Italian Jaw Journey (GTFIH) - Bimax + CCW + Expansion + Infras | Planning with Ramieri/Pagnoni/Raffaini

[kuromilover]

'Downswung' if you care for the difference.

Downswung and Downgrown: The Difference Matters

A downswung mandible is when the mandibular plane angle (MPA) is steeply downslanted and the difference between the MPA and the occlusal plane angle (OPA) is small. In other words, both the jawline and the occlusal plane are nearly equally downslanting. The lower jaw appears “swung” down. A...

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Juicy. Damn. I thought it was just looksmaxxing course scammers that were using AI like that.

yep, thanks for the clarification

 

[kuromilover]

im going with Dr Ekber (Germany) for the same.

where are you from?

 

[Brava]

How much is it gonna cost ?

 

[kuromilover]

How much is it gonna cost ?

i honestly don't know, it depends on what path i choose to follow (trimax and then implants or both together), which surgeon/s I'll go with and if I'm gonna get custom MARPE. It def won't cost less than 30k

 

[HenryLang182]

i honestly don't know, it depends on what path i choose to follow (trimax and then implants or both together), which surgeon/s I'll go with and if I'm gonna get custom MARPE. It def won't cost less than 30k

How can it cost you all less than 30k How you do it?

 

[HenryLang182]

Ram is has increased to 25k but has genio, for that price im going with Dr Ekber (Germany) for the same.

Also he let's you be involved on the planning.

Actually that's just bimax without chin and without hospital fees, it could be 35k to 40k with Ebker.

Sorry my bad.

Now thinking to go with zarrinbal also in Germany

 

[kuromilover]

How can it cost you all less than 30k How you do it?

i mean if i just got trimax and marpe first w/o implants it'd cost less than 30 with ramieri, I believe he charges italians about 18-20k for trimax and a custom marpe will cost from 6 to 10k

 

[HenryLang182]

where are you from?

i mean if i just got trimax and marpe first w/o implants it'd cost less than 30 with ramieri, I believe he charges italians about 18-20k for trimax and a custom marpe will cost from 6 to 10k

I talked with him 2 weeks ago and said that bimax was 25k and chin 10k, im not italian maybe thats the reason.

Marpe i heard 4 or 5k so that's better.

Do you know Dr Grybauskas? i heard about him but dont know much, im considering going with him.

 

[HenryLang182]

where are you from?

Slovakia

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

Drs. Lorenzo Trevisiol and Antonio D'Agostino. It was not an endorsement, rather options to be explored. Maybe through the Italian-speaking Facebook group you're most likely aware of. Although you don't seem to be short on money, pricing would of course be much more reasonable than with the usual trio.

Ima write in italian

Correzione di difetti ossei osteotomici conseguenti a significativi avanzamenti mandibolari

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Questi, come tanti altri, sono chirurghi clinicamente certamenti validi.
Il problema è che questa gente ha ZERO studio dell'estetica che noi conosciamo!
Perfino il famoso trio NON comprende la PSL o comunque non usa i suoi ratio perchè semplicemente non li studia, non esiste letteratura didattica a riguardo.. loro studiano barcelona line, arnett proportion ecc...
In breve, i pro sono che spendi poco e hai comunque qualità clinica. Se guardi il case study che ho allegato si vede una meravigliosa ricrescita ossea che trevisiol ha ottenuto con le pratiche che puoi leggere lì elencate.

Ahimè, si vede anche i riferimenti che ha usato per quanto riguarda la resa estetica... si poteva fare di meglio (seppur vero che questo caso specifico parte da cranio subumano).

Dunque il trio famoso ha ESPERIENZA con persone che come noi sanno più o meno cosa ti rende umano e cosa subumano.
Anche se in cuor loro non sono hanno consapevolezza blackpill, comunque non possono ignorare completamente ciò che gli viene chiesto. Alla lunga un professionista si adatta e impara a soddisfare nel miglior modo, secondo lui, i pazienti.

Bisogna capire che i normies vanno da sta gente per problemi molto gravi, diagnosi tardive spesso perchè siamo indietro da questo punto di vista è pieno di gente che vive la propria vita con cranio completamente subumano. Sti poveracci sono talmente ignoranti che manco sanno che cazzo sia un bimax. Se dopo la surgery gli chiedi di che ti sei operato loro ti sanno solo dire che avevano vie aeree strette/apnee notture gravi e il dottore ha fatto una chirurgia per aggiustarle... That's it. Imo 90% ogìf their patients il like that.

Ramieri e gli altri due sanno benissimo del forum e dalla bp. Questo è quanto, per noi hardmaxxer seri è un vantaggio non da poco.

Immagina andare da Trevisiol, ed essere il primo (o uno dei pochissimi) che gli deve comunicare in qualche modo che non vuoi essere recesso e che ci sono certe proporzioni che andrebbero a renderti più attrante.. Vagli a dire che, secondo te, il suo planning ti lascia la maxilla recessa ecc...
Una bella rogna! Anche fossi nt as fuck faresti fatica a non farti guardare storto...

Comunque i gruppi facebook ci ho dato un'occhiata e sono abbastanza inutili.
Ho trovato gente messa malissimo clinicamente che chiedeva consigli su da chi farsi operare per salvarli da problemi gravi.
Nessuno che menzionassa L'ESTETICA. Tutta gente walled. Ho trovato chat di donne middle aged che parlavano di genio plastica...
Insomma questo ho trovato, per ora

 

[ScientiaAeterna]

ask the right questions and before and after

Could you kindly suggest us what those questions would be, in your opinion?
At least help us understand how to get the best out from this consultations.
That makes sense, to invest in those.

 

[vma]

What many people don't tell people is if you have very thick skin implants have a higher chance of making your face puffy looking and uncanny or fat looking and in this case you would be limited to a very conservative design

What if your skin is on the thinner side? I heard implants show more on patients with thin soft tissue especially if they get bigger implants which I assume is what I need.

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

What if your skin is on the thinner side? I heard implants show more on patients with thin soft tissue especially if they get bigger implants which I assume is what I need.

Then you are a better candidate

 

[vma]

Then you are a better candidate

wouldn’t that make you more prone to dehiscence?

 

[retardnigga]

Ramieri has his Implate technique which means his implants are part of the custom BSSO Plate of your bimax if you get implants trough his Implate technique but he only does them in titanium (it's not the same as placing implants normally and he claims the infection risk is less) but Ramieri is less Blackpilled than Pagnoni and is not as good as Pagnoni and Raffaini when it comes to Genioplasty and will try to dodge doing a genioplasty if you don't have a bad Base

Also Pagnoni is very honest, takes you seriously, not judgy and explains as much as you want and tries to tell you the truth about what can ascend you (in his opinion)
Pagnoni is more blackpilled and will do bigger movements than Ramieri but costs a lot more than Ramieri (not gonna mention prices here so they don't hike up even more)
He has an amazing Genio but he recently had some botches last
(and this year I believe but not sure)
He is a better implant placer and mor knowledgeable about implants than Ramieri though which matters less than one thinks cause Ramieri isn't gonna make riksy movements like that and will be playing it safe like you will look better than after but (maybe) not ascended of you need a lot but if you need very minimal improvement and have. (very) good base he is probably one of the better options also price wise he is the cheapest out of them all and also pretty fair since he has empathy for his patients when it comes to revision and would try to fix your problem

Raffaini costs almost double as what Pagnoni is charging for bimax because of his reputation and he also does very good bone grafts which allows your bone to heal better together

That being said all of these surgeons had some botches and the unfortunate reality is there is always a chance you get botched

What many people don't tell people is if you have very thick skin implants have a higher chance of making your face puffy looking and uncanny or fat looking and in this case you would be limited to a very conservative design

Raffaini is probably the best of you can afford him purely when it comes to bimax and tied or slightly better than Pagnoni when it comes to Genioplasty but he will only do what he wants not what you tell him what you want
It will only be what he thinks is best for you
I'm not sure if he does implants BTW but his trimax price alone is double of what Ramieri charges for trimax plus full facial implants so Raffaini is almost as out of reach as sailer for the average normie and could be an option if you are very wealthy
I don't know if he is an option for implants

Ramieri is better at playing it safe and improving your looks or if you have a very good base cause complications would very unlikely arise in his case at least that is more or less a given but it still happens cause no surgeon is perfect

Of you have hyoid fat or a low hyoid bone you will need a Genioplasty and Mandible advancement for Bimax so your skin stretches and advances the bone forward into a better position

Implants are very good for people with thin skin cause then they show better

Look at the good results for Jaw angle implants it's either from people that had thin skin or from people that had a good base and conservative designs which can only help so much

Thats something I havent heard anyone mention her if you have very thick skin and a low hyoid bone you will probably need bimax aesthetically speaking

Hope that helps and also consider some of fferent surgeons if you are low on money
The Italian 3 are good depending on what you need one is better than the other but consult with many surgeons cause what if you need revisions guess what you will have to pay for them too

I would be careful with Pagnoni and Ramieri you should plan what you get with them cause Ramieri can underadvance and pagnoni can overadvance

Besides the Italian 3 what other jaw surgeons would you recommend

 

[Bullofturkishfoids]

Besides the Italian 3 what other jaw surgeons would you recommend

I won't recommend any on forum posts

The prices triple it would be bad for you and for me

Don't ask officially it's low iq