Is our real problem low exposure to girls rather than low looks?

[Deleted member 19445]

Idk where you're from, but I have seen jacked manlets my height pull at clubs. Clubs are pure primal enviros, not for non-primal types like me

I’m from north UK and I’ve been clubbing more than 200 times. Jacked guys are rare and girls seem to be repulsed by this type.

 

[Moggie]

I’m from north UK and I’ve been clubbing more than 200 times. Jacked guys are rare and girls seem to be repulsed by this type.

Is ottermode / athletic ideal? Tbh I expected gymcels to be more popular in Northern England as it is more working class.

 

[Deleted member 19445]

Is ottermode / athletic ideal?

Lean is everything. Muscle mass doesn’t matter except to a niche

 

[Chadethnic101]

What is your advice to people who are still studying, spend extra time finishing the degree?

If you are at uni you need to be part of a society, something where there will be many women such as a sports society, rave society etc- obvs make it something you enjoy too

You will meet many girls that way through different party's etc, probs the best way
If you look good it'll be easy work ngl

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

I’m from north UK and I’ve been clubbing more than 200 times. Jacked guys are rare and girls seem to be repulsed by this type.

Girls aren’t repulsed by jacked guys unless by jacked you mean literal bodybuilder

 

[Deleted member 2382]

When I worked as a bouncer I would often be exposed to hundreds of women per night
I would take it as a win if one approached and complimented me but when you look at the overall percentage of girls that were willing to approach it's still miniscule
In one venue I worked that had waitresses and other foid staff it felt like an outer body experience when girls with faces that I consider ideal began treating me with respect and asking how I was and offering to get a drink for me
There is no other circumstance where girls like that would acknowledge my existence, yet in this venue, many of the best looking girls did just that

If I was waiting at a bus stop with those exact same girls and they didn't know me, none of them would look in my direction

 

[Deleted member 15674]

I’m from north UK and I’ve been clubbing more than 200 times. Jacked guys are rare and girls seem to be repulsed by this type.

he wasn't jacked like a bodybuilder, but he wasn't a DYEL. He was my height and I shit you not, I saw 2 girls dancing on him and feeling his arms - this was at uni

 

[Moggie]

When I worked as a bouncer I would often be exposed to hundreds of women per night
I would take it as a win if one approached and complimented me but when you look at the overall percentage of girls that were willing to approach it's still miniscule
In one venue I worked that had waitresses and other foid staff it felt like an outer body experience when girls with faces that I consider ideal began treating me with respect and asking how I was and offering to get a drink for me
There is no other circumstance where girls like that would acknowledge my existence, yet in this venue, many of the best looking girls did just that

If I was waiting at a bus stop with those exact same girls and they didn't know me, none of them would look in my direction

What did you observe, who was having success in the clubs?

 

[Deleted member 2381]

I’m from north UK and I’ve been clubbing more than 200 times. Jacked guys are rare and girls seem to be repulsed by this type.

I disagree tbh
Especially if you have a good face

The most success I ever had was as a bloated gymcel with size

girls used to approach me out of nowhere and grope my arms and chest

like this size

 

[Moggie]

he wasn't jacked like a bodybuilder, but he wasn't a DYEL. He was my height and I shit you not, I saw 2 girls dancing on him and feeling his arms - this was at uni

This does not mean shit, they felt his arms as hes ripped but did you see him leave with them or head to the toilets with them?

 

[Deleted member 19445]

If you are at uni you need to be part of a society, something where there will be many women such as a sports society, rave society etc- obvs make it something you enjoy too

You will meet many girls that way through different party's etc, probs the best way
If you look good it'll be easy work ngl

Having female friends is good too. They will introduce you to freinds and acquaintances. Bonus if the freind is hot because their freinds and acquaintances will be hot too. Plus social proof.

Girls aren’t repulsed by jacked guys unless by jacked you mean literal bodybuilder

They treat them with disdain. Even in my experience I do better in a hoodie than a t shirt

 

[Deleted member 18840]

In one venue I worked that had waitresses and other foid staff it felt like an outer body experience when girls with faces that I consider ideal began treating me with respect and asking how I was and offering to get a drink for me

Wasnt it because you worked in the same club?

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Having female friends is good too. They will introduce you to freinds and acquaintances. Bonus if the freind is hot because their freinds and acquaintances will be hot too. Plus social proof.

They treat them with distain. Even in my experience I do better in a hoodie than a t shirt

I have had a polar opposite experience - I also live in North UK

 

[Johnnybegood]

no wingman for face

You have one of the most coveted PSL traits which is a compact midface and almond eye shape. You just need to lose weight, you're fat. No offense

 

[Deleted member 18931]

You have one of the most coveted PSL traits which is a compact midface and almond eye shape. You just need to lose weight, you're fat. No offense

did i message you my face? i don't remember tbh cause i delete pms after they're done

 

[Deleted member 18840]

They treat them with distain. Even in my experience I do better in a hoodie than a t shirt

Its all about looking fit. Gymaxxers are cringe its usually rtt, over showing try hard personnality so i can understand it makes sense. Its just good imo for uggos who had 0
Niche, for rtt opens a niche even for subhumans.

 

[Moggie]

I also live in North UK

Dunno if you mean Northern England or Scotland my g

 

[Deleted member 18840]

I disagree tbh
Especially if you have a good face

The most success I ever had was as a bloated gymcel with size

girls used to approach me out of nowhere and grope my arms and chest

like this size

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You don’t have the rtt looks. Its usually guys with lots of tattos and some very flashy way of clothing. You basically look fit and proper looking. Which is good

 

[Johnnybegood]

Yeah 100%, especially if the girl is drunk

I've never cold approached sober girls during the day though so idk about that

Anyone that thinks cold approach is harder than OLD never stepped foot outside of their basements. I lost my virginity in college with literally the first girl i cold approached at a college bar (not lying i just lucked out). She was a slim MTB.

I'm not a chad, i just have a normal face and was very low inhib that night, even offered free palm readings to her friends lmfao

 

[Moggie]

Its all about looking fit. Gymaxxers are cringe its usually rtt, over showing try hard personnality so i can understand it makes sense. Its just good imo for uggos who had 0
Niche, for rtt opens a niche even for subhumans.

It is because it has to look 'effortless' you achieve this with a good frame opening up the ability to flex physique rather than walking around in a tank top 24 / 7

 

[Johnnybegood]

did i message you my face? i don't remember tbh cause i delete pms after they're done

Yes you did

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Dunno if you mean Northern England or Scotland my g

Northern England but girls being attracted to lean muscular men is universal - JFL if you actually believe this dad bod shit

Anywhere else on the internet this is common sense- only on this forum is whether gymcelling gives you an SMV boost even debated

 

[Deleted member 18840]

It is because it has to look 'effortless' you achieve this with a good frame opening up the ability to flex physique rather than walking around in a tank top 24 / 7

Yes they usually wear tanktop, beard, overly tanned, and tattoed to death

 

[Deleted member 18931]

Yes you did

yeah im bloated asf skinny fat. probs take me 2 months to lean down but I'm slowly getting there

 

[Moggie]

Northern England but girls being attracted to lean muscular men is universal - JFL if you actually believe this dad bod shit

Tiktok / pretty boy pheno disproves dad bod, skinny mogs being fat but being muscular is still a benefit and ideal.

 

[Deleted member 15674]

This does not mean shit, they felt his arms as hes ripped but did you see him leave with them or head to the toilets with them?

they were willing to fuck, but he said no. He had a gf

 

[Moggie]

they were willing to fuck, but he said no. He had a gf

 

[Deleted member 2382]

Wasnt it because you worked in the same club?

Some foid staff went out of their way to speak to me while some never acknowledged me
There was one girl with what I consider a 99th percentile face who spoke to me every time she seen me
The point I'm making is that a girl like that never treated me as a human before, partially because of lack of exposure to attractive girls who seen me multiple times per week.
I worked in a shop with 7 sub4 foids in the deli and none of them made any effort to speak to me in the same manner

All that matters is exposure to attractive girls, preferably over an extended period of time

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Some foid staff went out of their way to speak to me while some never acknowledged me
There was one girl with what I consider a 99th percentile face who spoke to me every time she seen me
The point I'm making is that a girl like that never treated me as a human before, partially because of lack of exposure to attractive girls who seen me multiple times per week.
I worked in a shop with 7 sub4 foids in the deli and none of them made any effort to speak to me in the same manner

All that matters is exposure to attractive girls, preferably over an extended period of time

I absolutely totally agree. Issue is how

 

[Moggie]

Some foid staff went out of their way to speak to me while some never acknowledged me
There was one girl with what I consider a 99th percentile face who spoke to me every time she seen me
The point I'm making is that a girl like that never treated me as a human before, partially because of lack of exposure to attractive girls who seen me multiple times per week.
I worked in a shop with 7 sub4 foids in the deli and none of them made any effort to speak to me in the same manner

All that matters is exposure to attractive girls, preferably over an extended period of time

Legit this sounds like irl subliminals jfl

 

[Moggie]

I absolutely totally agree. Issue is how

Horse races

 

[Deleted member 18931]

Legit this sounds like irl subliminals jfl

go to sleep bro it's 12:30am

 

[Moggie]

go to sleep bro it's 12:30am

 

[Deleted member 15674]

Legit this sounds like irl subliminals jfl

Mere-exposure effect - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 19445]

You could get a job where you have an excuse to talk to girls. Nightclub promoter or personal trainer even retail work or working in a local shop and talking to people outside while you smoke. Even bouncer as aforementioned. You’re exposed to more women.

Then just talk to girls and flirt and if they seem reciprocative you can get details and set up dates.

This way it’s not overt and they won’t reject you on the spot and you can personality max

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

You could get a job where you have an excuse to talk to girls. Nightclub promoter or personal trainer even retail work or working in a local shop and talking to people outside while you smoke. Even bouncer as aforementioned. You’re exposed to more women.

Then just talk to girls and flirt and if they seem reciprocative you can get details and set up dates.

This way it’s not overt and they won’t reject you on the spot and you can personality max

I already have a career tho- as an officecel

 

[Curry Suicide]

foids only want chad

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

foids only want chad

Go outside and there are no chads- Yet every normie has a gf?

 

[Curry Suicide]

Go outside and there are no chads- Yet every normie has a gf?

foids only want chad but chad wont commit so the girls get a normie bf they dont love. The normies are getting cucked and treated like shit and the foid is cheating on them witch chad

 

[thereallegend]

Yeah its ridiculous to suggest people act the same in tesco as they would in a nightclub.

Even men act differently. Men are a lot more loose and relaxed and chilled out in a club because that is what that specific environment asks of you. In a store, men are running around daft trying to buy food and arent paying any attention to women.

I think people would be surprised how open a lot of girls are to a warm approach in a supermarket or something like that, something casual like asking her if what she is putting in her basket is actually tasty cuz you wanted to try it or something. Nothing too 'full on' just casual conversation that may lead to getting to know one another.

A lot of girls are very lonely in that department, people don't speak to them unless they are in a sexual environment like some nightclub

Women have brutally rejected so many men, so alotta men stopped approaching.

Thoughts?

 

[wristcel]

I meant to say this IS my experience btw

Hmmm yeah I was actually considering kebab shop game recently - the only person I ever met on this forum who reports good success cold approaching in the Uk as a normie is @wristcel - he must have some hidden secrets were al missing.

Or maybe it’s an environment thing I think clubs are the worst, bars and pubs are probably more fruitful

I would NOT say i have 'good success', tbh lol. I wish!

I have banged a good handful of girls who are out of my league (posted so of their pics in my threads) although don't forget that i'm still getting rejected for fun out there by these girls! I played extreme numbers game for quite a few years when i was heavy on the PUA stuff. And often rejected by girls who aren't even very hot. Last night I approached a 5 who was part of a hen night out thinking she'd at least be in a fun social mood, and she just basically stuck her palm in my face and told me 'not interested' or something and looked at me like i was on fire and backed off after i said 'hi'! lol. Killed my vibe for the next hour!

Part of UK matters. Up north you can expect way better reactions.

I'm a little outside of London and would honestly say i'm playing on extreme hard mode. Girls are rude as fuck and just unapproachable in general here. Although there's a tonne of what i consider hot girls in my particular town (again, posted loads of their pics) which is actually frustrating

In terms of location, bars and pubs are definitely a better bet than actual clubs and stuff i'd say

I personally don't think i've had any pulls playing the kebab house route lol. Have definitely tried though! Only one i can think of is i approached a girl outside the kebab place and ended up getting her number and she sent me nudes, but she had a fiance and nothing ended up happening.

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

If everytime i left my basement i would meet JBs on the street i would definitely not be on here

But i live in a small village so i am locationcel

 

[Afrikancel]

If you’re barely ever to exposed to girls to meet irl what’s the chances of finding a girl to date? Maybe this our problem rather than looks

Exposure pill is underrated

 

[Deleted member 18840]

Only one i can think of is i approached a girl outside the kebab place and ended up getting her number and she sent me nudes, but she had a fiance and nothing ended up happening.

Lol at females

 

[wristcel]

If everytime i left my basement i would meet JBs on the street i would definitely not be on here

But i live in a small village so i am locationcel

i see fairly attractive girls everytime i leave the house (at least to my tastes) and it's just frustrating lol

 

[PubertyMaxxer]

i see fairly attractive girls everytime i leave the house (at least to my tastes) and it's just frustrating lol

Where do you live? In a big 1M+ City?

 

[wristcel]

Where do you live? In a big 1M+ City?

100,000 UK town lol.
There just seems to be cute girls everywhere here. Which sounds great, but it's just frustrating tbh.
Something in the water!

 

[Virgin at 29 😔]

Hostel is probably the most optimal environment in the world for a normie-ish guy to meet girls and slay.

Tbf the only tricky part is finding an actual place to bang maybe a bit awkward but I regularly got with girls I met in the hostels when we all went out as a group. I even had a 3way make out with two girls from my hostel in split- no way on earth would a normie like me get that from random cold approach

U go to hostels in your city and larp as tourist?

 

[thereallegend]

UK dating isn't even like how americans do it. Most people are only dating 1 person at a time, they know from work or social circle and have a BS talking stage, then eventually end up fucking and a relationship is just built off there. If you see ugly guy with hot girl, it's from work or social circle, not the club.

Interesting, every good looking + NT person here in America is talking to and possibly fucking a dozen people.

Good looking , non-sociable young ppl are usually in relationships.

NT but ugly people are friendzoned or oofy doofies

Non NT ugly are truecels.

 

[thereallegend]

When I worked as a bouncer I would often be exposed to hundreds of women per night
I would take it as a win if one approached and complimented me but when you look at the overall percentage of girls that were willing to approach it's still miniscule
In one venue I worked that had waitresses and other foid staff it felt like an outer body experience when girls with faces that I consider ideal began treating me with respect and asking how I was and offering to get a drink for me
There is no other circumstance where girls like that would acknowledge my existence, yet in this venue, many of the best looking girls did just that

If I was waiting at a bus stop with those exact same girls and they didn't know me, none of them would look in my direction

That's a social status pill for your ass

Status is often context dependent.