you elab please? They had no intention to settle with them?

Some of them played some of them no, my point is that some hot guys have no problems in settling down you know. Like average chadlite guy at 18 has like 10 body count 2 ltrs

And yes sub5s

 

[Xangsane]

Some of them played some of them no, my point is that some hot guys have no problems in settling down you know. Like average chadlite guy at 18 has like 10 body count 2 ltrs

holy shit that's an awful lot. I've been rated chadlite and my body count at 18 was 0 JFL. I lost my virginity at 23, and my body count is 1 at 25.

 

[HollowCheek]

holy shit that's an awful lot. I've been rated chadlite and my body count at 18 was 0 JFL. I lost my virginity at 23, and my body count is 1 at 25.

I thought I am the oldest on here (19) lol

anyway pm me rather please

 

[antsosa]

JFL I'M NOT KIDDING ANOTHER FOID TOLD ME IN FRONT OF MY FACE I LOOK LIKE A PLAYER EVEN THOUGH I WAS KHHV.
WOMEN REALLY BELIEVE THAT GL MEN ARE FUCKBOYS WITH HIGH BODY COUNTS AND WOULD NEVER COMMIT BUT I REALLY (I'm a chadlite, rated) I'VE ALWAYS WANTED COMMITMENT AND MARRIAGE.

Jesus Christ why do some women have to be bitter and assuming? It reeks of insecurity.

one of my closest friends is a 6'5 buff black tyrone and hes a KHHV at 22 looking for true LTR material. everyone is shocked when they learn lol

 

[Xangsane]

one of my closest friends is a 6'5 buff black tyrone and hes a KHHV at 22 looking for true LTR material. everyone is shocked when they learn lol

JFL the girls were being bitterly skeptical?

 

[antsosa]

JFL the girls were being bitterly skeptical?

havent seen girls react to learning this but my friend is an odd case. in college he knew a lot of people. but he's pretty shy, very soft-spoken and reserved. hes very halal too, no drinking + vegan. very wholesome guy in an otherwise brutish thug looking body that can smash anyone to pieces.

He recently started talking to a girl but she ghosted him, I have no clue why. and he gets catcalled when going out on runs. I have zero idea why he doesn't slay. he's the living, breathing symbol of the NT be non high-inhib pill

 

[Xangsane]

havent seen girls react to learning this but my friend is an odd case. in college he knew a lot of people. but he's pretty shy, very soft-spoken and reserved. hes very halal too, no drinking + vegan. very wholesome guy in an otherwise brutish thug looking body that can smash anyone to pieces.

He recently started talking to a girl but she ghosted him, I have no clue why. and he gets catcalled when going out on runs. I have zero idea why he doesn't slay. he's the living, breathing symbol of the NT be non high-inhib pill

Is he also a Muslim?

 

[antsosa]

Is he also a Muslim?

nope hes just a moral, wholesome guy. it always makes me laugh cause you would never ever expect someone who looks like him to be such a way

 

[Xangsane]

nope hes just a moral, wholesome guy. it always makes me laugh cause you would never ever expect someone who looks like him to be such a way

Women should stop judging men like the front cover of a book. Why do they assume all GL men are evil pump and dumpers?

 

[zainab]

Since I started looksmaxxing I can get an one night stand in the club, tinder or bar - BP works. But with relationships its whole new level. I can get only ltb gf eventhough I sleep with Htb - stacylite girls on ONS.

I always thought that ONS are harder to get and relationships are easier but now I changed my mind. All I have to do for ONS is go to a club or chat with a girl from tinder for few days.

All “relationships” which i tried to start ended up after few weeks due to “I dont want a relationship now” and it left me completely broken (already happened to me 10 times)

I am confused now. Which one is harder for majority? Cuz I see many ugly guys with HTB girls and I am fcking sure that these guys do not slay at clubs/tinder etc so what the fck is this trend

It’s not, finding a girl worth ltr-ing is. Them refusing a relationship means you are either good looking but autistic, low status or give too much fuckboy vibes. Also why would want a ltr if you can get easy ons?

 

[Xangsane]

It’s not, finding a girl worth ltr-ing is. Them refusing a relationship means you are either good looking but autistic, low status or give too much fuckboy vibes. Also why would want a ltr if you can get easy ons?

LTRs are more meaningful

 

[bradpittshairline]

in my experience girls approach me but they always want LTR so i have to walk away i got the opposite problem bro

 

[Xangsane]

in my experience girls approach me but they always want LTR so i have to walk away i got the opposite problem bro

What's wrong with ltr

 

[HollowCheek]

in my experience girls approach me but they always want LTR so i have to walk away i got the opposite problem bro

Not possible imo that they want LTR instantly. Not a single person would want a long term with someone immedietly after seeing them no matter how good looking are you.

If they approach you they want to get to know you AND they see ltr potential in you. But during the talking stage before LTR you can fuck them many times.

I am 100% sure that no girl would walk up to you on the street asking you “wanna be my bf?” they would rather ask “can I get your number?” or something like that. And this is the start of talking stage.

Its also possible that they tell you “no sex beforw commit” (happened to me) but its a small percentile of girls

 

[bradpittshairline]

Not possible imo that they want LTR instantly. Not a single person would want a long term with someone immedietly after seeing them no matter how good looking are you.

If they approach you they want to get to know you AND they see ltr potential in you. But during the talking stage before LTR you can fuck them many times.

I am 100% sure that no girl would walk up to you on the street asking you “wanna be my bf?” they would rather ask “can I get your number?” or something like that. And this is the start of talking stage.

Its also possible that they tell you “no sex beforw commit” (happened to me) but its a small percentile of girls

Well yeah that and the last line too

 

[bradpittshairline]

What's wrong with ltr

only want ltr with a baddie (10/10 in my eyes) cuz i dont cheat

 

[HollowCheek]

only want ltr with a baddie (10/10 in my eyes) cuz i dont cheat

+1 but they are incredibly hard to find and incredibly hard to chain them in ltr because they get constant attanetion from other men.

I was on a date with a girl who was like 8/10 psl + pretty body and she was literally approached on the street right in front of me

 

[youth]

Since I started looksmaxxing I can get an one night stand in the club, tinder or bar - BP works. But with relationships its whole new level. I can get only ltb gf eventhough I sleep with Htb - stacylite girls on ONS.

I always thought that ONS are harder to get and relationships are easier but now I changed my mind. All I have to do for ONS is go to a club or chat with a girl from tinder for few days.

All “relationships” which i tried to start ended up after few weeks due to “I dont want a relationship now” and it left me completely broken (already happened to me 10 times)

I am confused now. Which one is harder for majority? Cuz I see many ugly guys with HTB girls and I am fcking sure that these guys do not slay at clubs/tinder etc so what the fck is this trend

I'm in a similar position, but I refuse to do ONS due to my values. After my ex, I've given myself the benefit of the doubt that I will find another girl to be in a LTR with, but it is to no avail.

It's been lonely as shit due to my higher standards for personality + the fact that I want HTB+ (or someone 'attractive' at least). And the few times when I actually liked the girl, she didn't want me back. I can feel the lack of intimacy making me more depressed by the day.

Has ONSs fulfilled you? In my eyes, fucking random girls will only deepen my desire to be in a loving relationship and I'd continue to be miserable. But I am also horny as shit now, it's been a whole year. Not sure what path to take.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Yeah I know subhumans with ons but rarely get quality ltr