İt is possible to have recessed infraorbital despite having a decent forward maxilla?

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I have a decent forward growth maxilla with forward grown zygos/cheekbones yet i still have a shitty undereye support (recessed infraorbitals)

Is that even possible?
 
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Boxingfan said:
Title.
I have a decent forward growth maxilla with forward grown zygos/cheekbones yet i still have a shitty undereye support (recessed infraorbitals)

Is that even possible?
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post pics. maybe you just lack soft tissue under eyes
 
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My cheekbones and zygomatic arches improved after hard mewing yet my eyes remained poorly supported.

Not sure about the maxilla.
 
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Boxingfan said:
Title.
I have a decent forward growth maxilla with forward grown zygos/cheekbones yet i still have a shitty undereye support (recessed infraorbitals)

Is that even possible?
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Yes, me,i have good infraorbitals but no fat in the underyes,but still my infraorbitals are good enough that they partially compensate for it.

I did bonesmashing
 
Yes completely possible, and common.

Some people have a recessed upper maxilla but normal lower maxilla. It is something most bimax surgeons have no solution for because they cannot advance the upper maxilla if the lower maxilla has been advanced to the correct position, or is already in the correct position.

Eppley has done ones that include both infraorbital and paranasal projection;

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valhalar said:
Yes completely possible, and common.

Some people have a recessed upper maxilla but normal lower maxilla. It is something most bimax surgeons have no solution for because they cannot advance the upper maxilla if the lower maxilla has been advanced to the correct position, or is already in the correct position.

Eppley has done ones that include both infraorbital and paranasal projection;

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And this implant will only cost the price of a bimax.
 
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valhalar said:
Yes completely possible, and common.

Some people have a recessed upper maxilla but normal lower maxilla. It is something most bimax surgeons have no solution for because they cannot advance the upper maxilla if the lower maxilla has been advanced to the correct position, or is already in the correct position.

Eppley has done ones that include both infraorbital and paranasal projection;

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This is actually quite common in modern orthodontic patients (last 15ish years) who wore decent fixed braces. Mandible and the lower region of maxilla seem to grow forward fine, they even grow laterally quite fine, but the upper region of maxilla just doesn't have that pop. You only get that with proper tongue posture and good swallowing patterns since DAY ONE. I swear to god I can tell immediately when I see a one or two year old child if they'll be recessed or not in the future.
 
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look at gandy
 
Tom Jones said:
post pics. maybe you just lack soft tissue under eyes
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This. I have probably slightly recessed orbitals (no failo, a tiny bit under eye hollowness/darkness looks better than perfect plump skin there imo. Makes your face more interesting.)
But since I lost collagen/fat there due to stress, it‘s worse and looks bad .
 
valhalar said:
Yes completely possible, and common.

Some people have a recessed upper maxilla but normal lower maxilla. It is something most bimax surgeons have no solution for because they cannot advance the upper maxilla if the lower maxilla has been advanced to the correct position, or is already in the correct position.

Eppley has done ones that include both infraorbital and paranasal projection;

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Yeah, I've got the exact same problem.

Perfect dento-facial growth (never got any braces or such shit), but recessed upper maxilla which causes lack of under eye support and forward projecting zygos.

Pretty sure tongue posture plays a great role in that.

Don't really no of any procedures to fix it. Maybe someone who has tried mewing can explain if it provides some improvement?
 
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linkcel said:
This is actually quite common in modern orthodontic patients (last 15ish years) who wore decent fixed braces. Mandible and the lower region of maxilla seem to grow forward fine, they even grow laterally quite fine, but the upper region of maxilla just doesn't have that pop. You only get that with proper tongue posture and good swallowing patterns since DAY ONE. I swear to god I can tell immediately when I see a one or two year old child if they'll be recessed or not in the future.
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i have bad lower but good upper maxilla :forcedsmile::forcedsmile::forcedsmile:
 
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AlexanderTheGreat said:
Yeah, I've got the exact same problem.

Perfect dento-facial growth (never got any braces or such shit), but recessed upper maxilla which causes lack of under eye support and forward projecting zygos.

Pretty sure tongue posture plays a great role in that.

Don't really no of any procedures to fix it. Maybe someone who has tried mewing can explain if it provides some improvement?
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don't know man

i have bad lower but good upper maxilla.

i didn't have a tongue posture or anything tbh
 
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Walter said:
don't know man

i have bad lower but good upper maxilla.

i didn't have a tongue posture or anything tbh
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Maybe you just had a normal posture throughout life and didn't realize.

I definitely had a bad mouthbreathing posture (again nobody knows what comes first: the bad posture, or the craniofacial growth which then causes the mouthbreathing)

I have a pretty big tongue (not that witch-like long, just big) so pretty sure that's what caused my dental area growth (it barely fits in my mouth even now).
 
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Walter said:
don't know man

i have bad lower but good upper maxilla.

i didn't have a tongue posture or anything tbh
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Doubt it, I've never seen that combo before. It makes no sense that the upper maxilla would stay up and forward while lower maxilla drops down. Actually it's impossible if you think about it
 
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look man.

no bags under eyes nothing
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HAHAHAH bro are you fucking kidding me :lul::lul::lul: is this a joke?
breh u got 0 undereye support, your head is tilted up, your nose is hooked, you have every telltale sign of maxillary recession. It's not the worse of course, and you have great chin projection so that's a saving point. But you ain't got that undereye support, don't feel bad tho it's like a 1/100000 trait, very rare
 
Boxingfan said:
Title.
I have a decent forward growth maxilla with forward grown zygos/cheekbones yet i still have a shitty undereye support (recessed infraorbitals)

Is that even possible?
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Under certain light there is some hollowness under my eye but I have decent orbits

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But usually looks better supported. That is all soft tissue. Very underrated

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linkcel said:
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Doubt it, I've never seen that combo before. It makes no sense that the upper maxilla would stay up and forward while lower maxilla drops down. Actually it's impossible if you think about it
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No, it's possible.
And I think a good indicator of thisbwould be if you have nasolabial folds even at low bf.
 
linkcel said:
HAHAHAH bro are you fucking kidding me :lul::lul::lul: is this a joke?
breh u got 0 undereye support, your head is tilted up, your nose is hooked, you have every telltale sign of maxillary recession. It's not the worse of course, and you have great chin projection so that's a saving point. But you ain't got that undereye support, don't feel bad tho it's like a 1/100000 trait, very rare
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linkcel said:
This is actually quite common in modern orthodontic patients (last 15ish years) who wore decent fixed braces. Mandible and the lower region of maxilla seem to grow forward fine, they even grow laterally quite fine, but the upper region of maxilla just doesn't have that pop. You only get that with proper tongue posture and good swallowing patterns since DAY ONE. I swear to god I can tell immediately when I see a one or two year old child if they'll be recessed or not in the future.
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I have baby pictures of me at like a year old with hollow eyes. what is that called?
 
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