Is God real? Need help

[itzxcolin]

The concepts of "hell" and 'heaven" seem cliche to me and wishful thinking. But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

The chance of you being born is also 1 in 400,000,000,000,000 which is too crazy to be a coincidence.

I know we will most likely never be able to prove or disprove God's existence.

What does everyone think?

 

[Debetro]

Stop mentally masturbating

 

[Deleted member 30884]

The concepts of "hell" and 'heaven" seem cliche to me and wishful thinking. But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

The chance of you being born is also 1 in 400,000,000,000,000 which is too crazy to be a coincidence.

I know we will most likely never be able to prove or disprove God's existence.

What does everyone think?

There is a God. The God is me. Worship me. Adore me.

Stop mentally masturbating

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Gods existance is proved by simple logic

Obviously there has to be someone that designed the universe and the laws in it.

How can something come from nothing

 

[itzxcolin]

Gods existance is proved by simple logic

Obviously there has to be someone that designed the universe and the laws in it.

How can something come from nothing

Agree. Just not sure what religion to follow. A lot of the “rules” seem made up and designed by humans.

 

[thenewhebbe]

The concepts of "hell" and 'heaven" seem cliche to me and wishful thinking. But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

You wouldnt exist if tjat wasent the case and by looking at most planet it just seem like luck.

 

[HerpDerpson]

Gods existance is proved by simple logic

Obviously there has to be someone that designed the universe and the laws in it.

How can something come from nothing

It doesn't have to be a man made idea like God (of course, that idea might even be true too). Maybe Moon and Sun had sex and birthed the Earth.
Also you seemed to be caught up on the idea that cosmos exists, which might be completely made up.

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Agree. Just not sure what religion to follow. A lot of the “rules” seem made up and designed by humans.

Islam is the only religion afaik that says their religion isnt backed by blind faith but by proof through the prophecies and no contradicitions of the Quran so im currently reading it

 

[Deleted member 21403]

It doesn't have to be a man made idea like God (of course, that idea might even be true too). Maybe Moon and Sun had sex and birthed the Earth.
Also you seemed to be caught up on the idea that cosmos exists, which might be completely made up.

Well nothing within the universe can be god because somethig had to have created the universe. So moon and sun cant be god

COsmos =universe how is it made up

 

[Deleted member 14693]

But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

Isn't the universe infinitie. If thats the case it was literally BOUND to happen.

 

[Deleted member 30959]

Islam is the only religion afaik that says their religion isnt backed by blind faith but by proof through the prophecies and no contradicitions of the Quran so im currently reading it

POV allah waiting 600 years to tell people jesus didnt die on the cross

 

[Deleted member 14693]

How can something come from nothing

But god can come from nothing?

 

[GabachoCopium]

Gods existance is proved by simple logic

Obviously there has to be someone that designed the universe and the laws in it.

How can something come from nothing

Who created god did he just pop up outta nowhere

 

[Deleted member 21403]

But god can come from nothing?

God is by defintion eternal so he didnt even come per se

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Who created god did he just pop up outta nowhere

GOd by definition has to be eternal so he cant just pop up

 

[Deleted member 14693]

God is by defintion eternal so he didnt even come per se

And their is no possibility that the energy of the world is just eternal and created everything by chance.

If god can be eternal this all can be to.

You just assume that nothing can come from nothing (even though you literally say that god always was there)

 

[Deleted member 21403]

And their is no possibility that the energy of the world is just eternal and created everything by chance.

If god can be eternal this all can be to.

You just assume that nothing can come from nothing (even though you literally say that god always was there)

THe universe is not eternal we can already estimate how old it is, it had a beginning. Anytjing in it like energy is also not eternal

Something created the universe that has to be outside the scope of time which means it is eternal. Humans call him god

 

[ongongfr]

The concepts of "hell" and 'heaven" seem cliche to me and wishful thinking. But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

The chance of you being born is also 1 in 400,000,000,000,000 which is too crazy to be a coincidence.

I know we will most likely never be able to prove or disprove God's existence.

What does everyone think?

maybe, maybe not. even if he does, theres nothing saying thats its gonna be the christian god or any religons god, god could be evil or good. maybe when we die god puts all us in a eternity of hell and pain and religion is something he came up with to create false hope cuz hes evil. we dont know

 

[Squirtoutmabooty]

Yes but he only made whites

 

[ongongfr]

Agree. Just not sure what religion to follow. A lot of the “rules” seem made up and designed by humans.

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[optimisticzoomer]

How can something come from nothing

God search. What did god come from if not nothing? Why is the universe any different?

 

[TDTaykurso]

The concepts of "hell" and 'heaven" seem cliche to me and wishful thinking. But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

The chance of you being born is also 1 in 400,000,000,000,000 which is too crazy to be a coincidence.

I know we will most likely never be able to prove or disprove God's existence.

What does everyone think?

we can say it's lucky asf to be born n shit, but imagine the trillions and trillions of organisms that would've said that if they were alive (the circumstances weren't right) we just so happen to be here and aware of our chances, nobody really knows the answer tho, if we knew we'd all be bowing to the god that's what faith is JFL.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

THe universe is not eternal we can already estimate how old it is, it had a beginning. Anytjing in it like energy is also not eternal

Something created the universe that has to be outside the scope of time which means it is eternal. Humans call him god

Who said that before the universe was nothing. We just don't know what was there

Okay. If you approach it from this direction I see that you could be correct.

But then you also have to admit that all the religions are false aside from the assumption that god is real?

 

[emeraldglass]

The concepts of "hell" and 'heaven" seem cliche to me and wishful thinking. But I also look at our world and how meticulously humans and organisms were designed. The earth is perfectly designed for life and humans to live, with a literal force field (atmosphere) to stop threats from hitting our planet. Everything seems too intentionally planned out and designed than to just be a random assortment of atoms created by evolution and natural selection.

The chance of you being born is also 1 in 400,000,000,000,000 which is too crazy to be a coincidence.

I know we will most likely never be able to prove or disprove God's existence.

What does everyone think?

You answered your own question. How could everything come out of nothing like atheists claim? Everything is in balance and nothing lack’s only a creator can have done this.

 

[dreamcake1mo]

Your right.

The odds of being born is actually way more. like 1 in infinity. Because according to scientists that believe in the modern concept of “outer-space”, space is mathematically infinate.
And if we are the only such life similar to this nature, than the odds of “life through chance” make less sense to classify as truth, than the idea that we were created by omnipotence (god). To the point where its almost irresponsible to claim we live as a product of chance and not intention.

This is why many believe the idea of chance to be a conspiracy, a false creation used to manipulate peoples perception, perspective, or knowledge of certian truths that would require abandoning the “idea of chance” as a prerequisite.

The concept of hell and heaven is a subject i wont get into much. i think its nasrissistic to say someone will go to hell or heaven.

but i do believe in a more logical form of the idea which is karma. Generally if you do fucked up things to people or in general you will eventually learn not to do that, whether its in a friendly way or a non friendly way. Also vice versa. Do good things or beneficial things and you will eventually learn and receive your action, in a good/or bad way. For this reason people call karma a bitch because it goes both ways for both good and bad.

good in this world often requires sacrafice or a loss of gain, but with the pretense of good being done back to you in some form, as a good action will be (good) thus beneficial, if not directly to you, but to the world which will eventually bring it full round meaning doing good will bring you good.

As said, good and bad karma on both sides, just like how a “bad” person may benefit directly in this world like how we can observe today (cutthroat behaviors considered attractive, capitalistic natures, greed, lust, murder). And even though its a direct “then and there” gain in some cases, eventually the karma will go back full round and show him back his action from a small to big scale in the same way good works.

So while heaven and hell is outside my expertise, (as it involves actually knowing death). I can only say to do good and to continue to cultivate mental and moral precision as a human. My best example of hell and heaven would be karma and such observations from the current world i live in. Heck, many people consider this place hell and if you think about it the descriptions are also similar.

All in all, The net gains of wickedness is simply not worth the value. Good is good and bad is bad. Just like how nobody wants to go to hell. So be heaven. And on earth while that may bring you hell, according to the time tested principles its worth the investment.

Additionally, i do follow and read the abrahamic books that describe god and such but its part of the “cultivate” process. A journey not a race.

 

[Deleted member 21403]

God search. What did god come from if not nothing? Why is the universe any different?

GOd didtn come into existance at all he is eternal it doesnt make sense to you because everything in this universe has a beginning

 

[optimisticzoomer]

GOd didtn come into existance at all he is eternal it doesnt make sense to you because everything in this universe has a beginning

Jfl what a cope. You can't give an answer so you waffle "muh he's eternal".
God needed to have come from somewhere, just like the universe. Otherwise I could use the same argument about the universe as you are for god. Low IQ

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Who said that before the universe was nothing. We just don't know what was there

Okay. If you approach it from this direction I see that you could be correct.

But then you also have to admit that all the religions are false aside from the assumption that god is real?

WHy would all religions have to be false. It could be but not necesserily

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Jfl what a cope. You can't give an answer so you waffle "muh he's eternal".
God needed to have come from somewhere, just like the universe. Otherwise I could use the same argument about the universe as you are for god. Low IQ

you cant use the same argument because every scientist on this planet agrees the universe had a beginning and we can estimate the age of the universe to about 26 billion years.

God by definition has to be outside the scope of time and if something doesnt beginn its eternal

 

[Deleted member 14693]

WHy would all religions have to be false. It could be but not necesserily

Cause you argued that the universe was created by god. I can understand that viewpoint.

But after that, we know that everything could happen randomly. And probably did.

And the creation stories of the world and humans in all major religions are impossible with out scientific knowledge. So if these are incorrect the entire religion is incorrect.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

you cant use the same argument because every scientist on this planet agrees the universe had a beginning and we can estimate the age of the universe to about 26 billion years.

Yeah, but also everyone agrees that earth and all other planets developed over billions of years and weren't individually created by a god.

If you agree that the universe is 26 billion years old you contradict all major religions.

 

[optimisticzoomer]

you cant use the same argument because every scientist on this planet agrees the universe had a beginning and we can estimate the age of the universe to about 26 billion years.

God by definition has to be outside the scope of time and if something doesnt beginn its eternal

The idea of god is a meme humans made up to try and explain what they don't know. So "god" = the unknown. That doesn't make it real. There's no evidence or anything WHATSOEVER about god. God really doesn't even make sense when you think on an evolutionary viewpoint even. What form would a potential god take? Also, even if there were a god, all religions' ideas of that god are false and based on nothing.

But as I said, the idea of a god was just created by humans to attempt to explain the unexplainable

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Cause you argued that the universe was created by god. I can understand that viewpoint.

But after that, we know that everything could happen randomly. And probably did.

And the creation stories of the world and humans in all major religions are impossible with out scientific knowledge. So if these are incorrect the entire religion is incorrect.

I dont believe this universe was created randomly

Science and religion dont have to contradict each other. Evolution from monkeys is not a proven theory btw, its not fact

 

[Deleted member 19174]

Asking this type of shit on .org is crazy

 

[Deleted member 14693]

I dont believe this universe was created randomly

Science and religion dont have to contradict each other. Evolution from monkeys is not a proven theory btw, its not fact

It is, we have found bones older then humans that existed before humans. So evolution has to be true.

So the creation stories can't be correct.

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Yeah, but also everyone agrees that earth and all other planets developed over billions of years and weren't individually created by a god.

If you agree that the universe is 26 billion years old you contradict all major religions.

I ghink i heard that from christianity but havent personally seen the age of the universe mentionied in the Quran at all. Dont know about otther religions

 

[Geoff2024]

Who said that before the universe was nothing. We just don't know what was there

Okay. If you approach it from this direction I see that you could be correct.

But then you also have to admit that all the religions are false aside from the assumption that god is real?

you dont even have surface knowledge of any of the world's religions to make that claim

 

[Deleted member 21403]

It is, we have found bones older then humans that existed before humans. So evolution has to be true.

So the creation stories can't be correct.

Evolution is true but us evolving from monkeys is literally a religion because it isnt proven fact at all.

 

[Aladin]

It doesn't have to be a man made idea like God (of course, that idea might even be true too). Maybe Moon and Sun had sex and birthed the Earth.

Atheist origin of universe hypotheses are always fucking retarded. And the only response will be “well gods retarded”, which is just nonsense.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

you dont even have surface knowledge of any of the world's religions to make that claim

I have. I read the first book of the old testament and its already impossible.

Even pastors agree nowadays lol.

 

[ropemax]

Isn't the universe infinitie. If thats the case it was literally BOUND to happen.

Not really. Infinite time doesn't create infinite possibilities

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Evolution is true but us evolving from monkeys is literally a religion because it isnt proven fact at all.

Who cares where we evolved from? Fact is that the run of events in all religions can't be correct with todays knowledge

 

[Geoff2024]

I have. I read the first book of the old testament and its already impossible.

Even pastors agree nowadays lol.

ok so you read that and that somehow puts you in a position to conclude that all relgions are cap

 

[standardcel]

God exists obviously u must be negative IQ to believe everything was created in perfect order with sophisticated life forms by coincidence. If coincidence could create all this it would be chaotic but everything that was created needs something else to be able to work. The fingerprints of god are there and Jesus was his human form.

 

[Deleted member 21403]

Who cares where we evolved from? Fact is that the run of events in all religions can't be correct with todays knowledge

u dont know all religions. im reading the quran rn and i have not yet found scientific contradiction or any contradiction at all in it

Research it yourself before taking societies claim that science goes against religion

 

[Deleted member 14693]

ok so you read that and that somehow puts you in a position to conclude that all relgions are cap

The religions are suprisingly similar. Tell me the religion that can be correct and I will find you a flaw instantly lol.

Islam and Judaism are the only religions with this many fundemantalists but that will probably evolve too in the future.

 

[Geoff2024]

u dont know all religions. im reading the quran rn and i have not yet found scientific contradiction or any contradiction at all in it

Research it yourself before taking societies claim that science goes against religion

based

 

[Geoff2024]

The religions are suprisingly similar. Tell me the religion that can be correct and I will find you a flaw instantly lol.

Islam and Judaism are the only religions with this many fundemantalists but that will probably evolve too in the future.

ok show me what mistakes there are in the quran

 

[Deleted member 14693]

im reading the quran rn and i have not yet found scientific contradiction or any contradiction at all in it

Stop the fucking cap lol. You are just lying to yourself at this point @alriodai

Qur'anic scientific errors

Qur'an scientific errors occur when a verse, approached from a literalist perspective, states something about reality that's fundamentally flawed. Qur'an scientific errors are external errors (errors in relating the Qur'an to the external world), rather than internal errors.

rationalwiki.org

 

[Deleted member 14693]

ok show me what mistakes there are in the quran

Can't you use google lol

Qur'anic scientific errors

Qur'an scientific errors occur when a verse, approached from a literalist perspective, states something about reality that's fundamentally flawed. Qur'an scientific errors are external errors (errors in relating the Qur'an to the external world), rather than internal errors.

rationalwiki.org