Is it better to do all softmaxes before hardmaxes like surgery

[Deleted member 13994]

for example; diet,skin,tanning


as opposed to rhinoplasty,buccal fat removal etc

 

[Deleted member 13945]

is buccal fat removal really such a hardmax? imo it isnt tbh they just make a cut and remove a fat pad, i dont think its on the same degree as lets say BSSO

 

[randomuser2407]

FALSE.

If your jaw is recessed or you have an underbite, that is a medical issue, and because of it, your looks and your quality of life itself will be handicapped. Fixing that has done more for me than building muscle ever will because I went from completely invisible to getting checked out by lots of women when I go out. 2 days ago, I went to a restaurant, and there was a girl who was with a guy who looked like her boyfriend and she was checking ME out. Last year, I saw a girl who was walking with her muscular boyfriend and she was checking ME out just because she was around 5 foot 10 and he was at that same height too while I am 6 foot 4 with a decent jaw (nothing impressive but no recession and no underbite).

It really doesn't take much to become attractive to women, you just need to fix your biggest failos.

And then, if you still cannot get laid, it's because you don't go out enough to the right places, you don't have any friends (or your friends are geeks/nerds) and most importantly, you don't talk to enough women and you don't ask women out on dates.

Looks are everything for physical attraction but you still need to make the first move in most cultures and in most locations.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

FALSE.

If your jaw is recessed or you have an underbite, that is a medical issue, and because of it, your looks and your quality of life itself will be handicapped. Fixing that has done more for me than building muscle ever will because I went from completely invisible to getting checked out by lots of women when I go out. 2 days ago, I went to a restaurant, and there was a girl who was with a guy who looked like her boyfriend and she was checking ME out. Last year, I saw a girl who was walking with her muscular boyfriend and she was checking ME out just because she was around 5 foot 10 and he was at that same height too while I am 6 foot 4 with a decent jaw (nothing impressive but no recession and no underbite).

It really doesn't take much to become attractive to women, you just need to fix your biggest failos.

And then, if you still cannot get laid, it's because you don't go out enough to the right places, you don't have any friends (or your friends are geeks/nerds) and most importantly, you don't talk to enough women and you don't ask women out on dates.

Looks are everything for physical attraction but you still need to make the first move in most cultures and in most locations.

What's your definition of "checking out"? Every girl I walk by looks at me and then glances away. It's human nature.

 

[Deleted member 13994]

FALSE.

If your jaw is recessed or you have an underbite, that is a medical issue, and because of it, your looks and your quality of life itself will be handicapped. Fixing that has done more for me than building muscle ever will because I went from completely invisible to getting checked out by lots of women when I go out. 2 days ago, I went to a restaurant, and there was a girl who was with a guy who looked like her boyfriend and she was checking ME out. Last year, I saw a girl who was walking with her muscular boyfriend and she was checking ME out just because she was around 5 foot 10 and he was at that same height too while I am 6 foot 4 with a decent jaw (nothing impressive but no recession and no underbite).

It really doesn't take much to become attractive to women, you just need to fix your biggest failos.

And then, if you still cannot get laid, it's because you don't go out enough to the right places, you don't have any friends (or your friends are geeks/nerds) and most importantly, you don't talk to enough women and you don't ask women out on dates.

Looks are everything for physical attraction but you still need to make the first move in most cultures and in most locations.

yeh i agree but in my case i dont have any jaw or maxilla problems. I need nose tip refinement and my ears pinned back

 

[Deleted member 13994]

is buccal fat removal really such a hardmax? imo it isnt tbh they just make a cut and remove a fat pad, i dont think its on the same degree as lets say BSSO

agree but it is certainly a bigger desicion than clearing up your acne or getting a spray tan

 

[randomuser2407]

yeh i agree but in my case i dont have any jaw or maxilla problems. I need nose tip refinement and my ears pinned back

If you don't have a jaw problem, then, usually, you won't benefit from surgeries unless you have something very unusual that normal people don't have or you somehow have a bottomless pit of money to spend on tiny improvements that barely change anything.

I say this mainly because, the only people who need to change their nose are those who have a very crooked nose, and the only ones who need to change their ears are the ones who have ears so big that they look like an elephant.

Plastic surgeries will NOT turn you into a supermodel in 99.9% of cases, but they can fix some very big genetic defects that hurt your looks.
The problem with this forum is that everyone recommends surgeries for everyone, even for those who don't need it.
For example, everyone here always tells me that my eyes and ears are weird and need fixing but if those areas were really that bad, then women would find me ugly, but that's not the case.

In my case, the only things that have ever hurt my looks are my jaw, and the fact that I always looked younger than my age, which was a drawback when I was 17 and looked 14, but now at nearly 23 years old, it is a huge benefit because I wasted 6 years being lazy with my life and with talking to women and now I am considered more attractive by them than in the beginning so, I didn't waste 6 years of my prime, I only wasted 6 years of my life for working and I could have dated below average looking women (not necessarily fat women but unattractive women, now I can attract very attractive women).

 

[Deleted member 9467]

any order works

 

[Deleted member 13495]

What's your definition of "checking out"? Every girl I walk by looks at me and then glances away. It's human nature.

 

[thereallegend]

YES.

Most people don't extensively research hard looksmaxxing anyways. Give yourself more time with that. Don't accidentally butcher your face.

Also this community underestimates how much face yoga can get rid of buccal fat.

 

[BrownBoy]

Also this community underestimates how much face yoga can get rid of buccal fat.

 

[thereallegend]

 

[rolloftape]

FALSE.

If your jaw is recessed or you have an underbite, that is a medical issue, and because of it, your looks and your quality of life itself will be handicapped. Fixing that has done more for me than building muscle ever will because I went from completely invisible to getting checked out by lots of women when I go out. 2 days ago, I went to a restaurant, and there was a girl who was with a guy who looked like her boyfriend and she was checking ME out. Last year, I saw a girl who was walking with her muscular boyfriend and she was checking ME out just because she was around 5 foot 10 and he was at that same height too while I am 6 foot 4 with a decent jaw (nothing impressive but no recession and no underbite).

It really doesn't take much to become attractive to women, you just need to fix your biggest failos.

And then, if you still cannot get laid, it's because you don't go out enough to the right places, you don't have any friends (or your friends are geeks/nerds) and most importantly, you don't talk to enough women and you don't ask women out on dates.

Looks are everything for physical attraction but you still need to make the first move in most cultures and in most locations.

What surgery

 

[uglynihilist]

If you don't have a jaw problem, then, usually, you won't benefit from surgeries unless you have something very unusual that normal people don't have or you somehow have a bottomless pit of money to spend on tiny improvements that barely change anything.

I say this mainly because, the only people who need to change their nose are those who have a very crooked nose, and the only ones who need to change their ears are the ones who have ears so big that they look like an elephant.

Plastic surgeries will NOT turn you into a supermodel in 99.9% of cases, but they can fix some very big genetic defects that hurt your looks.
The problem with this forum is that everyone recommends surgeries for everyone, even for those who don't need it.
For example, everyone here always tells me that my eyes and ears are weird and need fixing but if those areas were really that bad, then women would find me ugly, but that's not the case.

In my case, the only things that have ever hurt my looks are my jaw, and the fact that I always looked younger than my age, which was a drawback when I was 17 and looked 14, but now at nearly 23 years old, it is a huge benefit because I wasted 6 years being lazy with my life and with talking to women and now I am considered more attractive by them than in the beginning so, I didn't waste 6 years of my prime, I only wasted 6 years of my life for working and I could have dated below average looking women (not necessarily fat women but unattractive women, now I can attract very attractive women).

I think your biggest problem is your eye area but yeah, idk if you can fix that.
Averge Jaw+hunter eyes= slayer
Good Jaw+average eyes= high tier normie at best
Chris Hemsworth has good jaw (not amazing, just decent) + sick eye area = top slayer

 

[nastynas]

ofc. softmaxxing is the basis of every ascension unless severe recession, its like buying windows for a house thats not even built.

 

[randomuser2407]

I think your biggest problem is your eye area but yeah, idk if you can fix that.
Averge Jaw+hunter eyes= slayer
Good Jaw+average eyes= high tier normie at best
Chris Hemsworth has good jaw (not amazing, just decent) + sick eye area = top slayer

You sound like you've been brainwashed by the users of this site, poor you.

 

[Acromegaly_Chad]

FALSE.

If your jaw is recessed or you have an underbite, that is a medical issue, and because of it, your looks and your quality of life itself will be handicapped. Fixing that has done more for me than building muscle ever will because I went from completely invisible to getting checked out by lots of women when I go out. 2 days ago, I went to a restaurant, and there was a girl who was with a guy who looked like her boyfriend and she was checking ME out. Last year, I saw a girl who was walking with her muscular boyfriend and she was checking ME out just because she was around 5 foot 10 and he was at that same height too while I am 6 foot 4 with a decent jaw (nothing impressive but no recession and no underbite).

It really doesn't take much to become attractive to women, you just need to fix your biggest failos.

And then, if you still cannot get laid, it's because you don't go out enough to the right places, you don't have any friends (or your friends are geeks/nerds) and most importantly, you don't talk to enough women and you don't ask women out on dates.

Looks are everything for physical attraction but you still need to make the first move in most cultures and in most locations.

King.

 

[uglynihilist]

You sound like you've been brainwashed by the users of this site, poor you.

elaborate

 

[randomuser2407]

elaborate

I mean that all the features that the black pill claims is an essential aspect of male beauty is easily overlooked by many women.

If the black pill was really on point about the subject, then women would only be attracted to men like Sean O Pry and Chico Lachowski (in his prime of course).

But what I have noticed is that women aim mostly for:

1) Age (preferably a little bit older than her but the basic requirement is that you're not too old or too young for her)
2) Hair (preferably thick and plentiful but the basic requirement is that you're not balding or bald, unless you can make up for it somehow)
3) Jaw and chin (preferably very strong and defined but the basic requirement is that you're not recessed and you don't have an underbite)
4) Skin (preferably completely clear but the basic requirement is that you're not covered with acne)
5) Height (preferably tall, but the basic requirement is that you're not short)
6) Physique (preferably muscular, preferably ripped, but the basic requirement is that you're not fat)

Also, if you're white, you get a massive boost in attractiveness with asian women, not just in southeast asia, but in first world countries as well, I have noticed it myself.

In my case, I am 22 years old, I have very thick hair, I have an above average jaw and a very defined chin, I don't have acne, I am 6 foot 4 in height and I have a skinny body.

So, I am above average, due to my height, my jaw and chin, and my hair.
And when trying to attract women of between 17 and 19 years old, I have the advantage over younger men because women of that age range would rather date a 22 year old than someone of their own age, I have experienced that phenomenon firsthand.

Many people on this forum think that you need to look like a supermodel, when in reality, you just need to be above average, and you need to go out to places where women are and focus on approaching and talking to the women who seem most interested in you, judging by their body language.

The reason why I don't go out right now is because I have a health issue that I can't yet pinpoint. I just know that whenever I try to start lifting weights, even on a very easy training program, I get really sore and have trouble recovering from my workouts, and every time that I lift, it lowers my sex drive. But I wasn't always this way. I think that I may have developed a health issue that prevents me from building muscle effectively, either that or I have always had low testosterone.

Anyways, 4 days ago, I did a blood test to check my thyroid levels and my cortisol levels, if the test proves that I have hypothyroidism, then my problem will get fixed with the right medication and I will be okay. If not, I will need to find a way to get my hands on a TRT dose of testosterone illegally, not because I need to be muscular to attract women but because it is impossible to be sexually active and to do a lot of physical activity when you have very low testosterone levels at a young age. Now, I am just waiting patiently for my results, they should arrive before my 23rd birthday which is on June 19th.

 

[Deleted member 10330]

I mean that all the features that the black pill claims is an essential aspect of male beauty is easily overlooked by many women.

If the black pill was really on point about the subject, then women would only be attracted to men like Sean O Pry and Chico Lachowski (in his prime of course).

But what I have noticed is that women aim mostly for:

1) Age (preferably a little bit older than her but the basic requirement is that you're not too old or too young for her)
2) Hair (preferably thick and plentiful but the basic requirement is that you're not balding or bald, unless you can make up for it somehow)
3) Jaw and chin (preferably very strong and defined but the basic requirement is that you're not recessed and you don't have an underbite)
4) Skin (preferably completely clear but the basic requirement is that you're not covered with acne)
5) Height (preferably tall, but the basic requirement is that you're not short)
6) Physique (preferably muscular, preferably ripped, but the basic requirement is that you're not fat)

Also, if you're white, you get a massive boost in attractiveness with asian women, not just in southeast asia, but in first world countries as well, I have noticed it myself.

In my case, I am 22 years old, I have very thick hair, I have an above average jaw and a very defined chin, I don't have acne, I am 6 foot 4 in height and I have a skinny body.

So, I am above average, due to my height, my jaw and chin, and my hair.
And when trying to attract women of between 17 and 19 years old, I have the advantage over younger men because women of that age range would rather date a 22 year old than someone of their own age, I have experienced that phenomenon firsthand.

Many people on this forum think that you need to look like a supermodel, when in reality, you just need to be above average, and you need to go out to places where women are and focus on approaching and talking to the women who seem most interested in you, judging by their body language.

The reason why I don't go out right now is because I have a health issue that I can't yet pinpoint. I just know that whenever I try to start lifting weights, even on a very easy training program, I get really sore and have trouble recovering from my workouts, and every time that I lift, it lowers my sex drive. But I wasn't always this way. I think that I may have developed a health issue that prevents me from building muscle effectively, either that or I have always had low testosterone.

Anyways, 4 days ago, I did a blood test to check my thyroid levels and my cortisol levels, if the test proves that I have hypothyroidism, then my problem will get fixed with the right medication and I will be okay. If not, I will need to find a way to get my hands on a TRT dose of testosterone illegally, not because I need to be muscular to attract women but because it is impossible to be sexually active and to do a lot of physical activity when you have very low testosterone levels at a young age. Now, I am just waiting patiently for my results, they should arrive before my 23rd birthday which is on June 19th.

the usual essays

 

[Deleted member 10330]

What's your definition of "checking out"? Every girl I walk by looks at me and then glances away. It's human nature.

He's delusional. Hes MTN + tall

 

[sbaigq]

No man do it the other way around. All the invasive surgeries first then showermaxxing last

Jfl this site

kekked

Anyways, 4 days ago, I did a blood test to check my thyroid levels and my cortisol levels, if the test proves that I have hypothyroidism, then my problem will get fixed with the right medication and I will be okay. If not, I will need to find a way to get my hands on a TRT dose of testosterone illegally, not because I need to be muscular to attract women but because it is impossible to be sexually active and to do a lot of physical activity when you have very low testosterone levels at a young age. Now, I am just waiting patiently for my results, they should arrive before my 23rd birthday which is on June 19th.

i hope you tested the test too, nothing worse than pinning blindly without knowing if you actually had low T

 

[randomuser2407]

kekked

i hope you tested the test too, nothing worse than pinning blindly without knowing if you actually had low T

I tested my testosterone levels a while back and my result for total testosterone was at 533 ng/dl, which is within the healthy range but still on the lower end.

The thing is that it doesn't matter if my testosterone level is considered good enough or not because right now, I am suffering from a lack of muscle mass, an inability to build muscle, an inability to gain strength even when training hard and eating enough, I am often tired and I have a very low sex drive. So if I have no real health issue that is causing this, even if my testosterone levels were fine, then it would mean that I have really bad genetics.

And, the science proves that the symptoms that I am experiencing are often linked to having low testosterone levels and for someone in my situation who would use steroids, they would fix most of the problems. That is because steroids make it easier to build muscle, easier to lose fat, enhance energy levels, and add a lot of muscle mass very quickly. I have the level of muscle mass that a woman would have at my height, and that is not normal, so if there is no medication out there that can fix this, injecting testosterone will be my only solution.

But like I said, doing this will not give me a simple shortcut, but it will give me what I need to be like a healthy 22 year old man should be.
Steroids would make it so easy to recover from the gym that I would be able to do a ton of volume on a bro split and I would gain a lot of muscle in my first cycle, especially because I already know how to do it. The main thing that has been holding me back is not laziness but a genuine health problem that make it very difficult to make progress in the gym, either that or I just have really bad genetics (less likely but also a possibility).

 

[sbaigq]

I tested my testosterone levels a while back and my result for total testosterone was at 533 ng/dl, which is within the healthy range but still on the lower end.

The thing is that it doesn't matter if my testosterone level is considered good enough or not because right now, I am suffering from a lack of muscle mass, an inability to build muscle, an inability to gain strength even when training hard and eating enough, I am often tired and I have a very low sex drive. So if I have no real health issue that is causing this, even if my testosterone levels were fine, then it would mean that I have really bad genetics.

And, the science proves that the symptoms that I am experiencing are often linked to having low testosterone levels and for someone in my situation who would use steroids, they would fix most of the problems. That is because steroids make it easier to build muscle, easier to lose fat, enhance energy levels, and add a lot of muscle mass very quickly. I have the level of muscle mass that a woman would have at my height, and that is not normal, so if there is no medication out there that can fix this, injecting testosterone will be my only solution.

But like I said, doing this will not give me a simple shortcut, but it will give me what I need to be like a healthy 22 year old man should be.
Steroids would make it so easy to recover from the gym that I would be able to do a ton of volume on a bro split and I would gain a lot of muscle in my first cycle, especially because I already know how to do it. The main thing that has been holding me back is not laziness but a genuine health problem that make it very difficult to make progress in the gym, either that or I just have really bad genetics (less likely but also a possibility).

Yeah, go for it. 500ng/dL is too low, I'd do it too if i were you.

 

[ratiorichard]

obviously.

 

[joao]

If you don't have a jaw problem, then, usually, you won't benefit from surgeries unless you have something very unusual that normal people don't have or you somehow have a bottomless pit of money to spend on tiny improvements that barely change anything.

I say this mainly because, the only people who need to change their nose are those who have a very crooked nose, and the only ones who need to change their ears are the ones who have ears so big that they look like an elephant.

Plastic surgeries will NOT turn you into a supermodel in 99.9% of cases, but they can fix some very big genetic defects that hurt your looks.
The problem with this forum is that everyone recommends surgeries for everyone, even for those who don't need it.
For example, everyone here always tells me that my eyes and ears are weird and need fixing but if those areas were really that bad, then women would find me ugly, but that's not the case.

In my case, the only things that have ever hurt my looks are my jaw, and the fact that I always looked younger than my age, which was a drawback when I was 17 and looked 14, but now at nearly 23 years old, it is a huge benefit because I wasted 6 years being lazy with my life and with talking to women and now I am considered more attractive by them than in the beginning so, I didn't waste 6 years of my prime, I only wasted 6 years of my life for working and I could have dated below average looking women (not necessarily fat women but unattractive women, now I can attract very attractive women).

Can i surgerymax