Is this rape?

[sickdawgie]

you didn't even answer my question

If you meant you're about to cum and dont want to pull out even though she said no then you are raping her

 

[Deleted member 67900]

If you meant you're about to cum and dont want to pull out even though she said no then you are raping her

Can you read? I said while im cumming

 

[Deleted member 67900]

it's not a dogwhistle dude.. i'm simply telling you to stay on her good side because if she decides she hates you in the future she can ruin ur life

oh you mean not doing things she doesnt like,

nah who cares, all famous actors and celebrities are accused of raping women, nothing unheard of.

 

[sickdawgie]

Can you read? I said while im cumming

ok. My orginial question answered u. It's not that complicated. If she said no while you are cumming and you pull out. It doesn't matter that you were cumming. You still must pull out

 

[sickdawgie]

was she drunk when it happened

if so, she might not remember in which case you''re good

Read the thread he said it was hypothetical. He's just being stupid anyways.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

ok. My orginial question answered u. It's not that complicated. If she said no while you are cumming and you pull out. It doesn't matter that you were cumming. You still must pull out

The intensity of an orgasm can impair your reaction to it

you also dont answer questions with questions, but statements.

 

[Deleted member 65414]

It was rape at first but then she was okay with it after so you're good but she can easily get some money out of it if she wants to it'll be easy as shit to change up the story you gotta call Jayoma

 

[Deleted member 67900]

was she drunk when it happened

if so, she might not remember in which case you''re good

I already said like two times, this is hypothetical.

Because I want someone to explain to me what rape means, I don't know what it is.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

It was rape at first but then she was okay with it after so you're good but she can easily get some money out of it if she wants to it'll be easy as shit to change up the story you gotta call Jayoma

Rape is incredibly hard to prove in court

Just saying "this guy raped me" won't cut it.

 

[sickdawgie]

The intensity of an orgasm can impair your reaction to it

you also dont answer questions with questions, but statements.

I mean it's a pretty unreasonable request from her side, idk you just do your best

 

[Deleted member 67900]

I mean it's a pretty unreasonable request from her side, idk you just do your best

and who is exactly the arbiter of whether you tried your best to stop?

Not to mention my original point was whether what constitutes rape is a single instance of lack of consent because there are loopholes in that logic.

 

[Deleted member 31072]

nah women cant just get you to jail for testimony

 

[Deleted member 67900]

you know what this is good,

if you get convicted of rape, just play dumb and tell them you don't know what rape means

I guess we're in the same boat brother, because you haven't explained to me what it is either and instead advised that I talk to lawyers.

 

[Deleted member 65414]

Rape is incredibly hard to prove in court

Just saying "this guy raped me" won't cut it.

Depends on the lawers and how much evidence there would be

 

[Deleted member 67900]

jlf in this gynocentric society we live in it acc could

Uh no.

"He said She said" court cases always have dropped charges, 99.995% of the time.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

Depends on the lawers and how much evidence there would be

so im asking what evidence would show rape, aka what is rape

 

[sickdawgie]

and who is exactly the arbiter of whether you tried your best to stop?

Not to mention my original point was whether what constitutes rape is a single instance of lack of consent because there are loopholes in that logic.

A jury of your peers ig? I mean i'd be pissed at being accused of rape when a woman consented to sex and was having sex with me upto a point, don't think that is fair. Rape is forcing yourself on them. Ig you are sorta at the whims of the woman, but that is the risk you take to get poon

 

[Deleted member 67900]

having sex with a girl without her consent

So what if she says

"No dont put it in yet"

and immediately after, like half a second she says

"Actually put it in"

I understand that in court, there is no objective set time limit for how long it takes for you to not obey which would classify you as a rapist, it's usually observation based on reasonable doubt under the jury, however, if your definition is "sex when no consent" that has loopholes like the one i just showed.


And rape doesnt have such loopholes, because the analogy could not apply.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

A jury of your peers ig? I mean i'd be pissed at being accused of rape when a woman consented to sex and was having sex with me upto a point, don't think that is fair. Rape is forcing yourself on them. Ig you are sorta at the whims of the woman, but that is the risk you take to get poon

Sure but, why is it up to the jury then to say that a woman has been raped if, at some point during sex she says that she doesnt want it anymore, but then sometime during it she says she likes it.

Because the women would disagree, and she can only disagree if she agreed with sex, aka she asked for it to happen

 

[Deleted member 65414]

so im asking what evidence would show rape, aka what is rape

DNA, search warrant, pattern of behavior, hair and consent

 

[sickdawgie]

Sure but, why is it up to the jury then to say that a woman has been raped if, at some point during sex she says that she doesnt want it anymore, but then sometime during it she says she likes it.

Because the women would disagree, and she can only disagree if she agreed with sex, aka she asked for it to happen

There would be a timeline of events, she did ask intially, but then asked for it to stop. It's about if he stopped afterwards. Jury of peers would sort out all the "but I was mid cum bro" shit.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

DNA, search warrant, pattern of behavior, hair and consent

Im specifically focusing on consent

So consent is a part of whether it is rape

how is consent used to determine whether a woman has been raped?

 

[greycel]

Can't any girl just lie about it either way.
I understand what @n9wiff is saying, but unless there is physical evidence present of her not wanting to, then she could've falsely accused you either way.. even if she was initially showing signals in person.
So, assuming no physical proof, she can she she wants to in person and then you do it then she accuses you. Or she can say she doesn't want to in person and then you do it then she accuses you.

So, best to not think abou it and don't do it again. Like @n9wiff said, don't get on her bad side.. and ideally just forget about all this short term hooking up stuff and look for a wife.

 

[Deleted member 65414]

Im specifically focusing on consent

So consent is a part of whether it is rape

how is consent used to determine whether a woman has been raped?

Well if a woman says no then it's already rape but if she changes her mind and likes it then she can decide that it isn't but if a woman is pushing and kicking and fighting a man off of her then it definitely is rape

 

[Deleted member 45794]

and ideally just forget about all this short term hooking up stuff and look for a wife.

Good stuff

 

[Deleted member 67900]

There would be a timeline of events, she did ask intially, but then asked for it to stop. It's about if he stopped afterwards. Jury of peers would sort out all the "but I was mid cum bro" shit.

Can't any girl just lie about it either way.
I understand what @n9wiff is saying, but unless there is physical evidence present of her not wanting to, then she could've falsely accused you either way.. even if she was initially showing signals in person.
So, assuming no physical proof, she can she she wants to in person and then you do it then she accuses you. Or she can say she doesn't want to in person and then you do it then she accuses you.

So, best to not think abou it and don't do it again. Like @n9wiff said, don't get on her bad side.. and ideally just forget about all this short term hooking up stuff and look for a wife.

If rape is defined as the instance, even just one, of her clearly saying no but you keep going.

Then wouldn't it be absurd to say that a woman has been raped if she later changes her mind on it like that happens in states which dont press the charges themselves necessarily?

Most people who think "rape" dont include the complexity of the woman changing her mind, but rather not wanting it.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

So let's say I fucked this girl, I rip her pants off p in the v whatever, she says no im like shut up bitch, I cum and do my thing, then she says actually she liked it and yeah.

Would this still be rape? If so is it based?

Coercion rape pretty sure, unless it’s a CNC kink you guys have.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

Well if a woman says no then it's already rape but if she changes her mind and likes it then she can decide that it isn't but if a woman is pushing and kicking and fighting a man off of her then it definitely is rape

Okay, but it is not mutually exclusive for her to do the kicking pushing squirming and then say she likes it, correct?

 

[Deleted member 67900]

Coercion rape yes, unless it’s a CNC kink you guys have.

It's not necessarily coercion.

Prove that it is.

 

[sickdawgie]

If rape is defined as the instance, even just one, of her clearly saying no but you keep going.

Then wouldn't it be absurd to say that a woman has been raped if she later changes her mind on it like that happens in states which dont press the charges themselves necessarily?

Most people who think "rape" dont include the complexity of the woman changing her mind, but rather not wanting it.

It doesn't necessarily matter if the girl decided she liked getting raped. She still got raped, guess she has a rape fetish. Also they still commited a crime + might do it to others who won't change their mind

 

[Deleted member 65414]

Okay, but it is not mutually exclusive for her to do the kicking pushing squirming and then say she likes it, correct?

yes

 

[Deleted member 67900]

There would be a timeline of events, she did ask intially, but then asked for it to stop. It's about if he stopped afterwards. Jury of peers would sort out all the "but I was mid cum bro" shit.

Yes but, you are not filling the entire picture.

Not only did he not stop after she asked him to initially, but then her request loses importance if she changes her mind, which you did not mention, yes?

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

It's not necessarily coercion.

Prove that it is.

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

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Don’t know your whole context — But based on what you said you told her to basically “shut up and take it”

Idk if she let you out of fear of threatening or not but she still said no and you persisted to have sex

 

[Deleted member 67900]

It doesn't necessarily matter if the girl decided she liked getting raped. She still got raped, guess she has a rape fetish. Also they still commited a crime + might do it to others who won't change their mind

If she has a rape fetish am I not doing her a favour then?

If I'm doing her a favour, it must be consensual yes?

 

[Deleted member 67900]

yes

Ok, so it if is not mutually exclusive for a woman to do the squirming shit but then change her mind, then why would the former "definitely make it rape" as you said ad verbatim?

 

[sickdawgie]

If she has a rape fetish am I not doing her a favour then?

If I'm doing her a favour, it must be consensual yes?

rape is rape tho. which was ur question

 

[Deleted member 67900]

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This isn't from a jurisdiction/constitution of any country, it's an unsubstantiated article written by whoever.

It won't always be assumed as coercion because the burden of proof would be on the prosecutor to prove, beyond reasonable doubt, that it was coercion.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

Don’t know your whole context — But based on what you said you told her to basically “shut up and take it”

Idk if she let you out of fear of threatening or not but she still said no and you persisted to have sex

"she still said no"

But she still said yes, rape is defined as non-consensual sex, her saying yes changes the dynamic yes?

 

[Deleted member 65414]

Ok, so it if is not mutually exclusive for a woman to do the squirming shit but then change her mind, then why would the former "definitely make it rape" as you said ad verbatim?

Is it a random woman or is it someone known for a while

 

[Deleted member 67900]

rape is rape tho. which was ur question

No, my question wasn't asking whether you can verify the tautology "is rape, rape".

Obviously it is, that's the first principle of logic, identity.

I'm asking what characterizes rape, and specifically, to repeat for your memoryless brain, why a woman later on changing her mind after initially saying no does not change the dynamic of the sex being considered rape.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

Is it a random woman or is it someone known for a while

Either one, tell me how that matters anyway as to why my hypothetical scenario is rape.

 

[sickdawgie]

No, my question wasn't asking whether you can verify the tautology "is rape, rape".

Obviously it is, that's the first principle of logic, identity.

I'm asking what characterizes rape, and specifically, to repeat for your memoryless brain, why a woman later on changing her mind after initially saying no does not change the dynamic of the sex being considered rape.

idk I made my point. and u kinda agreed you were like so when I raped her I helped her rape fetish. So rape occurred regardless of if she decided later on she liked it im done

 

[greycel]

If rape is defined as the instance, even just one, of her clearly saying no but you keep going.

Then wouldn't it be absurd to say that a woman has been raped if she later changes her mind on it like that happens in states which dont press the charges themselves necessarily?

Most people who think "rape" dont include the complexity of the woman changing her mind, but rather not wanting it.

I'm not arguing over the semantics of what consitutes rape as rape.
I'm saying that either way it wouldn't matter, because in the eyes of the law the woman can either lie or tell the truth about the encounter, and they will both be equally as sturdy arguments (given that physical proof is not present).

But for the sake of your question, the answer would factor in a lot of stuff. It is largely subjective, and the inital consent is most important.. then if what you were doing was roleplay/ or not, whether there were safe words involved, how long it took for you to react to it, when she decided to speak up, the personality/past of the "perpetrator", the severity of the effect it had on the "victim" etc etc
A jury would often come to a conclusion.

Mike Tyson is an interesting example. A woman goes up alone, at 3am to his door, to what? Talk?
But Mike Tyson's image is of a "big, scary monster, capable of destruction" and very forward and agressive. She managed to frame him, and he had to suffer time in jail as a result of it.
I guarantee you that if he had the stature of a frail, young man; the jury would've come to the consensus that he was innocent.
It worked out for him.. nobody really believes her (he didn't lose out on any brand deals/promotions/fights), and if anything Iron Mike out of prison boosted his career to new heights.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

idk I made my point. and u kinda agreed you were like so when I raped her I helped her rape fetish. So rape occurred regardless of if she decided later on she liked it im done

My point was, to repeat.

That If I satisfy her rape fetish, as you call it, then I did not even rape her, yet you're saying I am.

 

[sickdawgie]

My point was, to repeat.

That If I satisfy her rape fetish, as you call it, then I did not even rape her, yet you're saying I am.

ok well I disagree. If there was no agreement to satisfy her rape fetish it's rape. I disagree ok!

 

[liberiangrimreaper]

"she still said no"

But she still said yes, rape is defined as non-consensual sex, her saying yes changes the dynamic yes?

Coercion - Initially said no — “shut up and take my cock” She takes it after your sexual persistence because she knew/thought you wouldn’t stop wanting to have sex with her.

Doesn’t matter if she liked it/ said yes afterwards, if she said No initially and you still went ahead, told her to shut up, and f*cked her = Coerced rape (unless like I said, there’s CNC kink involved).

I don’t blame your disagreement towards this topic; this form of rape happens in a lot of relationships without knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 67900]

I'm not arguing over the semantics of what consitutes rape as rape.
I'm saying that either way it wouldn't matter, because in the eyes of the law the woman can either lie or tell the truth about the encounter, and they will both be equally as sturdy arguments (given that physical proof is not present).

They won't be, you overestimate how often a woman can just get a man in jail simply because she said "he raped me".

But for the sake of your question, the answer would factor in a lot of stuff. It is largely subjective, and the inital consent is most important.. then if what you were doing was roleplay/ or not, whether there were safe words involved, how long it took for you to react to it, when she decided to speak up, the personality/past of the "perpetrator", the severity of the effect it had on the "victim" etc etc
A jury would often come to a conclusion.

You've just contradicted yourself, if the jury, which is the arbiter of whether it was rape or not, is the one that takes all of these factors into one and decides guilty or not, then you would be contradicting yourself in saying that a woman effectively accusing a man of rape, despite it not being true, has equal efficiency/effect as if it were true.

Mike Tyson is an interesting example. A woman goes up alone, at 3am to his door, to what? Talk?
But Mike Tyson's image is of a "big, scary monster, capable of destruction" and very forward and agressive. She managed to frame him, and he had to suffer time in jail as a result of it.
I guarantee you that if he had the stature of a frail, young man; the jury would've come to the consensus that he was innocent.
It worked out for him.. nobody really believes her (he didn't lose out on any brand deals/promotions/fights), and if anything Iron Mike out of prison boosted his career to new heights.

Yeah I get it, how you look changes how you guilty you are perceived, what the fuck does this have to do with absolutely anything?

 

[Deleted member 67900]

ok well I disagree. If there was no agreement to satisfy her rape fetish it's rape. I disagree ok!

Women have a fetish of being beaten during sex, they can consent to that.

Same way women can have a fetish of being raped, they can "consent" to it too.

So if you do her rape fetish, you satisfied her will, yes?????

Don't just say "Agree to disagree" that just means I win.

 

[sickdawgie]

Women have a fetish of being beaten during sex, they can consent to that.

Same way women can have a fetish of being raped, they can "consent" to it too.

So if you do her rape fetish, you satisfied her will, yes?????

Don't just say "Agree to disagree" that just means I win.

Someone can want to be murdered you can kill them therefore "satisfying their will" but it is still illegal, we don't want murderers in our societys, NOR rapists! That is why they go to jail and it was rape.