is it worth hopping on just test

[foidannhialator]

ive heard test has various side effects like producing more estrogen and making your balls shrink etc but im not gonna be able to afford to buy enough suppressants to help with this.
is it really that bad to pin just test by itself, maybe also hgh but with no kind of suppressants

 

[itsoverformr]

ive heard test has various side effects like producing more estrogen and making your balls shrink etc but im not gonna be able to afford to buy enough suppressants to help with this.
is it really that bad to pin just test by itself, maybe also hgh but with no kind of suppressants

do hcg instead

 

[Gudliferr]

nigga an ai is like 5 dollars a month and finasteride's like the cheapest drug in the world are you retarded? Also just pin daily to avoid side effects from hormonal fluctuations

 

[bolinha]

ive heard test has various side effects like producing more estrogen and making your balls shrink etc but im not gonna be able to afford to buy enough suppressants to help with this.
is it really that bad to pin just test by itself, maybe also hgh but with no kind of suppressants

nah bro hop on estrogen

 

[Veroa]

u'd also need some form of DHT blocker either oral or topical to counteract potential hairloss, imo test isn't worth it but there's people here who will defend it to the grave.. each to their own ig

 

[foidannhialator]

do hcg instead

what do those do
im only really thinking about test or gh secretagogues or js hgh atm

 

[foidannhialator]

u'd also need some form of DHT blocker either oral or topical to counteract potential hairloss, imo test isn't worth it but there's people here who will defend it to the grave.. each to their own ig

what would you reccommend instead then

 

[Veroa]

what would you reccommend instead then

Raw primal diet and exercise + sunlight

accutane and minoxidil are good softmaxxes

 

[SA889]

nigga an ai is like 5 dollars a month and finasteride's like the cheapest drug in the world are you retarded? Also just pin daily to avoid side effects from hormonal fluctuations

subq or im daily ?

 

[Starborn]

Raw primal diet and exercise + sunlight

accutane and minoxidil are good softmaxxes

ive heard test has various side effects like producing more estrogen and making your balls shrink etc but im not gonna be able to afford to buy enough suppressants to help with this.
is it really that bad to pin just test by itself, maybe also hgh but with no kind of suppressants

Yes it is worth it people on test grow more muscle doing NOTHING. then natty lifters who go to gym everyday.

the estrogen wont be a problem cuz you can get AIS for dirt cheap you have stuff like Armidex Aromasin Femara ECT.

And for dht theres fin which is dirt cheap.

It is worth it 100% sides can be EASILY counteracted.


Mark solution by pressing checkmark on the right ------>

 

[Wasq]

Raw primal diet and exercise + sunlight

accutane and minoxidil are good softmaxxes

Muh raw primal diet

 

[Veroa]

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Yes it is worth it people on test grow more muscle doing NOTHING. then natty lifters who go to gym everyday.

the estrogen wont be a problem cuz you can get AIS for dirt cheap you have stuff like Armidex Aromasin Femara ECT.

And for dht theres fin which is dirt cheap.

It is worth it 100% sides can be EASILY counteracted.


Mark solution by pressing checkmark on the right ------>

mention the part if you ever wanna hop off you'll not go back to baseline levels

 

[Starborn]

mention the part if you ever wanna hop off you'll not go back to baseline levels

Unless you run HCG And then Serms.

 

[Veroa]

Muh raw primal diet

Ignorant retard, of course it tastes like shit and nobody who grew up in cities wants to eat it, they want their slop.

The premise is that raw animal products have the highest concentration of beneficial nutrients and other helpful things your body needs to thrive and most importantly grow, and maintain well.

This ranges from shit like hair skin to even bones if consumed from adolescence or a young age, the line is fuzzy.


Most of the time it's not worth it, because you're already at an age where you won't change in a significant way from just diet, the benefit lies in the health which translates into your health markers (skin hair nails even eyes)

But this forum and whole niche is about doing the absolute most and everything you can to improve your looks/health, so why is the idea of this so criticized if it makes sense with study backing?

 

[foidannhialator]

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Yes it is worth it people on test grow more muscle doing NOTHING. then natty lifters who go to gym everyday.

the estrogen wont be a problem cuz you can get AIS for dirt cheap you have stuff like Armidex Aromasin Femara ECT.

And for dht theres fin which is dirt cheap.

It is worth it 100% sides can be EASILY counteracted.


Mark solution by pressing checkmark on the right ------>

whats ais
dht is for protecting hair tho right?

 

[Starborn]

whats ais
dht is for protecting hair tho right?

DHT is what makes you lose it

You can run a DHT blocker (cheap) So easily like finasteride.


Ais are estrogen blockers (also dirt cheap) you can get 100 fucking pills for 15 bucks

 

[foidannhialator]

whats ais
dht is for protecting hair tho right?

im a fucking retarded faggot ai is aromatase inhibotor thats so helping with estrogen init

 

[foidannhialator]

DHT is what makes you lose it

You can run a DHT blocker (cheap) So easily like finasteride.


Ais are estrogen blockers (also dirt cheap) you can get 100 fucking pills for 15 bucks

what source would you use for ais? india mart?

 

[Starborn]

what source would you use for ais? india mart?

You can use india mart or any basic chinise source.

they will be cheap wherever you go

 

[Veroa]

Ignorant retard, of course it tastes like shit and nobody who grew up in cities wants to eat it, they want their slop.

The premise is that raw animal products have the highest concentration of beneficial nutrients and other helpful things your body needs to thrive and most importantly grow, and maintain well.

This ranges from shit like hair skin to even bones if consumed from adolescence or a young age, the line is fuzzy.


Most of the time it's not worth it, because you're already at an age where you won't change in a significant way from just diet, the benefit lies in the health which translates into your health markers (skin hair nails even eyes)

But this forum and whole niche is about doing the absolute most and everything you can to improve your looks/health, so why is the idea of this so criticized if it makes sense with study backing?

@Starborn you can read this too

 

[Starborn]

@Starborn you can read this too

you just said primal diet was better than running test for gains dude

DNR.

 

[foidannhialator]

You can use india mart or any basic chinise source.

they will be cheap wherever you go

what are good chinese sources i havent found any of these

 

[Starborn]

what are good chinese sources i havent found any of these

go on MESORX and find one

 

[Peco]

Unless you run HCG And then Serms.

You'll lose basically all gains after hopping off, no matter what you take

 

[Starborn]

what are good chinese sources i havent found any of these

MESO-Rx Forum

 

[Starborn]

You'll lose basically all gains after hopping off, no matter what you take

thats Y u cruise

 

[Veroa]

you just said primal diet was better than running test for gains dude

DNR.

I'm assuming you're indian like most high reps on this which is why you cannot interpret what I said correctly, he mentioned what he could do instead of test because test was the topic for the response

he was UNSURE if he wanted to do testosterone from the start which is why I proposed to him a more natural, diet based solution.

 

[Peco]

thats Y u cruise

I'd rather shoot myself then be dependent on a drug for the rest of my life. Just don't do test

 

[foidannhialator]

I'd rather shoot myself then be dependent on a drug for the rest of my life. Just don't do test

what really bad side effects would i get if i went off it full stop

 

[SA889]

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Yes it is worth it people on test grow more muscle doing NOTHING. then natty lifters who go to gym everyday.

the estrogen wont be a problem cuz you can get AIS for dirt cheap you have stuff like Armidex Aromasin Femara ECT.

And for dht theres fin which is dirt cheap.

It is worth it 100% sides can be EASILY counteracted.


Mark solution by pressing checkmark on the right ------

would u recommend subq or im ? ed?

 

[Peco]

what really bad side effects would i get if i went off it full stop

It's not only the side effects, it's just that if you get off of it you will lose basically all you gained, so it's not worth it in the first place, unless you stay on forever but who the fuck wants to do that

 

[foidannhialator]

It's not only the side effects, it's just that if you get off of it you will lose basically all you gained, so it's not worth it in the first place, unless you stay on forever but who the fuck wants to do that

youd really just lose all that muscle?
i dont believe that cl

 

[Starborn]

would u recommend subq or im ? ed?

IM

 

[Peco]

youd really just lose all that muscle?
i dont believe that cl

You will lose all the muscles you gained with testosterone. If you take test like the other guy said your muscles will grow even if you don't do shit, but as soon as you get off you'll lose everything.

If you also go to the gym you will build some muscles who will remain after you get off test, but the muscle mass will still decrease a lot. You will still retain a bit but basically just because you went to the gym. You can take things like PCTs that help you retain a bit more when you get off, but honestly doing all this just for some more muscles really isn't worth it. You got all the health risks, it costs quite a bit and you risk getting low quality shit if you aren't careful.

It's really only worth if you cruise but personally I wouldn't wanna be so dependent on something

 

[MinionS]

Why dont u fucking research insted of asking bruhhh

 

[SA889]

IM

is test c E3D valid or in what rhytm would be good ?

 

[foidannhialator]

You will lose all the muscles you gained with testosterone. If you take test like the other guy said your muscles will grow even if you don't do shit, but as soon as you get off you'll lose everything.

If you also go to the gym you will build some muscles who will remain after you get off test, but the muscle mass will still decrease a lot. You will still retain a bit but basically just because you went to the gym. You can take things like PCTs that help you retain a bit more when you get off, but honestly doing all this just for some more muscles really isn't worth it. You got all the health risks, it costs quite a bit and you risk getting low quality shit if you aren't careful.

It's really only worth if you cruise but personally I wouldn't wanna be so dependent on something

is something like a gh secretagogue like mk677 or js hgh a better option then bc the results actually last forever?

 

[Peco]

is something like a gh secretagogue like mk677 or js hgh a better option then bc the results actually last forever?

I'm not sure. Personally I'm not really interested in these things. If I were you I would do my own research.

If you just ask around you'll get a lot of different opinions but at the end of the day you still gotta fact check it yourself, otherwise you risk taking the wrong path just because who led you into it sounded more convincing or confident than others

 

[foidannhialator]

I'm not sure. Personally I'm not really interested in these things. If I were you I would do my own research.

If you just ask around you'll get a lot of different opinions but at the end of the day you still gotta fact check it yourself, otherwise you risk taking the wrong path just because who lead you into it sounded more convincing or confident than others

yeah lowk true idrk any good places to fact check tho man do you have any?

 

[Peco]

yeah lowk true idrk any good places to fact check tho man do you have any?

I mean just use Google or AI. Read studies and articles. It's fine to ask people here or in other forums, but make sure you always fact check what people tell you before trusting it.

If you use AI make sure you check the sources more than listening to what it tells you, because sometimes it just makes shit up.

 

[foidannhialator]

I mean just use Google or AI. Read studies and articles. It's fine to ask people here or in other forums, but make sure you always fact check what people tell you before trusting it.

If you use AI make sure you check the sources more than listening to what it tells you, because sometimes it just makes shit up.

yeah yeah thanks man i appreciare

 

[Sangre Fina]

ive heard test has various side effects like producing more estrogen and making your balls shrink etc but im not gonna be able to afford to buy enough suppressants to help with this.
is it really that bad to pin just test by itself, maybe also hgh but with no kind of suppressants

You can 100% run a cycle of just testosterone, but be warned you don't "only need AIs and Finasteride" there are a lot of other mitigators than you need to think of, especially if you're blasting 500mg weekly.

You need to include bloodwork, supplements, PCT and ancillaries, something like:

BW:
Free Testosterone
Estradiol (E2)
CBC
Lipid Panel
Liver Panel

Supplements:
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Fish Oils
(Optional depending on results from bw)
NAC
TUDCA

Ancillaries:
Eplerenone (bloating and blood pressure)
Rosuvastatin (blasting test will affect your HDL and LDL)

PCT:
HCG (so you dont go infertile plus will make recovery go from months to weeks)
Nolvadex (this is a MUST for PCT)

These are like the minimum you should be doing

 

[foidannhialator]

You can 100% run a cycle of just testosterone, but be warned you don't "only need AIs and Finasteride" there are a lot of other mitigators than you need to think of, especially if you're blasting 500mg weekly.

You need to include bloodwork, supplements, PCT and ancillaries, something like:

BW:
Free Testosterone
Estradiol (E2)
CBC
Lipid Panel
Liver Panel

Supplements:
Vitamin C
Vitamin E
Fish Oils
(Optional depending on results from bw)
NAC
TUDCA

Ancillaries:
Eplerenone (bloating and blood pressure)
Rosuvastatin (blasting test will affect your HDL and LDL)

PCT:
HCG (so you dont go infertile plus will make recovery go from months to weeks)
Nolvadex (this is a MUST for PCT)

These are like the minimum you should be doing

cl im a fucking grey can you define all these abbreviations like pct, hcg, nac, tudca

 

[Sangre Fina]

cl im a fucking grey can you define all these abbreviations like pct, hcg, nac, tudca

PCT= Post Cycle Therapy
hCG= Human chorionic gonadotropin (this will signal your brain to restart test production)
NAC= N-acetyl cysteine (Liver protector)
TUDCA= Ursodoxicoltaurine (Liver protector)

 

[Wasq]

Ignorant retard, of course it tastes like shit and nobody who grew up in cities wants to eat it, they want their slop.

The premise is that raw animal products have the highest concentration of beneficial nutrients and other helpful things your body needs to thrive and most importantly grow, and maintain well.

This ranges from shit like hair skin to even bones if consumed from adolescence or a young age, the line is fuzzy.


Most of the time it's not worth it, because you're already at an age where you won't change in a significant way from just diet, the benefit lies in the health which translates into your health markers (skin hair nails even eyes)

But this forum and whole niche is about doing the absolute most and everything you can to improve your looks/health, so why is the idea of this so criticized if it makes sense with study backing?

DNR

 

[foidannhialator]

PCT= Post Cycle Therapy
hCG= Human chorionic gonadotropin (this will signal your brain to restart test production)
NAC= N-acetyl cysteine (Liver protector)
TUDCA= Ursodoxicoltaurine (Liver protector)

is bloodwork really that important cus im only 15 and my parents wouldnt allow me to get it done without thinking somethings up

 

[Sangre Fina]

is bloodwork really that important cus im only 15 and my parents wouldnt allow me to get it done without thinking somethings up

Yes bloodwork is SUPER important do not hop on gear if you’re not going to do bloodwork, there are a lot of private labs that you can book appointments for online if you need to, but please do not run a cycle without bloodwork it is a very bad idea