Is lifting weights and being muscular COPE???

[Kingkellz]

Resistance training aka strength training/weight training (basically 'lifting weights') is the use of resistance to muscular contraction to build the strength, anaerobic endurance and size of skeletal muscles.

Why Is Muscularity Sexy? Tests of the
Fitness Indicator Hypothesis

The results across six studies support the hypothesis
that muscularity is a sexually selected fitness cue. Women
rated muscular men as more sexually desirable than both
non-muscular men and very muscular men, as predicted
by our inverted-U hypothesis of masculine traits.

Also consistent with our predictions, women
inferred that muscular men were more physically dominant,
more volatile, and less likely to show commitment
than less muscular men, a pattern consistent with
research on other testosterone-linked fitness indicators
such as facial masculinity.

Women
reported that their past short-term sex partners were
more muscular than their most recent sex partners
across two measures of muscularity. Consistent with
past research on fitness cues (Hughes & Gallup, 2003;
Thornhill & Gangestad, 1994), muscular men rated
their bodies as sexier to women, reported more lifetime
and short-term sex partners, and reported more affairs
with mated women when controlling for other variables
(age, body fat level, and self-esteem).

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rspb.2017.1819

Three sets of photographs of men's bodies were shown to raters who estimated either their physical strength or their attractiveness. Estimates of physical strength determined over 70% of men's bodily attractiveness.

Contrary to popular theories of men's physical attractiveness, there was no evidence of a nonlinear effect; the strongest men were the most attractive in all samples.

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They wanted to estimate women’s and men’s size preferences for each muscle. They found that overall, men and women think bigger muscles are more attractive than smaller ones.

The Influence of Body Composition Effects on Male Facial Masculinity and Attractiveness

Body mass index (BMI) and its facial correlates influence a range of perceptions including masculinity and attractiveness. BMI conflates body fat and muscle which are sexually dimorphic because men typically have more muscle but less fat than women. We ...

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Body size has an impact on a variety of social judgments including attractiveness, strength, dominance, leadership and employment.

Women like muscles but men are intimidated by them

The relative importance of intra- and intersexual selection on human male sexually dimorphic traits

Recent evidence suggests that in sexual selection on human males, intrasexual competition plays a larger role than female choice. In a sample of men (…

www.sciencedirect.com

Formidability assessment mechanisms: Examining their speed and automaticity

Throughout vertebrate evolution, asymmetries in the ability to inflict costs on others (i.e., formidability) have determined the outcomes of contests …

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People spend more time looking at individuals who look more formidable.
Researchers found that after viewing each image for only 33 milliseconds (about 0.03 seconds), participants’ ratings of how strong the men looked were correlated with how strong the men actually were, as revealed by their handgrip strength measures. People instantly and accurately estimated how strong the men were.
The researchers suggest, "formidability may begin to influence the course of social interactions almost as soon as they have begun.”

Resistance training and cardiovascular benefits

Push-up Exercise Capacity and Future Cardiovascular Events in Active Adult Men

This cohort study investigates the association between participants’ capacity to complete push-ups at baseline and cardiovascular disease events during 10 years of follow-up.

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They found that men who were able to do 40 push-ups or more had a 96 percent reduced risk of heart disease compared with men who could do less than 10 push-ups.

Weightlifting is good for your heart and it doesn't take much

Lifting weights for less than an hour a week may reduce your risk for a heart attack or stroke by 40 to 70 percent, according to a new study. Spending more than an hour in the weight room did not yield any additional benefit, the researchers found. The results show benefits of strength training...

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Lifting weights for less than an hour a week may reduce your risk for a heart attack or stroke by 40 to 70 percent, according to a new study. Spending more than an hour in the weight room did not yield any additional benefit, the researchers found. The results show benefits of strength training are independent of running, walking or other aerobic activity.

Less than an hour of weekly resistance exercise (compared with no resistance exercise) was associated with a 29 percent lower risk of developing metabolic syndrome, which increases risk of heart disease, stroke and diabetes.

The risk of hypercholesterolemia was 32 percent lower. The results for both studies also were independent of aerobic exercise.

Resistance training promotes bone development, reduces lower back pain, prevents type 2 diabetes, improves insulin sensitivity & more

Resistance training is medicine: effects of strength training on health - PubMed

Inactive adults experience a 3% to 8% loss of muscle mass per decade, accompanied by resting metabolic rate reduction and fat accumulation. Ten weeks of resistance training may increase lean weight by 1.4 kg, increase resting metabolic rate by 7%, and reduce fat weight by 1.8 kg. Benefits of...

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Benefits of resistance training include improved physical performance, movement control, walking speed, functional independence, cognitive abilities, and self-esteem.

Resistance training may promote bone development, with studies showing 1% to 3% increase in bone mineral density. Resistance training may be effective for reducing low back pain and easing discomfort associated with arthritis and fibromyalgia and has been shown to reverse specific aging factors in skeletal muscle.

Resistance training may assist prevention and management of type 2 diabetes by decreasing visceral fat, reducing HbA1c, increasing the density of glucose transporter type 4, and improving insulin sensitivity.

Inactive adults can lose 3 to 8 percent of muscle mass per decade. You might lament the loss of your rock-hard arms or killer abs, but even worse, muscle weakness is linked with an increased likelihood of death in men. Heavy resistance training can help fight, and reverse, the loss of muscle mass. It can also strengthen bones and help prevent osteoporosis, especially in postmenopausal women.
The old saying, “Use it, don’t lose it” seems appropriate for your muscles.



Resistance training may help to treat Fibromyalgia

Recommendations for resistance training in patients with fibromyalgia

It may seem counter-intuitive to purposely stress muscle in patients who have muscle pain. However, a growing body of evidence challenges the assumption that resistance (strength) training worsens muscle pain in people with fibromyalgia (FM). In fact, ...

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In fact, the latest evidence indicates that when resistance training is tailored to individual needs, people with FM can obtain worthwhile improvements in FM severity.

Resistance training improves self-confidence and happiness

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The weight of the available evidence supported the conclusion that strength training is associated with reductions in anxiety symptoms among healthy adults (5 trials); reductions in pain intensity among patients with low back pain (5 trials), osteoarthritis (8 trials), and fibromyalgia (4 trials); improvements in cognition among older adults (7 trials); improvements in sleep quality among depressed older adults (2 trials); reductions in symptoms of depression among patients with diagnosed depression (4 trials) and fibromyalgia (2 trials); reductions in fatigue symptoms (10 trials); and improvements in self-esteem (6 trials).

Resistance training reduces anxiety

The anxiolytic effects of resistance exercise

Numerous studies have revealed the beneficial effects of regular exercise across a variety of mental health measures. Although a great deal of attention has been paid to the role of aerobic exercise, less is known about the role of resistance exercise ...

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This research has shown that resistance training at a low-to-moderate intensity (<70% 1 repetition maximum) produces the most reliable and robust decreases in anxiety. These findings provide support for the use of resistance exercise in the clinical management of anxiety.

Resistance training treats depression

The outcomes of the review indicate that there is evidence for the efficacy of both cardiovascular exercise and resistance exercise, either independently or combined, in the treatment of depression across the range of severity levels and age groups.
Exercise interventions for the treatment of depression appear worthwhile and well tolerated. Exercise preference, access to resources and social support may shape the choice for the patient. The role of primary and allied health professionals in guiding this choice is discussed. Implications for clinical practice and further research are presented.

Maximal strength training improves work economy, rate of force development and maximal strength more than conventional strength training

Maximal strength training improves work economy, rate of force development and maximal strength more than conventional strength training - European Journal of Applied Physiology

This study compared maximal strength training (MST) with equal training volume (kg × sets × repetitions) of conventional strength training (CON) primarily with regard to work economy, and second one repetition maximum (1RM) and rate of force development (RFD) of single leg knee extension. In an...

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In conclusion, 8 weeks of MST was more effective than CON for improving work economy, 1RM and RFD in untrained and moderately trained men. The advantageous effect of MST to improve work economy could be due to larger improvements in 1RM and RFD.

The effect of strength training on performance in endurance athletes - PubMed

The present research available supports the addition of strength training in an endurance athlete's programme for improved economy, [Formula: see text], muscle power and performance. However, it is evident that further research is needed. Future investigations should include valid strength...

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The present research available supports the addition of strength training in an endurance athlete's programme for improved economy, [Formula: see text], muscle power and performance.

The effect of strength training on performance in endurance athletes - PubMed

The present research available supports the addition of strength training in an endurance athlete's programme for improved economy, [Formula: see text], muscle power and performance. However, it is evident that further research is needed. Future investigations should include valid strength...

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The results showed that strength training improved time-trial performance, economy, [Formula: see text] and vMART in competitive endurance athletes.

Resistance training improved cognitive ability and leads to healthy cognitive ageing

Kicking Back Cognitive Ageing: Leg Power Predicts Cognitive Ageing after Ten Years in Older Female Twins

Many observational studies have shown a protective effect of physical activity on cognitive ageing, but interventional studies have been less convincing. This may be due to short time scales of interventions, suboptimal interventional regimes or lack ...

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Leg power predicts both cognitive ageing and global brain structure, despite controlling for common genetics and early life environment shared by twins. Interventions targeted to improve leg power in the long term may help reach a universal goal of healthy cognitive ageing.

Strength training can help protect the brain from degeneration

For the first time, an intervention - lifting weights - has been able to slow and even halt degeneration, over a long period, in brain areas particularly vulnerable to Alzheimer's disease.

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“Our research shows that strength training can protect some hippocampal subregions from degeneration or shrinkage for up to 12-months after the training has stopped,” Dr Broadhouse said.

"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable."


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[SkinjobCatastrophe]

This is the kind of stuff I lay down on people who say weightlifting or leg training in particular is cope, the body will never be as important as face for your looks, but it is still important, and beyond that it keeps you healthy in the body and the mind so its really a win win situation. There is zero negative.

 

[Looks234]

Height and body can halo you hard

 

[Deleted member 2275]

water, drips, drops, etc

 

[Beetlejuice]

banger thread

 

[john2]

It definitely isn't cope.
But if you have a bad face, bad frame, short height and bad muscle distribution/shape to begin with, it won't halo you at all.

 

[volcelfatcel]

Muh gym is cope bro

fucking retards gym is ntohing but positives.
Solid thread to enlighten copers

 

[189]

RKELLY with another banger!!!!

 

[randomuser2407]

If you just lift weights and tell yourself that women will approach you or you are dumb enough to think that you are actually doing it for yourself, then yes it is cope.

If you do it because you want to be more attractive to then go out to meet and attract a higher quantity and a higher quality of women, then it is actually useful.

The best way to avoid becoming a gymcel is to not become so obsessed by the gym that you would sacrifice going out to make more gains.

Many men don't realize that they look their best when they are in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but then they become too old to successfully hookup with lots of women and by then it is too late since they cannot go back in time to fix their mistakes.
If you spend too much time improving yourself and aim for perfection before taking action in trying to meet women, then you will never actually get laid because perfection is impossible to obtain. The only men who should wait before taking action in trying to meet women are those who are fat or simply so unattractive that even ugly women aren't attracted to them, but the average man, or even a lot of virgins on this forum are not unable to get laid if they actually try.

And you don't have to be a Pickup Artist, you can simply choose to focus on the women who give you strong prolonged eye contact, and doing so will extremely improve your success rate, and if you go out enough and look good enough, your opportunities will be nearly limitless, you will have so many phone numbers to setup dates with so many women, many of whom will lead to sex and fuckbuddy relationships. So, even when you're not O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski, you can still get laid fairly easily if you think of it in that manner.

Gymmaxxing on its own is pretty much worthless, don't be a gymcel.

 

[Deleted member 2275]

If you just lift weights and tell yourself that women will approach you or you are dumb enough to think that you are actually doing it for yourself, then yes it is cope.

If you do it because you want to be more attractive to then go out to meet and attract a higher quantity and a higher quality of women, then it is actually useful.

The best way to avoid becoming a gymcel is to not become so obsessed by the gym that you would sacrifice going out to make more gains.

Many men don't realize that they look their best when they are in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but then they become too old to successfully hookup with lots of women and by then it is too late since they cannot go back in time to fix their mistakes.
If you spend too much time improving yourself and aim for perfection before taking action in trying to meet women, then you will never actually get laid because perfection is impossible to obtain. The only men who should wait before taking action in trying to meet women are those who are fat or simply so unattractive that even ugly women aren't attracted to them, but the average man, or even a lot of virgins on this forum are not unable to get laid if they actually try.

And you don't have to be a Pickup Artist, you can simply choose to focus on the women who give you strong prolonged eye contact, and doing so will extremely improve your success rate, and if you go out enough and look good enough, your opportunities will be nearly limitless, you will have so many phone numbers to setup dates with so many women, many of whom will lead to sex and fuckbuddy relationships. So, even when you're not O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski, you can still get laid fairly easily if you think of it in that manner.

Gymmaxxing on its own is pretty much worthless, don't be a gymcel.

didnt read

 

[randomuser2407]

didnt read

 

[diggbicc]

"No face for your muscles bro"

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Legit thread tards here think dimorphism only applies to the face

 

[Kingkellz]

But if you have a bad face, bad frame, short height and bad muscle distribution/shape to begin with, it won't halo you at all.

True at that point one should gymcel for the health/aging/mental benefits listed in the op instead of the aesthetic/physical attraction benefits because it will barely be anything.

The reason I decided to make this post was to show that resistance training (lifting weights) has many other benefits besides becoming more physically attractive to women.
So even an extremely subhuman looking person can at least reap the health/aging/mental benefits even though it may do little to make him more attractive to women.

 

[volcelfatcel]

True at that point one should gymcel for the health/aging/mental benefits listed in the op instead of the aesthetic/physical attraction benefits because it will barely be anything.

The reason I decided to make this post was to show that resistance training (lifting weights) has many other benefits besides becoming more physically attractive to women.
So even an extremely subhuman looking person can at least reap the health/aging/mental benefits even though it may do little to make him more attractive to women.

I have seen several below average guys ascend via gymcelling and get a decent becky.
It's one of the most legit ascension ways unless you are literally deformed or extremely subpar like 3/10

 

[Chintuck22]

True at that point one should gymcel for the health/aging/mental benefits listed in the op instead of the aesthetic/physical attraction benefits because it will barely be anything.

The reason I decided to make this post was to show that resistance training (lifting weights) has many other benefits besides becoming more physically attractive to women.
So even an extremely subhuman looking person can at least reap the health/aging/mental benefits even though it may do little to make him more attractive to women.

Nice thread brother @Kingkellz. People who are not willing to put in the work for the gymming are lazy as fuck, the same stereotype of people claims that X thing is cope and that only hardcore surgery is the answer

Which is bullshit, imagine wasting your time in front of your computer while not trying to improve yourself in any way as possible:

💪 GYMCELLING - Women perceive the body THE SAME WAY WE DO + It's 100% LEGIT

⭐ GYMECELING IS LEGIT ⭐ 1) Countering the "muh gym is cope" It's common misconception that gymeceling doesn't work, and that "muh, face is everything.. You don't need to gymcel". If you have a good face, ignore my thread and Ill gladly get the fuck out. Your argument is retarded and made up...

looksmax.org

But muh chad doesn't have to move a finger... Yes but you are not chad, and you are still part of the competition so you may aswell do your best.


My point is that you can't complain about having a sub-par life if you haven't done everything possible to max out on your natural potential.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

They found that men who were able to do 40 push-ups or more had a 96 percent reduced risk of heart disease compared with men who could do less than 10 push-ups.

holy jesus

edit: well probably those who can do less than 10 are fat fucks though

 

[tyronelite]

@Kingkellz @Chintuck22 It amazes me how dudes here still complain about their options or lack of options when they haven’t even done the basics of looksmaxxing

Case Study: Take a look at this body builder Jesse James West. Average face with a great physique.



Dude has the most normie face you can think of imaginable. And he’s probably the best example considering he has the least aesthetic face in the fitness community

Autists here would tell him to rope in his before photo cuz he’s 3.33727455 PSL

“It’s over for this bug eyed potato face normie”

“6 PSL or nothing” blah blah blah

Yet his girlfriend looks like this



Excuses excuses excuses. Everyone wants a “Stacy” but nobody wants to put in the work because this mystical chad is taking all muh women

 

[zeke714]

Not cope if you have a normie face

 

[Deleted member 12669]

If you just lift weights and tell yourself that women will approach you or you are dumb enough to think that you are actually doing it for yourself, then yes it is cope.

If you do it because you want to be more attractive to then go out to meet and attract a higher quantity and a higher quality of women, then it is actually useful.

The best way to avoid becoming a gymcel is to not become so obsessed by the gym that you would sacrifice going out to make more gains.

Many men don't realize that they look their best when they are in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but then they become too old to successfully hookup with lots of women and by then it is too late since they cannot go back in time to fix their mistakes.
If you spend too much time improving yourself and aim for perfection before taking action in trying to meet women, then you will never actually get laid because perfection is impossible to obtain. The only men who should wait before taking action in trying to meet women are those who are fat or simply so unattractive that even ugly women aren't attracted to them, but the average man, or even a lot of virgins on this forum are not unable to get laid if they actually try.

And you don't have to be a Pickup Artist, you can simply choose to focus on the women who give you strong prolonged eye contact, and doing so will extremely improve your success rate, and if you go out enough and look good enough, your opportunities will be nearly limitless, you will have so many phone numbers to setup dates with so many women, many of whom will lead to sex and fuckbuddy relationships. So, even when you're not O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski, you can still get laid fairly easily if you think of it in that manner.

Gymmaxxing on its own is pretty much worthless, don't be a gymcel.

I read every single word

 

[randomuser2407]

@Kingkellz @Chintuck22 It amazes me how dudes here still complain about their options or lack of options when they haven’t even done the basics of looksmaxxing

Case Study: Take a look at this body builder Jesse James West. Average face with a great physique.

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Dude has the most normie face you can think of imaginable. And he’s probably the best example considering he has the least aesthetic face in the fitness community

Autists here would tell him to rope in his before photo cuz he’s 3.33727455 PSL

“It’s over for this bug eyed potato face normie”

“6 PSL or nothing” blah blah blah

Yet his girlfriend looks like this

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Excuses excuses excuses. Everyone wants a “Stacy” but nobody wants to put in the work because this mystical chad is taking all muh women

He has good genetics for bodybuilding or uses testosterone replacement therapy, just look at his before picture, he was already very muscular.

In my case, I was always skinny fat, my starting picture was me at 6 foot 4, 138 lbs with no abs.

Now I am 180 lbs with more ab definition but my muscles don't look much bigger, that is because my genetics for natty bodybuilding suck.

So for guys like me, we need steroids to achieve that same physique. I don't need to risk taking dangerous drugs like tren, dbol, or anavar, but I can get great results just by doing cycles of reasonable doses of testosterone. I think that a lot of men here are in the same boat as me so to speak, a lot of guys lack the testosterone levels required to build an impressive physique, not everyone is blessed with greek god physique genetics at birth.

For years, I thought that it was because I was doing something wrong when in reality, it was my bad genetics, either that or an unresolved hormonal issue. Soon, I will do blood tests to check if I do have hormonal issues, and if I end up finding that I am perfectly healthy, then testosterone replacement therapy will be the only solution for me to achieve a muscular ripped physique.

Everyone here who is truly a hardgainer who can't grow his muscles no matter how big he gets should do the exact same. First, check your hormonal levels, check if you have a common genetic birth defect in your family that prevents muscle building, and if you end up finding that you are healthy, then use a reasonable dose of testosterone replacement therapy (not 500mg per week, maybe 250mg or 300mg)

 

[Deleted member 7725]

If you just lift weights and tell yourself that women will approach you or you are dumb enough to think that you are actually doing it for yourself, then yes it is cope.

If you do it because you want to be more attractive to then go out to meet and attract a higher quantity and a higher quality of women, then it is actually useful.

The best way to avoid becoming a gymcel is to not become so obsessed by the gym that you would sacrifice going out to make more gains.

Many men don't realize that they look their best when they are in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but then they become too old to successfully hookup with lots of women and by then it is too late since they cannot go back in time to fix their mistakes.
If you spend too much time improving yourself and aim for perfection before taking action in trying to meet women, then you will never actually get laid because perfection is impossible to obtain. The only men who should wait before taking action in trying to meet women are those who are fat or simply so unattractive that even ugly women aren't attracted to them, but the average man, or even a lot of virgins on this forum are not unable to get laid if they actually try.

And you don't have to be a Pickup Artist, you can simply choose to focus on the women who give you strong prolonged eye contact, and doing so will extremely improve your success rate, and if you go out enough and look good enough, your opportunities will be nearly limitless, you will have so many phone numbers to setup dates with so many women, many of whom will lead to sex and fuckbuddy relationships. So, even when you're not O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski, you can still get laid fairly easily if you think of it in that manner.

Gymmaxxing on its own is pretty much worthless, don't be a gymcel.

If you lift weights for girls, you're not going to have the motivation to get gains. I lifted weights for sports and easily had to motivation to lift everyday.

 

[Deleted member 8165]

lets hope so

 

[Lars]

to all leanmaxxers here please get first some muscles when going under 14% i looked like utter shit when low bf + no muscle

(flexxed) now at the exact same weight i look like this now

(relaxed) now i am gonna leanbulk till new year because having 0 muscles legit looks bad

 

[tyronelite]

He has good genetics for bodybuilding or uses testosterone replacement therapy, just look at his before picture, he was already very muscular.

In my case, I was always skinny fat, my starting picture was me at 6 foot 4, 138 lbs with no abs.

Now I am 180 lbs with more ab definition but my muscles don't look much bigger, that is because my genetics for natty bodybuilding suck.

So for guys like me, we need steroids to achieve that same physique. I don't need to risk taking dangerous drugs like tren, dbol, or anavar, but I can get great results just by doing cycles of reasonable doses of testosterone. I think that a lot of men here are in the same boat as me so to speak, a lot of guys lack the testosterone levels required to build an impressive physique, not everyone is blessed with greek god physique genetics at birth.

For years, I thought that it was because I was doing something wrong when in reality, it was my bad genetics, either that or an unresolved hormonal issue. Soon, I will do blood tests to check if I do have hormonal issues, and if I end up finding that I am perfectly healthy, then testosterone replacement therapy will be the only solution for me to achieve a muscular ripped physique.

Everyone here who is truly a hardgainer who can't grow his muscles no matter how big he gets should do the exact same. First, check your hormonal levels, check if you have a common genetic birth defect in your family that prevents muscle building, and if you end up finding that you are healthy, then use a reasonable dose of testosterone replacement therapy (not 500mg per week, maybe 250mg or 300mg)

Problem is most guys don’t want to get a natty physique cuz they believe face is all that matters.

I’m just saying you can’t complain about lack of options when you haven’t finished the basics yet that’s all

 

[Blackgymmax]

Problem is most guys don’t want to get a natty physique cuz they believe face is all that matters.

I’m just saying you can’t complain about lack of options when you haven’t finished the basics yet that’s all

niggas are just lazy. any white guy who is above 4psl and hits the gym has infinite smv lmao

 

[randomuser2407]

If you lift weights for girls, you're not going to have the motivation to get gains. I lifted weights for sports and easily had to motivation to lift everyday.

Getting motivation to do it isn't so difficult if you learn to enjoy the process.

My point is that women are the main reason why guys want to get a muscular ripped physique but women don't have to be your only motivator.

Being muscular provides more benefits than just getting laid although that is the main benefit. Among those other benefits are:

1) Amazing strength which helps in physical labour jobs or just carrying heavy bags across long distances
2) Acquiring the respect of other men by looking more intimidating and better than the average man
3) All the physical health benefits that lifting weights provide (Helps to fight against heart disease, prevents osteoporosis, keeps you in great physical shape, and so on)
4) All the mental health benefits that lifting weights provide (Helps fighting against depression, anxiety, boredom, and so on)

And there are many more benefits of course.

I never said that the only benefit is getting laid more, but it is the main benefit.

Getting motivated is easy when you know of all the benefits and when getting laid is important to you, but the most helpful motivator is when you actually enjoy the process of pushing yourself and doing the same exercises over a long period of time as you watch both your strength and your body improve over time, that has always been my greatest motivator, not getting laid because for a long time, I thought that muscles weren't as important to attract women and of course, I was wrong.

 

[tyronelite]

niggas are just lazy. any white guy who is above 4psl and hits the gym has infinite smv lmao

MY NIGGA I NEED YOU TO SAY IT LOUDER IN THE BACK FOR ALL THE AUTISTS. I’VE SEEN THIS SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL

 

[randomuser2407]

Problem is most guys don’t want to get a natty physique cuz they believe face is all that matters.

I’m just saying you can’t complain about lack of options when you haven’t finished the basics yet that’s all

In my case, i don't lack options at all, I have so many options, I don't even need to get muscular to get laid but if I were gymmaxxed, then I would be fully looksmaxxed, which is why it is still important for me and because I actually enjoy the process.

The main problem that I have now is that my progress is slower than average, my stomach is often bloated for no valid reason and my muscles seem to get weaker when I try to gain strength, I never had this problem before though, so either I have developed a health issue over time, OR, I have bad genetics that respond poorly to training after a certain strength level. If my genetics are to blame, steroids will fix the issue. If my hormones is to blame, then medication will fix the issue. Either way, there will always be a solution to my problem, so I am not doomed to remain skinny fat forever.

 

[Blackgymmax]

MY NIGGA I NEED YOU TO SAY IT LOUDER IN THE BACK FOR ALL THE AUTISTS. I’VE SEEN THIS SINCE MIDDLE SCHOOL

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indeed. this is why i always tell ethnics to de ethnic themselves as much as possible, even over becoming objectively better looking lmao. just be white and youre fine

 

[tyronelite]

In my case, i don't lack options at all, I have so many options, I don't even need to get muscular to get laid but if I were gymmaxxed, then I would be fully looksmaxxed, which is why it is still important for me and because I actually enjoy the process.

The main problem that I have now is that my progress is slower than average, my stomach is often bloated for no valid reason and my muscles seem to get weaker when I try to gain strength, I never had this problem before though, so either I have developed a health issue over time, OR, I have bad genetics that respond poorly to training after a certain strength level. If my genetics are to blame, steroids will fix the issue. If my hormones is to blame, then medication will fix the issue. Either way, there will always be a solution to my problem, so I am not doomed to remain skinny fat forever.

Check out Renaissance periodization on YouTube. Great channel with lots of information

 

[randomuser2407]

Check out Renaissance periodization on YouTube. Great channel with lots of information

I know who Mike Israetel is since around 2018 after hearing about him from Jason Blaha:

 

[tyronelite]

indeed. this is why i always tell ethnics to de ethnic themselves as much as possible, even over becoming objectively better looking lmao. just be white and youre fine

My told me all white dudes gotta do is
~ be confident
~ have a beard
~ Wear Oakley shades
~ have some sort of hair

Boom you got yourself AT LEAST a Becky lmao

Btw when’s Toronto opening up? Clubs down here are open

 

[tyronelite]

I know who Mike Israetel is since around 2018 after hearing about him from Jason Blaha: https://www.instagram.com/rpdrmike/?hl=en

You have good taste my friend

 

[volcelfatcel]

Problem is most guys don’t want to get a natty physique cuz they believe face is all that matters.

I’m just saying you can’t complain about lack of options when you haven’t finished the basics yet that’s all

face matters the most, the blackpill in part is real but retards just go too far on certain things and ignore the rest.
Imagine if you had a 5psl face AND a good body, it would multiply your attractiveness
One should strive to max out everything

 

[Blackgymmax]

My told me all white dudes gotta do is
~ be confident
~ have a beard
~ Wear Oakley shades
~ have some sort of hair

Boom you got yourself AT LEAST a Becky lmao

indeed

Btw when’s Toronto opening up? Clubs down here are open

prob not for 2-3 more months lmao

 

[tyronelite]

face matters the most, the blackpill in part is real but retards just go too far on certain things and ignore the rest.
Imagine if you had a 5psl face AND a good body, it would multiply your attractiveness
One should strive to max out everything

I don’t believe in PSL

You’re either a 1 = she’s attracted to you
Or a 0 = she’s not attracted

All this fancy talk about PSL 4,5,6,7 is irrelevant especially when it comes from guys eating other guys.

 

[volcelfatcel]

I don’t believe in PSL

You’re either a 1 = she’s attracted to you
Or a 0 = she’s not attracted

All this fancy talk about PSL 4,5,6,7 is irrelevant especially when it comes from guys eating other guys.

Indeed I'm just specifying actual face ratings, if you have an objectively attractive face (good jaw, cheekbones, decent eyes) imagine the multiplier you'd get with a good body.

Copers here tunnel on ONE aspect and just fucking forget about everything else

 

[randomuser2407]

My told me all white dudes gotta do is
~ be confident
~ have a beard
~ Wear Oakley shades
~ have some sort of hair

Boom you got yourself AT LEAST a Becky lmao

Btw when’s Toronto opening up? Clubs down here are open

The advantage that black guys have is that some women have a BBC fetish and most of those women tend to be white.

You should really check out AdultFriendFinder. I know that there are lots of women on there who have (consenting) cuckold husbands who want a guy with a big dick (preferably black) to fuck their wife while they watch. There are so many cuckold couples, it is a very trendy fetish nowadays. A lot of couples like that are older but some are in their late teens or early 20s, you can best find them online, either on Reddit or on dating sites like AdultFriendFinder. If you would like to dominate beta providers, that is the best way to do it. And if you don't want them to watch, you can have the guy wait outside the room or do it remotely even or have him not involved at all.

This is like sleeping with someone's girlfriend/wife but without the consequences because they know about it.

The only ethnicity of women that seems to dislike black men are asian women since they have a strong preference for white men on average.

Also, although some white women have a fetish for black guys, no white women have a fetish for white guys since that is what they are used to. So, for the white women who like black guys, those guys have an advantage but white guys have the advantage with asian women and they have broader appeal with white women.

The only men who are at a massive disadvantage due to their ethnicity are indian men.
Asian men too are at a disadvantage because their own kind prefers white men, and white women prefer white men on average.
But asian men still appeal to a lot of white women, especially when they are looksmaxxed, that is the case for my sister's boyfriend, he is Chinese but gymmaxxed (not huge by any means but he looks very fit and he is 6 feet tall while she is 5 foot 4).

 

[tyronelite]

Indeed I'm just specifying actual face ratings, if you have an objectively attractive face (good jaw, cheekbones, decent eyes) imagine the multiplier you'd get with a good body.

Copers here tunnel on ONE aspect and just fucking forget about everything else

That is true. What I’ve also noticed is a lot of the young guys just want validation for being “PSL __” & assuming women will just start approaching them left & right. Unrealistic standards.

But at the same time remember being too good looking ( face & body ) is a gift and a curse cuz you’ll also have a lot of chicks who don’t want to deal with you assuming you’re a player, you’ll cheat, blah blah blah whatever insecurities they have

 

[tyronelite]

The advantage that black guys have is that some women have a BBC fetish and most of those women tend to be white.

You should really check out AdultFriendFinder. I know that there are lots of women on there who have (consenting) cuckold husbands who want a guy with a big dick (preferably black) to fuck their wife while they watch. There are so many cuckold couples, it is a very trendy fetish nowadays. A lot of couples like that are older but some are in their late teens or early 20s, you can best find them online, either on Reddit or on dating sites like AdultFriendFinder. If you would like to dominate beta providers, that is the best way to do it. And if you don't want them to watch, you can have the guy wait outside the room or do it remotely even or have him not involved at all.

This is like sleeping with someone's girlfriend/wife but without the consequences because they know about it.

The only ethnicity of women that seems to dislike black men are asian women since they have a strong preference for white men on average.

Also, although some white women have a fetish for black guys, no white women have a fetish for white guys since that is what they are used to. So, for the white women who like black guys, those guys have an advantage but white guys have the advantage with asian women and they have broader appeal with white women.

The only men who are at a massive disadvantage due to their ethnicity are indian men.
Asian men too are at a disadvantage because their own kind prefers white men, and white women prefer white men on average.
But asian men still appeal to a lot of white women, especially when they are looksmaxxed, that is the case for my sister's boyfriend, he is Chinese but gymmaxxed (not huge by any means but he looks very fit and he is 6 feet tall while she is 5 foot 4).

Yeah I’ve rarely dealt with chicks who saw me as a fetish & if she did I just keep her as a fuck buddy.

The girls I go for are the white guys want to date. As a black guy dating bottom of the barrel of other races makes us look worse as a whole

And I’ve tried AFF but it’s terrible in my city. I have a low population. I’d need to move to a bigger city especially for Tinder & bumble

 

[oldcelloser]

Many men don't realize that they look their best when they are in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but then they become too old to successfully hookup with lots of women and by then it is too late since they cannot go back in time to fix their mistakes.

this is me right now i pretty much cope with the fact that Chads here dont seem to slay above 5/10s regularly, nor do Chads i know, who are even younger than me and have good body ( its very very hard to slay 8/10s regularly).
Plus i will enter into a good career soon and have the option to SEA maxx as i like asian women
these are my copes

 

[Marsiere214]

being masculine is good but i think being too masculine (roids)
is unattractive


(didnt read the whole thing)

 

[1046190]

This is the kind of stuff I lay down on people who say weightlifting or leg training in particular is cope, the body will never be as important as face for your looks, but it is still important, and beyond that it keeps you healthy in the body and the mind so its really a win win situation. There is zero negative.

I think if you already have height and then workout for a better body, you can be haloed. If you’re short and work out, it’s not going to be as important as face, but it’s still beneficial since it improves your health, builds confidence and makes you more generally attractive.

 

[Deleted member 12344]

If you just lift weights and tell yourself that women will approach you or you are dumb enough to think that you are actually doing it for yourself, then yes it is cope.

If you do it because you want to be more attractive to then go out to meet and attract a higher quantity and a higher quality of women, then it is actually useful.

The best way to avoid becoming a gymcel is to not become so obsessed by the gym that you would sacrifice going out to make more gains.

Many men don't realize that they look their best when they are in their 20s and sometimes even early 30s, but then they become too old to successfully hookup with lots of women and by then it is too late since they cannot go back in time to fix their mistakes.
If you spend too much time improving yourself and aim for perfection before taking action in trying to meet women, then you will never actually get laid because perfection is impossible to obtain. The only men who should wait before taking action in trying to meet women are those who are fat or simply so unattractive that even ugly women aren't attracted to them, but the average man, or even a lot of virgins on this forum are not unable to get laid if they actually try.

And you don't have to be a Pickup Artist, you can simply choose to focus on the women who give you strong prolonged eye contact, and doing so will extremely improve your success rate, and if you go out enough and look good enough, your opportunities will be nearly limitless, you will have so many phone numbers to setup dates with so many women, many of whom will lead to sex and fuckbuddy relationships. So, even when you're not O Pry, Gandy or Lachowski, you can still get laid fairly easily if you think of it in that manner.

Gymmaxxing on its own is pretty much worthless, don't be a gymcel.

Women want a hunters physique (very lean) too much muscle is cope indeed

 

[Deleted member 12344]

Legit thread tards here think dimorphism only applies to the face

It applies body too but just having a slightly muscular and lean upper body is enough for that.
Women want this:

Not this:

 

[randomuser2407]

It applies body too but just having a slightly muscular and lean upper body is enough for that.
Women want this:
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Not this:
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That is actually false. The more muscle you have the better, as long as you are proportional.
Arnold Schwarzenegger proved it and he talked in his autobiography about how his muscles made it extremely easy for him to attract women even when he wasn't famous.

Henry Cavill looks more attractive to women in the witcher than in Immortals because he is more muscular.
Do you really think Freya Allan would have looked at him the same way if he was as skinny as in Immortals? Definitely not.

 

[wristcel]

@Kingkellz @Chintuck22 It amazes me how dudes here still complain about their options or lack of options when they haven’t even done the basics of looksmaxxing

Case Study: Take a look at this body builder Jesse James West. Average face with a great physique.

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Dude has the most normie face you can think of imaginable. And he’s probably the best example considering he has the least aesthetic face in the fitness community

Autists here would tell him to rope in his before photo cuz he’s 3.33727455 PSL

“It’s over for this bug eyed potato face normie”

“6 PSL or nothing” blah blah blah

Yet his girlfriend looks like this

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Excuses excuses excuses. Everyone wants a “Stacy” but nobody wants to put in the work because this mystical chad is taking all muh women

 

[tyronelite]

His face is so punchable

 

[Deleted member 9568]

it's prob the worst cope as an framecel, your better of just sticking to bodyweight.