Is this was worth off 32k by Pagnoni and Giant?

Because he's leaner? These photos are 3-4 years apart at this point

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These are photos taken closer in time, although he could be leaner here even. Is this worth $32K (and the pain involved) to you?

Nigga literally got 3mm advancement (or now he says 4mm jfl)
Man us terminal LTNs really just gotta take the L and accept we’re not hardmaxxing our way to Chad or getting our primes back

Unironically go preorder GTA 6 next week and just relax fellas, copemaxx
 
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Well shit
 
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Man us terminal LTNs really just gotta take the L and accept we’re not hardmaxxing our way to Chad or getting our primes back

Unironically go preorder GTA 6 next week and just relax fellas, copemaxx
Yea I've accepted surgery improves nothing these days, it is impossible to ascend even 1 or 2 subtiers no matter what you do

It's over

GTA 6 will also be garbage so it's double over
 
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Muh "his recession is fixed" after getting a 3-4mm Bimax and having little difference in side profile

Definitely worth the $32K!

He could have just simply lost weight and get relatively the same result
Nigga do you think if he got more advancement he’d turn into Jordan barret? My point clearly flew over ur head. Maybe I didn’t explain well. I’m saying A few extra mm of advancement isn’t going to do that much at his level of recession. He’s ignoring soft tissue

as for the price I think it’s much better he spent the 32k on surgery as opposed to anything else, mediocre result or not there’s nothing as valuable as looks. Plus he wouldn’t be able to predict the outcome once the money was spent anyways.

I agree he should’ve leanmaxxed first but you guys are tearing this guy down more than necessary, at least give him credit for hardmaxxing especially going to giant the butcher
 
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Nigga do you think if he got more advancement he’d turn into Jordan barret? My point clearly flew over ur head. Maybe I didn’t explain well. I’m saying A few extra mm of advancement isn’t going to do that much at his level of recession. He’s ignoring soft tissue

as for the price I think it’s much better he spent the 32k on surgery as opposed to anything else, mediocre result or not there’s nothing as valuable as looks. Plus he wouldn’t be able to predict the outcome once the money was spent anyways.

I agree he should’ve leanmaxxed first but you guys are tearing this guy down more than necessary, at least give him credit for hardmaxxing especially going to giant the butcher

Lol the point is that he was never a Bimax candidate, 3-4mm advancement is laughable. Muh "he couldn't predict the outcome"

Sure he actually "hardmaxxed", but I'm not going to commend being a retard with $32K just because he was able to get surgery done. He couldn't even do the basics before blowing $32K (not being a fat fuck)
 
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Muh "he couldn't predict the outcome"
Unless you can see into the future you don't know how you'll look after surgery with 100% accuracy. Cosmetic surgery is inherently unpredictable a lot of people spend 30k on surgeries overestimating the result. It's not like purchasing a car where you know exactly what you're getting that's why it's silly to say it "wasn't worth the money"

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He looks like a bimax candidate to me im not sure why you claim otherwise. If he was truly not a candidate he would look uncanny after the bimax but he doesnt. His midface got significantly less flat
but I'm not going to commend being a retard with $32K just because he was able to get surgery done. He couldn't even do the basics before blowing $32K (not being a fat fuck)
Agreed
 
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Muh "his recession is fixed" after getting a 3-4mm Bimax and having little difference in side profile

Definitely worth the $32K!

He could have just simply lost weight and get relatively the same result
Idk what youre expecting. To me he went from greaseball to regular guy. What do you think should've been done differently? Surgery just isn't going to make an ugly guy goodlooking if his overall ratios, skull and harmony look like OPs, and as far as I can tell his recession is fixed. Even with a cantho he's still gonna be normie prolly
Yeah bro and he wasted it doing nothing
it isnt even the fact the surgery was bad; it wasn't

What's bad is he DIDNT cut at all and has body fat covering all of the stuff done; he can afford a 32 thousand dollar surgery but not a GLP for his 30% body fat, maybe 40?

What a joke.

Muh surgery, Max, and you'll ascend, bro! *Half this forum says before putting the fork down and the weights up* :lul:
 
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Lol the point is that he was never a Bimax candidate, 3-4mm advancement is laughable. Muh "he couldn't predict the outcome"

Sure he actually "hardmaxxed", but I'm not going to commend being a retard with $32K just because he was able to get surgery done. He couldn't even do the basics before blowing $32K (not being a fat fuck)

The advancement amount to price ratio is brutal, that's the real sticking point to me. Practically highway robbery, even excluding the price of the implants.

These are movements even the most ultra conservative, function-only boomer surgeons would do. This guy likely could have got the trimax for free in his own country

I would never be so mad about this result if it was just some healthcare/insurance case where minor recession was fixed with minor movements. But he was charged a goddamn house deposit for this
 
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He looks like a bimax candidate to me im not sure why you claim otherwise. If he was truly not a candidate he would look uncanny after the bimax but he doesnt. His midface got significantly less flat

Agreed
You are clueless about Bimax. A true "Bimax candidate" doesn't get a 3-4mm advancement of both jaws from a competent surgeon. That just doesn't happen. Bimax is a normalization surgery. That's also why he doesn't look uncanny, because the advancement was so tiny.

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Looking uncanny would happen if he was advanced more, but the people involved even knew it was stupid at least I guess.

Unless you can see into the future you don't know how you'll look after surgery with 100% accuracy. Cosmetic surgery is inherently unpredictable a lot of people spend 30k on surgeries overestimating the result. It's not like purchasing a car where you know exactly what you're getting that's why it's silly to say it "wasn't worth the money"
This can be a true sentiment, but arguably less so if you're choosing to get a 3mm $20K+ Bimax advancement because a bunch of incels on Looksmax.org said you need Bimax and you need their approval.

It seems you too have also bought too far into the stigmatization of Bimax from clueless incels on here despite having no knowledge of it at all. Muh 3mm advancement he needed Bimax after all (couldn't be the incel tendency of misrepresenting the actual result photos)!
 
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it isnt even the fact the surgery was bad; it wasn't

What's bad is he DIDNT cut at all and has body fat covering all of the stuff done; he can afford a 32 thousand dollar surgery but not a GLP for his 30% body fat, maybe 40?

What a joke.

Muh surgery, Max, and you'll ascend, bro! *Half this forum says before putting the fork down and the weights up* :lul:
I mean the surgery didn't botch him at least, but it was stupid and changed nothing.

He talked about getting Rhino & Cantho in 2023, but 3 years have passed and he's still got NCT and a shit nose.
 
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The pictures of the after 8 months are actually pretty good. He doesn't look bad at all. But in the after 3 years you can clearly see he relapsed and lost most of what he had gained. That's because surgery restores some function briefly, and that looks good, but ultimately once you are left to your own habits, because those haven't changed you are gonna relapse, it's inevitable. With surgery you haven't fixed the underlying issue but just hid it for a couple months.
 
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The pictures of the after 8 months are actually pretty good. He doesn't look bad at all. But in the after 3 years you can clearly see he relapsed and lost most of what he had gained. That's because surgery restores some function briefly, and that looks good, but ultimately once you are left to your own habits, because those haven't changed you are gonna relapse, it's inevitable. With surgery you haven't fixed the underlying issue but just hid it for a couple months.
Yeah he stopped mewing, huge mistake. Should've at least done the chin tucks smh...:hnghn:
 
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Yeah he stopped mewing, huge mistake. Should've at least done the chin tucks smh...:hnghn:
No not really that. Your message is pretty satirical but how else would you explain the fact that his looks clearly have gotten worse ? (something you see with every person if you compare a few months after surgery vs a few years)
 
No not really that. Your message is pretty satirical but how else would you explain the fact that his looks clearly have gotten worse ? (something you see with every person if you compare a few months after surgery vs a few years)
@IDontBlameAnybody so ?
 
You are clueless about Bimax. A true "Bimax candidate" doesn't get a 3-4mm advancement of both jaws from a competent surgeon. That just doesn't happen. Bimax is a normalization surgery. That's also why he doesn't look uncanny, because the advancement was so tiny.

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Looking uncanny would happen if he was advanced more, but the people involved even knew it was stupid at least I guess.


This can be a true sentiment, but arguably less so if you're choosing to get a 3mm $20K+ Bimax advancement because a bunch of incels on Looksmax.org said you need Bimax and you need their approval.

It seems you too have also bought too far into the stigmatization of Bimax from clueless incels on here despite having no knowledge of it at all. Muh 3mm advancement he needed Bimax after all (couldn't be the incel tendency of misrepresenting the actual result photos)!
Ever since ramieri denied me bimax I stopped trying to learn more about it, I wasn’t trying to act knowledgeable on bimax I just noticed his face looked less flat overall. Maybe it’s from his inframalar implants. If that’s the case then it makes more sense why you guys keep bringing up the price

Are you saying the bimax made his result worse or that it was just too much money for very little improvement?
 
I mean the surgery didn't botch him at least, but it was stupid and changed nothing.

He talked about getting Rhino & Cantho in 2023, but 3 years have passed and he's still got NCT and a shit nose.
the order ALWAYS will be

get lean
fix coloring
fix skin
fix physique
fix habits
surgery
Maintain.

atleast imo, he did it backward and it backfired
 
Ever since ramieri denied me bimax I stopped trying to learn more about it, I wasn’t trying to act knowledgeable on bimax I just noticed his face looked less flat overall. Maybe it’s from his inframalar implants. If that’s the case then it makes more sense why you guys keep bringing up the price

Are you saying the bimax made his result worse or that it was just too much money for very little improvement?
did he deny you because of no maloclusion?
 
Because he's leaner? These photos are 3-4 years apart at this point

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These are photos taken closer in time, although he could be leaner here even. Is this worth $32K (and the pain involved) to you?

Nigga literally got 3mm advancement (or now he says 4mm jfl)
Left and right look totally different

It was 4mm... I looked back at older posts around when I had surgery.

Either way, skeletal change =/= soft tissue change 1:1

I think I look much better, particularly from the side.
 
the order ALWAYS will be

get lean
fix coloring
fix skin
fix physique
fix habits
surgery
Maintain.

atleast imo, he did it backward and it backfired
Yes, you should always get lean first. I didn't though because I became obsessed with surgery. Still.... I have no regrets.
 
Man us terminal LTNs really just gotta take the L and accept we’re not hardmaxxing our way to Chad or getting our primes back

Unironically go preorder GTA 6 next week and just relax fellas, copemaxx
Of course you won't become a chad through surgery... do people on here actually think this happens?

Why can't you be happy just looking decent.

There is only so much surgery can do and you have to manage your expectations or you will be disappointed
 
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it isnt even the fact the surgery was bad; it wasn't

What's bad is he DIDNT cut at all and has body fat covering all of the stuff done; he can afford a 32 thousand dollar surgery but not a GLP for his 30% body fat, maybe 40?

What a joke.

Muh surgery, Max, and you'll ascend, bro! *Half this forum says before putting the fork down and the weights up* :lul:
This was back in 2022-2023 before GLPs were well known.

Now I have an infinite supply of reta and i'm good
 
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The pictures of the after 8 months are actually pretty good. He doesn't look bad at all. But in the after 3 years you can clearly see he relapsed and lost most of what he had gained. That's because surgery restores some function briefly, and that looks good, but ultimately once you are left to your own habits, because those haven't changed you are gonna relapse, it's inevitable. With surgery you haven't fixed the underlying issue but just hid it for a couple months.
Bullshit, it looks exactly the same. I can take a picture in the same exact spot and overlap them if I can be bothered to indulge you peasants
 
Ever since ramieri denied me bimax I stopped trying to learn more about it, I wasn’t trying to act knowledgeable on bimax I just noticed his face looked less flat overall. Maybe it’s from his inframalar implants. If that’s the case then it makes more sense why you guys keep bringing up the price

Are you saying the bimax made his result worse or that it was just too much money for very little improvement?
No it's from skeletal change + soft tissue change as a result. Perhaps a similar result could've been achieved with paranasal implants, but then my lower jaw would be left behind....
 
Truth be told, Idk what my bimax maxilla movement was. Here is a gif of it if you want to estimate.

I just remember being told 5mm or 4mm and now people are saying it was 3mm. At this rate it will be 0.3mm



Looks like a more than 3mm to me that's for sure. Look at front teeth position change
 

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Of course you won't become a chad through surgery... do people on here actually think this happens?

Why can't you be happy just looking decent.

There is only so much surgery can do and you have to manage your expectations or you will be disappointed
Hard to be happy when you realize no matter what you do or say you are doomed to a lifetime of invisibility and coping because you just didn’t make the genetic cut
 
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Hard to be happy when you realize no matter what you do or say you are doomed to a lifetime of invisibility and coping because you just didn’t make the genetic cut
Why not try thugmaxxing then
 
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Bullshit, it looks exactly the same. I can take a picture in the same exact spot and overlap them if I can be bothered to indulge you peasants
No it doesn't one look is enough. The eyes changed the most but the mandible and whole jaw is way more asymmetrical in the more recent poctures. Midface is more sunken and longer. Losing weight contributed but it's definitely not only that. It's also un undeniable scientific fact that relapse is common in most of jaw surgery cases

Edit: just realized you are op, obviously whatever you say doesn't count because you are in a conflict of interests. You spent a ton of money on surgery of course you are not gonna admit your results aren't as good as they were in the beginning. It's a common coping mechanism
 
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No it doesn't one look is enough. The eyes changed the most but the mandible and whole jaw is way more asymmetrical in the more recent poctures. Midface is more sunken and longer. Losing weight contributed but it's definitely not only that. It's also un undeniable scientific fact that relapse is common in most of jaw surgery cases
Relapse is common in most jaw surgery cases that use off the shelf brackets to hold your skull together, mine were tailor made. And in those cases of relapse, the relapse is generally very small.

Also, the earlier pics were taken literally a few weeks after surgery. My face was always a little asymmetrical as I didn't have orthodontics, if I move my lower jaw like a few mm to the left it looks totally perfect.

I can get another CT for scientific purposes lol
 
Hard to be happy when you realize no matter what you do or say you are doomed to a lifetime of invisibility and coping because you just didn’t make the genetic cut
All you people do is cry and bitch about life, boo hoo you got dealt a bad hand.
 
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Relapse is common in most jaw surgery cases that use off the shelf brackets to hold your skull together, mine were tailor made. And in those cases of relapse, the relapse is generally very small.

Also, the earlier pics were taken literally a few weeks after surgery. My face was always a little asymmetrical as I didn't have orthodontics, if I move my lower jaw like a few mm to the left it looks totally perfect.
yeah and those are the pics that look the best like I said, because they are right after surgery. You obviously are gonna look worse as time passes because surgery didn't actually fix any of the underlying issues. As time goes by all those problems start to comeback and inevitably make you relapse
I can get another CT for scientific purposes lol
 
All you people do is cry and bitch about life, boo hoo you got dealt a bad hand.
All we do, huh

Not even close

But whoops forgot we can never ever voice displeasure at anything
 
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Ever since ramieri denied me bimax I stopped trying to learn more about it, I wasn’t trying to act knowledgeable on bimax I just noticed his face looked less flat overall. Maybe it’s from his inframalar implants. If that’s the case then it makes more sense why you guys keep bringing up the price

Are you saying the bimax made his result worse or that it was just too much money for very little improvement?
Won't say it made his face worse off, technically his jaws are more forward now, but it's hard to see the actual degree of aesthetic gain from the Bimax alone. This is expected to be the case with a 3-4mm advancement from a non-clinically recessed person. Always underwhelming.

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Take this Ramieri Bimax for example. His jaws are slightly more forward now. Does he really look better?

Of course you won't become a chad through surgery... do people on here actually think this happens?

Why can't you be happy just looking decent.

There is only so much surgery can do and you have to manage your expectations or you will be disappointed
If you actually cared about looking decent, you would have gotten a Cantho and a Rhino, but 3 years have passed. Instead you fell for the Bimax meme before even simply losing weight. There is no way for us to tell the actual degree of improvement.

Truth be told, Idk what my bimax maxilla movement was. Here is a gif of it if you want to estimate.

I just remember being told 5mm or 4mm and now people are saying it was 3mm. At this rate it will be 0.3mm




Looks like a more than 3mm to me that's for sure. Look at front teeth position change
You yourself said the advancements were "3mm maxilla, 4mm mandible" originally. That is what I'm going off of.

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Won't say it made his face worse off, technically his jaws are more forward now, but it's hard to see the actual degree of aesthetic gain from the Bimax alone. This is expected to be the case with a 3-4mm advancement from a non-clinically recessed person. Always underwhelming.

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Take this Ramieri Bimax for example.


If you actually cared about looking decent, you would have gotten a Cantho and a Rhino, but 3 years have passed. Instead you fell for the Bimax meme before even simply losing weight. There is no way for us to tell the actual degree of improvement.


You yourself said the advancements were "3mm maxilla, 4mm mandible" originally. That is what I'm going off of.

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Hmmmm, I think I was just wrong tbh. Idk, it's lost to time.

If you look at the animation, which was my final surgery plan, you can see its much more than 3mm movement
 
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Hmmmm, I think I was just wrong tbh. Idk, it's lost to time.

If you look at the animation, which was my final surgery plan, you can see its much more than 3mm movement
I'll take your word for it, I still find the result pretty underwhelming though. But it's whatever. How are your Cantho and Rhino plans or did you scorch them after you left?
 
I'll take your word for it, I still find the result pretty underwhelming though. But it's whatever. How are your Cantho and Rhino plans or did you scorch them after you left?
Honestly I stopped even thinking about looksmaxxing after my surgery, it never crossed my mind for like 3 years or so. I did update posts to help others out but aside from that I was totally disconnected from that world. I was very happy with my bimax result and still am.

I started to care more since dieting and losing over 90lbs, I am thinking what I can do further.

I do recognize I would get the most ROI from cantho and fat grafting. I will get this some time in the future but right now I'm very busy with work and other things. Also I am not sure who the best surgeon is, I would go to the best (not Taban) as I've got the money saved and don't want to be brutally botched.

I am personally very happy, my side profile looks nice. Front profile isn't so good
 
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You are clueless about Bimax. A true "Bimax candidate" doesn't get a 3-4mm advancement of both jaws from a competent surgeon. That just doesn't happen. Bimax is a normalization surgery. That's also why he doesn't look uncanny, because the advancement was so tiny.

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Looking uncanny would happen if he was advanced more, but the people involved even knew it was stupid at least I guess.


This can be a true sentiment, but arguably less so if you're choosing to get a 3mm $20K+ Bimax advancement because a bunch of incels on Looksmax.org said you need Bimax and you need their approval.

It seems you too have also bought too far into the stigmatization of Bimax from clueless incels on here despite having no knowledge of it at all. Muh 3mm advancement he needed Bimax after all (couldn't be the incel tendency of misrepresenting the actual result photos)!
Lil bro fell for “just a few mms of bones dood” meme. *fucking literally gets few mms advancement*
 
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I'll take your word for it, I still find the result pretty underwhelming though. But it's whatever. How are your Cantho and Rhino plans or did you scorch them after you left?

there is clearly no difference, I am the same bodyweight in both btw so don't even go there

I feel like you guys just look at the after pics and never compare to how i look before, and because the afters don't meet your expectation of what 32k should get you you all just comment NO DIFFERENCE LUL
 

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Truth be told, Idk what my bimax maxilla movement was. Here is a gif of it if you want to estimate.

I just remember being told 5mm or 4mm and now people are saying it was 3mm. At this rate it will be 0.3mm




Looks like a more than 3mm to me that's for sure. Look at front teeth position change
Stop coping and go fix your eye area and start injecting 500mg of test every week.
 
Stop coping and go fix your eye area and start injecting 500mg of test every week.
I am going to fix it in due course, It's just not on top of the list atm... if someone can recommend some surgeon it will happen a lot faster
 
I am going to fix it in due course, It's just not on top of the list atm... if someone can recommend some surgeon it will happen a lot faster
Not on top jfl, it is your biggest failo now for sure, you have “melted” eye area, should be number 1 priority tbh. Just look at how many people pinpointed to your eye area. That should definitely tell you something .
 
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Honestly I stopped even thinking about looksmaxxing after my surgery, it never crossed my mind for like 3 years or so. I did update posts to help others out but aside from that I was totally disconnected from that world. I was very happy with my bimax result and still am.

I started to care more since dieting and losing over 90lbs, I am thinking what I can do further.

I do recognize I would get the most ROI from cantho and fat grafting. I will get this some time in the future but right now I'm very busy with work and other things. Also I am not sure who the best surgeon is, I would go to the best (not Taban) as I've got the money saved and don't want to be brutally botched.

I am personally very happy, my side profile looks nice. Front profile isn't so good
If you're happy with it then it's fine, it's been 3 years I won't try to convince you otherwise. I disagree that it was worth the money but it's whatever, it's to be expected with Bimax cases like this. Wish you the best going forward, and yeah Cantho & Rhino would net the most benefit for your front profile.
 
Not on top jfl, it is your biggest failo now for sure, you have “melted” eye area, should be number 1 priority tbh. Just look at how many people pinpointed to your eye area. That should definitely tell you something .
I know it's bad, but unlike this forum my life doesn't revolve around looksmaxxing, I've got a lot of other stuff I want/need to do over cutting my canthal ligaments
 
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there is clearly no difference, I am the same bodyweight in both btw so don't even go there

I feel like you guys just look at the after pics and never compare to how i look before, and because the afters don't meet your expectation of what 32k should get you you all just comment NO DIFFERENCE LUL
I mean these are different pictures all together. It's also the side view which IMO isn't as important. It does look better in the same way that linoob looks better post surgery. That does not mean it looks good. It has the same kind of artificial look that linoob/mental health man have just less pronounced.

The big problem is the goal post wasn't moved any meaningful amount from the front view. In fact it's arguably worse, since the higher bodyfat mask over a lot of deficits and you just look like a random fat chud vs someone with a very abnormal skull.



I am going to fix it in due course, It's just not on top of the list atm... if someone can recommend some surgeon it will happen a lot faster
For what specifically, revision on bimax and implants or something else?
 
If you're happy with it then it's fine, it's been 3 years I won't try to convince you otherwise. I disagree that it was worth the money but it's whatever, it's to be expected with Bimax cases like this. Wish you the best going forward, and yeah Cantho & Rhino would net the most benefit for your front profile.
Rhino as well now? :ROFLMAO: god damn I thought my nose was pretty damn good
 
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I mean these are different pictures all together. It's also the side view which IMO isn't as important. It does look better in the same way that linoob looks better post surgery. That does not mean it looks good. It has the same kind of artificial look that linoob/mental health man have just less pronounced.

The big problem is the goal post wasn't moved any meaningful amount from the front view. In fact it's arguably worse, since the higher bodyfat mask over a lot of deficits and you just look like a random fat chud vs someone with a very abnormal skull.




For what specifically, revision on bimax and implants or something else?
"Very abnormal" skull, bro thinks I am Joseph Merrick

edit; how are these different pictures. Even if they are not 1:1 you can still interpret the change.

Unless.... imagine an apple and rotate it in your mind, can you do it?
 
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Rhino as well now? :ROFLMAO: god damn I thought my nose was pretty damn good
Cantho would be the bigger of the 2. I'm going with your original plan here, I could see some benefit from the front and even side profile.

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Cantho would be the bigger of the 2. I'm going with your original plan here, I could see some benefit from the front profile.

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Look at the date my man

I was young and took what people said on here to heart. Yes cantho is still indicated, rhino isn't I have a very nice nose.
 
"Very abnormal" skull, bro thinks I am Joseph Merrick

edit; how are these different pictures. Even if they are not 1:1 you can still interpret the change.

Unless.... imagine an apple and rotate it in your mind, can you do it?
Some of us just have an eye for detail, a sense of aesthetics, and standards. Others of us went to giant.
 

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