Italian Jaw Journey (GTFIH) - Bimax + CCW + Expansion + Infras | Planning with Ramieri/Pagnoni/Raffaini

[monk321]

How does one do their own research properly when there are hundreds of surgeons in europe alone? Like I'd still be following what people say and their opinions on reddit/facebook/ some kind of other social platform, and I'd be basing myself ONLY off of their experience. Like this is exactly what I'm trying to do right now but it's not easy bro.
Even if I were to find some good surgeon with good results I'd need to pay for the consult, go to that country, if it ain't good then rinse and repeat. Is this the type of "research" I should do?

You just need online consultation

 

[HenryLang182]

Oh hell no what the fuck

25 fucking k now are we serious??

Ram is has increased to 25k but has genio, for that price im going with Dr Ekber (Germany) for the same.

Also he let's you be involved on the planning.

 

[Lookologist003]

ur a bit more downgrown

'Downswung' if you care for the difference.

Downswung and Downgrown: The Difference Matters

A downswung mandible is when the mandibular plane angle (MPA) is steeply downslanted and the difference between the MPA and the occlusal plane angle (OPA) is small. In other words, both the jawline and the occlusal plane are nearly equally downslanting. The lower jaw appears “swung” down. A...

looksmax.org

Not only this; but my friend who is an Italian dental student, interned for him and he was asked to use AI to make the pics look impressive saying how it’s not cheating and how he can actually achieve thet

Juicy. Damn. I thought it was just looksmaxxing course scammers that were using AI like that.

 

[kuromilover]

'Downswung' if you care for the difference.

Downswung and Downgrown: The Difference Matters

A downswung mandible is when the mandibular plane angle (MPA) is steeply downslanted and the difference between the MPA and the occlusal plane angle (OPA) is small. In other words, both the jawline and the occlusal plane are nearly equally downslanting. The lower jaw appears “swung” down. A...

looksmax.org

Juicy. Damn. I thought it was just looksmaxxing course scammers that were using AI like that.

yep, thanks for the clarification

 

[kuromilover]

im going with Dr Ekber (Germany) for the same.

where are you from?

 

[Brava]

How much is it gonna cost ?

 

[kuromilover]

How much is it gonna cost ?

i honestly don't know, it depends on what path i choose to follow (trimax and then implants or both together), which surgeon/s I'll go with and if I'm gonna get custom MARPE. It def won't cost less than 30k

 

[HenryLang182]

i honestly don't know, it depends on what path i choose to follow (trimax and then implants or both together), which surgeon/s I'll go with and if I'm gonna get custom MARPE. It def won't cost less than 30k

How can it cost you all less than 30k How you do it?

 

[HenryLang182]

Ram is has increased to 25k but has genio, for that price im going with Dr Ekber (Germany) for the same.

Also he let's you be involved on the planning.

Actually that's just bimax without chin and without hospital fees, it could be 35k to 40k with Ebker.

Sorry my bad.

Now thinking to go with zarrinbal also in Germany

 

[kuromilover]

How can it cost you all less than 30k How you do it?

i mean if i just got trimax and marpe first w/o implants it'd cost less than 30 with ramieri, I believe he charges italians about 18-20k for trimax and a custom marpe will cost from 6 to 10k

 

[HenryLang182]

where are you from?

i mean if i just got trimax and marpe first w/o implants it'd cost less than 30 with ramieri, I believe he charges italians about 18-20k for trimax and a custom marpe will cost from 6 to 10k

I talked with him 2 weeks ago and said that bimax was 25k and chin 10k, im not italian maybe thats the reason.

Marpe i heard 4 or 5k so that's better.

Do you know Dr Grybauskas? i heard about him but dont know much, im considering going with him.

 

[HenryLang182]

where are you from?

Slovakia

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

Drs. Lorenzo Trevisiol and Antonio D'Agostino. It was not an endorsement, rather options to be explored. Maybe through the Italian-speaking Facebook group you're most likely aware of. Although you don't seem to be short on money, pricing would of course be much more reasonable than with the usual trio.

Ima write in italian

Correzione di difetti ossei osteotomici conseguenti a significativi avanzamenti mandibolari

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Questi, come tanti altri, sono chirurghi clinicamente certamenti validi.
Il problema è che questa gente ha ZERO studio dell'estetica che noi conosciamo!
Perfino il famoso trio NON comprende la PSL o comunque non usa i suoi ratio perchè semplicemente non li studia, non esiste letteratura didattica a riguardo.. loro studiano barcelona line, arnett proportion ecc...
In breve, i pro sono che spendi poco e hai comunque qualità clinica. Se guardi il case study che ho allegato si vede una meravigliosa ricrescita ossea che trevisiol ha ottenuto con le pratiche che puoi leggere lì elencate.

Ahimè, si vede anche i riferimenti che ha usato per quanto riguarda la resa estetica... si poteva fare di meglio (seppur vero che questo caso specifico parte da cranio subumano).

Dunque il trio famoso ha ESPERIENZA con persone che come noi sanno più o meno cosa ti rende umano e cosa subumano.
Anche se in cuor loro non sono hanno consapevolezza blackpill, comunque non possono ignorare completamente ciò che gli viene chiesto. Alla lunga un professionista si adatta e impara a soddisfare nel miglior modo, secondo lui, i pazienti.

Bisogna capire che i normies vanno da sta gente per problemi molto gravi, diagnosi tardive spesso perchè siamo indietro da questo punto di vista è pieno di gente che vive la propria vita con cranio completamente subumano. Sti poveracci sono talmente ignoranti che manco sanno che cazzo sia un bimax. Se dopo la surgery gli chiedi di che ti sei operato loro ti sanno solo dire che avevano vie aeree strette/apnee notture gravi e il dottore ha fatto una chirurgia per aggiustarle... That's it. Imo 90% ogìf their patients il like that.

Ramieri e gli altri due sanno benissimo del forum e dalla bp. Questo è quanto, per noi hardmaxxer seri è un vantaggio non da poco.

Immagina andare da Trevisiol, ed essere il primo (o uno dei pochissimi) che gli deve comunicare in qualche modo che non vuoi essere recesso e che ci sono certe proporzioni che andrebbero a renderti più attrante.. Vagli a dire che, secondo te, il suo planning ti lascia la maxilla recessa ecc...
Una bella rogna! Anche fossi nt as fuck faresti fatica a non farti guardare storto...

Comunque i gruppi facebook ci ho dato un'occhiata e sono abbastanza inutili.
Ho trovato gente messa malissimo clinicamente che chiedeva consigli su da chi farsi operare per salvarli da problemi gravi.
Nessuno che menzionassa L'ESTETICA. Tutta gente walled. Ho trovato chat di donne middle aged che parlavano di genio plastica...
Insomma questo ho trovato, per ora

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

ask the right questions and before and after

Could you kindly suggest us what those questions would be, in your opinion?
At least help us understand how to get the best out from this consultations.
That makes sense, to invest in those.

 

[vma]

What many people don't tell people is if you have very thick skin implants have a higher chance of making your face puffy looking and uncanny or fat looking and in this case you would be limited to a very conservative design

What if your skin is on the thinner side? I heard implants show more on patients with thin soft tissue especially if they get bigger implants which I assume is what I need.

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

What if your skin is on the thinner side? I heard implants show more on patients with thin soft tissue especially if they get bigger implants which I assume is what I need.

Then you are a better candidate

 

[vma]

Then you are a better candidate

wouldn’t that make you more prone to dehiscence?