Islam, among many other false religions views the afterlife as a night club.

[hopecel]

Inequality has to exist otherwise this world would suck if everyone was born with perfect genetics, you’re just spiteful and low iq clearly. People have the choice to fuck who they want and God allows that, if he didn’t allow it we would all be mindless robots. You’re forgetting that the first man was perfect and he sinned by his own free will. Don’t blame this shit on God, blame it on humans for being retards. Essentially what your argument is is ‘if God real why bad thing happen’. I can flip this back on you and say if God real why good thing happen

I don't blame God because I don't believe in his existence

It's just man-made cope with something they couldn't actually explain

 

[incelmogger]

Religious copers like you are ridiculous

How tf can you believe in a man-made religion which wasn't even created by your people? I'm not a pagan but paganism is way more connected to nature and in it every folks have their own beliefs

Jfl if you think that the Jews saved us with spreading their delusional religion

I’m sure you believe in many things that were also not invented by your people. Clearly it wasn’t delusional and Jewish if most Europeans accepted it on their own accord

 

[Shkreliii]

Yeah I get it bro I fucking no way can agree with these religious copers tbh

Being a religious blackpiller is just like being a religious nihilist - it makes zero sense

Yeah bro God tests inkwells in regards of how long they can live without rope but He will reward them by transforming them into Chads in their 30s bro!! TRUST THE PROCESS!!!

its never a test is everyone had predetermined value, it's like school but you're forced to compete with societies most gifted, and most retarded, Jfl. Earth is our life, heaven, and hell, religious copers withering away, when their chance to live is now. Life is like a drivers test that can't be redone. Besides heaven sounds like a massive cope, every human having their serotonin overdosed, and doing nothing for eternity, if that's the case. It woud simply mean in heaven we have no free will, being slaves of the cruel god for eternity.

 

[incelmogger]

I don't blame God because I don't believe in his existence

It's just man-made cope with something they couldn't actually explain

You’re not making any arguments, you’re just saying it’s man made cope without providing any evidence or objection to my claims. I could just as easily say that your position is man made cope as well. The initial claim of yours was basically along the lines of this: “how can you be religious when there is so much inequality and evil in the world.” You are implying that God can’t exist because he doesn’t give everyone perfect genetics and gives us free will.

 

[incelmogger]

its never a test is everyone had predetermined value,

God foreknew these things, allowing and willing them in a sense for the purpose of good and so that we wouldn’t all be completely the same and without free will. And how is this earth not a test, even nihilist philosophers believed that. You can think that this inequality and God predetermining it is cruel but it’s a more logical explanation of why inequality exists than just same argument based on random chance or an infinite chain of regress without an end. Your argument is how can God exist if bad thing happen and the world is unequal. Literally npc redditor take

 

[Shkreliii]

I don't blame God because I don't believe in his existence

It's just man-made cope with something they couldn't actually explain

"inequality has to exist cuz then world would suck" i agree with this, however "heaven" is this place where everyone are equal and happy for no reason at all, aka slaves for eternity worshiping a man. JFLLL

 

[solohunter99]

Being an incel and religious at the same time is an oxymoron

Any religion = bluepilled cope

If you're blackpilled aka nihilistic how tf can you believe in some man-made "God"? If your "God" existed and treated "all his kids" as equal there would be no Chads nor normies nor incels - everyone would be equal

Since inequality or diversity in humans is natural that indicates that religion is unnatural bullshit created to control people and make them slaves tbh

Tldr: If you're an incel you should be anything but religious

Atheism is also a religion. For example, how can you believe in “evolution” and be an incel? If you really thought that natural selection determined all of our genes, then how come your subhuman incel genes managed to exist in the first place? Shouldn’t they have been wiped out long ago by superior bloodlines?

 

[Shkreliii]

God foreknew these things, allowing and willing them in a sense for the purpose of good and so that we wouldn’t all be completely the same and without free will. And how is this earth not a test, even nihilist philosophers believed that. You can think that this inequality and God predetermining it is cruel but it’s a more logical explanation of why inequality exists than just same argument based on random chance or an infinite chain of regress without an end

It's so easy to be religious, cause you can just say, "god told me, god knew this, the book told me so, i believe, my experience." Like talking to a wall.

 

[Shkreliii]

Atheism is also a religion. For example, how can you believe in “evolution” and be an incel? If you really thought that natural selection determined all of our genes, then how come your subhuman incel genes managed to exist in the first place? Shouldn’t they have been wiped out long ago by superior bloodlines?

No not at all, enviorment had a big play in it, and JFFLLL Your stupidity is gleaming, Blackpill is a new phenomenon, of globalization and industrial revolution, materialism etc. Before it didn't have much importance, apart from wealth.

 

[incelmogger]

It's so easy to be religious, cause you can just say, "god told me, god knew this, the book told me so, i believe, my experience." Like talking to a wall.

That’s not what I believe I’m not a Protestant. I don’t believe in the Bible and revelation just because the book tells me to believe it (I don’t even believe the book came first btw), or because in their eyes the Bible says what it means and means what it says and is self-interpreting. You are confusing hardcore Calvinism and sola-scriptura like presuppoisitions and Islamic occasionalism with traditional forms of Christianity. My reasoning for believing in the Bible isn’t just because God told me so, that would be blind faith. My reasons for believing in Christian doctrines about God is because it is the only philosophically and theologically coherent religious/ethical system that gives a truly logical coherent explanation of God’s existence, how the world is governed and why it is the way it is, and why there are problems such as the one and the many among others. The Trinity, the incarnation and Christian revelation are also the most philosophically coherent concepts when compared to every other belief system. If God exists, and this can be proven through natural reason, then what is the most coherent explanation of His mode of existence and how he communicates himself to the world? It is Christianity, in specific Catholicism.

 

[6ft4]

Good thread
When it's time for you to pass, if you still care about trivial stuff like fucking 72 virgins, it just serves as proof your sentience hasn't expanded one iota during your time on earth

 

[hopecel]

I’m sure you believe in many things that were also not invented by your people. Clearly it wasn’t delusional and Jewish if most Europeans accepted it on their own accord

Believing in the blackpill ideology can't be equal to believing in Christianity or any other religion by no means

My point is that there's hundreds and thousands of (man-made) religions created by various folks... So how can you say there's only one truth? How can you even say there's the truth? How can you say Christianity is the truth if there were religions way before it?

 

[SubhumanCurrycel]

Reincarnoplasty or oblivion seems more likely

 

[incelmogger]

That’s not what I believe I’m not a Protestant. I don’t believe in the Bible and revelation just because the book tells me to believe it (I don’t even believe the book came first btw), or because in their eyes the Bible says what it means and means what it says and is self-interpreting. You are confusing hardcore Calvinism and sola-scriptura like presuppoisitions and Islamic occasionalism with traditional forms of Christianity. My reasoning for believing in the Bible isn’t just because God told me so, that would be blind faith. My reasons for believing in Christian doctrines about God is because it is the only philosophically and theologically coherent religious/ethical system that gives a truly logical coherent explanation of God’s existence, how the world is governed and why it is the way it is, and why there are problems such as the one and the many among others. The Trinity, the incarnation and Christian revelation are also the most philosophically coherent concepts when compared to every other belief system. If God exists, and this can be proven through natural reason, then what is the most coherent explanation of His mode of existence and how he communicates himself to the world? It is Christianity, in specific Catholicism.

I love how Bluepilled redditfag normies like @Shkreliii believe that everyone is just a brain dead American evangelical Protestant or 80 iq muzztard sheep

 

[Gonthar]

Yeah bro God tests inkwells in regards of how long they can live without rope but He will reward them by transforming them into Chads in their 30s bro!! TRUST THE PROCESS!!!

No, not in this lifetime, in heaven. The Chads who lived a sinful life will probably go to hell, while the pure, virgin incels to heaven.

 

[incelmogger]

Believing in the blackpill ideology can't be equal to believing in Christianity or any other religion by no means

My point is that there's hundreds and thousands of (man-made) religions created by various folks... So how can you say there's only one truth? How can you even say there's the truth? How can you say Christianity is the truth if there were religions way before it?

I gave my answer in another comment. It is because the beliefs of these other religions or ethical systems are incoherent and fall flat on their face when carefully scrutinised and put up against Christian dogma. All I have to prove is that God exists, that he is one, that he is triune, knowable, communicates directly with creation, and has to be triune to win the argument, something like that. No other religion gives a coherent relevatory account for God’s existence. And there is only one truth and one true path because God is truth itself and one. If you want me to prove those things above as well I can if you’d like, and I will show you how pagan systems, atheistic ethical systems, perennialist systems,, or even older ones such as Judaism/Islam don’t make nearly as much sense and are philosophically incoherent.

 

[Shkreliii]

I love how Bluepilled redditfag normies like @Shkreliii believe that everyone is just a brain dead American evangelical Protestant or 80 iq muzztard sheep

I am actually god speaking to you through looksmax.org, and i command thee to lanquish in our dungeons for 500 years, prithee be careful, may your sins be vanquished.

 

[hopecel]

You’re not making any arguments, you’re just saying it’s man made cope without providing any evidence or objection to my claims. I could just as easily say that your position is man made cope as well. The initial claim of yours was basically along the lines of this: “how can you be religious when there is so much inequality and evil in the world.” You are implying that God can’t exist because he doesn’t give everyone perfect genetics and gives us free will.

Ok so how can a man-made book can be "the God's word"? How can a man be a God's prophet? It's completely impossible and it's just a man's imagination and cope

Atheism is also a religion. For example, how can you believe in “evolution” and be an incel? If you really thought that natural selection determined all of our genes, then how come your subhuman incel genes managed to exist in the first place? Shouldn’t they have been wiped out long ago by superior bloodlines?

It's not the same as religion because evolution is science while religion is unconditional belief

Evolution is undeniable and yeah we evolved no matter how someone looks tbh just take a look how humans looked like thousands of years ago like how our bones changed how mutations happened etc

"Incel genes" aren't to blame ngl rather blame your incel diet and incel lifestyle tbh also you must know that it's not all about looks and society rules are and were a huge part in it

I'm talking about modern hypergamy and arranged marriages in the past etc so it's not just about your looks

 

[hopecel]

No, not in this lifetime, in heaven. The Chads who lived a sinful life will probably go to hell, while the pure, virgin incels to heaven.

LIFEFUEL!!!!

 

[incelmogger]

Ok so how can a man-made book can be "the God's word"?

Because the prophets were divinely inspired and the Word itself was made flesh and revealed such a thing. This was prophesied in the Old Testament and even foreshadowed in ancient pagan religions and concepts (e.g. Logos)

How can a man be a God's prophet?

Because God can divinely inspire them, it is not out of his ability. We can test whether they were truly inspired by proving that Christianity is the only truly coherent religious/ethical system

It's completely impossible and it's just a man's imagination and cope

This is a statement

It's not the same as religion because evolution is science while religion is unconditional belief

Wdym by religion is unconditional belief. If you mean blind faith it’s not. I’m not a Muslim. Not all religion is based on unconditional slavery and blind surrendering to some unknowable creator that you have to win over by doing rituals.

 

[incelmogger]

I am actually god speaking to you through looksmax.org, and i command thee to lanquish in our dungeons for 500 years, prithee be careful, may your sins be vanquished.

Unfunny faggot. You can’t even respond to what I said because you are a low iq atheist redditor

 

[Shkreliii]

Because the prophets were divinely inspired and the Word itself was made flesh and revealed such a thing. This was prophesied in the Old Testament and even foreshadowed in ancient pagan religions and concepts (e.g. Logos)

Because God can divinely inspire them, it is not out of his ability. We can test whether they were truly inspired by proving that Christianity is the only truly coherent religious/ethical system

This is a statement

Wdym by religion is unconditional belief. If you mean blind faith it’s not. I’m not a Muslim. Not all religion is based on unconditional slavery and blind surrendering to some unknowable creator that you have to win over by doing rituals.

If you had any enlightenmend, you'd stop argumenting, hes obviously not going to change, the same applies for you JFL, unconditional belief, vs unconditional belief. Goodluck

 

[incelmogger]

If you had any enlightenmend, you'd stop argumenting, hes obviously not going to change, the same applies for you JFL, unconditional belief, vs unconditional belief. Goodluck

I know but hopefully others who read the thread can gain some wisdom

 

[Shkreliii]

Unfunny faggot. You can’t even respond to what I said because you are a low iq atheist redditor

no im playing games rn, Also my only argument to your belief, cause lets be honest, the only argument you have presented by now, is your unconditional faith, is, all faiths can be fake. Goodluck in heaven bro

 

[incelmogger]

the only argument you have presented by now, is your unconditional faith

Not really

 

[solohunter99]

It's not the same as religion because evolution is science while religion is unconditional belief

Evolution is undeniable and yeah we evolved no matter how someone looks tbh just take a look how humans looked like thousands of years ago like how our bones changed how mutations happened etc

Most people just unconditionally believe in the Western secular view of the world because it’s what they were taught by the schools and media. It’s no better or worse, it’s just a different set of blind beliefs.

 

[hopecel]

Most people just unconditionally believe in the Western secular view of the world because it’s what they were taught by the schools and media. It’s no better or worse, it’s just a different set of blind beliefs.

It's not the same at all

 

[solohunter99]

It's not the same at all

Yeah it is. They never really thought about it deeply, they are just following the ideology of everyone else in their family, community, country. If they were born in Muslim countries they’d be Muslims, if they were born in Christian countries they’d be Christians, and so on.

 

[dreamcake1mo]

God doesn’t treat everyone equally dumbass this proves you don’t know shit about Christianity (e.g. Romans 1:28 God literally gives people over to a reprobate mind). yeah in essence our souls are equal but he made the world and humans unequal for a reason. If God treated everyone equally nobody would be punished either on this earth or in the afterlife. God also uses inequality or evil for good. if there were no evil or inequality in this world and didn’t have any free choice whatsoever we would all be robots, which sounds like a crueler world to me. Just fucking lol at your monkey brain iq.

Yea, scientifically god has to exist. Life has a paradox of creation(who created or instructed the thing that instructed creation, for example, what instructed the big bang etc), and something such as god would be the answer to it. The more low of a odd something is, occurs, the higher the probability that it was intently supposed to occur, I have no idea why nihilists try to use the belief of not believing in god as a valid claim to why god dosent exist. Or how they fight religious people with that belief, not knowing that their belief is a religion in itself. I hope my comments are not misunderstood and used by those people to justify their low iq.

I was simply highlighting the differences of believing in god, to religion. They are separate things. In a way christians and nhillists are the same, but different from a true believer in god.

 

[Fish]

Sounds kinda boring, what if you want to have some fun?

1. God’s people will reign on the earth
When Christ returns to establish the new heaven and new earth (Rev. 21:1–5), the Bible says that humanity will reign on it. Revelation 5:9–10 records the four living creatures and twenty-four elders who surround God’s throne. They say to Jesus,

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

The living creatures and elders do not merely say that we will worship God on earth or live with God on earth. But we will reign with God on earth. (Also see 2 Tim. 2:12).

To reign means to have authority over something. Reigning indicates leadership.

2. God’s people will be given crowns
Several verses in the New Testament indicate that all of God’s people will receive crowns:

1 Corinthians 9:25 — “Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.”
2 Timothy 4:8 — “Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day — and not only to me but also to all who have longed for his appearing.”
James 1:12 — “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.”
1 Peter 5:4 — “And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.”
Revelation 2:10 — “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.”
A crown in the New Testament era (just like today) signified royalty — a king or queen. Kings wore crowns. And kings have dominion and authority.

The fact that you will receive a crown indicates that you will have dominion in the new heaven and new earth. You will lead. You will have authority.

3. God’s people will have authority over the nations
Two verses state that God’s people will have authority over the nations:

Daniel 7:27 — “Then the sovereignty, power, and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.”
This passage speaks of the Son of Man (Jesus’ favorite name for himself), who, in Daniel is the eschatological ruler of the universe. Under the Son of Man’s rule the “sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms… will be handed over to the saints.”
Revelation 2:26 — “To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations.”
What will humanity have authority over? God will give humanity authority over the nations!

In the new heaven and new earth, every tribe, tongue, nation, and people group will be represented (Rev. 7:9). And God’s people — who are from every nation — will have authority over the nations.

"Heaven sounds boring." LOL. Jesus is king.

 

[Deleted member 51576]

1. God’s people will reign on the earth
When Christ returns to establish the new heaven and new earth (Rev. 21:1–5), the Bible says that humanity will reign on it. Revelation 5:9–10 records the four living creatures and twenty-four elders who surround God’s throne. They say to Jesus,

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth."

The living creatures and elders do not merely say that we will worship God on earth or live with God on earth. But we will reign with God on earth. (Also see 2 Tim. 2:12).

To reign means to have authority over something. Reigning indicates leadership.

2. God’s people will be given crowns
Several verses in the New Testament indicate that all of God’s people will receive crowns:

1 Corinthians 9:25 — “Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.”
2 Timothy 4:8 — “Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day — and not only to me but also to all who have longed for his appearing.”
James 1:12 — “Blessed is the one who perseveres under trial because, having stood the test, that person will receive the crown of life that the Lord has promised to those who love him.”
1 Peter 5:4 — “And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.”
Revelation 2:10 — “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you life as your victor’s crown.”
A crown in the New Testament era (just like today) signified royalty — a king or queen. Kings wore crowns. And kings have dominion and authority.

The fact that you will receive a crown indicates that you will have dominion in the new heaven and new earth. You will lead. You will have authority.

3. God’s people will have authority over the nations
Two verses state that God’s people will have authority over the nations:

Daniel 7:27 — “Then the sovereignty, power, and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.”
This passage speaks of the Son of Man (Jesus’ favorite name for himself), who, in Daniel is the eschatological ruler of the universe. Under the Son of Man’s rule the “sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms… will be handed over to the saints.”
Revelation 2:26 — “To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations.”
What will humanity have authority over? God will give humanity authority over the nations!

In the new heaven and new earth, every tribe, tongue, nation, and people group will be represented (Rev. 7:9). And God’s people — who are from every nation — will have authority over the nations.

"Heaven sounds boring." LOL. Jesus is king.

AMENNNNN

God bless you bro

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Jesus is Lord

 

[seeker]

Many fraudulent religions have sensual or pleasurable views of the afterlife, where the afterlife is depicted as a place of enjoyment, physical pleasure, and sensory delights. Islam is one of them. Sex is a dominating theme of the afterlife In islam, men are rewarded with virgins of paradise when they enter. Dopamine-maxxing for all eternity is what islam is about. Don't fret though, for Islam is not alone!

-In ancient Greek mythology and religion, Elysium or the Elysian Fields was a paradise-like afterlife where the souls of the heroic and virtuous would reside. It was described as a place of eternal happiness, where individuals could enjoy pleasurable activities like feasting and athletic contests.

-In Norse mythology, warriors who died bravely in battle were believed to go to Valhalla, a great hall in Asgard. In Valhalla, they would engage in combat during the day and feast and celebrate at night, enjoying the pleasures of battle and camaraderie.

-In ancient Egyptian afterlife was the belief in a realm called the "Field of Reeds" or "Aaru." This was a paradise-like place where the souls of the deceased hoped to reside for eternity. In the Field of Reeds, it was believed that individuals would be reunited with their loved ones, enjoy abundant food and drink, and live in peace and happiness.

Those are just a few of many examples of illegitimate belief systems. So what is the lesson here? It is that, these are WORLDLY religions. They cater to people's carnal desires and lust and it is how they lure people in and entrap them. These are demonic ideologies and are all fraudulent and superficial. Christianity teaches us that we are not of this world, we are just in it temporarily. It teaches us to stray from the animalistic desires and short term pleasures that man seeks because such behavior leads to a vacuum of despair. It teaches us that we are fundamentally broken and need a savior—whose name is Jesus Christ, and we cannot work our way to heaven—of which is not an eternal night club.

Repent and accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior

Moon god was unironically a better argument.

One thing to note here, although the 72 virgins hadith is a Sunni thing (ALLEGEDLY, IDK), the presence of beautiful 'houri' women is in the Qur'an. However, Heaven is a world;y thing and the reality is beyond this material world. We cannot comprehend heaven or fathom what is it in, so Allah SWT quantifies it in a human way. The whole purpose of Heaven is happiness, whether you get that by being with your wife, or with the houri, or being alone with rivers of honey and milk, doesn't matter.So performing good in order to please God and attain His promised reward is not a bad thing.
^ an old message from a shia brother

And from him (Ahmad b. Ishaq) from Bakr b. Muhammad. He said: Abu Basir asked him (Abi `Abillah al-Sadiq [a]) whilst I was with him about the hur al-ayn. So he said to him: May I be made your ransom, are they a creation of the dunya or a creation of Paradise?

So he said to him: What do you have to do with that?! (What is incumbent) upon you is the ritual prayer! For, the last of what the Messenger of Allah advised and emphasised was the ritual prayer. Beware that any of you belittle his ritual prayers. For, he does not perfect it as a youth, nor whilst he is a senior have the strength for it. And what is worse than stealing of the ritual prayer? So if any of you rises, then let him straighten. And if he bows, then let him do so properly. And if he raises his hand, then let him straighten. And if he prostrates, then let unfurl (himself). And if he raises his head, then let him delay (i.e. in continuing) until he becomes still (i.e. after he gets up)

 

[Deleted member 51576]

Moon god was unironically a better argument.

One thing to note here, although the 72 virgins hadith is a Sunni thing (ALLEGEDLY, IDK), the presence of beautiful 'houri' women is in the Qur'an. However, Heaven is a world;y thing and the reality is beyond this material world. We cannot comprehend heaven or fathom what is it in, so Allah SWT quantifies it in a human way. The whole purpose of Heaven is happiness, whether you get that by being with your wife, or with the houri, or being alone with rivers of honey and milk, doesn't matter.So performing good in order to please God and attain His promised reward is not a bad thing.
^ an old message from a shia brother

And from him (Ahmad b. Ishaq) from Bakr b. Muhammad. He said: Abu Basir asked him (Abi `Abillah al-Sadiq [a]) whilst I was with him about the hur al-ayn. So he said to him: May I be made your ransom, are they a creation of the dunya or a creation of Paradise?

So he said to him: What do you have to do with that?! (What is incumbent) upon you is the ritual prayer! For, the last of what the Messenger of Allah advised and emphasised was the ritual prayer. Beware that any of you belittle his ritual prayers. For, he does not perfect it as a youth, nor whilst he is a senior have the strength for it. And what is worse than stealing of the ritual prayer? So if any of you rises, then let him straighten. And if he bows, then let him do so properly. And if he raises his hand, then let him straighten. And if he prostrates, then let unfurl (himself). And if he raises his head, then let him delay (i.e. in continuing) until he becomes still (i.e. after he gets up)

You wrote much words just to ultimately reaffirm my thread which can be boiled down into two things.

1. Islam views the afterlife as the culmination of carnal desires

2. Islam is a works based religion

Thank you Akhi and peace be upon you

 

[seeker]

You wrote a lot of words just to ultimately reaffirm my thread which can be boiled down into two things.

1. Islam views the afterlife as the culmination of carnal desires

2. Islam is a works based religion

Thank you Akhi and peace be upon you

I did not write many words at all, it wasn't even a full paragraph if you only read the bold text.

Islam views the afterlife as the culmination of carnal desires

Where did you derive this from?

so Allah SWT quantifies it in a human way. The whole purpose of Heaven is happiness

^ i said that. you are saying as if 'desires' are inherently bad. They are only bad if in opposition to God/against His law. Marriage is highly recommended in Islam

2. Islam is a works based religion

Yeah? Why is that a red flag?

 

[seeker]

From Jabir from abu Ja’far (a.s.) who has said the following: “O Jabir, do people think just claiming to be our Shi’a and saying they love us ( Ahl al-Bayt) is enough for their salvation? I swear by Allah, of our Shi’a are only those who are pious before Allah and obey Him. No one, O Jabir, would know them except by their humbleness, submissiveness, trustworthiness, their speaking frequently of Allah, fasting, prayer, virtuous deeds toward parents, good relations with neighbors, the needy, the destitute, the heavily indebted, the orphans, by their truthfulness, recitation of the Holy Quran, and restraining of their tongues except for the good of the people and their being trusted among the people of their tribe in all things.
Full hadith: https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/2/1/36/3. It is da'if but np

 

[seeker]

From Jabir from abu Ja’far (a.s.) who has said the following: “O Jabir, do people think just claiming to be our Shi’a and saying they love us ( Ahl al-Bayt) is enough for their salvation? I swear by Allah, of our Shi’a are only those who are pious before Allah and obey Him. No one, O Jabir, would know them except by their humbleness, submissiveness, trustworthiness, their speaking frequently of Allah, fasting, prayer, virtuous deeds toward parents, good relations with neighbors, the needy, the destitute, the heavily indebted, the orphans, by their truthfulness, recitation of the Holy Quran, and restraining of their tongues except for the good of the people and their being trusted among the people of their tribe in all things.
Full hadith: https://thaqalayn.net/hadith/2/1/36/3. It is da'if but np

In case someone thinks this is 'too hard', Allah is with the patient. We also have the concept of shif'at in shi'ism.

https://www.al-islam.org/inquiries-about-shia-islam-sayyid-moustafa-al-qazwini/intercession-shafaah

Shafa'a - wikishia

en.wikishia.net

And Allah is Most Merciful.

 

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I did not write many words at all, it wasn't even a full paragraph if you only read the bold text.


Where did you derive this from?

^ i said that. you are saying as if 'desires' are inherently bad. They are only bad if in opposition to God/against His law. Marriage is highly recommended in Islam


Yeah? Why is that a red flag?

We cannot save ourselves. My biggest gripe with islam is that it is a works based religion. Isaiah said something that reflects my thoughts on our works

We are deeply sinful people and carry the burden of original sin. The Christian concept of grace is central to understanding why Christianity does not endorse a works-based approach to salvation. It teaches that we cannot earn salvation through our actions because the standard of holiness required by God is impossible to meet through human effort alone. We are all filthy rags.

The staunch belief in faith based salvation is KEY to Christianity and it sets Christianity apart from EVERY SINGLE RELIGION. Firstly, it is the ONLY religion to guarantee salvation and secondly, it is the ONLY religion to emphasize that salvation is only by the grace of God. It is His gift to us and something that our works have zero bearing in.

Works based religions are all fraudulent in my opinion.

 

[Petsmart]

All religions are nonsense

 

[Deleted member 51576]

All religions are nonsense

Yes my nigga we came from fish and sky daddy isn’t real. We get it, thanks

 

[seeker]

We cannot save ourselves. My biggest gripe with islam is that it is a works based religion. Isaiah said something that reflects my thoughts on our works

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We are deeply sinful people and carry the burden of original sin. The Christian concept of grace is central to understanding why Christianity does not endorse a works-based approach to salvation. It teaches that we cannot earn salvation through our actions because the standard of holiness required by God is impossible to meet through human effort alone. We are all filthy rags.

The staunch belief in faith based salvation is KEY to Christianity and it sets Christianity apart from EVERY SINGLE RELIGION. Firstly, it is the ONLY religion to guarantee salvation and secondly, it is the ONLY religion to emphasize that salvation is only by the grace of God. It is His gift to us and something that our works have zero bearing in.

Works based religions are all fraudulent in my opinion.

Indeed. I do not have the hadith on me, but I remember reading somewhere that even if we were to prostrate a 1000 years for one major transgression committed against God, we would not deserve forgiveness. It is God who is Most Merciful and forgives our transgressions.


24:5
إِلَّا ٱلَّذِينَ تَابُوا۟ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ذَٰلِكَ وَأَصْلَحُوا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌۭ رَّحِيمٌۭ ٥

except those who repent afterwards and mend their ways, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

it is the ONLY religion to guarantee salvation

i have my doubts

it is the ONLY religion to emphasize that salvation is only by the grace of God

nope.

“Even if you stand for prayers like a tent peg planted on the ground and keep fasting till you resemble a dried stick and stoop like a bow, Allah will not accept any of your deeds till you have the piety to guard against the evil deeds.”

 

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Indeed. I do not have the hadith on me, but I remember reading somewhere that even if we were to prostrate a 1000 years for one major transgression committed against God, we would not deserve forgiveness. It is God who is Most Merciful and forgives our transgressions.


24:5
إِلَّا ٱلَّذِينَ تَابُوا۟ مِنۢ بَعْدِ ذَٰلِكَ وَأَصْلَحُوا۟ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌۭ رَّحِيمٌۭ ٥

except those who repent afterwards and mend their ways, then surely Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran


i have my doubts


nope.

“Even if you stand for prayers like a tent peg planted on the ground and keep fasting till you resemble a dried stick and stoop like a bow, Allah will not accept any of your deeds till you have the piety to guard against the evil deeds.”

By the grace of God through faith in Jesus Christ. By grace, through faith. So not only is Islam a works based religion but you literally do not have a guarantee of salvation. This is incomprehensible to me. On that grounds alone, I would never convert to Islam or any religion in which I never know if I’m saved or not and just have to hope for the best when the time comes.

In Christianity, I know the exact day that I was saved. I know the exact day that I accepted Jesus into my heart and confessed that He is our Lord and Savior. That day is the day that I secured my salvation.

I would truly be terribly weary of any faith that includes following a god that is as cold and disinterested in his creation lest he reassures them of salvation.

In Christianity, the work of Jesus Christ on our behalf, whereby he purchases and ransoms us—at the price of his own life—securing our deliverance from the bondage and condemnation of sin and offered eternal life.

 

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@RAMU KAKA lessgo

 

[RAMU KAKA]

@RAMU KAKA lessgo

@Eternal_ is a little cuck who runs away when something wrong from his scriptures is shown

 

[Deleted member 60882]

@Eternal_ is a little cuck who runs away when something wrong from his scriptures is shown

Is he ricebag too?

 

[Deleted member 51576]

@Eternal_ is a little cuck who runs away when something wrong from his scriptures is shown

LOL. Cope and seethe Muslimcel. Hellfire awaits you.

 

[Psychophilly]

Christianity teaches us that we are not of this world, we are just in it temporarily. It teaches us to stray from the animalistic desires and short term pleasures that man seeks because such behavior leads to a vacuum of despair. It teaches us that we are fundamentally broken and need a savior—whose name is Jesus Christ, and we cannot work our way to heaven—of which is not an eternal night club.

yeah christinaty uses a different method of luring which is making you feel guilty and then reward you with fake forgiveness.

 

[RAMU KAKA]

LOL. Cope and seethe Muslimcel. Hellfire awaits you.

We'll see about that you christ cuck

Keep worshipping a man and idols

 

[Deleted member 51576]

We'll see about that you christ cuck

Keep worshipping a man and idols

It’s over my nigga

 

[Deleted member 51576]

yeah christinaty uses a different method of luring which is making you feel guilty and then reward you with fake forgivenes

..Huh?