Its easier to accept that you are an incel than trying to fight it imo.

[thecel]

@thecel i am sorry to say this but transitioning will not help with your dysphoria. you will always be treated like a freak in case you tranistion cause no matter how we flip it, you will not be a real woman like your inner self desires. and if you stay a male you will feel like you dont belong and like a freak on the inside.

Is this like a “pick your poison” type thing? Both choices are shitty; just gotta pick the least shitty one?

Why do you believe the 2nd option is less shitty?

 

[Deleted member 26092]

I didn’t say I have trauma. I don’t remember any trauma. Who knows, what if trauma occurred when I was too young to remember shit? It’s possible. But not very probable.

That‘s one of the most common reasons people want to troon out.
I‘m also not saying that you have it as there are few other reasons such as a hormone issue in the womb or overexposure to xenoestregens during childhood years.

The earliest trans memory I can recall happened when I was 4 or 5.

really what was it?
Perhaps you’ve perceived yourself as more feminine male.

Any blackpiller knows therapy is typically a scam and doesn’t work.

It works in some instances and can be used to treat trauma or body dysmorphia.
Yeah it won‘t do anything against the basis of the blackpill because that‘s still reality, duh.
But in treating cases of body dysmorphia or likewise things, it can be very helpful actually.
Also even if you "transition“ you will always be bound to everlasting increasing waves of "body dysmorphia" even more than the average blackpiller here has.
Probably chasing surgeries or other unnecessary procedures.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Pretty much every time this point is brought up, they don’t acknowledge that one’s brain (having a predisposition to desiring a female body and a feminine social role) is part of who they are.

Why should I accept the physical aspects of who I am yet reject the mental aspects of who I am

If you‘re born physically a male you weren‘t born with the brain of female.
If there were hormonal issues in the womb or you had a overexposure of xenostregens you may perceive yourself as more feminine and even share some same though pattern as women, but you‘re still undoubtedly male and have a male brain.

 

[Geoff2024]

Im pretty ladiesman

Still browses looksmax JFL

 

[thecel]

That‘s one of the most common reasons people want to troon out.

Evidence? And pleeaase stop saying troon out bro it gets in my nerves.

I‘m also not saying that you have it as there are few other reasons such as a hormone issue in the womb or overexposure to xenoestregens during childhood years.

Can’t do shit about it now buddy.

really what was it?
Perhaps you’ve perceived yourself as more feminine male.

Not gonna reveal in this thread but if you wanna know PM me

It works in some instances and can be used to treat trauma or body dysmorphia.
Yeah it won‘t do anything against the basis of the blackpill because that‘s still reality, duh.
But in treating cases of body dysmorphia or likewise things, it can be very helpful actually.

I have gender dysphoria without body dysmorphia.

Also even if you "transition“ you will always be bound to everlasting increasing waves of "body dysmorphia" even more than the average blackpiller here has.

Source? Inb4 “common sense bro”

Probably chasing surgeries or other unnecessary procedures.

A wraparound jaw implant is as unnecessary as facial feminization surgery. Oh but you say the jaw implant raises a man’s SMV is he can live a better life? So it has a benefit. Same deal with the FFS; the trans woman gets it to look better so people will treat her the way she wants to be treated.

 

[Geoff2024]

Is this like a “pick your poison” type thing? Both choices are shitty; just gotta pick the least shitty one?

Why do you believe the 2nd option is less shitty?

Both are shit, but the transitioning process is no easy feat

 

[thecel]

If you‘re born physically a male you weren‘t born with the brain of female.
If there were hormonal issues in the womb or you had a overexposure of xenostregens you may perceive yourself as more feminine and even share some same though pattern as women, but you‘re still undoubtedly male and have a male brain.

That’s only because your definition of a male brain is a brain that’s inside a male body. You just defined it in a way that confirms your preexisting beliefs.

Nevertheless, the male brain / female brain argument actually misses the point. It’s not the label you assign to the brain that matters; it’s what the brain prefers. Instead of focusing on the sex of the brain, we should care only about whether it’s a brain that prefers to live a female life or it’s a brain that prefers to live a male life.

 

[thecel]

Both are shit, but the transitioning process is no easy feat

Staying male is no easy feat either and gets shittier as time goes on. Unlike transition which gets better as time goes on.

 

[Geoff2024]

Staying male is no easy feat either and gets shittier as time goes on. Unlike transition which gets better as time goes on.

Bro some pull it really well, the traps sub-editor really proves it. But if shit goes bad, you will end up looking shittier.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Evidence? And pleeaase stop saying troon out bro it gets in my nerves

Gender Dysphoria

A publicly available article also appearing in PubMed about Gender Dysphoria

www.statpearls.com

Also does "trooning out" offend you or is it hurtful for you?
I‘m just using it as a slang because a majority of transitioners make themselves intentionally unlikeable and go out unpassable. (no hate to you though)
I can stop if It’s hurtful for you.

Can’t do shit about it now buddy.

Well I don‘t have the same issue as you and it may not even be comparable.
But if it helps, I had low prenatal T in the womb.
I had everything normally, even in puberty etc.
But I only grew to 5‘8-5‘9 because of it even though I have tall parents.
I also have more neotenous face and thin wrists, long thinner fingers.
I still try to make the best of myself though.
Thankfully I don‘t have things lacking in my frame and shoulder width so atleast I inherited that.

Not gonna reveal in this thread but if you wanna know PM me

Aight will do.
I bet you‘re being too harsh on yourself.

I have gender dysphoria without body dysmorphia.

body dysmorphia is to my knowledge always partially included in gender dysmorphia.
If you find yourself too masculine looking, being insecure in the lack of a female body structure such as hips, insecure about not having breasts and a vagina etc.

Source? Inb4 “common sense bro

Dysphoria vs Dysmorphia: Impact in Eating Disorder Treatment | Monte Nido

Learn the differences between body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria, their relationship to eating disorders, and how gender-inclusive treatment helps.

www.montenido.com

A wraparound jaw implant is as unnecessary as facial feminization surgery. Oh but you say the jaw implant raises a man’s SMV is he can live a better life? So it has a benefit. Same deal with the FFS; the trans woman gets it to look better so people will treat her the way she wants to be treated

both are kinda delusional.
Surgery should be only there to fix failos not create halos.
I don‘t have anything against a few small implants.
But when you approach plastic surgery it should always be done in the view that it should both improve form and function.
People who are "ugly" and undergo operations such as bimax or genioplasty often also suffered from health problems such as shortness of breath, sleep apnea or lip incompetence.
So it make sense to undergo those for example.
Also in regards to the jaw implant, the patients goal is just to look better.
Nothing more
Meanwhile the patient who wants FFS has 2 goals.
To look better.
And to pass as female.

 

[Deleted member 27751]

Its over for you

As the title states, for us subhumans, it's better to acknowledge that we are just never gonna experience the casual nt lifestyle. Some of us might get lucky but for the most part we will romantically rot and there is nothing to do about it. My base is too subhuman to ascend with and I will mostly ascend to mtn(who knows might be worth it)

bruh _ aaron mateo

 

[Geoff2024]

Its over for you

bruh _ aaron mateo

I would rather be me than having Indian pheno. _Geoff2024

 

[Deleted member 27751]

Its over for you

bruh _ aaron mateo

I would rather be a italian chad than subhuman like you - Aaron mateo

 

[thecel]

Also does "trooning out" offend you or is it hurtful for you?
I‘m just using it as a slang because a majority of transitioners make themselves intentionally unlikeable and go out unpassable. (no hate to you though)
I can stop if It’s hurtful for you.

Not anymore cus you used it so many times just fucking lol

Trans women are super likeable. Not sure about trans men bc people are mean to unmasculine men.

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body dysmorphia is to my knowledge always partially included in gender dysmorphia.
If you find yourself too masculine looking, being insecure in the lack of a female body structure such as hips, insecure about not having breasts and a vagina etc.

muh insecure. Are you blackpilled or a fuckin normie? Tell me.

Blackpillers understand that looksmaxing has nothing to do with insecurity and has everything to do with practicality. We want our lives to be different in particular ways, and we know that looking different is the key to obtaining that life.

I should’ve been more specific. You said that transitioning will make me “bound” to a high level of body dysmorphia. I want evidence that shows transition causes or exacerbates body dysmorphia. Not evidence that shows only a correlation, which is factually true.

both are kinda delusional.
Surgery should be only there to fix failos not create halos.

Hard disagree. Piece of shit tier thinking.

I don‘t have anything against a few small implants.
But when you approach plastic surgery it should always be done in the view that it should both improve form and function.
People who are "ugly" and undergo operations such as bimax or genioplasty often also suffered from health problems such as shortness of breath, sleep apnea or lip incompetence.
So it make sense to undergo those for example.

Physical function yes. What about mental function?

Also in regards to the jaw implant, the patients goal is just to look better.
Nothing more
Meanwhile the patient who wants FFS has 2 goals.
To look better.
And to pass as female.

Alright bro this part is giga important.

Looksmaxing’s goal isn’t just to look better and “nothing more”. Men want to look better to attain a variety of real-life resources and objectives:

• Attracting women to get laid and build relationships
• Have people respect you and treat you better
• Utilize looks advantage in careers and negotiations
• Dominate and intimidate other men
• Farm validation

Most of the reason why looksmaxers modify their looks is they want to achieve certain goals in life that looks greatly help for.

The trans woman wants to change her looks to pass as a cis female. This, like the male looksmaxer, is changing one’s appearance in order to reach a goal that typically involves getting others to perceive one in a particular way.

The male looksmaxer is trying to pass as someone who has better genetics. Think about it rationally. Throughout human evolution, surgery didn’t exist, and every Chad who looked like Chad must’ve had the genetics for it. When men get surgeries, they’re trying to fool the female brain into perceiving a male of superior genetic quality. This is the evolutionary circuit looksmaxers are trying to exploit. Looks are a proxy for genetic quality—which they will never have.

Both the trans woman and the male looksmaxer are passing as if they have biology or genetics that they don’t truly have.

 

[Geoff2024]

I would rather be a italian chad than subhuman like you - Aaron mateo

Italians don't have the color of shit

 

[Deleted member 27751]

Italians don't have the color of shit

Cry more subhuman

 

[LeftPegged]

Wtf is this long paragraph thread

 

[Geoff2024]

Cry more subhuman

I probably mog you shitskin I am like half a foot taller than you . Get the fuck out of here manlet

 

[Deleted member 27751]

I probably mog you shitskin I am like half a foot taller than you . Get the fuck out of here manlet

Your op here is your confidence, with that confidence you not mogging anything lol, crymore while I fuck yo future wife

 

[Geoff2024]

Your op here is your confidence, with that confidence you not mogging anything lol, crymore while I fuck yo future wife

You will scam my future wife you Indian scum, not fuck.

 

[Deleted member 27751]

You will scam my future wife you Indian scum, not fuck.

Ohh subhuman, who cried in the op is cursing me sucka..be alone and rot in yo incel world sucka

 

[Geoff2024]

Ohh subhuman, who cried in the op is cursing me sucka..be alone and rot in yo incel world sucka

Keep morphing your face shitskin

 

[Deleted member 27751]

Keep morphing your face shitskin

I feel like a god sucka

 

[Geoff2024]

I feel like a god sucka

God is not a shitskin, so I don't think so

 

[Htobrother]

Still browses looksmax JFL

yes i love my incels

 

[Deleted member 22888]

You should be as realistic as possible with yourself about where you stand then you should do wtv it takes to improve your situation in a realistic manner. being delusionalcell like many idiots here will get u nowhere in life.

 

[Geoff2024]

You should be as realistic as possible with yourself about where you stand then you should do wtv it takes to improve your situation in a realistic manner. being delusionalcell like many idiots here will get u nowhere in life.

All I need is under eye and upper eyelid fat graft+ genio and cantho and I am chilling

 

[thecel]

Looksmaxing’s goal isn’t just to look better and “nothing more”. Men want to look better to attain a variety of real-life resources and objectives:

• Attracting women to get laid and build relationships
• Have people respect you and treat you better
• Utilize looks advantage in careers and negotiations
• Dominate and intimidate other men
• Farm validation

Most of the reason why looksmaxers modify their looks is they want to achieve certain goals in life that looks greatly help for.

The trans woman wants to change her looks to pass as a cis female. This, like the male looksmaxer, is changing one’s appearance in order to reach a goal that typically involves getting others to perceive one in a particular way.

The male looksmaxer is trying to pass as someone who has better genetics. Think about it rationally. Throughout human evolution, surgery didn’t exist, and every Chad who looked like Chad must’ve had the genetics for it. When men get surgeries, they’re trying to fool the female brain into perceiving a male of superior genetic quality. This is the evolutionary circuit looksmaxers are trying to exploit. Looks are a proxy for genetic quality—which they will never have.

Both the trans woman and the male looksmaxer are passing as if they have biology or genetics that they don’t truly have.

@PerseusMandate Thots?

 

[Deleted member 26092]

Not anymore cus you used it so many times just fucking lol

Trans women are super likeable. Not sure about trans men bc people are mean to unmasculine men.

Not all trans woman.
maybe the worst one‘s are the loudest idk, but from the one‘s that want to supposedly represent the “trans" movement, I haven‘t seen much good or civilized behaviour.

muh insecure. Are you blackpilled or a fuckin normie? Tell me.

Blackpillers understand that looksmaxing has nothing to do with insecurity and has everything to do with practicality. We want our lives to be different in particular ways, and we know that looking different is the key to obtaining that life.

There are people here that will literally underrate themselves due to not looking like a model.
Sure looking bad will impact you in life, but if you‘re fucked mentally (bad thoughts and non-NT) then you will also suffer greatly socially.
Constant negative thoughts will literally excerbate themselves through looks, mimic and body language.

Hard disagree. Piece of shit tier thinking.

ever heard of the saying of “if it‘s not broken don‘t fix it"?
It should mainly be like that.
Look what happened at Amnesia if you‘re trying to create halo‘s out of thin air with plastic surgery.
At one point it‘s guaranteed you‘re going to look uncanny or overdone.

Physical function yes. What about mental function?

Depends on what do you think you can "achieve" mentally with this surgery.
And there‘s 2 extremes.

Alright bro this part is giga important.

Looksmaxing’s goal isn’t just to look better and “nothing more”. Men want to look better to attain a variety of real-life resources and objectives:

• Attracting women to get laid and build relationships
• Have people respect you and treat you better
• Utilize looks advantage in careers and negotiations
• Dominate and intimidate other men
• Farm validation

That‘s true I won‘t deny that.
I should‘ve added that to my comment back then because that‘s also what I‘ve kinda meant.

Most of the reason why looksmaxers modify their looks is they want to achieve certain goals in life that looks greatly help for.

Also true.
But looks alone should be used as mere reason why you‘ve reached these goals.
Sure they will help much.
But if you rely on looks for goals (even romantical one‘s) you will shot yourself in the foot.

The trans woman wants to change her looks to pass as a cis female. This, like the male looksmaxer, is changing one’s appearance in order to reach a goal that typically involves getting others to perceive one in a particular way

Argh… you still don‘t get it.
But fine if you want to think like that.
The male is still changing something what could make a big change in how other perceive him, but in no case should he let this procedure be a change in his identity and who "he" really "is".
In essentially simpleton logic it‘s just: Look good= be treated good
He‘ll just be a better looking version of himself.
Like he Upgraded aesthetically nothing more.
This can also give a confidence boost I won‘t deny that.
Meanwhile that "trans woman" aka man does this to fraud her or his entire identity.
male skulls are very different from female skulls.
for example frontal bossing, browridge placement, female‘s having higher cheekbones due to estrogen…

The male looksmaxer is trying to pass as someone who has better genetics. Think about it rationally. Throughout human evolution, surgery didn’t exist, and every Chad who looked like Chad must’ve had the genetics for it. When men get surgeries, they’re trying to fool the female brain into perceiving a male of superior genetic quality. This is the evolutionary circuit looksmaxers are trying to exploit. Looks are a proxy for genetic quality—which they will never have.

not gonna argue abt that.
But there‘s other ways than looks in how you‘re going to get perceived as "good mate“ by women.
I may have talked so gibberish in my previous posts.
But still.
Genetic quality doesn’t just lay in looks.
Intelligence, high impulse control, emotional durability and high neurotypicality could also be signs of "good genes“ but they don‘t get chosen as much because most women‘s brains and attraction are still stuck in Stone Age and in constant awe of potential predators or high child mortality.

Both the trans woman and the male looksmaxer are passing as if they have biology or genetics that they don’t truly have

Yeah but for different reasons.
The one tries to fraud a part of his looks to be treated better.
Meanwhile the other one also tries to fraud of her looks but to look better and treated simultaneously.
But that only succeeds if they can fraud their whole identity and erase any aesthetical hints of whom they were before (male facial attributes)

 

[thecel]

Not all trans woman.
maybe the worst one‘s are the loudest idk, but from the one‘s that want to supposedly represent the “trans" movement, I haven‘t seen much good or civilized behaviour.

I agree. Tho I think most trans people want to keep a low profile. For every “it’s ma’am!”-maxer out there, there’re hundreds, if not thousands, of trans people who try their best to go stealth and blend in with society.

There are people here that will literally underrate themselves due to not looking like a model.
Sure looking bad will impact you in life, but if you‘re fucked mentally (bad thoughts and non-NT) then you will also suffer greatly socially.
Constant negative thoughts will literally excerbate themselves through looks, mimic and body language.

Legit.

ever heard of the saying of “if it‘s not broken don‘t fix it"?
It should mainly be like that.

Platitudes like this are dogshit. Literally the only thing that matters is simply the net gain. Benefits minus costs. If improving something creates a benefit that outweighs the effort, the improvement shall be done. Otherwise it’s not worth it. Juice ain’t worth da skweez.

Look what happened at Amnesia if you‘re trying to create halo‘s out of thin air with plastic surgery.
At one point it‘s guaranteed you‘re going to look uncanny or overdone.

What happened to @Amnesia? Did he get more surgeries? The last time I saw him, he looked great.

Depends on what do you think you can "achieve" mentally with this surgery.
And there‘s 2 extremes.

I’ll be happier because I’ll get to do more things that I enjoy, I’ll get to interact with people (especially women) in the way that I want, and I’ll feel more comfortable in my body.

That‘s true I won‘t deny that.
I should‘ve added that to my comment back then because that‘s also what I‘ve kinda meant.

Also true.
But looks alone should be used as mere reason why you‘ve reached these goals.
Sure they will help much.
But if you rely on looks for goals (even romantical one‘s) you will shot yourself in the foot.

True. You can’t rely on looks alone, but you do need looks to get your foot in the door. If you have just looks and nothing else, you’ll fail (except in some industries); but, if you have everything except looks, you’ll fail too.

If I try to “be myself” in my current physical form, it’ll lead to bad outcomes because I need to have the right looks (i.e. looking female) in order to be treated as a woman, instead of a effeminite pussy soyboy weakcuck man.

Argh… you still don‘t get it.
But fine if you want to think like that.
The male is still changing something what could make a big change in how other perceive him, but in no case should he let this procedure be a change in his identity and who "he" really "is".

Really? Is being an incel, a virgin, a rotter not a huge part of the self-identities of most blackpill forum members? You can’t seriously believe that someone being stuck in utter misery, having zero pussy for 20+ years, does not become integrated into their identity. It’s abundantly clear from observing the way incels describe themselves as distinct from normies (normies are X, normies are Y, I’m not a normie, etc.) they identify with their life situations. When they transform to HTN, Chadlite, Chad, the former basement dwellers’ identities undergo dramatic shifts. They then would identify with the NT normie lifestyle. Their identities would be Chads (not completely though, since they still have their incel pasts, which too applies to trans identities).

Additionally, many trans people say that their identities have always been of the gender they transition to. Transition enables them to freely express their true identities, as opposed to than suppress them and act the way society demands them to.

In essentially simpleton logic it‘s just: Look good= be treated good
He‘ll just be a better looking version of himself.
Like he Upgraded aesthetically nothing more.
This can also give a confidence boost I won‘t deny that.
Meanwhile that "trans woman" aka man does this to fraud her or his entire identity.
male skulls are very different from female skulls.

Incel skulls are very different from Chad skulls. How isn’t it frauding your entire identity to fraud your way into a totally different biological role? In prehistoric times, a 5'5" manlet with low T and a recessed maxilla (small airway) would not survive. You’re basically tricking the human species into believing you not only are built for survival but also carry high-quality genes that’d result in mogger offspring. Survival and reproduction is the foundation of every animal species, and you’re frauding your way into it.

As if the guy on the right wouldn’t be frauding his whole identity if he surgerymaxed to the guy on the left. These 2 organisms would’ve had completely different biological outcomes throughout human history.

for example frontal bossing, browridge placement, female‘s having higher cheekbones due to estrogen…

And they can change it with surgery.

The frontal bossing, brow ridge, cheekbones, etc. are all typical traits that get altered in facial feminization surgeries.

not gonna argue abt that.
But there‘s other ways than looks in how you‘re going to get perceived as "good mate“ by women.
I may have talked so gibberish in my previous posts.
But still.
Genetic quality doesn’t just lay in looks.
Intelligence, high impulse control, emotional durability and high neurotypicality could also be signs of "good genes“ but they don‘t get chosen as much because most women‘s brains and attraction are still stuck in Stone Age and in constant awe of potential predators or high child mortality.

Legit.

Yeah but for different reasons.
The one tries to fraud a part of his looks to be treated better.
Meanwhile the other one also tries to fraud of her looks but to look better and treated simultaneously.
But that only succeeds if they can fraud their whole identity and erase any aesthetical hints of whom they were before (male facial attributes)

Similar deal with looksmaxing. It only succeeds if they can erase any aesthetics hints of having had surgery. If you go overboard or get bad procedure selection, your face will look clearly surgically altered. You want your surgeries to look as if you’ve never had any surgeries.

 

[Deleted member 26092]

I agree. Tho I think most trans people want to keep a low profile. For every “it’s ma’am!”-maxer out there, there’re hundreds, if not thousands, of trans people who try their best to go stealth and blend in with society.

Legit.

Platitudes like this are dogshit. Literally the only thing that matters is simply the net gain. Benefits minus costs. If improving something creates a benefit that outweighs the effort, the improvement shall be done. Otherwise it’s not worth it. Juice ain’t worth da skweez.

I‘m saying this mostly out of the risk of looking overdone, botched or risking harmony or health for this.

What happened to @

@Amnesia? Did he get more surgeries? The last time I saw him, he looked great.

I don‘t know but a in a few thread I saw people talking how he got another few surgeries and how he‘ll risk getting or is alread at risk of looking uncanny.

I’ll be happier because I’ll get to do more things that I enjoy, I’ll get to interact with people (especially women) in the way that I want, and I’ll feel more comfortable in my body

Uh. Then whatever floats your boat.
But remember this disconnect of what you think is between your mind and body won‘t get fixed through that.
Sooner or later you‘ll come to terms with it.
Also you can still interact with men your age and other people besides young women.
Still I look ugly af and am recessed but people (more men) tend to value me for my skills, hobbies and interests.
Making male friends shouldn‘t be hard.
Even incels on .is have male friends.

True. You can’t rely on looks alone, but you do need looks to get your foot in the door. If you have just looks and nothing else, you’ll fail (except in some industries); but, if you have everything except looks, you’ll fail too.

If I try to “be myself” in my current physical form, it’ll lead to bad outcomes because I need to have the right looks (i.e. looking female) in order to be treated as a woman, instead of a effeminite pussy soyboy weakcuck man

yeah but that‘s just because your goal is wanting to be and be treated as a woman.
If you‘d be yourself into staying true as a male then you would also do better.
Also don‘t demean yourself life that.
Even if you don‘t mean it like that or just use these adjectives as an example you‘ll unknown hurt yourself mentally.

Really? Is being an incel, a virgin, a rotter not a huge part of the self-identities of most blackpill forum members? You can’t seriously believe that someone being stuck in utter misery, having zero pussy for 20+ years, does not become integrated into their identity. It’s abundantly clear from observing the way incels describe themselves as distinct from normies (normies are X, normies are Y, I’m not a normie, etc.) they identify with their life situations. When they transform to HTN, Chadlite, Chad, the former basement dwellers’ identities undergo dramatic shifts. They then would identify with the NT normie lifestyle. Their identities would be Chads (not completely though, since they still have their incel pasts, which too applies to trans identities

There‘s enough volcels on here that would ascend through softmaxxing and laying off their primordial hate for women.
Even if may be partially justified.
Also “Chad" is something made up. Or better yet it‘s just a country.
Physically the “Chad" archetype may exist.
But mentally even those “Chads" have a weakpoint or insecurities that can shatter their looksbased confidence.
Even if just spewed out by incel, those insecurities could "break" or atleast mentally "shake" those men.

Incel skulls are very different from Chad skulls. How isn’t it frauding your entire identity to fraud your way into a totally different biological role? In prehistoric times, a 5'5" manlet with low T and a recessed maxilla (small airway) would not survive. You’re basically tricking the human species into believing you not only are built for survival but also carry high-quality genes that’d result in mogger offspring. Survival and reproduction is the foundation of every animal species, and you’re frauding your way into it.

most of those incel skulls or chad skulls, even cranofacial differences between the So-called incels and so-called chads (caging at Ozell Israelite writing style) can be explained through modern artificial changes.
While it may be true that genes also play a role in this, stuff such as modern human diet (soft), mouthbreathing, allergy, dropping t levels, allergies, modern jewed camouflage orthodontics, extractions, hormonal issues, low prenatal t, injuries and malnutrition could all also be a cause of stunted cranofacial growth or even lack of bone maturation in general.
And remember human jaws have been shrinking since centuries, most modern humans don‘t even fully grow out their wisdom teeth anymore but have to get them removed or just never notice them at all.
What appoints that our sedentary lifestyle changes in the last decades didn‘t just affect our jaw‘s but also our bodies?
Some get affected more than other‘s.
it‘s not just simple genetics "muh Chad genetics" "muh incels genetics" and that’s it.
That‘s unironically in your case a feminine way of reasoning.
Also if it hypothetically would be all genetical, how do you explain these men reproducing?
I see many recessed men for (whom it would over according to this forum) with wife‘s and families because they have other attributes or good genetics, just not in the facial terms.
Because a development issue or something different stunted it.

And they can change it with surgery.

The frontal bossing, brow ridge, cheekbones, etc. are all typical traits that get altered in facial feminization surgeries.

they can try to change it and try to imitate those facial characteristics of a Woman.
If it successful (aesthetically wise) and harmonious after is a different question.

Legit.

Similar deal with looksmaxing. It only succeeds if they can erase any aesthetics hints of having had surgery. If you go overboard or get bad procedure selection, your face will look clearly surgically altered. You want your surgeries to look as if you’ve never had any surgeries.

Well they can try.
But next to a real women you‘ll still be not as passable, if you analyze it.